Chuck and list, I know that sinking feeling when you have a really common name to research. I started out about eight years ago thinking Smith was going to be impossible but I found two things, if one could get prior to 1800, the mobility of most families decreases sharply, apart from the steady migration to London from the country, and the size of the UK population and thus its density drops sharply, making it possible to do single name studies in an area in order to use every scrap of data to work out who was who. We have a family story that my Smiths on my father's side are linked to a Sgt John Smith of Ticknall, Derbyshire who won a VC in India, but I cannot find a connection other than getting shoemakers in both Smith twigs and the Herbert family having estates in both places. While my mother's Smith family is Kingsclere/Kingsclere Woodlands and Hannington, I did have to look at North Wiltshire Smiths a while back to disprove a possible connection on my father's Smith family. There were masses of Smith's in North Wilts it seems to be a hot spot like Kingsclere/Baughurst. Has anybody looked at the PRs of Lydiard Millicent ca 1828 to extract the names of William's parents for you? If not, I can do that for you since I live just half an hour from the Wiltshire Record Centre which has the PRs. I see your William was a beer retailer, so his connection with Kingsclere leading to meeting his future wife, might be trade based since Kingsclere has a favourable micro-climate being tucked under the lee of the North Hampshire Downs and combined with the local geology and soils produced very fine quality barley for brewing beer until the soils became overworked. Perhaps we need to continue off list since we are are getting away from the focus of Kingsclere. Regards, Nigel Gerdes > My current detailed information on William SMITH (b.1828) can be found on > the Kingsclere genealogy website at > > http://startx.co.uk:2317/Kingsclere?i=23900 > > Note that my Kingsclere connection is through his wife, Georgiana Emily > Thorne, d/o James THORNE and Jane HILLYAR. > > William's birth information is from a slip of very, very old paper handed > down in my family that says William Smith was born in the parish of Lydiard > Millicent, Wilts, Old England, December 19, 1828. > > William and Georgiana SMITH resided in Lydiard Tregoze, Wilts, until the > time they immigrated to Chicago, IL, United States in 1877. William was a > grocer and possibly a beer merchant (trades unfortunately lost to my family > other than from a consumers point of view...). > > Any more information or connection to these families would be welcome, > including any ideas on how my GGGparents could have met between the > Lydiards and Kingclere back in 1860. I keep looking for clues on my SMITH > ancestry, and the common names are stifling on research. > > Regards, > > Chuck Smith > > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-hampshire-kingsclere-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-hampshire-kingsclere-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nigel > St C Gerdes > Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 10:39 AM > To: eng-hampshire-kingsclere@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [King] Poaching at Bucklebury & trial at Reading February 1863 > > I too would be interested in the report. Like Chuck, I collect Kingsclere > Smiths since back to 1600 in Kingsclere they are my mother's family. > > Stephen Smith is very interesting because I have an earlier Stephen Smith > of > Newtown in my father's family tree and Stephen was not a common name. > > Kingsclere had the highest numbers of Smith per 1000 population of anywhere > in > England in the 1881 census. Baughurst is the hot spot for them. So clearly > they had been very well established in the area for a long time and/or > there > > is a lot of Romany blood since Smith was a popular choice of surname. The > heathlands attracted many Romany into the area. > > Chuck: Do you have an estimated birth date for your William? > > Regards, > > Nigel Gerdes > > > I would be interested in the report. Still trying to determine why or > > how my gggf William smith from wilts married georgiena thorne from > > kingsclere. I figure there has to be family in the area. So I've been > > 'collecting' kingsclere smiths especially those near > > Ecchingswell. Some day I may find the link and get a clue to William > > smith's ancestors. > > > > Regards > > > > -chuck smith > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Sep 1, 2009, at 4:38 AM, Gbsoper49@aol.com wrote: > > > I have just been investigating a trial in Reading in which one of my > > > ancestors was involved, he was found not guilty. There