Hello mike, I'm sorry not to have explained! It's a bit complicated but here goes! As a matter of interest, I've been putting 'flesh on the bones', so to speak, with my family history, for 27 years and I've come a cross many marriages that were just in time and some that, obviously, weren't! The story is that I have been trying to find a man named a James ASLETT, for many, many years. He was, according to my grandmother's marriage certificate, her father (deceased) but, on her birth certificate (dated 1873), where the father's name should be, was a long, black line. That seemed ominous but not definite! I obtained the marriage certificate of James ASLETT to Harriet PARR, in 1864. James's father, it said, was a Peter ASLETT and the only Peter ASLETT, I was able to find, was one on the IGI and the same one on the censuses. He, apparently, came from Farnham, and married a Hannah JEFFERY, on the 7th July 1823, at Kingsclere, Hampshire (from the IGI on-line). Hannah JEFFERY's parents, also, came from Kingsclere so I thought it wouldn't hurt to join the group and ask questions. None of this proved that this Peter was my ancestor but it was somewhere to start. I asked my question and a Dorothy Jones (I hope she doesn't mind my telling her name!) gave me a great deal of help and came up with the 1871 census, which showed Harriet ASLETT (nee Parr - checked) as a widow, and, then, I found I already had a copy of the same document, which I'd forgotten. It's quite obvious that, if James died in 1866, my grandmother, born in 1873, just couldn't be his daughter. Though my great grandmother married James ASLETT, he is not, unfortunately, an ancestor of mine - any more than the man she married many years later, in 1876. Neither of these can I claim a relationship with and it would be misleading to do so. There were no other names of possible fathers and if there were it would be too difficult and dangerous to pick one at random, as the possible father - I don't want someone else's ancestors! So you see, neither I nor my grandmother, actually, have a Kingsclere connection, which is a great pity because in the short time I joined, I was surprised at how more like family it felt (from the emails, I read!) than a Family History mailing list. Harriet ASLETT did remarry, as I said, but not until 1876, when she married an Alfred Powell, and went to live in Wales. Well, about the time I found all this information, I was rushed into hospital to have a very serious operation, and it took me a long while to recover (well over a year). When I, finally, did get better, I'd lost interest in my family history and I didn't want to pick it up again, so got on with other things and completely forgot I'd ever found the marriage certificate and the census. About three weeks ago, I decided, at last, to start again and picked up James and Harriet's marriage certificate, which was a surprise because, as I said, I'd forgotten I'd got it. This led to me joining the group. It's a pity because of the research, little as it may have been, that I did and the excitement I felt at believing that, at last, I'd found my great grandfather - and more! I hope that explains the situation but I don't know how clear I've made it or how unintelligible! - the problem was that I had a senior moment, of which I seem to be getting more just lately! Oh, if you'd like to see just a little of what I have done, to date, you could visit my website - at http://www.jwnewport.co.uk/ It's nowhere near finished and may never be during my lifetime but, at least, I've started again! All the best and kindest regards to all on the list - oh, and my grateful thanks to Dorothy! John -----Original Message----- From: eng-hampshire-kingsclere-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-hampshire-kingsclere-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hutchins Sent: 10 July 2009 14:06 To: Kingsclere Subject: Re: [King] Surnames of CROCKER and WEEDON I should begin by stating that I have no known FH links to either of these families and I realise that the author may not read this response.... however, I think John's reason for curtailing his research of his Kingsclere-linked ancestry raises an interesting point for debate amongst the rest of us. He didn't reveal how he came to an, apparently, definite conclusion about his grandmother's father not being the man his great-grandmother had married. Even if she was born before they married, that's hardly proof that he wasn't the father. There could be any number of reasons why they hadn't married before his grandmother's birth and in the absense of any other evidence I'd continue to research that line while keeping an open-mind about alternative possibilities and look for further records (possibly related to the Kingsclere area and its families) to corroberate or disprove the assumption. Almost every FH researcher must expect to find that illegitimacy was/is not uncommon. I'm sure that many "listers" would have evidence in their trees that the number of months between marriages and first-births in Edwardian, Victorian and earlier times was often rather less than nine. Even if John's grandmother's birth certificate is unusual by actually naming her alleged father (who may not be from Kingsclere area), it still seems a shame that John isn't recognising the value of researching the context of his great-grandmother's relationship with the (Kingsclere) family she married into -- it's termed "putting flesh on the bones" and, for me, adds much to my enjoyment of the FH hobby which would otherwise be just the relentless tracing of names, dates and places. Well, that's my "two penn-'orth". Kind regards..... Mike ------------------------------- > From: john.newport1@ntlworld.com > To: BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk; eng-hampshire-kingsclere@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 20:41:26 +0100 > Subject: Re: [King] Surnames of CROCKER and WEEDON > [extract]...because I had found, after many, many years, my > grandmother's father and his parents and his wife's parents - and they all > came from Kingsclere. > > I was very pleased until I realised that, from the birth certificate, my > grandmother was, obviously, illegitimate - her mother had married the man > but her wasn't the father of her child and so, her father I had started to > trace back with enthusiasm, was not her father! That line now comes to a > full stop, which is such a pity. > > I was going to ask so many questions but, unfortunately, there's no point > now as he's not my ancestor. _________________________________________________________________ Share your photos with Windows Live Photos - Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/134665338/direct/01/ --------------------------------------- >From Kingsclere. ALL SURNAMES IN CAPITAL LETTERS PLEASE. --------------------------------------- If you get unsubscribed and did not ask to be unsubscribed, please email eng-hampshire-kingsclere-admin@rootsweb.com --------------------------------------- Make sure your Anti Virus Protection is updated and do a weekly backup of your files. