On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 22:26:41 +0100 Nigel Gerdes <[email protected]> wrote: > On Saturday 11 August 2007 15:16, Beverley Smith wrote: > > George Matthews was a > > wheelwright lived in a substanial house rented off the Craven > > estate . He left quite a bit to each of his children on death. > > His first wife Mary Clark , 2nd wife Rose Green. Sophia Bates was > > witness at second marriage. To date we do not know anything about > > Rose Green. > > Now we have the names GREEN and CLARK common to both the Matthews > and Bates families. As a child in Basingstoke the family next door > to us were CLARK and they always said they were an old family from > the North Hampshire area. So far I have spotted a considerable > number of GREEN family members in Baughurst but have not > investigated further. another name (BRIND) to throw into the Matthews/Bates melting pot but first some details re John eldest son of John & Batty Bates 1841 Census, Kintbury Wharf: John Bates, 60, wheelwright, Y Elizabeth -do-, 60, Y Betty -do-, 72, , Y James Watts, 60, joiner?, Y Betty here I think will be Betty Mathews, mother of John and presumably Elizabeth is his wife. The only John/Elizabeth marriage I could find on the IGI was this one:- JOHN BATES & ELIZABETH WOOLFORD, Marriage: 26 Feb 1827, Uffington, Berks. 1851 Census, Kintbury, Berks: John Bates, head, 55, master wheelwright, Kintbury Mary, wife, 45, , Chieveley James Brind, son in law, 18, wheelwright, Beedon Deaths Jun 1844: BATES Elizabeth, Hungerford 6 129 Marriages Dec 1845: BATES John & BRIND Mary, Hungerford 6 386 Mary presumably a widow, there are 3 male Brind deaths in Hungerford RD between 1841 & 1851 but I can't find her for certain in 1841 to get a name for a husband 1861 Census, Market Place, Newbury: George Perkins, head, 55, publican & wheeler, Highclere, Hants John Bates, serv, widr, 60, journeyman wheelwright, Kitbury Mary (Brind) died in Kintbury either Mar Qtr 1852 or Sep Qtr 1855 Deaths Dec 1864: BATES John, Hungerford 2c 156 OK, now for the other Brind connection which was this one: Mary Brind, born about 1818 - North Fawley, Berks Married about December 1841, Wantage RD, to Richard Matthews ca 1818, Hampstead Norris, with John ca 1842-ca 1884 Elizabeth ca 1845 Mark ca 1850 Emily ca 1853 Hannah S ca 1855 Jane A ca 1860 I know Matthews is a common surname but I don't think Brind is anywhere near so common with only 193 baptisms in total on the IGI. -- John Lewis Debian (Sid) with the GeneWeb genealogy package

Hi John According to my extracts we have an anomaly: 'Snipped' from yours > 1841 Census, Kintbury Wharf: > John Bates, 60, wheelwright, Y > Elizabeth -do-, 60, Y > Betty -do-, 72, , Y > James Watts, 60, joiner?, Y I have both John and Elizabeth aged 40 and there is also an Ann in the household listed after Watts[?] but her details, including surname, are illegible. I also found at Lower Templeton Farm, Kintbury: John BATES 69 Ind Hannah 68 Charles 10 Ag lab all born in County These provide some interesting links as I'm told 1851 Kintbury lists Charles BATES 20 Nephew to John BATES 79 Hannah SMART 43 dau Samuel SMART 55 s-in-law Mary EATWELL 11 Vis Sorry, I can't access 1851 via FMP and I was not given full details. However, I did pick up on these marriage references: 1Q 1848 Hannah EATWELL/Samuel SMART Hungerford 6 255 4Q 1840 John BATES/Sarah HOUSE Hungerford 6 345 for whom I was given details of this Kintbury family 1851: John BATES 38 Sarah BATES 39 George BATES 9 Lucy BATES 7 Ann BATES 2 I'm not yet sure where they all fit in! Dorothy J.