Hi Bob & Malcom Joseph's birthplace is "Linton" - the Ancestry index has that right (compare with Lower Sapey further on the same census page). Another township of Bromyard, as I think I said. The place name that you weren't sure of is "Taylor's Leasow" and there is "The Saddlers Arms" at schedule 78 between Elde*r* Cottage and Broadbridge Cottage. Broad Bridge is the bridge that the Stourport road out of Bromyard crosses the River Frome, I think that the other addresses are all on the Downs. Certainly the address given on the registration of Joseph's last child, born in 1872, was "Downs, Norton". HTH Polly Indexing the Bromyard RD births..... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Malcolm Brinkworth" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 8:03 AM Subject: [HEF] Re-Wildsmith Query Norton Hello Bob and Polly, Have had another look at Herefordshire census 1871,RG10-2712 Folio 77 page 13,Entry 74 at Norton,which is as follows:- Joseph WILDSMITH,Head,Married,42?,Bricklayer,born Gi???ton,Herefordshire Elizth ,Wife,M,38,born Bromyard,Hefs James ,Son,9,Scholar,born Bromyard,Hefs Herbert J ,Son,6,Scholar,born,Bromyard,Hefs William H ,Son,2,born Norton,Hefs Joseph's place of birth is definitely not written the same as others entered as Norton.It is a little difficult to try and decipher it,am not even sure of first letter. On the census entry 70 which was enumerated before the Wildsmith family ,had an address of Taylors Seasour? or Similar and entry address's after the Wildsmiths were 77:-Elden Cottage and 80:-Broadbridge Cottage.Gave that in case anyone can localise the area. Best Wishes, Malcolm ---- ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ---- A genealogy and local history list covering the County of Hereford ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Bob and Polly, Have had another look at Herefordshire census 1871,RG10-2712 Folio 77 page 13,Entry 74 at Norton,which is as follows:- Joseph WILDSMITH,Head,Married,42?,Bricklayer,born Gi???ton,Herefordshire Elizth ,Wife,M,38,born Bromyard,Hefs James ,Son,9,Scholar,born Bromyard,Hefs Herbert J ,Son,6,Scholar,born,Bromyard,Hefs William H ,Son,2,born Norton,Hefs Joseph's place of birth is definitely not written the same as others entered as Norton.It is a little difficult to try and decipher it,am not even sure of first letter. On the census entry 70 which was enumerated before the Wildsmith family ,had an address of Taylors Seasour? or Similar and entry address's after the Wildsmiths were 77:-Elden Cottage and 80:-Broadbridge Cottage.Gave that in case anyone can localise the area. Best Wishes, Malcolm

Hi Malcolm Well at least you tried, so no apologies needed. However let it give all of us a note of caution - it is better to say or to record in your research notes that "I did not find" - than "it isn't there" as I have often found that on a second look miraculously it is....:-)! Polly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Malcolm Brinkworth" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 7:02 PM Subject: [HEF] Re-WILDSMITH Norton area Hello Bob and Polly, Apologies,I suppose that is what comes of rushing through the census before going out to an appointment, Malcolm ---- ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ---- A genealogy and local history list covering the County of Hereford ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Bob and Polly, Apologies,I suppose that is what comes of rushing through the census before going out to an appointment, Malcolm

Hi Malcom That's funny, the Ancestry Index shows 5, all at RG10/2712 f77 p13: Eliza Wildsmith abt 1833 Bromyard, Herefordshire, England Wife Norton Herefordshire Herbert J Wildsmith abt 1865 Bromyard, Herefordshire, England Son Norton Herefordshire James Wildsmith abt 1862 Bromyard, Herefordshire, England Son Norton Herefordshire Joseph Wildsmith abt 1829 Linton, Herefordshire, England Head Norton Herefordshire William H Wildsmith abt 1869 Norton, Herefordshire, England Son Norton Herefordshire Norton being a township of the parish of Bromyard, along with Linton, Winslow and Brockhampton. HTH Polly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Malcolm Brinkworth" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 11:02 AM Subject: [HEF] Re-WILDSMITH 1871 Hello again Bob, Have looked at the 1871 census of Herefordshire,Bromyard area RG10-2709 and RG10-2712 and found no WILDSMITH names, Best Wishes, Malcolm ---- ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ---- A genealogy and local history list covering the County of Hereford ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello again Bob, Have looked at the 1871 census of Herefordshire,Bromyard area RG10-2709 and RG10-2712 and found no WILDSMITH names, Best Wishes, Malcolm