were eight > > > men charged, > > > as below:- > > > > > > Stephen Smith,23, Charles Smith,19, James Hutchins,22, David > > > Hutchins,27, > > > James Blackney,34, Henry Rabbits,21, Henry Clarke, 25, and Charles > > > Smith,19. > > > > > > All the accused appear to be from Kingsclere area, most from > > > Ashford Hill. > > > I think I have identified the first six, they are all on John Lewis's > > > site, the first two Smiths are brothers. The last two I cannot > > > identify with > > > certainty. In addition there are various witnesses mentioned, > > > probably the > > > most significant is Eli Butler, brother in law to Stephen & Charles > > > Smith. > > > Brothers George & Charles Cotterell are also mentioned. > > > > > > The poaching occured in December 1862 at Corbyn's wood, Bucklebury. > > > > > > Four of the accused were found guilty, Stephen Smith,23, Charles > > > Smith,19, > > > Henry Rabbits,21 & Henry Clarke, 25. > > > > > > If anybody is interested I have copies of report from Berkshire > > > Chronicle > > > or a word document with transcript of report, subject to my typing > > > errors.I > > > will send them off list to anyone who contacts me. > > > > > > Gerald > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------- > > > > > >> From Kingsclere. 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Debbie and list, Many thanks for the extra info, it brings resolution to the 1853 and 1854 deaths for two named William Kewell. Yes indeed, the offspring of Robert Kewell, Martha Chandler, and her second husband John Cooper are complex for parentage, and since some of the children did not marry we may never know the who exactly who the father was in some cases. Martha must have worked hard to bring up her family having been twice widowed. In 1891 she was a laundress (horrible work of very low status, often undertaken by those struggling to keep out of the workhouse) but by 1901 she is a retailer of beer at The Vine Inn in Newbury. Oh, to be able to sit them down and hear their stories. Does anybody have a first marriage for John Cooper b ca 1841 Basildon, Berks with a son Thomas W. Cooper b ca 1868 Newbury, Berks? It look like Caroline Pocock nee Birchley is the mother in law of Jane Kewell, but I have not yet seen a baptism for Jane's husband Thomas to place him in his family, there is a gap at just the right time for him ca 1824 and it looks as if he was a replacement child for an older Thomas who died very young using the data on John's website. Thomas was a bricklayer so was James the husband of Caroline. Ten years earlier James was a mason. It looks high probable this is the right family for Thomas Pocock b ca 1824 East Woodhay. Regards, Nigel > Nigel > > Just to add to your information. Robert Kewell (b.1834) and Martha Chandler > (b. 1842) also had two sons: > > Joseph Kewell who was baptised on 20th January 1868 in Enborne (IGI). > Joseph was buried on 5th February 1871 in Enborne (Berkshire Burial > Index). > > William Charles Kewell, baptised on 3rd March 1867 in Enborne (IGI). I > haven't yet looked for William after the 1871 census. In 1871 the family > can be found living in Enborne indexed under the surname Hewell. > > The Alice Kewell born c.1875 cannot be the daughter of Robert Kewell and > Martha Chandler as Robert Kewell died in 1873 in Enborne and was buried on > 15th April 1873 in Enborne age 37 years. I presume she was born > illegitimately after Robert's death. > > William Kewell (b.1781 Ecchinswell) died on 24th October 1854 in East > Woodhay (I have a copy of his death certificate). Caroline Pocock was the > informant. I have been told though I haven't checked that Caroline is the > mother of William's son-in-law Thomas Pocock. > > Best wishes > > Debbie Kennett > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------- > > >From Kingsclere. ALL SURNAMES IN CAPITAL LETTERS PLEASE. > > --------------------------------------- > If you get unsubscribed and did not ask to be unsubscribed, please email > eng-hampshire-kingsclere-admin@rootsweb.com > --------------------------------------- > Make sure your Anti Virus Protection is updated and do a weekly backup of > your files. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-HAMPSHIRE-KINGSCLERE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Many thanks Beverley, unfortunately I don't have any information about her parents. The marriage record states that she was from Longparish but a kind lister looked at the PR for Longparish but failed to find her. Hannah has been a brick wall of mine for many years. Regards Sheila NSW Subject: Re: [King] RANDALL > Hi! Sheila > Do you have any idea of parents for Hannah?I'll keep a look out for you. > Regards Beverley

