On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 19:22:00 +1000 "Joe Twitchin" <jo.boy@bigpond.com> wrote: > John I have just looked up my records regarding deaths in Islington > and found theses which *may* relate to the Francis/Eliza family. > Henry age 0 4th qtr 1850 ref 3 812 > Francis Walter age 0 4th qtr 1850 ref 3 810 > Eliza 3rd qtr (age not stated) 1856 ref 1b 113 > No sign of father Francis. Thanks Joe, I'll follow up on family of Francis & Eliza later. I persevered with the Wm Tarrant approach and found in HBapI a William born in Micheldever in 1817 and then found him in the 1851 Census NOT 1861 Census living next door to Francis and Eliza, Francis age 33, railway lab, born Micheldever so this fits with the Francis son of Richard & Caroline bapt 28 Nov 1817. His wife Eliza age 29 was born in Ecchinswell There is no Eliza Tidbury born 1822 in HBapI but there is an EGLAH illegitimate dau of Sarah Tidbury of North Sydmonton bapt on 27 Jan 1822. The actual entry in Baptism Register is hard to read but it does look like Eglah or Ealah rather than Eliza I already have her as EULAH Tidbury ca1822 in the database, her mother Sarah (ca1800, dau of William & Charlotte Andrews) had another illegitimate dau, Hannah in 1833, before marrying William Kewell in 1826. So that seems to have answered Nigel's original question regarding Eliza's origins. It looks rather like Francis & Eliza were not married when the 1851 Census was taken but doesn't explain why I cant find them in 1861. The Francis, son of John & Rosa Ann, born in Kingsclere in 1831 has to be the 18mth old Francis of Market Place buried at St. Mary in Mar 1833 -- John Lewis Debian & the GeneWeb genealogical data server