On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 23:22:29 +0100 Nigel St C Gerdes <nigel.gerdes@milnet.uk.net> wrote: > If you put - Norris family Newbury - into Google, she is the first > reference that comes up. > > There was a wealthy Norris family in Newbury who I think gave their > name to Hampstead Norris. There was a Sir William Norris of Yattendon > ca 1480. > > And this link has even more detail; > > http://genforum.genealogy.com/norris/messages/6207.html however much else in that link is accurate this sort of thing has me doubting > At Tudorplace.com there is a data base of the royal families using > the Dictionary of National Biography (1891) as its primary source. > and the Register of Maryland's Heraldic Families, page 279 that Mary > was the granddaughter of Sir Henry II Norreys and he is the > > DESCENDANT OF CHARLEMAGNE, ALFRED THE GREAT, WILLIAM THE CONQUEROR, > HENRY I, EMPRESS MATILDA, HENRY II, KING JOHN, EDWARD I, EDWARD III, > JOHN OF GAUNT, STRONGBOW DE CLARE, SIR WILLIAM MARSHALL, AND LADY > GODIVA > > DESCENDANT OF MALCOLM III, DAVID I, WILLIAM THE LION, THE ANCIENT > KINGS OF SCOTLAND, LADY MACBETH, AND SOMERLED LORD OF THE ISLES > > DESCENDANT OF KING LOUIS VII OF FRANCE AND ELEANOR OF AQUITAINE > > DESCENDANT OF LLEWELYN THE GREAT PRINCE OF WALES, AND IRELAND'S > GREATEST KING BRIAN BORU I'm amazed they haven't claimed descent from Adam & Eve as some royal genealogies do ;-) -- John Lewis Debian & the GeneWeb genealogical data server

Hi all, If you put - Norris family Newbury - into Google, she is the first reference that comes up. There was a wealthy Norris family in Newbury who I think gave their name to Hampstead Norris. There was a Sir William Norris of Yattendon ca 1480. And this link has even more detail; http://genforum.genealogy.com/norris/messages/6207.html Regards, Nigel > Hello John and All, > > In the Mayflower Passenger Book 1620, a Mary NORRIS parents unknown, > possibly born in Newbury Berkshire she is in their marriage records > according to the book. Mary sailed on the Mayflower to Plymouth > Massachusetts USA, her husband was Isaac ALLERTON, she gave birth to a > stillborn son 22 December 1620 while on the ship the Mayflower. > > Mary and Isaac ALLERTON also had a daughter called Remember she was > born about 1615 and married Moses MAVERICK 6 May 1635 in Plymouth MA > > John on your website you have a couple of NORRIS is this information > of any interest to you or anyone else researching the NORRIS family. > > Kind regards > > Barbara Lewis Mallyon > Basingstoke, Hants. UK > BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk > List Admin > > > > > --------------------------------------- > > >From Kingsclere. ALL SURNAMES IN CAPITAL LETTERS PLEASE. > > --------------------------------------- > If you get unsubscribed and did not ask to be unsubscribed, please email > eng-hampshire-kingsclere-admin@rootsweb.com > --------------------------------------- > Make sure your Anti Virus Protection is updated and do a weekly backup of > your files. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-HAMPSHIRE-KINGSCLERE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello John and All, In the Mayflower Passenger Book 1620, a Mary NORRIS parents unknown, possibly born in Newbury Berkshire she is in their marriage records according to the book. Mary sailed on the Mayflower to Plymouth Massachusetts USA, her husband was Isaac ALLERTON, she gave birth to a stillborn son 22 December 1620 while on the ship the Mayflower. Mary and Isaac ALLERTON also had a daughter called Remember she was born about 1615 and married Moses MAVERICK 6 May 1635 in Plymouth MA John on your website you have a couple of NORRIS is this information of any interest to you or anyone else researching the NORRIS family. Kind regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants. UK BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk List Admin