Nigel Just to add to your information. Robert Kewell (b.1834) and Martha Chandler (b. 1842) also had two sons: Joseph Kewell who was baptised on 20th January 1868 in Enborne (IGI). Joseph was buried on 5th February 1871 in Enborne (Berkshire Burial Index). William Charles Kewell, baptised on 3rd March 1867 in Enborne (IGI). I haven't yet looked for William after the 1871 census. In 1871 the family can be found living in Enborne indexed under the surname Hewell. The Alice Kewell born c.1875 cannot be the daughter of Robert Kewell and Martha Chandler as Robert Kewell died in 1873 in Enborne and was buried on 15th April 1873 in Enborne age 37 years. I presume she was born illegitimately after Robert's death. William Kewell (b.1781 Ecchinswell) died on 24th October 1854 in East Woodhay (I have a copy of his death certificate). Caroline Pocock was the informant. I have been told though I haven't checked that Caroline is the mother of William's son-in-law Thomas Pocock. Best wishes Debbie Kennett

Hello: For years, about 49-50 have been searching for parents of my gg-grandfather, known as John "Charles" Homans; surname Homans could be the name that he picked to use when landing in Nova Scotia, purchased 100 acres of land in 1847. He only said he was born England, no mention of parents etc. However some time before he died in N.S. in 1899 age 80; A gentleman named Mr. Major came to visit Charles as he was known here. Mr. Major was second husband of mother (no first name or surname) of Charles. I do have some pictures that were found among items of Charles after he died. One, could be picture of his parents on tin plate, taken in Canterbury, also other pictures. I keep looking and hope to solve my mystery. Surname could have been Holden/Holmans. Thank you very much, Jacquie in Nova Scotia ----- Original Message ----- From: "john lewis" <zen57162@zen.co.uk> To: <eng-hampshire-kingsclere@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 9:51 AM Subject: Re: [King] Holley Family > On Tue, 8 Sep 2009 19:03:26 EDT > DEBBIEKENNETT@aol.com wrote: > >> The MAJORS also link in with the TIDBURYS but I have no record of a >> Martha MAJOR. > > I have just established that she was _not_ the Martha Rose Major > baptised at St. Giles Reading on 11 Jun 1837, with parents Thomas & > Maria as Martha Rose was married on 14 August 1850, St. Giles, Reading, > to Charles John Dowling ca 1831 and had 8 children between then & 1869 > > Thomas Major was baptised at Southill, Beds on 12 April 1794 and buried > London Road Cemetery, Reading on 21 Jun 1863. Maria was buried at St. > Giles, Reading on 23 Sep 1849 age 51. I haven't found their marriage > > 1851 Census, 3 Mana Court, St. Giles, Reading: > Charles J Dowling, head, 19, foundry lab, Reading > Martha -do-, wife, 17, , Reading > 1851 Census, 2 Mana Court, St. Giles Reading: > Charlotte -do-, wife, 47, , Reading > > The Charlotte above was Charles John's mother and she had married a > John Dowling ca1806 Faringdon, Berks some time around 1828 but haven't > been able to find a marriage on the IGI > > So we are still left with the mystery as to who Edward Holley actually > married. The marriage entry has no father recorded for Martha. She was > recorded as a 36 year old spinster, domestic servant of Kingsclere. > > The 1861 Census has a Martha Major, servant, un-married age 22, born > Reading in household of Edward & Maria Wigg, farmer of Basing. This > would make her born 1839 and further searching in 1851 Census has her > living in Kingsclere > > 1851 Census, Turnpike Road, Kingsclere > George Bartley, head, 28, gen lab, Kingsclere > Eliza Bartley, wife, 35, , Aldworth, Berks > Martha Majors, dau, 13, scholar, Reading > Eliza Bartley, dau, 3, , Reading > > I have a George Bartley born ca1821, Kingsclere Dell and FreeBMD has > this marriage: > Dec 1841: BARTLEY George & MAJOR Eliza, Reading 6 413 > > but no sign of a Martha Major (or Mager) in FreeBMD from Sep 1837-1841 > but IGI comes up trumps > > MARTHA MAGER, Christening: 26 AUG 1838, Aldworth, Berks, > Mother: ELIZA MAGER > > So I think mystery is solved ;-) > > -- > John Lewis > Debian & the GeneWeb genealogical data server > --------------------------------------- >>From Kingsclere. ALL SURNAMES IN CAPITAL LETTERS PLEASE. > --------------------------------------- > If you get unsubscribed and did not ask to be unsubscribed, please email > eng-hampshire-kingsclere-admin@rootsweb.com > --------------------------------------- > Make sure your Anti Virus Protection is updated and do a weekly backup of > your files. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-HAMPSHIRE-KINGSCLERE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 15:36:52 +0100 Bob Hutchins <bob@bobhutchins.me.uk> wrote: > On Thu, 2009-09-10 at 15:18 +0100, john lewis wrote: > > On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 14:51:07 +0100 > > john lewis <zen57162@zen.co.uk> wrote: > > > > > MARTHA MAGER, Christening: 26 AUG 1838, Aldworth, Berks, > > > Mother: ELIZA MAGER > > > > > > So I think mystery is solved ;-) > > > > Also Eliza is a widow living next door to the Holley's in 1871 > > Household Members: > Eliza Bartley 56 > Elizabeth A S Major 8 Grand daughter > > Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 1246; Folio: 45; Page: 23; GSU > roll: 827837. > > Name: Elizabeth Ann Steel Major Year of Registration: 1862 Quarter of > Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar District: Kingsclere (1837-1932) County: > Hampshire Volume: 2c Page: > > So this must be baseborn daughter for Martha baptism entry 2182, St. Mary, Kingsclere Jan 22 1862, Elizabeth Ann Steel, Martha Major, Turnpike Road Kingsclere, spinster, R Nelson Barnes Vicar -- John Lewis Debian & the GeneWeb genealogical data server

