Hello Everyone, Hope you have not caught up in the flood, if you have we send you our sympathy and hope the hot weather of Summer will soon arrive to help you recover. Dear old Jim needs our help, please read his plea, can anyone help him, many thanks. Kind regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants. UK [email protected] List Admin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Bates" <[email protected]> To: "BARBARA MALLYON" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 9:53 PM Subject: Help needed! > Hi Barbara, I wonder if you can help or maybe suggest I throw it > onto the > Kingsclere group. > I am getting too old in the tooth my hearing and eyesight is woeful > , I'm > afraid it goes with my age, I was 89 on the 24th April. > > Trying to simplify the problem, for the last twenty years (it seems > longer) have been trying to find where my Sixth Great Grandfather > Thomas > Bate(s) and his wife Maria, got married and where they came from. > They > arrived in KINGSCLERE late 1600's, and had their first child Thomas > baptized > 20th February 1683. This took place in St Mary's Church Kingsclere. > Thomas had another six children but this time the mother was named > Judith. > I have not been able to the find the death of Mary (Maria) or the > marriage > of Thomas to Judith, > > The other problem is that when Thomas died in 3rd October 1706 he > left a > will, naming all seven children and Judith as his executrix. > Then his body disappeared, the burial is not recorded in Hampshir. > > I gave away serious research over two years ago, then a little while > ago > decided to clean up my office, filled up a four litre litter recycle > bin and > found a letter from a Professional researcher which had not read > before. > > In it she said she had found a marriage dated 16th July 1681 of > Thomas Bates > laborer married to Mary Parker both of Wendover. She went on to say > tat no > children were found in the Wendover records. She went on to say that > Wendover to Kingsclere wasn't distance wise and if Thomas had picked > up a > job in a Job Fair that could account for the move > > Of course there could have been some Parkers already in the > Kingsclere area. > > > My family received a nice email from Dorothy Jones enquiring about > my state > of health, so when I replied to her enquiry saying "I was quite > alright for > the state I was in". I then repeated - included most of what is > written > above, when she replied she had been on holiday for two weeks, and > said she > had passed the enquiry on to a Beverley Smith apparently a > researcher into > BATE AND BATES. > > If in any way you can help, I'm afraid I'm developing into an > impatient > so-and-so > With sincere best wishes and hoping this finds you well, Jim > > > > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.12 - Release Date: > 2/10/2006 > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.12/910 - Release Date: > 21/07/2007 15:52 > >

Good morning Barbara I am the Beverley Smith that Jim mentions. I think not proven yet that a John Bates born to James Bates born 8th May 1738 and and Mary Green may be mine they married 1766 .Parents of James Bates were James Bates & Mary Hack this James son of Thomas Bate s and Judith, hope I have that right. I have sent to the Hants R O re the will of James Bates d 1808, which hopefully will mention said John. What has put us on to this line is as follows our John Bates married a Elizabeth Matthews of Hampstead Marshall they lived at Kintbury. A Sophia Bates was a witness to the 2nd marriage of Elizabeth Matthews Father George Matthews to a Rose Green. John Lewis very kindly helped by comparing the signature of this Sophia Bates witness to her signature on her marriage to a Joseph Smith at Kingsclere. Not conclusive but worth exploring as we have no knowledge of where John Bates came from this is the most promising he died 1812 I have not found a will for him. But the name Daniel figures in our family from this time and I have discovered in the Bates of Kingsclere Daniel also figures. Willing to listen to any views or advice from anyone. Of course it would be lovely if the will of James Bates Frobury Farm 1808 mentions a son John Bates at Kintbury. Please pass on my e mail to Jim if it would help. I will if on receiving the list of papers etc I have asked about at Hampshire prove any of this will willingly share the knowledge. I am getting a cousin in N Z to send copies of photos we have but unnamed to me but she is not at all well at the moment and waiting for an operation. Regards and thankyou Beverley Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Mallyon" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 9:40 AM Subject: [King] Message from Jim BATES Help needed! > Hello Everyone, > > Hope you have not caught up in the flood, if you have we send you our > sympathy and hope the hot weather of Summer will soon arrive to help > you recover. > > Dear old Jim needs our help, please read his plea, can anyone help > him, many thanks. > > Kind regards > > Barbara Lewis Mallyon > Basingstoke, Hants. UK > [email protected] > List Admin > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Bates" <[email protected]> > To: "BARBARA MALLYON" <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 9:53 PM > Subject: Help needed! > > >> Hi Barbara, I wonder if you can help or maybe suggest I throw it >> onto the >> Kingsclere group. >> I am getting too old in the tooth my hearing and eyesight is woeful >> , I'm >> afraid it goes with my age, I was 89 on the 24th April. >> >> Trying to simplify the problem, for the last twenty years (it seems >> longer) have been trying to find where my Sixth Great Grandfather >> Thomas >> Bate(s) and his wife Maria, got married and where they came from. >> They >> arrived in KINGSCLERE late 1600's, and had their first child Thomas >> baptized >> 20th February 1683. This took place in St Mary's Church Kingsclere. > >> Thomas had another six children but this time the mother was named >> Judith. >> I have not been able to the find the death of Mary (Maria) or the >> marriage >> of Thomas to Judith, >> >> The other problem is that when Thomas died in 3rd October 1706 he >> left a >> will, naming all seven children and Judith as his executrix. >> Then his body disappeared, the burial is not recorded in Hampshir. >> >> I gave away serious research over two years ago, then a little while >> ago >> decided to clean up my office, filled up a four litre litter recycle >> bin and >> found a letter from a Professional researcher which had not read >> before. >> >> In it she said she had found a marriage dated 16th July 1681 of >> Thomas Bates >> laborer married to Mary Parker both of Wendover. She went on to say >> tat no >> children were found in the Wendover records. She went on to say that >> Wendover to Kingsclere wasn't distance wise and if Thomas had picked >> up a >> job in a Job Fair that could account for the move >> >> Of course there could have been some Parkers already in the >> Kingsclere area. >> >> >> My family received a nice email from Dorothy Jones enquiring about >> my state >> of health, so when I replied to her enquiry saying "I was quite >> alright for >> the state I was in". I then repeated - included most of what is >> written >> above, when she replied she had been on holiday for two weeks, and >> said she >> had passed the enquiry on to a Beverley Smith apparently a >> researcher into >> BATE AND BATES. >> >> If in any way you can help, I'm afraid I'm developing into an >> impatient >> so-and-so >> With sincere best wishes and hoping this finds you well, Jim >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.12 - Release Date: >> 2/10/2006 >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.12/910 - Release Date: >> 21/07/2007 15:52 >> >> > > ---------------------------------------- >>From Kingsclere.If you get unsubscribed and did not ask to be >>unsubscribed, please contact List Admin. >>[email protected] > ---------------------------------------- > Changing your Email address, > unsubscribe with your old address and Subscribe to the List with your new > email address. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.14/912 - Release Date: > 22/07/2007 19:02 >