Hi could SKS advise if there is a Wildsmith family living in Bromyard Wife Eliza siblings James 10, Herbert 6 and William 3. I am endevering to find their Father and Mothers maiden name if posible by finding their marriage. Regards Bob Wilesmith NSW AUSTRALIA

Hello Bob, Not sure which Census year you are looking for?Off the 1851 Census Index by Herefordshire Family History Society at Bromyard are:- Ann WILDSMITH,72,Bromyard,1980,54b William WILDSMITH,78,Bromyard,1980,54b Their are a total of 17 WILDSMITHS on this index spread around Herefordshire.Will look at Bromyard 1871 when I have some more time, Best Wishes, Malcolm Brinkworth in Abergavenny,Wales.

Kitty, Hereford is 34 miles from Kidderminster. I have checked with the Herefordshire Marriage Index and the Robert Catchpole / Mary Morgan marriage is there on the same date. It was probably by banns and there seems to have been no additional information. I will try to have a look at the register next time I am at the Record Office. Meanwhile my fingers remain crossed. Alec Whitfield from North Herefordshire UK [email protected]

For the duration of the new series of Who do you Think you are. Today until 8th November 2006 Ancestry.co.uk are giving free online access to the 1901 census. Best Wishes Carol O'Neill www.genealogyprinters.com

Hi Listers, It would be a huge step forward if SKS would view the EXACT parish register of this marriage. ROBERT CATCHPOLE mar. MARY MORGAN, 19 FEB 1798, All Saints, Hereford, Hereford. I saw this on IGI Batch # M145941. No other 'Catchpole' on this batch. The name 'Catchpole' not seen in HEF or WOR. And 'Allbut' not often seen in HEF. Tons of Allbut in WOR. I would be so happy to find Robert's age and possibly where he is from, witnesses and maybe even his occupation. ' ============================================================ But the person I am really after is his possible sister, MARTHA CATCHPOLE. She *may* be the one who married JOSEPH ALLBUT of Kidderminster, WOR. But no marriage can be found --so I am at a standstill. On LDS patron submitted Batch # 8005130, I found the marriage of: MARTHA CATCHPOLE to William NUNN, 18 Jan 1798, in Great Barton, Suffolk Two children born before William NUNN died on 20 NOV 1800 in Suffolk. Little William on June 1798, and newborn George in Sep 1800. Martha & William parents of both. On this patron sub. batch, it shows that both a Martha and a Robert were children of Thomas Catchpole & Ann of Great Barton, Suffolk. Robert Catchpole chr. 05 JAN 1759 Martha Catchpole chr 08 MAR 1767 ========================================================= The problem of getting Martha Catchpole from Suffolk to Worcester to start having children in Kidderminster with JOSEPH ALLBUT by 1803 may be answered by her brother Robert's marriage in Hereford, and by her new status as widow with 2 babes. [As an interesting aside, if this Martha is indeed my connection, her son JOSEPH ALLBUT is the schoolmaster in Clifford HEF from about 1838 to mid 1850s. And when Joseph married for a third time, it was in Hereford.] The name ALLBUT is so tortured that it comes through in the records often as 'Allbert' --and many other variations. So it seems logical to be looking for a marriage between MARTHA NUNN and JOSEPH ???? sometime between late 1800 and 1803. ============================================================ Here are the children born to Joseph & Martha in Kidderminster WOR, Batch#C043951 Mary Albott born 15 Mar 1803 chr. 11 Apr 1803 Catherine Halbott chr. 15 Apr 1805 Joseph Albutt GGgrandfather, schoolmaster. chr 25 Dec 1806 William Allbut born 24 Dec 1808 chr. 15 Jan 1809 Mary Catchpole Allbutt chr. 29 Mar 1811 Martha Allbutt [died 02 Sep 1816] chr 20 June 1813 The mother Martha Allbutt died in June 1816 [age stated as 42 <1774.]. Less than three months later, 3 year old Martha Allbutt also died. Mother Martha's age at death doesn't quite match the age of the Martha Catchpole from Great Barton said to be born 1767. But not far off ! Possible that husband Joseph did not know exactly. The other somewhat unusual thing is that Martha seemed not to name any children after her parents, Thomas and Ann. ============================================================ All adventures have a starting point which is why I'm asking for a look at the record of ROBERT CATCHPOLE's marriage to Mary MORGAN in Feb 1798 at All Saints in Hereford. Many thanks to anyone who has read this far !! Best wishes to all, Kitty Watkins in St. Louis, Missouri PS. I have never been sure how far is it from Hereford to Kidderminster.

