On Mon, 17 Mar 2003 06:31:19 EST VPickard1@aol.com wrote: > Gt x 3 grandfather James Savery moved from Withington, Glos to > Kingsclere between 1810 and 1820. > Would he have had to have a settlement cert. and is it possible > to find out what family were with him? I know son John was. The 1851 Census Index for Kingsclere has James SAVORY age 71 born Withington, Henry 25 born Kingsclere and Ann 7 born Leasoncott?, Glos on page 159. John SAVERY 40 born Withington, Caroline 40 born Henley on Thames, Oxf., Ann Rebecca 14 and John J. 2 months both born Kingsclere are listed on page 184. I don't know the relationship of Ann Rebecca to John & Caroline but John J. seems to be a son. John & Caroline were to have another six childen bapt. in Kingsclere, he was a shoemaker and is also recorded as Parish Clerk in 1855 and Sexton in 1859. He died in 1866 in George Street and was buried at St. Mary. Caroline also died in Geroge Street in 1898. I have James senior married to Maria Poole but no note of my source for this. She presumably died before 1851. I have James junior recorded as a Gamekeeper and married to Ann EDWARDS but again I have no note of source of this info. If my info is correct and James junior was a gamekeeper it is possible James senior was also a gamekeeper as this occupation often runs in families. In which case James snr could have moved to Kingsclere to work on one of the estates (keepers tended to move around), after several years settlement in Kingsclere Parish would be established and with sons/grandsons becoming Parish Clerks who was going to move him on!! Two possible children are of James and Ann are Henry born about 1826 at North Oakley who married (1) Mary Ann POOLE and (2) Louisa BUTLER on 2 Jul 1888. Henry was a Surveyor Land Measurer and Parish Clerk when he married, witnesses were Henry Thomas SAVERY and Elizabeth Hewlett MILES. The second possible child was Joseph who was buried at St. Mary on 14 Sep 1846 age 5 months. I also have a Joseph Savery married to Hannah GODDARD in Basingstoke on 17 Aug 1742 with a daughter Ann born 1843 at Oliffe Shipton, Glos. My notes say Ann went to live with her Uncle Richard in 1846 but this is another of the early entries in my database with no source details and I have no other evidence of any Richard. The Ann listed with James and Henry in 1851 may be this Ann and Uncle Richard may in fact be Uncle Henry?? -- John Lewis <jayellatntlworlddotcom> from Bournemouth, Dorset, UK. using Debian GNU/Linux and GeneWeb genealogy software