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HAMPSHIRE-KINGSCLERE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:36:00 +0100 "John Newport" <john.newport1@ntlworld.com> wrote: > I obtained the marriage certificate of James ASLETT to Harriet PARR, > in 1864. James's father, it said, was a Peter ASLETT and the only > Peter ASLETT, I was able to find, was one on the IGI and the same one > on the censuses. He, apparently, came from Farnham, and married a > Hannah JEFFERY, on the 7th July 1823, at Kingsclere, Hampshire (from > the IGI on-line). Hannah JEFFERY's parents, also, came from > Kingsclere so I thought it wouldn't hurt to join the group and ask > questions. Hannah Jeffery did indeed marry Peter (H)Aslett at St. Mary on 7 July 1823, register entry 186 with witnesses William Smith & Hannah Hutchings Peter Haslett was born in Basingstoke and baptised there on 12 Sept 1802, son of James and Elizabeth Minchin who married at Basingstoke on 1 Oct 1801. I found 3 more children born in B'stoke, one recorded with surname as Aslett Hannah Jeffery, spinster of Ashford Hill had an illegitimate son, Joseph, bapt at St Mary on 27 Apr 1823 entry 820. there is a second entry in baptism register dated 11 May (entry 824) for Joseph illegitmate son of Hannah Jeffrey, spinster of Ashford Hill The first entry has 'J Holding officiating minister' and the second Thos Nichols as performing the ceremony, otherwise details are the same Given the closeness of the baptism and marriage I think it highly likely Peter Aslett was the father. I eventually found the baptism for Hannah Jeffery daughter of Thomas & Mary of Fair Oak on 3 Apr 1803 (I had been led astray by the Hants Bapt Index which had the name as Thomas) Thomas Jeffery was a son of Jacob & Grace (Moore) who married at St. Mary on 15 May 1744, both were of Kingsclere Parish. I don't currently have anything earlier although various entries do suggest Jeffery connections to Kingsclere back as early as 1606 with the burial of a Joan Jefferies, widow So far so good, my next job is to trace the sons of Peter and Hannah through the census entries -- John Lewis Debian & the GeneWeb genealogical data server

On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:36:00 +0100 "John Newport" <john.newport1@ntlworld.com> wrote: > The story is that I have been trying to find a man named a James > ASLETT, for many, many years. He was, according to my grandmother's > marriage certificate, her father (deceased) but, on her birth > certificate (dated 1873), where the father's name should be, was a > long, black line. That seemed ominous but not definite! > > I obtained the marriage certificate of James ASLETT to Harriet PARR, > in 1864. James's father, it said, was a Peter ASLETT and the only > Peter ASLETT, I was able to find, was one on the IGI and the same one > on the censuses. He, apparently, came from Farnham, and married a > Hannah JEFFERY, on the 7th July 1823, at Kingsclere, Hampshire (from > the IGI on-line). Hannah JEFFERY's parents, also, came from > Kingsclere so I thought it wouldn't hurt to join the group and ask > questions. > > None of this proved that this Peter was my ancestor but it was > somewhere to start. > > I asked my question and a Dorothy Jones (I hope she doesn't mind my > telling her name!) gave me a great deal of help and came up with the > 1871 census, which showed Harriet ASLETT (nee Parr - checked) as a > widow, and, then, I found I already had a copy of the same document, > which I'd forgotten. > > It's quite obvious that, if James died in 1866, my grandmother, born > in 1873, just couldn't be his daughter. Though my great grandmother > married James ASLETT, he is not, unfortunately, an ancestor of mine - > any more than the man she married many years later, in 1876. Neither > of these can I claim a relationship with and it would be misleading > to do so. My own researches into this do seem to confirm what John says A James Aslett married Harriet Elizabeth Parr, Sep Qtr 1864, Mile End RD There is no sign of James in 1871 but Harriet is in Poplar. I cannot find a death on FreeBMD for James that I am happy with in 1866 as this one:- Deaths Dec 1866: Aslett James, 47, Farnham 2a 59 would make him born ca1819 whereas the records for James son of Peter and Hannah make him born ca1833 in Farnham. 1871 Census, Sarah Street, Poplar: Harriet Aslett, visitor, wid, 33, gen servant, Exning Suffolk Births Sep 1873: ASLETT Emily Harriet, Poplar 1c 609 It is this birth which has no father recorded on the birth cert, she is listed on John's online family tree as a grandparent Harriet Aslett married Alfred Powell, Sep Qtr 1876, IOW RD 1881 Census, has Alfred & Harriet living in Devonshire Terrace, Shanklin, IOW Alfred died Jun Qtr 1882 IOW 1891 Census, Exning, Suffolk: William Parr, head, 75, farm lab, Exning Sarah -do-. wife, 76, , Soham Cambs Harriet Powell, dau, wid, 50, nurse, Exning I haven't attempted to trace Harriet any further than this, if Harriet was a widow as recorded in the 1871 Census then James could not be the father of Emily Harriet and it is very unlikely that Alfred Powell was as he was living in Shanklin in 1871. The 1871 census, when she was a visitor in household of Alfred and Susannah Thompson, gives no clues other than that Susannah may be a sister as she too was born in Exning. I haven't found Emily Harriet Aslett in the 1881 Census but John has her marrying a John James Newport in 1890 in Cambridge. This would make her age only 17 and this is in fact the age given for her in the 1891 Census when she is recorded as the dau-in-law of George Newport who has a son John J age 23. all in all a useful exercise and I have added to the existing (H)Aslet(t)s in my database as well -- John Lewis Debian & the GeneWeb genealogical data server