On Thu, 2009-09-10 at 15:18 +0100, john lewis wrote: > On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 14:51:07 +0100 > john lewis <zen57162@zen.co.uk> wrote: > > > MARTHA MAGER, Christening: 26 AUG 1838, Aldworth, Berks, > > Mother: ELIZA MAGER > > > > So I think mystery is solved ;-) > Also Eliza is a widow living next door to the Holley's in 1871 Household Members: Eliza Bartley 56 Elizabeth A S Major 8 Grand daughter Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 1246; Folio: 45; Page: 23; GSU roll: 827837. Name: Elizabeth Ann Steel Major Year of Registration: 1862 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar District: Kingsclere (1837-1932) County: Hampshire Volume: 2c Page: So this must be baseborn daughter for Martha -- Genealogy Web Database http://www.bobhutchins.me.uk Bob recommends Linux Ubuntu 9.04

On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 14:51:07 +0100 john lewis <zen57162@zen.co.uk> wrote: > MARTHA MAGER, Christening: 26 AUG 1838, Aldworth, Berks, > Mother: ELIZA MAGER > > So I think mystery is solved ;-) especially as I found Eliza baptised 19 Feb 1815 at Aldworth with parents Richard & Martha and siblings: Sarah ca 1816 Harriet ca 1818 Mary Ann ca 1820 William ca 1824 Elizabeth ca 1827 Richard 1831 I think Richard married Martha Thatcher at East Hendred on 13 Mar 1813. the IGI has not helped find births for either Richard or Martha -- John Lewis Debian & the GeneWeb genealogical data server

On Tue, 8 Sep 2009 19:03:26 EDT DEBBIEKENNETT@aol.com wrote: > The MAJORS also link in with the TIDBURYS but I have no record of a > Martha MAJOR. I have just established that she was _not_ the Martha Rose Major baptised at St. Giles Reading on 11 Jun 1837, with parents Thomas & Maria as Martha Rose was married on 14 August 1850, St. Giles, Reading, to Charles John Dowling ca 1831 and had 8 children between then & 1869 Thomas Major was baptised at Southill, Beds on 12 April 1794 and buried London Road Cemetery, Reading on 21 Jun 1863. Maria was buried at St. Giles, Reading on 23 Sep 1849 age 51. I haven't found their marriage 1851 Census, 3 Mana Court, St. Giles, Reading: Charles J Dowling, head, 19, foundry lab, Reading Martha -do-, wife, 17, , Reading 1851 Census, 2 Mana Court, St. Giles Reading: Charlotte -do-, wife, 47, , Reading The Charlotte above was Charles John's mother and she had married a John Dowling ca1806 Faringdon, Berks some time around 1828 but haven't been able to find a marriage on the IGI So we are still left with the mystery as to who Edward Holley actually married. The marriage entry has no father recorded for Martha. She was recorded as a 36 year old spinster, domestic servant of Kingsclere. The 1861 Census has a Martha Major, servant, un-married age 22, born Reading in household of Edward & Maria Wigg, farmer of Basing. This would make her born 1839 and further searching in 1851 Census has her living in Kingsclere 1851 Census, Turnpike Road, Kingsclere George Bartley, head, 28, gen lab, Kingsclere Eliza Bartley, wife, 35, , Aldworth, Berks Martha Majors, dau, 13, scholar, Reading Eliza Bartley, dau, 3, , Reading I have a George Bartley born ca1821, Kingsclere Dell and FreeBMD has this marriage: Dec 1841: BARTLEY George & MAJOR Eliza, Reading 6 413 but no sign of a Martha Major (or Mager) in FreeBMD from Sep 1837-1841 but IGI comes up trumps MARTHA MAGER, Christening: 26 AUG 1838, Aldworth, Berks, Mother: ELIZA MAGER So I think mystery is solved ;-) -- John Lewis Debian & the GeneWeb genealogical data server