Hello Everyone, If anyone is researching in Surrey, on Saturday the 31st October 2009 the West Surrey Family History have their OPEN DAY at Woking Leisure Centre, Kingfield Road, Woking, Surrey GU22 9BA Admission free from 10am to 4.30pm and free car parking It is advisable to take a packed lunch, you can get something to drink. The Hampshire Family History Society will be there, as well as many other Family History Societies. see for further details www.wsfhs.org/Openday.htm Kind regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants. UK BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk List Admin

On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 08:38:16 +0100 "Barbara Mallyon" <BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk> wrote: > Hello Rod and All, > > Looking for the parents of Mary HAYWARD married to William HOLLY 27 > October 1816 at St. Mary's Church, Kingsclere, I came across the > following HAYWARD'S in Speen, Berkshire where Mary came from. > Witnesses are Robert MILES and Elizabeth HOLLY, my 5 x great > grandparents > > Groom: Thomas HAYWOOD > Married at Speen by Licence? - on 3 Jan 1791 > Bride Ann NORRIS > > Groom: Thomas HAYWARD > Married at Speen by Licence? - on 1 Oct 1795 > Bride: Hannah WHALE > > The marriage to Hannah WHALE is this Thomas the same Thomas that > married Ann NORRIS. I found both marriages in the Berks Marriage Index when it was available online, Groom: Thomas Haywood Status - Occupation - Notes - of Parish - Married at Speen by Licence? - on 3 Jan 1791 Bride Ann Norris Status - of Parish - Notes - Groom: Thomas Hayward Status - Occupation - Notes - of Parish - Married at Speen by Licence? - on 1 Oct 1795 Bride: Hannah Whale Status - of Parish - Notes - and as you can see there is nothing recorded as to status for the 1795 marriage so I have to assume that they were both bachelors at time of marriage. In addition there is no burial entry in the Berks Burial Index (or in Hants Burial Index) for an Ann Hayward/wood/Hawood/Heward between 1791 & 1795 -- John Lewis Debian & the GeneWeb genealogical data server

Hello Rod and All, Looking for the parents of Mary HAYWARD married to William HOLLY 27 October 1816 at St. Mary's Church, Kingsclere, I came across the following HAYWARD'S in Speen, Berkshire where Mary came from. Witnesses are Robert MILES and Elizabeth HOLLY, my 5 x great grandparents Groom: Thomas HAYWOOD Married at Speen by Licence? - on 3 Jan 1791 Bride Ann NORRIS Groom: Thomas HAYWARD Married at Speen by Licence? - on 1 Oct 1795 Bride: Hannah WHALE The marriage to Hannah WHALE is this Thomas the same Thomas that married Ann NORRIS. Have you found any link to Mary HAYWARD. Kind regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants. UK BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk List Admin

Dear Listers, While searching on the Browne family, I came across the following website. http://www.brownsociety.org/browngen/browne-george-greenham.htm It makes claims for an association of the Browne family of Greenham, Berks with the Gunpowder Plot. Given the proximity of the Bates family to Greenham, I thought I would just flag the site up for Bates researchers who are trying to get that Bates and Gunpowder Plot link confirmed with evidence. There is a very big tree which is going to make it much easier for anybody with Browne of Greenham connections from other families. There is an early Browne=Lovelock marriage in the tree towards the end. Does anybody have anything that would show a link between the Brown(e) families at Baughurst, Hants and Greenham, Berks? Regards, Nigel Gerdes

Hello John and Everyone, Just looked at your website, you have 2 marriages for BARTHOLOMEW, I am looking for information on my 6 x great grandmother Mary M BARTHOLOMEW married to Joseph MILES 8 July 1739 Speen, Berkshire. In Berkshire there are quite a few Mary BARTHOLOMEW'S, has anyone access to the Speen PR, I would like to know who the witnesses were at the wedding, this may give me a clue to her family. Mary's first child was Sarah, could this have been the name of her mother, there is a son John and Joseph is named after his father. Joseph MILES second marriage to Elizabeth HARRISON one of their sons Edward MILES, here is the 1851 Census for him. 1851 Census, 16 Eli Street, Shoreditch: Middlesex Edward MILES, head, 53, satin draper, Sidmonton Susan, wife, 52, Shoreditch, Middx Mary Ann, dau, 18, Shoe binder, Shoreditch, Middx William, son, 17, Tailor, Shoreditch, Middx James, son, 13, Shoreditch, Middx Kind regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants. UK BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk List Admin

