Hi Nigel, Thank you for your very informative mailing on the PRISMALL links with the WHITFIELD and the DRINKWATER families, I will reply in detail on them later. When your email arrived I was engaged in writing an email to Peter and Susan HOLLAND apologising/lamenting that I had not introduced myself and Susan to either you or John LEWIS when we were all at the lunch (actually I already knew John from earlier lunches) as I felt you both had information for us and now you have already proved me right! I think the main reason I failed was because that was my first physical meeting with the HOLLANDs so we had much to talk about face to face. I hope to reply shortly Peter Prismall Researching PHILO and PRISMALL worldwide -----Original Message----- From: eng-hampshire-kingsclere-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-hampshire-kingsclere-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nigel St C Gerdes Sent: 05 October 2009 18:20 To: eng-hampshire-kingsclere@rootsweb.com Subject: [King] PRISMALL links with WHITFIELD & DRINKWATER families Hi List, At the Kingsclere lunch yesterday one of the families represented and discussed was Prismall. I attach in line two files from other families showing their links with the Prismalls. The first shows how Kezia Prismall and her husband Walter W. Whitfield were cousins. The second shows the relationship on the Drinkwater side for the two Drinkwater and Prismall marriages. John Drinkwater b ca 1800 in 1861 was a farmer with 800 acres at Chieveley which must have been one of the largest farms in the area. Also, not quite certain, but fairly confident that his wife was born Ann Blunden at or near North Waltham, Hants (I have yet to look-up her baptism ca 1799) since the Blunden family were also prosperous farmers and a daughter has the middle name Blunden. My mother and I would echo others in giving thanks to Barbara and her team for a enjoyable lunch and the pleasure of company, of being able to put faces to names who subscribe to the list as well as being able to catch-up with old friends. Regards, Nigel St C Gerdes Tree 1 WHITFIELD James Whitfield of Kingsclere (2476), b. circa 1781 at Monk Sherborne, Hants, UK +Jane Windiate (40220), b. circa 1785 at Monk Sherborne, Hants, UK, m. 12 May 1806 at Monk Sherborne, Hants, UK |-- William Whitfield (2475), b. Jun 1810 at UK | +Sarah Wigg (2474), chr. 06 Oct 1805 at Hannington, Hants, UK, m. 02 Oct 1834 at Monk Sherborne, Hants, UK | |-- Thomas W. Whitfield (40213) | |-- Ellen Whitfield (40211), b. before 1836 at Hants, UK | | +Mr (--?--) Boss (40212) | \-- Walter W. Whitfield (40214), b. 17 Sep 1839 at Oakland, MI, USA, d. 31 May 1915 at Waterford Township, Oakland Co. MI, USA | +Kezia Prismall (40221), b. 28 Jul 1837 at Kingsclere Woodlands, Hants, UK, m. 14 Sep 1871 at Oakland, MI, USA, d. 11 Mar 1919 at Pontiac , Oakland Co, MI, USA | |-- Debora Ellen Whitfield (40216), b. circa 1872 at MI, USA | |-- Sarah Elizabeth Whitfield (40217), b. circa 1874 at MI, USA | |-- Daniel Whitfield (40218), b. circa 1876 at MI, USA | \-- Jesse William Whitfield (40219), b. circa 1878 at MI, USA \-- Elizabeth Whitfield (35359), b. circa 1812 at Sherborne, Hants, UK, d. circa 1889 at Kingsclere, Hants, UK +Jesse Prismall (35358), b. circa 1794, m. 23 May 1830 at Kingsclere, Hants, UK, d. circa 1848 |-- Martha Ann Prismall (40223), b. circa 1832 |-- John Prismall (35357), b. circa 1833, d. circa 1889 | +Charlotte Brown (35353), b. circa 1838, m. 10 Oct 1867 at Wimbledon, Surrey, UK, d. circa 1919 |-- Kezia Prismall (40221), b. 28 Jul 1837 at Kingsclere Woodlands, Hants, UK, d. 11 Mar 1919 at Pontiac, Oakland Co, MI, USA | +Walter W. Whitfield (40214), b. 17 Sep 1839 at Oakland, MI, USA, m. 14 Sep 1871 at Oakland, MI, USA, d. 31 May 1915 at Waterford Township, Oakland Co. MI, USA | |-- Debora Ellen Whitfield (40216) (see above) | |-- Sarah Elizabeth Whitfield (40217) (see above) | |-- Daniel Whitfield (40218) (see above) | \-- Jesse William Whitfield (40219) (see above) \-- Walter Prismall (35360), b. circa 1840 at Kingsclere Woodlands, Hants, UK +Ellen Broad (40224), m. 28 Feb 1867 at Mortimer, Berks, UK +Jane Jones (40225), m. after 1902 Tree 2 DRINKWATER John Drinkwater (47210), b. circa 1766 +Martha Pocock (47211), b. circa 1770, m. 06 Oct 1791 at Thatcham, Berks, UK |-- William Drinkwater (47219), b. 27 Nov 1792 at Thatcham, Berks, UK | +Rebecca Searle (47220), b. circa 1795 at Hants, UK, m. 27 Oct 1829 at South Stoneham, Hants, UK, d. before 1861 | |-- William Drinkwater (47222), b. circa 1831 at Dummer, Hants, UK | |-- Rowland Drinkwater (47221), b. circa 1835 at Dummer, Hants, UK | \-- Cherry Charity Drinkwater (39313), b. circa 1838 at Dummer, Hants, UK, d. after 1891 | +Caleb Prismall (39312), b. 29 May 1826 at Kingsclere Woodlands, Hants, UK, m. 18 Oct 1864 at Newbury, Berks, UK | |-- John Prismall (39323), b. circa 1868 at Mildenhall, Wilts, UK | |-- Rebecca S. Prismall (39324), b. circa 1871 at Ogbourne, Wilts, UK | |-- Jannette Prismall (39325), b. circa 1873 at Ogbourne, Wilts, UK | \-- Jesse D. Prismall (39326), b. circa 1876 at Ogbourne, Wilts, UK \-- John Drinkwater (47208), b. 10 Mar 1800 at Thatcham, Berks, UK, d. circa 1870 +Ann (--?--) (47209), b. circa 1799 at North Waltham, Hants, UK |-- Maria Blunden Drinkwater (39331), b. circa 1827 at Chieveley, Berks, UK, d. 1918 | +John Prismall (37798), b. 25 Apr 1820 at Kingsclere, Hants, UK, m. 10 May 1861 at Chieveley, Berks, UK, d. circa 1893 | |-- John Prismall (47202), b. circa 1862 at Chieveley, Berks, UK | |-- William Prismall (47203), b. circa 1863 at Chieveley, Berks, UK | |-- Anne Prismall (47204), b. circa 1865 at Chieveley, Berks, UK | |-- Albert Prismall (47205), b. circa 1866 at Chieveley, Berks, UK | |-- Edwin Prismall (47206), b. circa 1868 at Chieveley, Berks, UK | \-- Emily Kate Prismall (47201), b. circa 1870 at Chieveley, Berks, UK | +George Edmund Holland (47207), m. circa 1901 |-- John Drinkwater (47214), b. circa 1829 at Chieveley, Berks, UK |-- Charlotte Drinkwater (47215), b. circa 1831 at Chieveley, Berks, UK |-- George Drinkwater (47216), b. circa 1833 at Chieveley, Berks, UK |-- Charles Drinkwater (47217), b. circa 1834 at Chieveley, Berks, UK \-- Sarah Jane Drinkwater (47218), b. circa 1838 at Chieveley, Berks, UK --------------------------------------- >From Kingsclere. 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Hi Barbara and all Thanks for organising the lunch, good venue & good to put faces to some names. Gerald

