Hi Alec,I haven't an answer... but was the letter "s" in those times sometimes written similar to a looped "f"? regards, Kevin, Co Cork > > Hi! > > I have peroblem with a will of 1750. There is a reference to a street in > Presteigne. The word 'Street' is clear enough but the actual name is > unclear. It is short, probably four letters. The only possible on the web > Multimap is 'High Street'. However the last letter has a curved descender > and so is 'g' or less probably 'y'. The penultimate letter is a small > circle and so 'a', 'e' or 'o'. > > Any suggestions are very welcome. I can then see if there is a fit with the > remains of the first letter or two. > > Thanks in advance, Alec Whitfield from North Herefordshire UK > [email protected] > > ---- ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ---- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > K.McCormack Co Cork,Ireland ----------------------------------------------------------------- Find the home of your dreams with eircom net property Sign up for email alerts now http://www.eircom.net/propertyalerts

Hi! I have peroblem with a will of 1750. There is a reference to a street in Presteigne. The word 'Street' is clear enough but the actual name is unclear. It is short, probably four letters. The only possible on the web Multimap is 'High Street'. However the last letter has a curved descender and so is 'g' or less probably 'y'. The penultimate letter is a small circle and so 'a', 'e' or 'o'. Any suggestions are very welcome. I can then see if there is a fit with the remains of the first letter or two. Thanks in advance, Alec Whitfield from North Herefordshire UK [email protected]

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Hi I'm new to the list and my main surname interest is BANFORD. The BANFORD's originated in Mathon then moved to Pencombe. Samuel BANFORD b.1788 Mathon, d.1853 Pencombe? he was a carpenter and Wheelwright and is mentioned in the various directories. His two sons Thomas BANFORD b.1819 Pencombe and John BANFORD b.1825 Pencombe took over the wheelwrights business in Pencombe. The family lived at Court Farm, Pencombe and then at Bank House Pencombe. Apparently Court Farm was rebuilt in 1863. Is anyone aware of any old photos/images of the farm? Any information on the Banford's would be welcome. Thanks Fiona

I have this reference - "Hereford Journal" 31 October 1776 - "Saturday last committed to the county gaol by the Rev.Dr.Woodcock, John VERRY, charged on the oath of Arnold Barrell with stealing a bay gelding, the property of Sir John Cotterell". The representative of the Cotterell family advised me years ago that the offense probably took place in Mansell Gamage. Many years ago I was advised by a London search agent that the Oxford Assize records were destroyed. But I wonder if any folks on this list may know of an alternative source which might identify which parish John was from (there are choices!) - and his ultimate fate. Act books appear to have survived for Gloucester and I'm wondering if those for Hereford have too. Adrian Verry

I have a connection with the family below, particularly with the daughter, Elizabeth J. (Jane) aged 13 who is giving me a headache. Does anyone have any member of this family in their tree please? 1871 Census of Herefordshire RG10/2715/38/1 51 Bridge Street, Leominster, Herefordshire Thomas RAVENHILL Head 39 Kimbolton Leominster Farmer & Butcher Elizabeth RAVENHILL Wife 43 Leominster Leominster Elizabeth J. RAVENHILL Dau 13 Eye Leominster James T. RAVENHILL Son 10 Eye Leominster William RAVENHILL Son 9 Eye Leominster Alfred T. RAVENHILL Son 4 Eye Leominster Ann RAVENHILL Dau 7 Eye Leominster Caroline RAVENHILL Dau 1 Eye Leominster TIA Sue (Kent)

Hi list, Couple of days ago I put a thank you message on the list telling of the great help Phil Gwilliam had been in finding my CHARLOTTE WHEELER [nee Wicks]. Born abt. 1799 in Tetbury, she seems to have been a lifelong servant to the very interesting family PENOYRE, on the Moor in Clifford. Surprised to find Charlotte had a daughter MARY in 1831 who was a lady's maid until the 'lady', ANNA MARIA N. S. PENOYRE died in HAY, Mar quar. 1874. No death found for Mary. But Charlotte is in the 1881 census as 'annuitant' in Clifford. But my message was returned. Now I wonder if I did not have the new address. Guess I will know if this is returned! Regards to all, Kitty

Thank you to all who replied. I hope that I have thanked all of you individually off List, but please forgive me if I have missed any of you - it is not that you are unappreciated but I was "otherwise occupied" - Thursday and Friday was much taken up with buying a new (to me!) car and selling the old one and then getting my number plate (POL 2Y!) put on the new one..... But back to business. The reason that you could not find the page reference given on Ancestry is that they have made an error in identifying the folio number of the page. They have it as folio 378, although the next image/page is correctly folio 382. I asked for further details of the person, and was told that it was "the very first household in Uffington... She was Sophia M Kirkpatrick, dau-in-law, married, 23, born in all those different spellings." So thanks to identifying the family I have found her marriage on FreeBMD: Marriages Dec 1849 Hatton Sophia Maria Faringdon 6 387 Kirkpatrick James Faringdon 6 387 and her baptism on the FamilySearch IGI: SOPHIA MARIA HATTON Christening: 25 AUG 1827 Weston Under Penyard, Hereford, England Father: LEWIS HATTON Mother: SOPHIA Using the Old Maps reference www.old-maps.co.uk - Pontshill, suggested on the HEF List by Ruth Darwen, I soon discovered that it was in the parish of Weston under Penyard. Scroll north from where the link lands you. So QED! Thannks to all of you for your suggestions. I had come up with Putley and Puddlestone as possibilities, but did not have the local knowledge required to make this correct identification. As Ruth says it is easy to see how "Pontshill" could be written as "Punsel" by someone unfamiliar with the dialect/spelling. Kind regards Polly