Hello All, Thought you would like to see the faces of some of the researchers on the Kingsclere list. Here are some photographs taken by Roger Lewis. Names have not been given for security reasons. Hello, You have been invited to view my online photo album for Kingsclere Lunch 2009 at CANON iMAGE GATEWAY. You can access the album from the following URLs: URL for viewing the album from a computer http://www.cig.canon-europe.com/p?p=CEDNXZUhazr Kind regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants. UK BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk List Admin

By coincidence I have just been trying to help a researcher into the PRIMMERs using the Hampshire transcripts. Her PRIMMER ancestors are from East Meon/Blendworth/Twyford would they be relevant to Kingsclere ? I have hit a problem with the marriage of Benjamin PRIMMER to a Martha NEWLIN/NEWLAND-04 May 1795 The marriage index gives the name as Martha NEWLIN but there is a submitted entry on the IGI giving Martha NEWLAND. The baptism index has no baptism entry for a Martha NEWLIN but does have one for a Martha NEWLAND 05 August 1766 Can anyone help please ? ! Elizabeth

Hello Peter and All, It is good to know that you and the HOLLAND'S also enjoyed the Lunch. I have now had a confirmation for our booking for Lunch at the Golf Course for the 3rd October 2010 and at the same price £16.50 per head. The name of the Kingsclere family that I could not think of is PRIMOUR/PRIMER/PRYMOUR family, Maria xxx who married Richard PRIMER, these are my 8 x Gt grandparents. John LEWIS has some of the PRIMOUR etc., on his website. One of my notes. Married East Woodhay PRIMER Thomas TAILOUR (Taylor) Elizabeth 17 Feb 1644/5, I haven't fitted them in to my FT yet. Is anyone researching the surnames of PRIMER, BAUGHURST, HEATH, GARDENER. Kind regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants. UK BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk List Admin ----- Original Message ----- From: philo_or_prismall To: 'Barbara Mallyon' ; ENG-HAMPSHIRE-KINGSCLERE-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 8:03 PM Subject: Kingsclere 8th Aniversary Lunch Barbara & the List My belated thanks to Barbara and my fellow Listers who attended last Sunday for a very nice lunch with some useful chat added in. I attended with ulterior motives, since first I had to ask my wife Pauline to drive me down (her motive was that she would not have to cook an evening meal - although now she feels she drew the short straw!). However much earlier in the year Susan HOLLAND had suggested that if we were ever down Kingsclere way, she and her husband Peter (who has a PRISMALL grandmother) would come along and meet us there. This year's lunch I felt would be ideal meeting place, so I emailed Susan with a copy of Barbara's email detailing the menu and the next day her reply came complete with their choices of lunch from the menu. Now all we needed for our first meeting was a fine sunny day and so it was. However the subsequent days have been a bit of a disaster weather-wise but this has not mattered to me as the responses that I have had on the list have really brightened my days and improved the PRISMALL tree! (I will be responding via the list to those emails.) Kind regards Peter Prismall

Barbara & the List My belated thanks to Barbara and my fellow Listers who attended last Sunday for a very nice lunch with some useful chat added in. I attended with ulterior motives, since first I had to ask my wife Pauline to drive me down (her motive was that she would not have to cook an evening meal - although now she feels she drew the short straw!). However much earlier in the year Susan HOLLAND had suggested that if we were ever down Kingsclere way, she and her husband Peter (who has a PRISMALL grandmother) would come along and meet us there. This year's lunch I felt would be ideal meeting place, so I emailed Susan with a copy of Barbara's email detailing the menu and the next day her reply came complete with their choices of lunch from the menu. Now all we needed for our first meeting was a fine sunny day and so it was. However the subsequent days have been a bit of a disaster weather-wise but this has not mattered to me as the responses that I have had on the list have really brightened my days and improved the PRISMALL tree! (I will be responding via the list to those emails.) Kind regards Peter Prismall