Good Evening Nigel Sorry I couldn't get to the lunch would have liked to. My interest in the Prismall name is our Elizabeth Randall married James Hart ,Mother Naomi Smith , she had a number of husband . Two of James & Elizabeth's Granddaughters married into the PRISMALLS. I sent John Lewis the details. Also our Elizabeth Bates who married our Robert Randall was the daughter of John Bates Kingsclere & Betty Matthews of Hamstead Marshall. Regards Beverley

Hi List, At the Kingsclere lunch yesterday one of the families represented and discussed was Prismall. I attach in line two files from other families showing their links with the Prismalls. The first shows how Kezia Prismall and her husband Walter W. Whitfield were cousins. The second shows the relationship on the Drinkwater side for the two Drinkwater and Prismall marriages. John Drinkwater b ca 1800 in 1861 was a farmer with 800 acres at Chieveley which must have been one of the largest farms in the area. Also, not quite certain, but fairly confident that his wife was born Ann Blunden at or near North Waltham, Hants (I have yet to look-up her baptism ca 1799) since the Blunden family were also prosperous farmers and a daughter has the middle name Blunden. My mother and I would echo others in giving thanks to Barbara and her team for a enjoyable lunch and the pleasure of company, of being able to put faces to names who subscribe to the list as well as being able to catch-up with old friends. Regards, Nigel St C Gerdes Tree 1 WHITFIELD James Whitfield of Kingsclere (2476), b. circa 1781 at Monk Sherborne, Hants, UK +Jane Windiate (40220), b. circa 1785 at Monk Sherborne, Hants, UK, m. 12 May 1806 at Monk Sherborne, Hants, UK |-- William Whitfield (2475), b. Jun 1810 at UK | +Sarah Wigg (2474), chr. 06 Oct 1805 at Hannington, Hants, UK, m. 02 Oct 1834 at Monk Sherborne, Hants, UK | |-- Thomas W. Whitfield (40213) | |-- Ellen Whitfield (40211), b. before 1836 at Hants, UK | | +Mr (--?--) Boss (40212) | \-- Walter W. Whitfield (40214), b. 17 Sep 1839 at Oakland, MI, USA, d. 31 May 1915 at Waterford Township, Oakland Co. MI, USA | +Kezia Prismall (40221), b. 28 Jul 1837 at Kingsclere Woodlands, Hants, UK, m. 14 Sep 1871 at Oakland, MI, USA, d. 11 Mar 1919 at Pontiac , Oakland Co, MI, USA | |-- Debora Ellen Whitfield (40216), b. circa 1872 at MI, USA | |-- Sarah Elizabeth Whitfield (40217), b. circa 1874 at MI, USA | |-- Daniel Whitfield (40218), b. circa 1876 at MI, USA | \-- Jesse William Whitfield (40219), b. circa 1878 at MI, USA \-- Elizabeth Whitfield (35359), b. circa 1812 at Sherborne, Hants, UK, d. circa 1889 at Kingsclere, Hants, UK +Jesse Prismall (35358), b. circa 1794, m. 23 May 1830 at Kingsclere, Hants, UK, d. circa 1848 |-- Martha Ann Prismall (40223), b. circa 1832 |-- John Prismall (35357), b. circa 1833, d. circa 1889 | +Charlotte Brown (35353), b. circa 1838, m. 10 Oct 1867 at Wimbledon, Surrey, UK, d. circa 1919 |-- Kezia Prismall (40221), b. 28 Jul 1837 at Kingsclere Woodlands, Hants, UK, d. 11 Mar 1919 at Pontiac, Oakland Co, MI, USA | +Walter W. Whitfield (40214), b. 17 Sep 1839 at Oakland, MI, USA, m. 14 Sep 1871 at Oakland, MI, USA, d. 31 May 1915 at Waterford Township, Oakland Co. MI, USA | |-- Debora Ellen Whitfield (40216) (see above) | |-- Sarah Elizabeth Whitfield (40217) (see above) | |-- Daniel Whitfield (40218) (see above) | \-- Jesse William Whitfield (40219) (see above) \-- Walter Prismall (35360), b. circa 1840 at Kingsclere Woodlands, Hants, UK +Ellen Broad (40224), m. 28 Feb 1867 at Mortimer, Berks, UK +Jane Jones (40225), m. after 1902 Tree 2 DRINKWATER John Drinkwater (47210), b. circa 1766 +Martha Pocock (47211), b. circa 1770, m. 06 Oct 1791 at Thatcham, Berks, UK |-- William Drinkwater (47219), b. 27 Nov 1792 at Thatcham, Berks, UK | +Rebecca Searle (47220), b. circa 1795 at Hants, UK, m. 27 Oct 1829 at South Stoneham, Hants, UK, d. before 1861 | |-- William Drinkwater (47222), b. circa 1831 at Dummer, Hants, UK | |-- Rowland Drinkwater (47221), b. circa 1835 at Dummer, Hants, UK | \-- Cherry Charity Drinkwater (39313), b. circa 1838 at Dummer, Hants, UK, d. after 1891 | +Caleb Prismall (39312), b. 29 May 1826 at Kingsclere Woodlands, Hants, UK, m. 18 Oct 1864 at Newbury, Berks, UK | |-- John Prismall (39323), b. circa 1868 at Mildenhall, Wilts, UK | |-- Rebecca S. Prismall (39324), b. circa 1871 at Ogbourne, Wilts, UK | |-- Jannette Prismall (39325), b. circa 1873 at Ogbourne, Wilts, UK | \-- Jesse D. Prismall (39326), b. circa 1876 at Ogbourne, Wilts, UK \-- John Drinkwater (47208), b. 10 Mar 1800 at Thatcham, Berks, UK, d. circa 1870 +Ann (--?--) (47209), b. circa 1799 at North Waltham, Hants, UK |-- Maria Blunden Drinkwater (39331), b. circa 1827 at Chieveley, Berks, UK, d. 1918 | +John Prismall (37798), b. 25 Apr 1820 at Kingsclere, Hants, UK, m. 10 May 1861 at Chieveley, Berks, UK, d. circa 1893 | |-- John Prismall (47202), b. circa 1862 at Chieveley, Berks, UK | |-- William Prismall (47203), b. circa 1863 at Chieveley, Berks, UK | |-- Anne Prismall (47204), b. circa 1865 at Chieveley, Berks, UK | |-- Albert Prismall (47205), b. circa 1866 at Chieveley, Berks, UK | |-- Edwin Prismall (47206), b. circa 1868 at Chieveley, Berks, UK | \-- Emily Kate Prismall (47201), b. circa 1870 at Chieveley, Berks, UK | +George Edmund Holland (47207), m. circa 1901 |-- John Drinkwater (47214), b. circa 1829 at Chieveley, Berks, UK |-- Charlotte Drinkwater (47215), b. circa 1831 at Chieveley, Berks, UK |-- George Drinkwater (47216), b. circa 1833 at Chieveley, Berks, UK |-- Charles Drinkwater (47217), b. circa 1834 at Chieveley, Berks, UK \-- Sarah Jane Drinkwater (47218), b. circa 1838 at Chieveley, Berks, UK

