On Sat, 26 Oct 2002 21:47:56 +0100 Barbara Mallyon wrote: > From: "Brian Marron" <brilin@brilin.screaming.net> > > | Isaac Woodhouse married Sarah Martin 9th March 1777 at > > | Kingsclere. They > had > | three children Mary baptised 19th May 1781, Isaac baptised > | 13th March > 1784 > | and (This one is of some doubt) Hannah Wooders baptised 11th > | Dec 1785. I am not sure where you saw her as WOODERS. The entry for Hannah in both Bishops Transcripts and Baptism Register has her parents clearly as WOODHOUSE, abode Kingsclere Dell. The entry for Mary has Woodhouse in the BTs but WOODAY in the register, abode Town, Isaac is Woodhouse in both with abode again as Town. The burial for Isaac in December of 1784 has abode Town and age 1 year so that takes this Isaac out of the reckoning. The first entry for Isaac and Jane is that for Sarah, bapt. Jul 1793, and has abode as Kingsclere Dell. When Thomas is bapt. in Oct 1795, abode is given as Town so it looks as thuough Dell and Town were inter-changeable. The marriage and banns entries for Isaac/Jane Cummins do not give status of either party but there is a burial of Sarah Woodhouse of Town on 27 Oct 1790 (no age stated). So it does seem likely that Jane _was_ Isaacs second wife> I have seen a couple more WOODERS entries, John Wooders who married Elizabeth Cooper at St. Mary, Kingsclere in March 1781. Elizabeth came, I believe, from Woodcott and was a dau of Richard and Mary Cooper who may be direct ancestors of mine. Their daughter was bapt as Elizabeth Wooders in Oct 1781 and there is a burial of Elizabeth Wooders in May 1781. I don't know how North Hampshire people spoke in the 18th Cent. but I imagine it would be quite easy for the name Woodhouse to sound different to what we would expect today, omit pronouncing the H and slurring the 'ouse' part could easily give Wooders > | However as I was working backwards and looking for Hannah I > | might have picked the wrong one. There was also a Hannah > | baptised on 18th May 1783 as the illegitimate child of Ann > | Woodhouse. Either would fit into my database. Ann was living Kingsclere Common. I have nothing further on Ann at present. > | There is also a removal order against Isaac & Sarah dated 4th > | April 1777 for them to return to Hannington despite the fact > | that all their children are baptised in Kingsclere. > | Turning now to the individual names: > | Hannah Woodhouse born in 1813 and baptised on 22nd Sep 1816 > | married Richard Holmes on 20th Feb 1843 at Kingsclere. Their > | children were as follows: > | James Woodhouse born 1841 and baptised 7th Nov 1841. > | He was the illegitimate > | son of Hannah Woodhouse a pauper of Swan St Kingsclere The marriage entry in the St. Mary register for these two gives Hannah's father as Joseph, labourer. Hannah was living Mill Green at the time as was Richard whose father was also a Richard, Rag Man. I have Joseph married to Sarah Smith on 17 Feb 1795 at St. Mary. They have several children including the Mary who married William Holmes, father Richard on 28 Sep 1848 at St. Paul, Woodlands. Mary also lived at Mill Green so it looks as though this is the right family. Joseph's parents were probably Joseph and Elizabeth (Monger) of Sidmonton who married on 10 Oct 1770. I have just two children for this couple, James bapt 16 Nov 1773 and Joseph. I don't have a baptism date for Joseph but father's name in th marriage register is Joseph so it seems likely I have the right parents. > | Mary Ann Woodhouse was the daughter of Joseph Woodhouse. She > | married William Holmes on 22nd Sep 1848. Their 1st child > | Richard Holmes was <snipped> > | I think there is a possibility that he may have gone to > | prison after the Banns were called. She was baptised 'plain' Mary so the Ann must have been added later perhaps to distinguish her from an earlier Mary bapt 17 Oct 1796 to Joseph & Sarah, who were recorded as living Ashford Hill. I presume this Mary died but haven't seen a burial record for her as yet. > | I have no William Woodhouse married to Elizabeth? on my > | database. I have seen the Isaac Woodhouse married on 11th Dec > | 1792 to Jane Cummins on the IGI but unless it's the 2nd > | marriage <snipped> See above for details which seem to confirm this was a second marriage The 1851 census index for Hannington has William and Eliza with 7 children. William born ca 1805 in Hannington. I cannot see a baptism for him in Hannington BTs or Kingsclere PRs but he does fit neatly into the sequence of children of Isaac and Jane. I will give this some more research later. to see if I have missed him. > | My aim is to determine if my Hannah Woodhouse (Wooders) was > | the illegitimate daur of Ann Woodhouse baptised on 18th May > | 1783 OR the daughter of Isaac & Sarah Woodhouse baptised 11th > | Dec 1785. The correct person is the one who eventually > | married Alexander Webb(Bn 1783, bp 5/4/1788) at Thatcham > | Berks on 17th Nov 1805. This would mean she was either 20 or > | 22 on marriage- either is appropriate. Nothing I have will help with this I am afraid. The marriage register will not help as parents were not recorded at this period. The only thing that might give a clue is the way they named their children. Again I cannot help as I do not know where Isaac was born (Hannington?) or who his parents might be. --- John Lewis <jayellatntlworlddotcom> from Bournemouth, Dorset, UK. using Debian GNU/Linux and GeneWeb genealogy software Main Family Names in HAM are: Kingsclere: BUTLER, COOPER, FISHER, FOSTER, GIRDLER, HAWKINS, SMITH Hazeley Heath: BARKER, CHANDLER, LEWINGTON, NEVILL(E) Main Family Names in GLA are: GRIFFITH, HOPKINS, JENKINS, LEWIS. MORGAN, PHILLIPS and CMN: HOPKINS, DAVIES