Hello John An update on Mary Brind I have a copy of the cert Date; Oct 25th 1845 John Bates Widower , his Father listed as John Bates ,Carpenter ,as is he, John Bates snr would have been deceased as in 1831 when brother Daniel was sentenced re the machine riots his Mother was a Widow. the witnesses on this cert are; George and Ann Hughes both John & Elizabeth signed.On the marriage cert for John Bates and Elizabeth Watts Feb 8th 1840 ,he is a bachelor & Elizabeth a spinster .On that cert he lists his Father and himself as Wheelwrights . Witnesses for this marriage are James Watts and the mark of Emma Davis.Both John & Mary Signed. I have received more copies today and will get back to you. regards Beverley ----- Original Message ----- From: "john lewis" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [King] BATES of Kingsclere > On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 21:32:25 +0100 > Nigel Gerdes <[email protected]> wrote: > >> This confirms and extends with James Bates (III) et seq, the tree >> that John has on the Kingsclere Families website. It also >> introduces the older brother, to James, Thomas born ca 1685. There >> is an IGI baptism at Kingsclere 20 Feb 1683 to Thomas and Judith. >> This must be him. > > I have added this Thomas to the family of Thomas & Judith but the > baptism date needs checking as the IGI entry is a member submitted > one. It will actually have birth year as 1684 due to the problem of > dealing with the English year ending in March at that time. > My software will not accept the 1683/84 dating that is really > needed. > > My sets of Kingsclere fiche start at March 1682 so the February > baptism, if correct, will be on the earlier series. > > I think, if memory serves me correctly, that HRO have an indexed > typescript transcription of these early records so it should be a > fairly simple to check if anyone happens to be visiting > Winchester. :-) > >> Additionally one Thomas Bate was a Tithingman of Baughurst in >> 1740-41. > > I am currently adding Nigel's notes re Ham Farm to the page for James > ca1697-1762 and re-reading them reminds me I also need to add the > James (III) Nigel mentions > > -- > John Lewis > Debian (Sid) with the GeneWeb genealogy package > ---------------------------------------- >>From Kingsclere.If you get unsubscribed and did not ask to be >>unsubscribed, please contact List Admin. >>[email protected] > ---------------------------------------- > Changing your Email address, > unsubscribe with your old address and Subscribe to the List with your new > email address. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.15/949 - Release Date: > 12/08/2007 11:03 >