Hi! Sheila Do you have any idea of parents for Hannah?I'll keep a look out for you. Regards Beverley i ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sheila Tutton" <tutton@fishinternet.com.au> To: <eng-hampshire-kingsclere@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 2:30 PM Subject: [King] RANDALL > Lots of mentions of the name RANDALL on the list over the last week or > two. > > I am looking for the Bapt. of HANNAH RANDALL about 1790. > > 1851 census says Hannah born Highclere but she isn't in the PR's > Hannah died Oct 1851 and buried Highclere. > > Hannah married John BLACKFORD 26 Mar 1812 at Burghclere. > > If you site a Hannah when doing your research I would love to hear from > you. > > Regards > Sheila > NSW > > > --------------------------------------- >>From Kingsclere. ALL SURNAMES IN CAPITAL LETTERS PLEASE. > --------------------------------------- > If you get unsubscribed and did not ask to be unsubscribed, please email > eng-hampshire-kingsclere-admin@rootsweb.com > --------------------------------------- > Make sure your Anti Virus Protection is updated and do a weekly backup of > your files. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-HAMPSHIRE-KINGSCLERE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.89/2359 - Release Date: 09/10/09 05:50:00

Lots of mentions of the name RANDALL on the list over the last week or two. I am looking for the Bapt. of HANNAH RANDALL about 1790. 1851 census says Hannah born Highclere but she isn't in the PR's Hannah died Oct 1851 and buried Highclere. Hannah married John BLACKFORD 26 Mar 1812 at Burghclere. If you site a Hannah when doing your research I would love to hear from you. Regards Sheila NSW

Hi John and list, I have been digging further into the Kewell family and can add some more to what John has on his recently updated website. Sarah Kewell born in 1841 to William and Sarah Kewell nee Tidbury did not die in 1845. She was alive and well in 1861 living as a visitor at East Woodhay in the h/h of Nathaniel Pocock who had been born at Kingsclere . Next door was her sister Jane b ca 1828 who had married Thomas Pocock in 1859, They (Thomas and Jane) had two children Joseph Pocock age 12 and Catherine Pocock age 4. Sarah married in 1861 Thomas Ayre(s) FreeBMD Kingsclere 3Q 2c 363. Her brother Robert Kewell b ca 1834 married Martha Chandler ( b ca 1842 Chisbury Wilts) on the 23 June 1866 at Enborne Berks and died in 1873 FreeBMD Newbury 2c 143 with a given age of 37. Martha had two daughters Anna Elizabeth Kewell in 1871 and Alice Kewell ca 1875 and went on to marry John Cooper (b 1841 Basildon ,Berks ) in 1878 with a son Frederick R. Cooper born in Newbury in 1880. John had another son Thomas W. Cooper who had been born in 1868 at Newbury. Alice is a detached twig on John's website but now she can be linked in. Her sister Anna Elizabeth died in 1901 (Newbury RD). Anna Elizabeth was with her mother in the 1891 census as a visitor. Sarah's sister Mary Ann Kewell b ca 1832 married John Coventry in 1854 and the details of their family is already on John's website. Her brother Henry Kewell b ca 1831 married Eliza E. No surname found yet for Eliza E. but they are together in the 1881 census at 34 Tower St, Southwark, Surrey. Henry was a wood sawyer and recorded the same employment in 1871. There were two sons and two daughters. I have not yet tried mispelling of Kewell on the FreeBMD database. Of the siblings it leaves an additional Jemima who John has a death recorded for, at age 3 months, in 1845. Beyond the birth of James (brother to Sarah) in 1826 nothing more of him is known at the moment. Perhaps there is an infant or child burial at Ecchinswell. The mother Sarah Tidbury died in 1859 FreeBMD Kingsclere 4Q 2c 132 and William her husband died in either 1853 or 1854 as there are two Kingsclere RD entries for William Kewell one in each year. I think where Catherine Kewell has been recorded on the website as the wife of Isaac Alder it should be Caroline Kewell with parents John and Letitia Kewell nee Bridgeman using the census data and the FreeBMD marriage. I think the Kingsclere Kewell family may have come from central Hampshire where the name was spelt as Cuell. The IGI would suggest the family came from West Sussex. Regards, Nigel John wrote > A John Kewell of Bishop's Green. age 67 was buried at St. Lawrence, > Ecchinswell on 5 Mar 1913. PR entry 562 > > Thanks for pointing out Charles was a son of John & Letitia, I'd linked > him to Joseph & Sarah (my excuse is that I only had the 1851 Census > INDEX at the time) > > I'll add the maiden name of Sarah to wife of Henry. the place of > marriage makes sense given she was born in Acton. I have now added to > their family which now consists of: > > Henry 1873-1875 > James ca 1875-1942 > Jane ca 1877 > Joseph ca 1879-1880 > George ca 1881 > Sarah Ann ca 1883 > John ca 1885 > Charles ca 1887 > Annie ca 1888 > Edward ca 1890 > Jesse ca 1893-1947 > Willie ca 1896 > with Sarah through to Edward being born in Greenham > > > I have also added a maiden name for Ada, wife of James Kewell ca1875 > > Marriages Sep 1897: BROWN Ada & Kewell James, Hungerford 2c 557 > > since Ada was recorded as being born in Kintbury in 1901 Census I > suspect she married at St. Mary, Kintbury.