On Mon, 5 Oct 2009 13:52:07 +0100 john lewis <zen57162@zen.co.uk> wrote: > > the problem now is which couple were the parents of Reginald Thomas > and who were his siblings? > (there are several other births with Prout/Gibbons parents on FreeBMD) I can partly answer the question from looking a Kingsclere marriages ;-) Joan Emily Prout, a spinster age 20 of Council Houses, Headly, father Thomas William Prout, Insurance Agent. Married on 26 July 1941, St. Mary, Kingsclere, to William John Barnard (Witnesses: Thomas Frederick Barnard & Thomas W Prout). Dennis Romaine Prout, a bachelor age 25, builder of South Row, Headly, father Thomas William Prout, insurance agent. Married on 5 March 1949, St. Mary, Kingsclere, to Barbara Mary Hudson (Witnesses: Thomas William Prout & Lewis Alfred Kiel) Robin Edwin Valentine Prout, a bachelor age 22, pay clerk of South View, Headly, father Thomas William Prout, insurance agent. Married on 3 June 1950, St. Mary, Kingsclere, to Marjorie Miles (Witnesses: Dennis Romaine Prout, Herbert Miles & E Prout) so for now I have made Reginald Thomas a son of Thomas William as he fits neatly between Dennis & Robin, but still don't know the maiden name of his wife. -- John Lewis Debian & the GeneWeb genealogical data server

