On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 01:17:42 +0100 "Dorothy Jones" <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi John > > According to my extracts we have an anomaly: > > 'Snipped' from yours > > 1841 Census, Kintbury Wharf: > > John Bates, 60, wheelwright, Y > > Elizabeth -do-, 60, Y > > Betty -do-, 72, , Y > > James Watts, 60, joiner?, Y > > I have both John and Elizabeth aged 40 and there is also an > Ann in the household listed after Watts[?] but her details, > including surname, are illegible. I shouldn't have used the transcription of age on the ancestry site, looking closely at the image I think 40 _is_ more likely and this age fits better with a birthdate in 1797. I cannot make out any Ann though, the name after James Watts looks to me like like John Reddick (or similar) age 35 with unreadable occupation. But the age is in the female column and ancestry have her as Ann Reddick but not in household of John Bates. I agree she should be included in that household as the tick indicating a new household is below Ann Reddick's entry. I cannot make out any other names on that page so the transcribers must have had a better image to look at. > I also found at Lower Templeton Farm, Kintbury: > John BATES 69 Ind > Hannah 68 > Charles 10 Ag lab > all born in County In contrast to the previous 1841 census page this one is quite clear ;-) > These provide some interesting links as I'm told 1851 > Kintbury > lists Charles BATES 20 Nephew to John BATES 79 > Hannah SMART 43 dau > Samuel SMART 55 s-in-law > Mary EATWELL 11 Vis > > Sorry, I can't access 1851 via FMP and I was not given full > details. I can confirm those details, with John, Hannah and Samuel born in Kintbury, Charles born in Reading and Mary born Hungerford. The next entry is that of yet another John Bates John Bates, head, 38 ag lab, Kintbury Sarah -do-, wife, 39, Hungerford George -do-, son, 9 scholar, Hungerford Lucy -do-, dau, 7 scholar, Kintbury Ann -do-, dau, 2, , Kintbury > However, I did pick up on these marriage references: > 1Q 1848 Hannah EATWELL/Samuel SMART Hungerford 6 255 > 4Q 1840 John BATES/Sarah HOUSE Hungerford 6 345 > > for whom I was given details of this Kintbury family 1851: > > John BATES 38 > Sarah BATES 39 > George BATES 9 > Lucy BATES 7 > Ann BATES 2 this is the family I noticed so what you wrote saves me looking for that marriage > I'm not yet sure where they all fit in! The Hannah Eatwell marriage confuses the issue unless she was widow Eatwell when she married Samuel. The Berks Marriage Index doesn't list a Bates/Eatwell marriage in period 1822-1841. The IGI doesn't have a Hannah Eatwell born 1806-1810 but there is a Hannah Bates bapt. 17 Jan 1808 at Inkpen to John & Hannah. A John Bates married Hannah Lay at Hungerford on 7 Jan 1805. Hannah Lay, bapt. 8 Jun 1774 at Hungerford, to John & Hannah Lay Hannah Smart gives birth place in 1861, 1871 (when she is a widow) and 1881 as Inkpen. There is no baptism on the IGI for a John Bates ca1813 so cannot positively link him to John & Hannah (Lay) but they did have James 16 Nov 1806 and Maria 3 Jun 1810 (IGI Batch C023371) in addition to Hannah. I'll add this Bates family to my database even though there doesn't seem to be any connection to Kingsclere or any of the Bates families I have already. - John Lewis Debian (Sid) with the GeneWeb genealogy package