Hi John and list, To take it a bit further........ James Hussey b ca 1815 and his wife Emma are to be found in the 1861 census at Fair Oak, Kingsclere where he is a Baker Master i.e. running his own business. This ties up well with the Kingsclere Woodlands book saying he started the business ca 1860. In the 1861 census Emma gives a birthplace of Mapledurwell, Hants (which is just east of Basingstoke and famous for its watercress beds.) John indicated a widow Emma Ke(a)sley nee Lawes in the 1861 with her parents. Emma gives her birthplace as Basingstoke. Since we have two Emma's in the 1861 it looks to me as if it is another Emma Ke(a)rsley who married James Hussey and not Emma Lawes as a widow Ke(a)rsley. And I think the wife of James Hussey will prove to be Emma Kersley born ca 1822 to William and Letitia Kersley nee Prince. Her father was a baker and grocer and had been baptised at Mapledurwell on 12 May 1793 with a mother Sarah Kersley who was born ca 1773. Now we can see how James Hussey moved from being a woodman to a baker, he may well have learnt the trade from his new father in law and then set up on his own. He might even have met his future wife while supplying wood for burning at the bakery. In the 1851 census William Kersley b ca 1793 was at Monk Sherborne and his daughter Emma was with him. Regards, Nigel Note: No sign of a baptism for Emma at Mapledurwell in the Hampshire Baptism Index. > Whilst looking at the Husseys in Kingsclere I decided to find out who > the wife of the James Hussey who founded Hussey's Bakery actually was. > > 'Kingsclere Woodlands Story' says James Hussey started the business at > the age of 45 in about 1960........, he married Emma (nee Kearlsey) from > Mapledurham. > > I could not find any baptism for an Emma Kersley and I think > Mapledurham is wrong for birthplace although the 1861 Census has her > born Mappeldurham. Later Census have it as Mapledurwell. > > Marriages Mar 1857: HUSSEY James & Kearsley/Kersley Emma, Southampton > 2c 7 > > So I looked for in Census records for an Emma Kearsley/Kersley and found > > 1851 Census, Eastrop Lane, Basingstoke: > William Lawes, head, M, 55, carpenter, Basingstoke > Pamela Lawes, dau, 22, dress maker, Basingstoke > Emma Kersley, dau, wid, 26, miliner, Basingstoke > Pamela Kersley, gr-dau, 1, -, Basingstoke > > the child is > Births Jun 1850: Kersley Isabel Pamela, Basingstoke 7 56 > > and this marriage/death to match the census record > > Marriages Sep 1847: KEARSLEY Tom & LAWES Emma, Basingstoke 7 95 > Deaths Dec 1849: Kersley Tom, Basingstoke 7 41 > > Now for Emma LAWES, there is a baptism entry on 18 Jul 1824 in > Basingstoke for Emma, dau of William & Hannah LAWS. > > There are other baptism entries for children of William & Hannah LAWES. > Elizabeth ca 1813, Church Oakley > Stephen ca 1817, Cliddesden > William ca 1820, Ellisfield > George ca 1822, Ellisfield > Pamela ca 1829, Basingstoke > > the birth year of last of these matches that of the 22 year old > Pamela in the 1851 Census mentioned earlier, so I think they are all > siblings of Emma. > > Ther is no marriage for William & Hannah in the Hants Marriage Index > but this marriage from the IGI fits the age of first child > > WILLIAM LAWES & HANNAH MARSHMAN, 11 JAN 1813, Thatcham, Berks > and the 1861 Census seems to confirm this > > 1861 Census, London Street, Basingstoke: > Emma Kersley, head, wid, 35, milliner & dress maker, Basingstoke > // > William Laws, head, 64, carpenter & builder, Baughurst > Ann -do-, wife, 64, -, Thatcham > // > > the date of the Hussey/Kearsley marriage meant some of the children > recorded for James Hussey in the 1861 Census were born before that > marriage. > > So who was their mother, a check in the Bapt Index showed a James with > wife Mary Anne having children in Monk Sherborne. KWS says James came > from there, and the Marriage Index has this entry: > > 24 Dec 1835, Hussey James, Spencer Mary Ann, Pamber > > 1841 Census, Monk Sherborne > James Hussey, 25, woodman, Y > Mary Hussey, 22, -, Y > George Hussey, 5, -, Y > Betsy Hussey, 3, -, Y > Mary Hussey, 1, -, Y > > The 1851 Census has wife as Mary Ann, age 32, born Monk Sherborne > > It seems likely she died as result of birth of the youngest son of > this marriage: > Births Jun 1853: Hussey John, Basingstoke 2c 144 > Deaths Jun 1853: Hussey Mary Ann, Basingstoke 2c 107 > > I don't have an email address for Gary Cusworth or Roger Dobbs (authors > of KWS) but perhaps someone could pass this info on the them for > inclusion in a possible revised edition and perhaps the living Husseys > would be interested ;-) >