Could anyone who has either of the above census please look for my G.G. G.Grandfather and his wife living in LEA. WILLIAM LAWRENCE born about 1795 MARY born about 1803, I should be very grateful, thank you Joan

Could anyone who has either of the above census please look for my G.G. G.Grandfather and his wife living in LEA. WILLIAM LAWRENCE born about 1795 MARY born about 1803, I should be very grateful, thank you Joan

Hello Joan, I have looked on Ancestry and have not been able to find any LAWRENCE or variant in Lea Parish or Lea Bailey (which is nearby to Lea) in 1851. I also looked at the HEF FHS and the GLS FHS transcriptions and this confirms their absence in 1851. I also checked 1841 on Ancestry. Lea is part in HEF and part in GLS. They are not included in the Ancestry transcription and I looked at the original census images on Ancestry and they do not appear to be there. Regards Gerald -----Original Message----- From: P & J Williams [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 10:01 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [HEF] 1841 or 1851 census for LEA Could anyone who has either of the above census please look for my G.G. G.Grandfather and his wife living in LEA. WILLIAM LAWRENCE born about 1795 MARY born about 1803, I should be very grateful, thank you Joan

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Polly asked about: The OFHS is doing - has done - its own 1851 transcription. We have one person, details below, for whom we can't find any "real" place to tie in with the place he claims to have come from. (To add in another field.) This is Piece 1687 F381 Sched 1. In 1851 it's Punsle (I first thought it was Punde, but because of all the others I've had another look, and Punsle it probably is). 61: Puntley(?), 71: Puncel(?); 81 Punsel. These are all the places on the OS 1:50 000 in Herefordshire starting with PU... Pudleston 5659 Pudleston Court 5659 Putley 6437 Putley Common 6338 Putley Court 6337 Putley Green 6537 Putson 5138 The digits are the reference for the relevant square. Regards, Alec Whitfield from North Herefordshire UK [email protected]

Hi All I have been asked the following. Can anyone on the List suggest where it might be, please? Kind regards Polly The OFHS is doing - has done - its own 1851 transcription. We have one person, details below, for whom we can't find any "real" place to tie in with the place he claims to have come from. (To add in another field.) This is Piece 1687 F381 Sched 1. In 1851 it's Punsle (I first thought it was Punde, but because of all the others I've had another look, and Punsle it probably is). 61: Puntley(?), 71: Puncel(?); 81 Punsel. Any expert local knowledge?

I have seen Pauntley as well as Pauntley Court. I am not sure where but I think in the Much Cowarne area. Steve Kelsey -----Original Message----- From: Polly Rubery [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 10:28 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [HEF] Unknown place in HEF Hi All I have been asked the following. Can anyone on the List suggest where it might be, please? Kind regards Polly The OFHS is doing - has done - its own 1851 transcription. We have one person, details below, for whom we can't find any "real" place to tie in with the place he claims to have come from. (To add in another field.) This is Piece 1687 F381 Sched 1. In 1851 it's Punsle (I first thought it was Punde, but because of all the others I've had another look, and Punsle it probably is). 61: Puntley(?), 71: Puncel(?); 81 Punsel. Any expert local knowledge? ==== ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ==== ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Thank you to all who have filled me in with the place names--so quick Much appreciated Marg

Dear Listers help needed with some place names in Hereford I am transcribing a will and am stuck with a couple of place names "In the several parishes of Kingston ----and the others looks like Allous----- & ----lohouger"? could be C to start Suggestions welcome please Cheers Marg

And Allensmore? Polly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Douglas" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 6:18 AM Subject: RE: [HEF] Places Clehonger? Bob -----Original Message----- From: Marg Morse [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 23 August 2006 23:23 To: [email protected] Subject: [HEF] Places Dear Listers help needed with some place names in Hereford I am transcribing a will and am stuck with a couple of place names "In the several parishes of Kingston ----and the others looks like Allous----- & ----lohouger"? could be C to start Suggestions welcome please Cheers Marg ==== ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ==== . ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx ==== ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ==== . ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Clehonger? Bob -----Original Message----- From: Marg Morse [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 23 August 2006 23:23 To: [email protected] Subject: [HEF] Places Dear Listers help needed with some place names in Hereford I am transcribing a will and am stuck with a couple of place names "In the several parishes of Kingston ----and the others looks like Allous----- & ----lohouger"? could be C to start Suggestions welcome please Cheers Marg ==== ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ==== . ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Hello Mandy, I assume you are looking on Ancestry. The clue is in the RG9 4231 at the bottom of the page which tells us, again, that this is the Registration District of Presteigne in Radnorshire. Regards Gerald -----Original Message----- From: Mandy Whitham [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 7:01 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [HEF] A Further Staunton on Arrow Question I've found one additional question re Staunton - the village appears on the 1861 census as one page of 13 entries listed as Stanton on Arrow - the page is actually supposed to be a description of the area covered but no such luck. Any suggestions as to where I might find the inhabitants - or not at all? Mandy