another query following up on another headstone photographed yesterday. the above-named died on 8 Sep 1968 and is buried at St. Peter, Headly. I didn't have him in the database but it turns out (from 1911 Census) he is a son of Frederick Bridgeman ca1869 and Ada Girdler ca1874. 1911 Census records the following children; Elsie Kate Bridgeman ca 1894 Ada Mary Bridgeman ca 1896 Louisa Bridgeman 1897 Frederick Bridgeman ca 1899 Albert George Bridgeman ca 1903-1968 Muriel May Bridgeman ca 1910 all except the last two baptised at St. Paul. Also on head stone was Lavinia Vera Laura born ca1916, died 1996. FreeBMD has this Marriages Mar 1941: BRIDGEMAN Albert G & Coventry Lavinia V L, Kingsclere 2c 907 No matching entry in St. Paul or St. Mary registers. Lavinia being a dau of James Coventry ca1880 & Elsie May Cummins ca1893 so yet another two families connected, it seems they were third cousins Lavinia was sixth cousin of mine with common ancestors Thomas Smith ca1698 & Mary Dearlove ca1704. -- John Lewis Debian & the GeneWeb genealogical data server

amongst the headstones I photographed at St. Peter, Headly yesterday was one for the above named born 1925, died 2005 and his wife Muriel Edith born 1926, died 1970 I found his birth on FreeBMD Births Mar 1926: Prout Reginald T, Gibbons, Kingsclere 2c 404 so went looking for a Prout/Gibbons marriage and found two! Marriages Dec 1919: Prout Thomas W, Gibbons, Reading 2c 1066 Marriages Dec 1919: Gibbons Emily E A, Prout, Reading 2c 1065 and Marriages Sep 1921: Gibbons Ethel M & Prout Arthur C, Reading 2c 972 turns out two Prout brothers married two Gibbons sisters, both born in Caversham. Births Mar 1896: Gibbons Emily Elizabeth A, Henley 3a 807 Births Mar 1899: Gibbons Ethel May, Henley 3a 879 the brothers were sons of Charles Prout ca1849-1933 & Mary Ann Fisher ca1856 and the sisters were daus of Joseph Gibbons ca1863 & Sarah Roman ca1863 who married at Kingsclere in 1889 and are in the database. the problem now is which couple were the parents of Reginald Thomas and who were his siblings? (there are several other births with Prout/Gibbons parents on FreeBMD) Can anyone with Prout interests help out on this, please -- John Lewis Debian & the GeneWeb genealogical data server

Many thanks from Frank and myself,  Barbara, for organising a lovely lunch in such pleasant surroundings.  It was so nice to be able to put faces to e-mail addresses and to chat to a few people. May the group, and lunches, continue for many years. Eileen Barnes

Hello everybody, I would like to echo Bob's comments, perhaps next year we could go there again? More thanks to Barbara are of course appropriate. Regards, Rod.

I would just like to thank Barbara for organising a lovely lunch. Great food in a great location and it was nice to see a good turn out. Thanks again Barbara Bob -- Genealogy Web Database http://www.bobhutchins.me.uk Bob recommends Linux Ubuntu 9.04