On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 11:57:43 +0100 Nigel St C Gerdes <nigel.gerdes@milnet.uk.net> wrote: > I have found and share a new link between the ROLFE and COPPERTHWAITE > Kingsclere families both from arising from Kingsclere but living at > Winchester St, Overton, Hants and next door to each other in the > 1841 census. John Copperthwaite was an apprentice blacksmith in the > H/H of John Dodd (started in 1840for six years) and married the girl > next door but the marriage took place (perhaps because of her young > age or that she was in service) up in Chelsea RD in 1848. He must > have watched her growing up and waited until she was of age and his > apprenticeship was finished. > > This material extends one of the Rolfe trees with more data. Details > are below, It does call into question exactly who was the Joseph > Rolfe who was the father of Isaac Rolfe (1834-1835) at Kingsclere. A > younger couple than Joseph and Mary Rolfe nee Nash I would expect. I have added the extra info detailed at end of the original email > John Stevens Rolfe was baptised John Stephen Rolfe. Noted > The 1841 census has Joseph Rolfe b ca 1773 in Overton and his son > and daughter in law and grandchildren are in the same household > including Mary Rolfe who married John Copperthwaite.The spelling of > Copperthwaite is highly variable in the census data and even gets as > far as Coppersmith. > > Can anybody add any more details on either family? Two more children for John Steven & Sarah (Beal) John bapt Overton on 10 Jan 1829 Joseph bapt Overton on 16 Jan 1836 Sarah Beal bapt Overton on 20 April 1800, parents William Beal & Sarah Taplin, married at Overton on 15 Mar 1796 Sarah had an illegit child, Patience, with William bapt on 25 Oct 1795 and an earlier illegit child, Harriot, bapt on 11 Aug 1793, father was Thomas Beal, who may be the Thomas buried at Overton on 28 Mar 1793. William Beal seems to have been the only child of Richard Beal & Sarah Glover who married at N Waltham on 5 Jul 1768 Marriages Jun 1855: NEALE Louisa & ROLFE William, Chelsea 1a 228 William was recorded living in Chelsea in 1861 with wife Louisa, he was then a boot & shoemaker. They were living in Kensington in 1871 when he was a postman. Haven't found them after that date, not surprising given he was transcribed as ROLPE in 1861 As for Joseph & Elizabeth with son Isaac, who incidentally died at Headly Common and was buried at St Mary on 28 Feb 1835, I am wondering if Elizabeth should really be Bethany. Joseph ca1794 and Bethany ca 1795 had their children in the Headly Common area and he was a shoemaker as was Isaac's father, He is the only Joseph having children at the relevant time. > Details. <snipped> -- John Lewis Debian & the GeneWeb genealogical data server

Hi Bob and list, Clues yes, definite answer at this stage no. The assumption is that Frank Smith is from the local area. A possible is Frank Smith born to Henry and Rose Smith nee Butler in 1900 at Kingsclere.He is on FreeBMD but there are several more. Henry b ca 1863 Kingsclere and Rose b ca 1863 Baughurst are in the 1901 census living at Ashford Hill. Frank was the youngest and the recorded older children were all born at Brimpton. Henry and Rose married in 1885 FreeBMD Kingsclere 4Q 2c 491 but she is recorded as Rosanna Butler. The other pair are Kezia Bull and Robert Jones. Verification of the name of the father is needed from the 1936 marriage for Frank. There are several Franks who are possibles but I chose this one on closest geography. Henry Smith had parents James and Ann Smith nee Butler. The other Henry, Henry Thomas Smith b 1864 married Thriza Ann Olive Miles 23 Jul 1899 at St Paul, Kingsclere Woodlands. Thanks for the nudge to look at this one, it has found out what happened to Rose Butler b ca 1863 by working backwards. The confirmed identity of Frank Smith needs more work. Regards, Nigel > Hello Nigel & List > > I am updating the BATES family who married into the Hutchins & > Ban[m]bury family and I see that Alice Amy BATES dau of Alfred John > BATES 1871-1950 (Born Ashford Hill) and Alice Mary PARSONS 1877-1969 > (Born Landaff, Cardiff) married a Frank SMITH in Jun Qtr 1936 which I am > led to believe took place in St. Catherine's Wolverton. > > I was wondering if Nigel or anyone had any clues as to who this Frank > SMITH could be? > > Bob