On Tue, 11 May 2010 19:11:29 +0100 Nigel St C Gerdes <nigel.gerdes@milnet.uk.net> wrote: > Hi John and list, > > To take it a bit further........ > > James Hussey b ca 1815 and his wife Emma are to be found in the 1861 > census at Fair Oak, Kingsclere where he is a Baker Master i.e. > running his own business. This ties up well with the Kingsclere > Woodlands book saying he started the business ca 1860. In the 1861 > census Emma gives a birthplace of Mapledurwell, Hants (which is just > east of Basingstoke and famous for its watercress beds.) > > John indicated a widow Emma Ke(a)sley nee Lawes in the 1861 with her > parents. Emma gives her birthplace as Basingstoke. > > Since we have two Emma's in the 1861 it looks to me as if it is > another Emma Ke(a)rsley who married James Hussey and not Emma Lawes > as a widow Ke(a)rsley. > > And I think the wife of James Hussey will prove to be Emma Kersley > born ca 1822 to William and Letitia Kersley nee Prince. Her father > was a baker and grocer and had been baptised at Mapledurwell on 12 > May 1793 with a mother Sarah Kersley who was born ca 1773. Now we can > see how James Hussey moved from being a woodman to a baker, he may > well have learnt the trade from his new father in law and then set up > on his own. He might even have met his future wife while supplying > wood for burning at the bakery. > > In the 1851 census William Kersley b ca 1793 was at Monk Sherborne > and his daughter Emma was with him. I had already realized that it will need the marriage certificate to establish for certain who Emma was. I didn't find the second Emma when looking at for Kersley in the the 1851 Census. So I will have another look. I agree with you there is no baptism for an Emma in Mapledurwell and that was one factor which stopped me looking for an Emma Kersley once I'd found the Lawes/Kersley connection. I have now ordered the marriage cert for James & Emma and hope that will sort this out once and for all. -- John Lewis Debian & the GeneWeb genealogical data server

On Tue, 11 May 2010 19:11:29 +0100 Nigel St C Gerdes <nigel.gerdes@milnet.uk.net> wrote: > Since we have two Emma's in the 1861 it looks to me as if it is > another Emma Ke(a)rsley who married James Hussey and not Emma Lawes > as a widow Ke(a)rsley. > > And I think the wife of James Hussey will prove to be Emma Kersley > born ca 1822 to William and Letitia Kersley nee Prince. Her father > was a baker and grocer and had been baptised at Mapledurwell on 12 > May 1793 with a mother Sarah Kersley who was born ca 1773. Now we can > see how James Hussey moved from being a woodman to a baker, he may > well have learnt the trade from his new father in law and then set up > on his own. He might even have met his future wife while supplying > wood for burning at the bakery. I have to admit I was wrong in thinking it was Emma Lawes that married James Hussey, Emma Kersley, widow is to be found in census records from 1851 to 1891, in 1871 she has her daughter Isabel P living with her in Basingstoke, so couldn't possibly be the Emma who married in 1857. I already had the William & Letita Kearsley family in the database as I think it was their son Thomas (Tom) who married Emma Lawes (but I could just as well be wrong on this score also, so must look for a Tom Kersley to be on the safe side). I didn't have Letitia's maiden name as I hadn't found a marriage so will be interested in knowing that details please Nigel. I realised after ordering the Marriage Cert that both Emma's had a father named William! So it won't be conclusive proof after all :-( -- John Lewis Debian & the GeneWeb genealogical data server

On Tue, 11 May 2010 19:11:29 +0100 Nigel St C Gerdes <nigel.gerdes@milnet.uk.net> wrote: > In the 1851 census William Kersley b ca 1793 was at Monk Sherborne > and his daughter Emma was with him. P.S. No wonder I didn't find them. Ancestry has transcribed name as HEISLEY -- John Lewis Debian & the GeneWeb genealogical data server