Hello Bob, The best thing that the person who wrote to you can do, is to contact the Tadley & District History Society. By Post Tadley and District History Society, PO Box 7264, Tadley, Hampshire RG26 3FA. By Telephone 0118 981 6109 By E-mail tadshistory@googlemail.com Newsletter Editor & Membership Secretary Richard Brown They will be able to help I am sure. There are CRIPPS families living in Tadley that she could write to. I have been looking at the "Around Tadley people and places" book, have you got this Bob are there are HUTCHINS listed and photographs? Kind regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants. UK BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk List Admin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Hutchins" <bob@bobhutchins.me.uk> To: "Kingsclere Rootsweb" <eng-hampshire-kingsclere@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 11:45 PM Subject: [King] Effie Gertrude Cripps > Hello All, > > I have pasted below an edited version of an email (I have added > notes in > brackets and blocked a few words), I received today by a chap > researching the history of his house and was wondering if anybody > could > help him. I can pass on his email address off list. > > Effie's first marriage was to a Charles Kite who I believe was born > in > Gravesend and died in 1917 Belgium, they appear to have been > resident in > the Basingstoke area at that time. Effie possibly had another child > after his death before marrying a Herbert J Saunders in 1927 > probably in > Tadley. > > Bob > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > "I stumbled across your excellent site whilst researching the > previous > ocupants of our house. We bought our house **** Cottage in Tadley > in > October 2006 from the '***' family. They purchased it from the > estate > of the late Mrs Effie Saunders (born Effie Cripps) Her father was > John > Cripps of Tadley. (Actually George Saunders - Bob) > > Effie was born in ***** Cottage circa 1890 (Aug 1890 - Bob) and died > in > the cottage circa 1990/1991 (Jun 1991 - Bob) having lived at the > same > address for 101 years! Her mother Fanny Monger worked as a > governess at > Fairlawn House and the family were well known in the local area. > > Our house was built around 1667 and I hope to trace it's occupants > back > that far. In meantime I am very intersted in the life of Effie > Cripps as > she lived there for so long and i'm led to believe was a real local > character. I have heard storys of how each summer she'd cut her > grass > with a sythe and lean on the gate and give apples to local children. > I > would love to have known what she looked like, but have yet to find > any > pictures of her, although I believe that the Basinsgtoke Gazette may > have one of her 100th Birthday. If you are able to help at all with > any > information I would be really grateful."- > > Genealogy Web Database > http://www.bobhutchins.me.uk

Hello Everyone, If you are coming to the Lunch tomorrow would any photo copies taken from the Burials, as listed on Colin HARRIS website, Kingsclere and Kingsclere Woodlands transcribed from the Parish Registers, http://www.colin.harris4.btinternet.co.uk/kingsclereburials.htm please let me know and I will bring copies as taken from the Parish Register Pages, along for you. Look forward to seeing you all tomorrow. Kind regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants. UK BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk List Admin

Hello All, I have pasted below an edited version of an email (I have added notes in brackets and blocked a few words), I received today by a chap researching the history of his house and was wondering if anybody could help him. I can pass on his email address off list. Effie's first marriage was to a Charles Kite who I believe was born in Gravesend and died in 1917 Belgium, they appear to have been resident in the Basingstoke area at that time. Effie possibly had another child after his death before marrying a Herbert J Saunders in 1927 probably in Tadley. Bob ------------------------------------------------------------ "I stumbled across your excellent site whilst researching the previous ocupants of our house. We bought our house **** Cottage in Tadley in October 2006 from the '***' family. They purchased it from the estate of the late Mrs Effie Saunders (born Effie Cripps) Her father was John Cripps of Tadley. (Actually George Saunders - Bob) Effie was born in ***** Cottage circa 1890 (Aug 1890 - Bob) and died in the cottage circa 1990/1991 (Jun 1991 - Bob) having lived at the same address for 101 years! Her mother Fanny Monger worked as a governess at Fairlawn House and the family were well known in the local area. Our house was built around 1667 and I hope to trace it's occupants back that far. In meantime I am very intersted in the life of Effie Cripps as she lived there for so long and i'm led to believe was a real local character. I have heard storys of how each summer she'd cut her grass with a sythe and lean on the gate and give apples to local children. I would love to have known what she looked like, but have yet to find any pictures of her, although I believe that the Basinsgtoke Gazette may have one of her 100th Birthday. If you are able to help at all with any information I would be really grateful." -- Genealogy Web Database http://www.bobhutchins.me.uk Bob recommends Linux Ubuntu 9.04