Hello Nigel & List I am updating the BATES family who married into the Hutchins & Ban[m]bury family and I see that Alice Amy BATES dau of Alfred John BATES 1871-1950 (Born Ashford Hill) and Alice Mary PARSONS 1877-1969 (Born Landaff, Cardiff) married a Frank SMITH in Jun Qtr 1936 which I am led to believe took place in St. Catherine's Wolverton. I was wondering if Nigel or anyone had any clues as to who this Frank SMITH could be? Bob -- Genealogy Web Database http://www.bobhutchins.me.uk Bob recommends Linux Ubuntu 9.04

On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 09:34:33 +0100 john lewis <zen57162@zen.co.uk> wrote: > On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 08:12:11 +0100 > "Barbara Mallyon" <BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk> wrote: > > > Forster, Lieutenant John Lindsey, 2nd Battalion King's Royal Rifle > > Corps > > > > He was killed in action at Farquhar's Farm, near Ladysmith, October > > 30th, 1899. He was the eldest son of P F Forster of Malverley, > > East Woodhay, Hants, by his marriage with Annie Mary, daughter of J > > Lindsey, late 2nd Life Guards, was born March 1877, educated at > > Eton and entered the King's Royal Rifle Corps in April 1897, being > > promoted Lieutenant April 1899. On the outbreak of war, Lieutenant > > Forster was serving with his battalion in Ladysmith, and fell in his > > first battle. and for completeness his grandfather John was born on Guernsey in 1807 and his grandmother "Sidney M" was a British subject born in Bordeaux in 1809. I suspected an error in writing down her name as the eldest son and next entry is a Sidney, but she is also Sidney Matilda in 1871 when John and family were living at Malverley, East Woodhay. There is also a dau, Sidney Eliza John was living at West Park, Rockbourne in 1851, was it his his parents who bought the house in 1920? West Park House " West Park was bought in 1770 by Sir Eyre Coote and stayed within the family until the 1920's when it was sold, although rumour has it that it was nearly lost in a card game, by yet another Sir Eyre Coote, at the turn of the twentieth century. The house, which was to the north of the column, close to the Roman villa, was eventually burnt down in 1943 whilst it was being used by the American army for wartime purposes." Malverleys "East of the Conservation Area, set on the crest of a south-facing slope, is the late Victorian building Malverleys - a long building of two-storeys and two wings, it is constructed of yellow brick with a slate roof. Glimpses of this country house can be seen from the lane, to the south, through the perimeter planting. Also to the south is a small gate lodge, again of yellow brick, with a large central chimney-stack." Calling Malverleys a 'late Victorian building' suggests it could have been rebuilt by the Forsters. -- John Lewis Debian & the GeneWeb genealogical data server