Hi Steve I don't have any information on the Daniels and Woodyatts. However, I notice that you have the name Dennis in your list of interests adn I am hoping that you are able to help me. My ancestor is Mary Holt she is the daughter of Thomas Hoult (Holt) and Susannah. The only marriage I have been able to find for a Thomas Hoult and Susanna is - Susannah Dennis married Thomas Hoult (Holt) at Pencome 14th March 1797. If I am right, after their marriage they went to live in Bodenham where Mary, her twin and her siblings were born. There is a twist to this in that Mary married a Thomas Kington who had been married twice before. One of his previous wifes was a Esther Unett, by whom Thomas had two sons. I don't know anything about Esther as I have been more interested in my direct ancester Mary, but it does seem strange that you also have UNETT on your list. I would be very grateful if you are able help with any information on any of the above. Eveline ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Kelsey" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 4:26 PM Subject: Re: [HEF] Free paddock MATHON I have a number of Daniel people who married into my Woodyatt family. Are you aware of any of these and can you provide any more information? Rosina Daniels married Harold Woodyatt 1950 at Worcester Charles Woodyatt married Margaret Ann Daniel 27 jul 1865 at Mathon Thomas Unett married Ann Daniel 28 apr 1764 Sutton St Michaels Daniel Daniel married Margaret Haylings 21 feb 1736 Bishops Frome Jacob Daniel s/o William Daniel married Alice Maria Vobe 25 feb 1892 St John Bedwardine Worc Thomas Daniel married Mary Woodyatt 11 nov 1800 Ledbury In each of these cases my interest is the surname other than Daniel. I Am interested in any descendants of any of these couples. My surname interests in this area are: Woodyatt,Berrow,Homes,Hayling(s),Vobe,Jauncey,Walker,Weight,Derry,Gardiner, Wood,Drew,Caswall,Sirrell,Baylis,Wormington,Dennis,Brazier,Tomkins,Lawrence, Alcott,Carwardine. I have considerable information on most people of these surnames in the Hereford-Worcester border area. Steve Kelsey -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of David Daniell Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 11:14 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [HEF] Free paddock MATHON Please can anyone tell me the meaning / a description of, the address of my G Grandfather Daniell in the 1881 census (LDS site extract below). I know he is widowed (by then for 10 months) and has the youngest of his children still with him (he has been for at least 25 years a serious alcoholic) and will shortly be taken off to live with a married son and his wife. We'd just like to know what "Free Paddock" was, if we can. Not the location, the accommodation if you see what I mean. Is this a polite way of saying "under a hedge"? It is March. I expect he would be destitute. David (enumerator can't spell or is confused by the plural) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thomas DANIELS Household Male ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Other Information: Birth Year <1822> Birthplace Bromsberrowe, Gloucester, England Age 59 Occupation Gardener Marital Status W <Widowed> Head of Household Thomas DANIELS Relation Head Disability ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Source Information: Dwelling Free Paddock Census Place Mathon, Worcester, England Family History Library Film 1341622 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 2582 / 29 Page Number 4 ---- ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ---- A genealogy and local history list covering the County of Hereford ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ---- ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ---- A genealogy and local history list covering the County of Hereford ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

David, The term paddock is common in Worcs for a small piece of land. I think "free paddock" refers to common land on which a cottage or more had been built. That is, the land is unencumbered by rent or lease or other obligations. In south Herefordshire which I am more familiar with, many parishes had a small piece of free common land with cottages though I have not seen the term free paddock used in those parts. Usually they were occupied by agricultural workers, the infirm, the aged. I have noticed many being occupied by people who were unrelated and sometimes one or more on outdoor relief especially when seasonally out of work. Worcestershire RO has a good run of Poor Law records which might help. Best of luck, Adrian Verry