On Wed, 09 Sep 2009 09:05:16 +0100 Bob Hutchins <bob@bobhutchins.me.uk> wrote: > 1891 son Sydney Leonard is a farm servant aged 13 is Stratfield Saye > in 1901 he is lodging with his eventual wife Jane Eliza Wilson (nee > Nash) at 30 Gas House Road, Basingstoke The update to "Kingsclere Families" I did yesterday includes Jane Eliza's Overton family back to Robert & Mary who married ca1745 and had two children baptised in Overton, Philip in 1752 and John in 1759. A Robert Nash was buried at Overton on 13 Mar 1771, several Marys were buried there Jan 1759 onwards (all with no ages to give any clues). Robert & Mary's marriage isn't in the Hants Marr Index but IGI has this:- ROBERT NASH & MARY SIMMESS, Marriage: 12 JUN 1746, Pensioners Army Hospital, Chelsea but is probably just a coincidence it was at right time. The Nash surname goes back quite a bit further in Overton, there is an Alce Nashe buried in 1634 for example -- John Lewis Debian & the GeneWeb genealogical data server

Hi Barbara & Debbie The only census Martha comes up maried is in the workhouse in 1881 where her birth location is given as Reading. Census 1841 has a Martha aged 6 living in Whitley Street, St Giles, Reading dau of Thomas & Maria and a baptism for that is transcribed on IGI as a Martha Rose Major bpt 11 Jun 1837 St Giles, Reading, possibly that same Martha appears in 1861 Basing. 1901 has her baseborn dau Ida Jessie Holley (Major) working as a nurse in Prescot Union Workhouse and Nurses Home, Whiston, Lancashire 1891 son Sydney Leonard is a farm servant aged 13 is Stratfield Saye in 1901 he is lodging with his eventual wife Jane Eliza Wilson (nee Nash) at 30 Gas House Road, Basingstoke Bob Genealogy Web Database http://www.bobhutchins.me.uk Bob recommends Linux Ubuntu 9.04 On Wed, 2009-09-09 at 07:35 +0100, Barbara Mallyon wrote: > Hello Debbie, > > Does this information help, > for the marriage of Martha MAJOR to Edward HOLLEY > > Banns read 20th, 27th April & 4th May 1873 St. Mary's Church > Kingsclere > Married 18 May 1873 Edward age 35 bachelor, labourer and Martha age > 36 spinster > Domestic Servant both of Kingsclere. > witnesses: John & Fanny KEWELL > > That is the only information I have on Martha MAJOR. > > Kind regards > > Barbara Lewis Mallyon > Basingstoke, Hants. UK > BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk > List Admin > >

Good morning John The Frost marriage details as follows; July 13th 1929 at Newbury Congregational ,by A H Fowler M.A. Winifred Gladys Leslie Frost , age 23yrs spinster, address 68 West St Newbury, Father William Frederick Frost a Coach Fitter to Ebeneezer Frank Prismall age 27yrs, Occupation;Compositor . address; 59 Oakdene Road, Watford, Father Ernest Edward Prismall ; Veterinary Surgeon. The witnesses were ; R Huntley (don't know this name) K.E Frost (sister) , E.E. Prismall (Father) W.F. Frost (Father) Next: 25th March 1935 at same Church by John Wilding B.A. Robert Harvey 24yrs Grocers assistant. address ; 43 Sumatra Road Kilburn N.W. 6 .Father Robert Harvey, occ; Assistant printer. to Kate Elizabeth Frost , 25 yrs.Domestic servant, address 68 West St Newbury. Father as above but now deceased. Witnesses ; R Harvey, William J. H. Frost R. M Harvey. Both marriages by certificate. I'll keep you posted on more developement John . Also a big update on the Randall's will be ready shortly Regards Beverley ----- Original Message ----- From: "john lewis" <zen57162@zen.co.uk> To: <eng-hampshire-kingsclere@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 2:21 PM Subject: Re: [King] Fw: Hillier/Hart/Pope > On Mon, 7 Sep 2009 09:23:56 +0100 > "beverley anne smith" <jm.ba.smith@talktalk.net> wrote: > >> Also a message for John Lewis I now have >> some more marriage details of James Hart who married Elizabeth >> Randall their daughter Ellen Hart married William Frederick Frost >> (John has this ) well I now have twon Frost daughter's marriages John > >> do you want the details? > > Yes please > > -- > John Lewis > Debian & the GeneWeb genealogical data server > --------------------------------------- >>From Kingsclere. ALL SURNAMES IN CAPITAL LETTERS PLEASE. > --------------------------------------- > If you get unsubscribed and did not ask to be unsubscribed, please email > eng-hampshire-kingsclere-admin@rootsweb.com > --------------------------------------- > Make sure your Anti Virus Protection is updated and do a weekly backup of > your files. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-HAMPSHIRE-KINGSCLERE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.82/2351 - Release Date: 09/07/09 06:40:00