> On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 16:16:13 +0100 > > john lewis <zen57162@zen.co.uk> wrote: > > On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 12:35:24 +0100 > > > > "Barbara Mallyon" <BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk> wrote: > > > Hello All, > > > > > > John BRIDGMAN married Mary ALDRIDGE 1 June 1772 Hannington > > > > Joseph not John ;-) > > > > > I have 7 children, looking at John LEWIS website, not listed is > > > John bapt 5 January 1777 St. Mary's Church Kingsclere. > > > > Have now added him > > > > Joseph Bridgeman of Kingclere age 87 buried at St Mary on 8 Jan 1830, > > PR entry 729, so born ca 1748. > > that should be 1743, it wasn't my arithmetic at fault but my typing ;-) > > I also looked at IGI but the only Joseph is one bapt. 1748 in > Thatcham to Thomas & Martha x. bapt. a bit late but he is 'in the > frame' How about the Joseph baptised at Burghclere 25 April 1746 to Joseph and Ann nee Eames? There are three way links links between the Eames family of East Woodhay, Browns of Hannington? and the Bridgemans. Regards, Nigel > > As for Marys, there are these from not too far away > > MARY ALDRIGE, Christening: 14 DEC 1748, Blewbury, Berks > Father: WILL ALDRIGE, Mother: KATH. BUTLER > > Mary <Alderidge>, Christening: 08 JAN 1748, East Ilsley, Berks > Father: Francis Alderidge, Mother: Hannah

On Fri, 2 Oct 2009 09:15:49 +0100 "Barbara Mallyon" <BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk> wrote: > Thanks Nigel, > > I have got this marriage, their daughter Elizabeth TAYLOR/TAILOR > married John ALDRIDGE 26 Nov 1798 St. Mary's Kingsclere. Witnesses > are Sarah TAYLOR nee MAY mother and Richard RODE. > > Again neither John LEWIS or I have got parents for John ALDRIDGE, can > you or anyone else help there, thanks. Looking at the Hants Bapt Index there was a John Aldridge baptise at Burghclere on 6 Oct 1773, Parents listed only as John. the John who married Elizabeth Taylor died well before the 1851 Census so cannot get a birth place from that. HMI: 10 Oct 1764, Aldridge John, Brown Mary, Monk Sherborne looked to be a 'most likely' marriage but there are no baptism recorded in the Index for any John & Mary and any other marriage must have occurred before the starting date of the Marr Index. There are three more baptisms where the single parent John is given:- Mary in 1769 plus Ellen 1767 & Isaac 1775 (both baptised at Newtown) There are earlier baptisms for John & Sarah:- Joseph in 1752, Olive in 1755 and Abraham in 1758 (with Note: dead) So are they the same family as that of 'John' ? -- John Lewis Debian & the GeneWeb genealogical data server

Thanks Nigel, I have got this marriage, their daughter Elizabeth TAYLOR/TAILOR married John ALDRIDGE 26 Nov 1798 St. Mary's Kingsclere. Witnesses are Sarah TAYLOR nee MAY mother and Richard RODE. Again neither John LEWIS or I have got parents for John ALDRIDGE, can you or anyone else help there, thanks. Kind regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants. UK BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nigel St C Gerdes" <nigel.gerdes@milnet.uk.net> To: <eng-hampshire-kingsclere@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 12:40 AM Subject: Re: [King] The ALDRIDGE Family > Barbara, John and list, > > A Mary ALDRIDGE was witness to the wedding of James Taylor and Sarah > May 16 > Oct 1762 St Mary Kingsclere. > > Regards, > > Nigel >

On Fri, 2 Oct 2009 00:40:06 +0100 Nigel St C Gerdes <nigel.gerdes@milnet.uk.net> wrote: > A Mary ALDRIDGE was witness to the wedding of James Taylor and Sarah > May 16 Oct 1762 St Mary Kingsclere. James Taylor was born ca Apr 1731 so a roughly same age as Mary dau of John & Mary mentioned previously so she could have been that witness. However there appears to be no burial in Kingsclere for the Mary born ca1734 other than one on 18 Sep 1755 (with no age given) which if it was her would mean it was another Mary who witnessed the marriage of James Taylor. The only earlier Mary Aldridge marriages are in Silchester in 1768 or Basingstoke in 1770 In any case I think she would have been too old at age 38 to start having children so was not the Mary who married Joseph Bridgeman. Hope this makes sense! -- John Lewis Debian & the GeneWeb genealogical data server