Please can anyone tell me the meaning / a description of, the address of my G Grandfather Daniell in the 1881 census (LDS site extract below). I know he is widowed (by then for 10 months) and has the youngest of his children still with him (he has been for at least 25 years a serious alcoholic) and will shortly be taken off to live with a married son and his wife. We'd just like to know what "Free Paddock" was, if we can. Not the location, the accommodation if you see what I mean. Is this a polite way of saying "under a hedge"? It is March. I expect he would be destitute. David (enumerator can't spell or is confused by the plural) ------------------------------------------------------------------------   Thomas DANIELS Household     Male   ------------------------------------------------------------------------   Other Information:     Birth Year <1822>      Birthplace Bromsberrowe, Gloucester, England      Age 59      Occupation Gardener      Marital Status W <Widowed>      Head of Household Thomas DANIELS     Relation Head      Disability   ------------------------------------------------------------------------   Source Information:     Dwelling Free Paddock     Census Place Mathon, Worcester, England      Family History Library Film 1341622     Public Records Office Reference RG11     Piece / Folio 2582 / 29     Page Number 4

I have a number of Daniel people who married into my Woodyatt family. Are you aware of any of these and can you provide any more information? Rosina Daniels married Harold Woodyatt 1950 at Worcester Charles Woodyatt married Margaret Ann Daniel 27 jul 1865 at Mathon Thomas Unett married Ann Daniel 28 apr 1764 Sutton St Michaels Daniel Daniel married Margaret Haylings 21 feb 1736 Bishops Frome Jacob Daniel s/o William Daniel married Alice Maria Vobe 25 feb 1892 St John Bedwardine Worc Thomas Daniel married Mary Woodyatt 11 nov 1800 Ledbury In each of these cases my interest is the surname other than Daniel. I Am interested in any descendants of any of these couples. My surname interests in this area are: Woodyatt,Berrow,Homes,Hayling(s),Vobe,Jauncey,Walker,Weight,Derry,Gardiner, Wood,Drew,Caswall,Sirrell,Baylis,Wormington,Dennis,Brazier,Tomkins,Lawrence, Alcott,Carwardine. I have considerable information on most people of these surnames in the Hereford-Worcester border area. Steve Kelsey -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of David Daniell Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 11:14 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [HEF] Free paddock MATHON Please can anyone tell me the meaning / a description of, the address of my G Grandfather Daniell in the 1881 census (LDS site extract below). I know he is widowed (by then for 10 months) and has the youngest of his children still with him (he has been for at least 25 years a serious alcoholic) and will shortly be taken off to live with a married son and his wife. We'd just like to know what "Free Paddock" was, if we can. Not the location, the accommodation if you see what I mean. Is this a polite way of saying "under a hedge"? It is March. I expect he would be destitute. David (enumerator can't spell or is confused by the plural) ------------------------------------------------------------------------   Thomas DANIELS Household     Male   ------------------------------------------------------------------------   Other Information:     Birth Year <1822>      Birthplace Bromsberrowe, Gloucester, England      Age 59      Occupation Gardener      Marital Status W <Widowed>      Head of Household Thomas DANIELS     Relation Head      Disability   ------------------------------------------------------------------------   Source Information:     Dwelling Free Paddock     Census Place Mathon, Worcester, England      Family History Library Film 1341622     Public Records Office Reference RG11     Piece / Folio 2582 / 29     Page Number 4 ---- ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ---- A genealogy and local history list covering the County of Hereford ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hallo Barbara, Thanks for this: no rush, as I am away myself now for 10 days. Bert. >From: "barbara haner" <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [HEF] Pencombe/Graingers/Gittoes >Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 21:43:46 +0000 > > >Bert > >I am not sure if I have a copy of the church register going back that far > >Will check but I have just arrived back in California after 5 months in >Pencombe and still sorting out > >Cheers - Barbara