Hello Debbie, Does this information help, for the marriage of Martha MAJOR to Edward HOLLEY Banns read 20th, 27th April & 4th May 1873 St. Mary's Church Kingsclere Married 18 May 1873 Edward age 35 bachelor, labourer and Martha age 36 spinster Domestic Servant both of Kingsclere. witnesses: John & Fanny KEWELL That is the only information I have on Martha MAJOR. Kind regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants. UK BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk List Admin ----- Original Message ----- From: <DEBBIEKENNETT@aol.com> To: <eng-hampshire-kingsclere@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 12:03 AM Subject: Re: [King] Holley Family > I'm just catching up on this thread. > > John Kewell senior (husband of Letitia Bridgeman) is indeed the one > who > died in 1855. He was buried on 10 July 1855 at St Lawrence, > Ecchinswell. His > age was given as 46 years. John Kewell senior was born about 1809 > in > Ecchinswell. It is presumed that he is the son of William KEWELL > and his first > wife Jane TIDBURY but I have no record of a baptism. Has anyone > found one? > > The MAJORS also link in with the TIDBURYS but I have no record of a > Martha > MAJOR. > > Debbie Kennett

I'm just catching up on this thread. John Kewell senior (husband of Letitia Bridgeman) is indeed the one who died in 1855. He was buried on 10 July 1855 at St Lawrence, Ecchinswell. His age was given as 46 years. John Kewell senior was born about 1809 in Ecchinswell. It is presumed that he is the son of William KEWELL and his first wife Jane TIDBURY but I have no record of a baptism. Has anyone found one? The MAJORS also link in with the TIDBURYS but I have no record of a Martha MAJOR. Debbie Kennett In a message dated 06/09/2009 21:19:39 GMT Daylight Time, nigel.gerdes@milnet.uk.net writes: I was just following up the Holley siblings and saw the 1873 marriage of Edward Holley and Martha Major on John's website. The witnesses were John and Fanny Kewell. Now the witnesses can be placed in their own family tree. John was, I believe, born ca 1844 (FreeBMD Kingsclere RD 4Q 1844 7 163) at Ecchinswell to John and Letitia Kewell nee Bridgeman. His wife, Fanny Powers, he married in 1872 in Hungerford RD 3Q 2c 347. Perhaps Fanny Powers was related to the William Powers who married Sarah Holley. It looks like John Kewell died in 1913 FreeBMD Kingsclere RD 1Q 2c 318 with a given age of 67 so it must have been his father who died in 1855 (FreeBMD Kingsclere RD 3Q 2c 121) . John has an 1855 burial so it does neatly fit together. The 1851 census shows John had a older brother Charles Kewell who had been born at Greenham, Berks ca 1836. His younger brother Henry we know married a Sarah , It looks like it could be Sarah Richardson in 1872 in Brentford RD. There is already a William Bridgeman = Alice Richardson marriage in 1806 at Newtown, Hants. Regards, Nigel Gerdes