Barbara, John and list, A Mary ALDRIDGE was witness to the wedding of James Taylor and Sarah May 16 Oct 1762 St Mary Kingsclere. Regards, Nigel > On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 16:16:13 +0100 > > john lewis <zen57162@zen.co.uk> wrote: > > On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 12:35:24 +0100 > > > > "Barbara Mallyon" <BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk> wrote: > > > Hello All, > > > > > > John BRIDGMAN married Mary ALDRIDGE 1 June 1772 Hannington > > > > Joseph not John ;-) > > > > > I have 7 children, looking at John LEWIS website, not listed is > > > John bapt 5 January 1777 St. Mary's Church Kingsclere. > > > > Have now added him > > > > Joseph Bridgeman of Kingclere age 87 buried at St Mary on 8 Jan 1830, > > PR entry 729, so born ca 1748. > > that should be 1743, it wasn't my arithmetic at fault but my typing ;-) > > I also looked at IGI but the only Joseph is one bapt. 1748 in > Thatcham to Thomas & Martha x. bapt. a bit late but he is 'in the > frame' > > As for Marys, there are these from not too far away > > MARY ALDRIGE, Christening: 14 DEC 1748, Blewbury, Berks > Father: WILL ALDRIGE, Mother: KATH. BUTLER > > Mary <Alderidge>, Christening: 08 JAN 1748, East Ilsley, Berks > Father: Francis Alderidge, Mother: Hannah

On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 16:16:13 +0100 john lewis <zen57162@zen.co.uk> wrote: > On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 12:35:24 +0100 > "Barbara Mallyon" <BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk> wrote: > > > Hello All, > > > > John BRIDGMAN married Mary ALDRIDGE 1 June 1772 Hannington > > Joseph not John ;-) > > > I have 7 children, looking at John LEWIS website, not listed is > > John bapt 5 January 1777 St. Mary's Church Kingsclere. > > Have now added him > > Joseph Bridgeman of Kingclere age 87 buried at St Mary on 8 Jan 1830, > PR entry 729, so born ca 1748. that should be 1743, it wasn't my arithmetic at fault but my typing ;-) I also looked at IGI but the only Joseph is one bapt. 1748 in Thatcham to Thomas & Martha x. bapt. a bit late but he is 'in the frame' As for Marys, there are these from not too far away MARY ALDRIGE, Christening: 14 DEC 1748, Blewbury, Berks Father: WILL ALDRIGE, Mother: KATH. BUTLER Mary <Alderidge>, Christening: 08 JAN 1748, East Ilsley, Berks Father: Francis Alderidge, Mother: Hannah -- John Lewis Debian & the GeneWeb genealogical data server

On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 12:35:24 +0100 "Barbara Mallyon" <BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk> wrote: > Hello All, > > John BRIDGMAN married Mary ALDRIDGE 1 June 1772 Hannington Joseph not John ;-) > I have 7 children, looking at John LEWIS website, not listed is John > bapt 5 January 1777 St. Mary's Church Kingsclere. Have now added him Joseph Bridgeman of Kingclere age 87 buried at St Mary on 8 Jan 1830, PR entry 729, so born ca 1748. Nothing in Kingsclere baptisms around that year tho' some entries are unreadable so could have missed him! Mary Bridgman of Kingsclere Dell age 85 buried at St, Mary on 3 Mar 1833, PR entry 892, so born ca 1748. No baptisms around that date at St. Mary but there is a Mary on the IGI: Mary <Aldridge>, Christening: 07 APR 1734, Kingsclere, Father: John Aldridge, Mother: Mary Mary was Mary Avelin and she married John at St. Mary in 1822. This 1734 Mary was born too soon which means, I think, that neither Joseph or Mary were born in Kingsclere. Given they married in Hannington one of them could come from there, but I believe the registers are missing prior to 1771. -- John Lewis Debian & the GeneWeb genealogical data server