Thanks PhilAppreciated Eveline ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Bufton" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 9:13 PM Subject: Re: [HEF] marriage look-up > Eveline, > > Probably this is the one > > Surname (Male) Forename (Male) Year Day Month Forename (Female) Surname > (Female) Place of Marriage B/L Parish of Origin > AUSTIN THOMAS 1789 18 08 SARAH ASHCROFT UPPER SAPEY L > > > > Phil Bufton > Vice Chairman > Herefordshire FHS > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Eveline Clarke" <[email protected]> > To: "ENG-HEREFORD" <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 7:56 AM > Subject: [HEF] marriage look-up > > > > Hi > > > > I was wondering if SKS could look up the marriage of Thomas AUSTIN to > > Sarah ??? > > > > I believe that Thomas may have married twice as there is such a large gap > > in the ages of the children. ie. His son James was born c1792 (I have > > not yet found his baptism). However, his daughter Sarah (my ancestor) was > > baptised in Tedstone Wafer in 1804 with parents listed as Thomas and Sarah > > Austin. > > > > Any help with this would be greatly appreciated. > > > > Regards > > > > Eveline > > > > > > ---- ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ---- > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ---- ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ---- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Bert I am not sure if I have a copy of the church register going back that far Will check but I have just arrived back in California after 5 months in Pencombe and still sorting out Cheers - Barbara >From: [email protected] >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: ENG-HEREFORD Digest, Vol 1, Issue 5 >Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 01:15:58 -0600 > > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Pencombe: GRAINGER/GITTOES (Herbert Pemberton) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 11:49:40 +0100 >From: "Herbert Pemberton" <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [HEF] Pencombe: GRAINGER/GITTOES >To: [email protected], [email protected] >Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > >Hallo Barbara, > >I saw this e-mail about Pencombe and wondered if you could have a look in >your documents for John GRAINGER who married Elizabeth GITTOES at Pencombe >on 2 Dec 1746. He is not a direct ancestor: my Graingers were millers in >Hereford at this time, but I have been wondering if he is related to them, >because they did move about quite a lot. Two got married in Pershore, >Worcs. >during the 18th c. (they were still described in the Register as "of >Hereford St. Owen"), and others in London. > >I can't see John's christening in the IGI: a possible christening for >Elizabeth is at Hope under Dinmore, Herefs., on 9 Dec 1722, and John and >Elizabeth had a son John christened at Pencombe on 15 June 1748. > >Looking forward to hearing from you. > >Kind regards, Bert Pemberton (HFHS 1838) > > > > >------------------------------ > > > >End of ENG-HEREFORD Digest, Vol 1, Issue 5 >******************************************

Eveline, Probably this is the one Surname (Male) Forename (Male) Year Day Month Forename (Female) Surname (Female) Place of Marriage B/L Parish of Origin AUSTIN THOMAS 1789 18 08 SARAH ASHCROFT UPPER SAPEY L Phil Bufton Vice Chairman Herefordshire FHS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eveline Clarke" <[email protected]> To: "ENG-HEREFORD" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 7:56 AM Subject: [HEF] marriage look-up > Hi > > I was wondering if SKS could look up the marriage of Thomas AUSTIN to > Sarah ??? > > I believe that Thomas may have married twice as there is such a large gap > in the ages of the children. ie. His son James was born c1792 (I have > not yet found his baptism). However, his daughter Sarah (my ancestor) was > baptised in Tedstone Wafer in 1804 with parents listed as Thomas and Sarah > Austin. > > Any help with this would be greatly appreciated. > > Regards > > Eveline > > > ---- ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ---- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Polly, Thanks for that.....I'll send an e mail to you direct. Many thanks ,Kevin Co Cork Ireland > > Hi Kevin > > I will be going - not quite sure when at the moment! > Polly > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "kevin mccormack" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 9:48 PM > Subject: [HEF] Records Office > > > Hi, Is there a researcher here who lives in Hereford? I will pay if someone > can make it to the R.O. as i require a couple of photocopies. I have parish > and dates.I will be going to R.O next year but I am famous for my > impatience. Replies off list please. Best regards,Kevin. > K.McCormack Co Cork,Ireland > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Find the home of your dreams with eircom net property > Sign up for email alerts now http://www.eircom.net/propertyalerts > > > ---- ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ---- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ---- ENG-HEREFORD Mailing List ---- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > K.McCormack Co Cork,Ireland ----------------------------------------------------------------- Find the home of your dreams with eircom net property Sign up for email alerts now http://www.eircom.net/propertyalerts