My current detailed information on William SMITH (b.1828) can be found on the Kingsclere genealogy website at http://startx.co.uk:2317/Kingsclere?i=23900 Note that my Kingsclere connection is through his wife, Georgiana Emily Thorne, d/o James THORNE and Jane HILLYAR. William's birth information is from a slip of very, very old paper handed down in my family that says William Smith was born in the parish of Lydiard Millicent, Wilts, Old England, December 19, 1828. William and Georgiana SMITH resided in Lydiard Tregoze, Wilts, until the time they immigrated to Chicago, IL, United States in 1877. William was a grocer and possibly a beer merchant (trades unfortunately lost to my family other than from a consumers point of view...). Any more information or connection to these families would be welcome, including any ideas on how my GGGparents could have met between the Lydiards and Kingclere back in 1860. I keep looking for clues on my SMITH ancestry, and the common names are stifling on research. Regards, Chuck Smith -----Original Message----- From: eng-hampshire-kingsclere-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-hampshire-kingsclere-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nigel St C Gerdes Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 10:39 AM To: eng-hampshire-kingsclere@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [King] Poaching at Bucklebury & trial at Reading February 1863 I too would be interested in the report. Like Chuck, I collect Kingsclere Smiths since back to 1600 in Kingsclere they are my mother's family. Stephen Smith is very interesting because I have an earlier Stephen Smith of Newtown in my father's family tree and Stephen was not a common name. Kingsclere had the highest numbers of Smith per 1000 population of anywhere in England in the 1881 census. Baughurst is the hot spot for them. So clearly they had been very well established in the area for a long time and/or there is a lot of Romany blood since Smith was a popular choice of surname. The heathlands attracted many Romany into the area. Chuck: Do you have an estimated birth date for your William? Regards, Nigel Gerdes > I would be interested in the report. Still trying to determine why or > how my gggf William smith from wilts married georgiena thorne from > kingsclere. I figure there has to be family in the area. So I've been > 'collecting' kingsclere smiths especially those near > Ecchingswell. Some day I may find the link and get a clue to William > smith's ancestors. > > Regards > > -chuck smith > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 1, 2009, at 4:38 AM, Gbsoper49@aol.com wrote: > > I have just been investigating a trial in Reading in which one of my > > ancestors was involved, he was found not guilty. There were eight > > men charged, > > as below:- > > > > Stephen Smith,23, Charles Smith,19, James Hutchins,22, David > > Hutchins,27, > > James Blackney,34, Henry Rabbits,21, Henry Clarke, 25, and Charles > > Smith,19. > > > > All the accused appear to be from Kingsclere area, most from > > Ashford Hill. > > I think I have identified the first six, they are all on John Lewis's > > site, the first two Smiths are brothers. The last two I cannot > > identify with > > certainty. In addition there are various witnesses mentioned, > > probably the > > most significant is Eli Butler, brother in law to Stephen & Charles > > Smith. > > Brothers George & Charles Cotterell are also mentioned. > > > > The poaching occured in December 1862 at Corbyn's wood, Bucklebury. > > > > Four of the accused were found guilty, Stephen Smith,23, Charles > > Smith,19, > > Henry Rabbits,21 & Henry Clarke, 25. > > > > If anybody is interested I have copies of report from Berkshire > > Chronicle > > or a word document with transcript of report, subject to my typing > > errors.I > > will send them off list to anyone who contacts me. > > > > Gerald > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------- > > > >> From Kingsclere. 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On Mon, 7 Sep 2009 09:23:56 +0100 "beverley anne smith" <jm.ba.smith@talktalk.net> wrote: > Also a message for John Lewis I now have > some more marriage details of James Hart who married Elizabeth > Randall their daughter Ellen Hart married William Frederick Frost > (John has this ) well I now have twon Frost daughter's marriages John > do you want the details? Yes please -- John Lewis Debian & the GeneWeb genealogical data server

On Sun, 6 Sep 2009 21:03:38 +0100 Nigel St C Gerdes <nigel.gerdes@milnet.uk.net> wrote: > It looks like John Kewell died in 1913 FreeBMD Kingsclere RD 1Q 2c > 318 with a given age of 67 so it must have been his father who died > in 1855 (FreeBMD Kingsclere RD 3Q 2c 121) . John has an 1855 burial > so it does neatly fit together. A John Kewell of Bishop's Green. age 67 was buried at St. Lawrence, Ecchinswell on 5 Mar 1913. PR entry 562 > The 1851 census shows John had a older brother Charles Kewell who had > been born at Greenham, Berks ca 1836. His younger brother Henry we > know married a Sarah , It looks like it could be Sarah Richardson in > 1872 in Brentford RD. There is already a William Bridgeman = Alice > Richardson marriage in 1806 at Newtown, Hants. Thanks for pointing out Charles was a son of John & Letitia, I'd linked him to Joseph & Sarah (my excuse is that I only had the 1851 Census INDEX at the time) I'll add the maiden name of Sarah to wife of Henry. the place of marriage makes sense given she was born in Acton. I have now added to their family which now consists of: Henry 1873-1875 James ca 1875-1942 Jane ca 1877 Joseph ca 1879-1880 George ca 1881 Sarah Ann ca 1883 John ca 1885 Charles ca 1887 Annie ca 1888 Edward ca 1890 Jesse ca 1893-1947 Willie ca 1896 with Sarah through to Edward being born in Greenham I have also added a maiden name for Ada, wife of James Kewell ca1875 Marriages Sep 1897: BROWN Ada & Kewell James, Hungerford 2c 557 since Ada was recorded as being born in Kintbury in 1901 Census I suspect she married at St. Mary, Kintbury. -- John Lewis Debian & the GeneWeb genealogical data server