On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 08:12:11 +0100 "Barbara Mallyon" <BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk> wrote: > Forster, Lieutenant John Lindsey, 2nd Battalion King's Royal Rifle > Corps > > He was killed in action at Farquhar's Farm, near Ladysmith, October > 30th, 1899. He was the eldest son of P F Forster of Malverley, East > Woodhay, Hants, by his marriage with Annie Mary, daughter of J > Lindsey, late 2nd Life Guards, was born March 1877, educated at Eton > and entered the King's Royal Rifle Corps in April 1897, being > promoted Lieutenant April 1899. On the outbreak of war, Lieutenant > Forster was serving with his battalion in Ladysmith, and fell in his > first battle. there was a whole mob of Forsters at Malverley in 1891 Paul Forster 48, Barrister at Law, born Islington Annie Forster 39 born Leamington, Warcs John Forster 14 born Paddington Hilda Forster 12 -do- Frederick Forster 11 -do- Arthur Forster 10 born Andover Evelyn Forster 7 -do- Herbert Forster 5 -do- Dorothy Forster 2, born Clatford and lots of domestic servants too Flora Lyttleton 30 Elizabeth H Clark 37 Annie Allum 18 Sarah Alexander 29 Elizabeth Older 24 Lilian Perrin 19 Frederick Franks 24 -- John Lewis Debian & the GeneWeb genealogical data server

Hello Everyone, Thank you for all of your message saying you enjoyed the Lunch and venue. We were very lucky with the weather, and able to enjoy the good views of the golf course and yes we will do it again next year, lets make it Sunday the 3rd October 2010 same venue. This web-page has some further info. http://www.angloboerwar.com/Casualties/casualties_f.htm Forster, Lieutenant John Lindsey, 2nd Battalion King's Royal Rifle Corps He was killed in action at Farquhar's Farm, near Ladysmith, October 30th, 1899. He was the eldest son of P F Forster of Malverley, East Woodhay, Hants, by his marriage with Annie Mary, daughter of J Lindsey, late 2nd Life Guards, was born March 1877, educated at Eton and entered the King's Royal Rifle Corps in April 1897, being promoted Lieutenant April 1899. On the outbreak of war, Lieutenant Forster was serving with his battalion in Ladysmith, and fell in his first battle. Kind regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants. UK BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk List Admin

On Mon, 5 Oct 2009 18:19:48 +0100 Nigel St C Gerdes <nigel.gerdes@milnet.uk.net> wrote: > John Drinkwater (47208), b. 10 Mar 1800 at Thatcham, Berks, UK, d. > circa 1870 > +Ann (--?--) (47209), b. circa 1799 at North Waltham, Hants, UK HMI: 7 Nov 1826, Drinkwater John, Blunden Ann, North Waltham but cannot see an Ann Blunden born ca 1799 at North Waltham in Bapt Index, there is an Ann bapt 13 May 1798 at Farnborough to James & Sarah -- John Lewis Debian & the GeneWeb genealogical data server

Beverley, I found one granddaughter Winifred Gladys Leslie FROST marrying a PRISMALL on John's website, but I don't know about the second one. Could you elucidate on her details? Struggling as I am with all the Smiths in the area, I have a note in my database that Thomas SMITH ca 1777 and the father of your Naomi Smith might be Thomas bap to Edmund and Mary Smith at Burghclere 13 April 1781. Just keeping it as a 'possible' until Edmund and Mary Smith can be traced. Perhaps in solidarity with those who would like to have attended the lunch but were unable to make it, "Next year in Kingsclere." should be the refrain. Regards, Nigel > Good Evening Nigel > Sorry I couldn't get to the lunch would have liked to. My interest in the > Prismall name is our Elizabeth Randall married James Hart ,Mother Naomi > Smith , she had a number of husband . Two of James & Elizabeth's > Granddaughters married into the PRISMALLS. I sent John Lewis the details. > Also our Elizabeth Bates who married our Robert Randall was the daughter of > John Bates Kingsclere & Betty Matthews of Hamstead Marshall. Regards > Beverley > --------------------------------------- > > >From Kingsclere. ALL SURNAMES IN CAPITAL LETTERS PLEASE. > > --------------------------------------- > If you get unsubscribed and did not ask to be unsubscribed, please email > eng-hampshire-kingsclere-admin@rootsweb.com > --------------------------------------- > Make sure your Anti Virus Protection is updated and do a weekly backup of > your files. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-HAMPSHIRE-KINGSCLERE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message