Mick, Here is just a little to try and help with the disconnected BIRD family tree. You may have already his details but if you follow John's The Kingsclere Families website the family of Stephen and Sarah Bird nee Cotterell should have an additional son David Bird who was baptised at St Mary's Kingsclere 22 March 1765. A speculation is that he produced a family like Francis away from the area and some of his children returned as a possible way to linking more of the fragments in the area. Fining his death/burial would help. I am also related to the GIRDLER family as I see your ancestors are too. The IGI does have a Bird=Girdler marriage in Hampshire on it. Francis Bird = Sarah Girdler at Bramshot, Hants on 01 Jan 1730. It might be a lead given the John Bradley (grandmother Mary Bird) marriage to Elizabeth Girdler 12 Feb 1849 at St Paul, Kingsclere Woodlands . Regards, Nigel > Hello Nigel. >   > The earliest BIRD name in my tree is that of Stephen BIRD, who married > Sarah COTTERALL in 1755  at St Mary, Kingsclere.  In 1796, his youngest > daughter Mary BIRD (ca. 1773) married Benjmanin MILES (ca. 1776) and they > were my 3x great-grandparents. > Mary did have a sister Sarah BIRD born ca.1762 (an earlier Sarah had died > in 1761), and I note from an earlier posting some time back by Dorothy > JONES that, in 1783, there was a Bastardy Bond concerning the child of > Sarah BIRD, living at the house of Stephen BIRD, labr, of Kingsclere, for > which Jethro CURR & Robert BRUSHWOOD, both of Burghclere, yeomen, were > bound in the sum of £100.  I don't know whether this was the same Sarah as > in my tree but it seems entirely possible, as Sarah's father and brother > were both called Stephen. > However, I don't know of any tie-up here with the MARTIN surname, unless > this was another liaison by the same Sarah!  But we are now into the realms > of pure speculation. As you say, there is too much fragmentary evidence to > build up a coherent picture. > Regards, > Mike > > --- On Sun, 29/11/09, Nigel St C Gerdes <nigel.gerdes@milnet.uk.net> wrote: >   > Mick, > > I am interested in the BIRD family because of the association with the > MARTIN  Family.  My 3x Grandfather was the elusive Robert MARTIN born ca > 1782 not in Hampshire buried 01 Aug 1842 at Burghclere with a given age of > 60 and his wife Rachel born Hampshire ca 1782 for whom no marriage has yet > been found. I have not been able to join up the numerous BIRD fragments > into a coherent tree. Robert Bird aka Martin was born  ca 1779 at Greenham > but I think he is a different MARTIN, to my 3x grandfather, since he was > buried at St Mary Greenham 20 April 1853 had a wife Sarah (marriage not > known) and the children were given the surname BIRD. > > Regards, > > Nigel Gerdes

Hello Nigel.   The earliest BIRD name in my tree is that of Stephen BIRD, who married Sarah COTTERALL in 1755  at St Mary, Kingsclere.  In 1796, his youngest daughter Mary BIRD (ca. 1773) married Benjmanin MILES (ca. 1776) and they were my 3x great-grandparents.   Mary did have a sister Sarah BIRD born ca.1762 (an earlier Sarah had died in 1761), and I note from an earlier posting some time back by Dorothy JONES that, in 1783, there was a Bastardy Bond concerning the child of Sarah BIRD, living at the house of Stephen BIRD, labr, of Kingsclere, for which Jethro CURR & Robert BRUSHWOOD, both of Burghclere, yeomen, were bound in the sum of £100.  I don't know whether this was the same Sarah as in my tree but it seems entirely possible, as Sarah's father and brother were both called Stephen.   However, I don't know of any tie-up here with the MARTIN surname, unless this was another liaison by the same Sarah!  But we are now into the realms of pure speculation. As you say, there is too much fragmentary evidence to build up a coherent picture.   Regards, Mike --- On Sun, 29/11/09, Nigel St C Gerdes <nigel.gerdes@milnet.uk.net> wrote:   Mick, I am interested in the BIRD family because of the association with the MARTIN  Family.  My 3x Grandfather was the elusive Robert MARTIN born ca 1782 not in Hampshire buried 01 Aug 1842 at Burghclere with a given age of 60 and his wife Rachel born Hampshire ca 1782 for whom no marriage has yet been found. I have not been able to join up the numerous BIRD fragments into a coherent tree. Robert Bird aka Martin was born  ca 1779 at Greenham but I think he is a different MARTIN, to my 3x grandfather, since he was buried at St Mary Greenham 20 April 1853 had a wife Sarah (marriage not known) and the children were given the surname BIRD. Regards, Nigel Gerdes

Mick, I am interested in the BIRD family because of the association with the MARTIN Family. My 3x Grandfather was the elusive Robert MARTIN born ca 1782 not in Hampshire buried 01 Aug 1842 at Burghclere with a given age of 60 and his wife Rachel born Hampshire ca 1782 for whom no marriage has yet been found. I have not been able to join up the numerous BIRD fragments into a coherent tree. Robert Bird aka Martin was born ca 1779 at Greenham but I think he is a different MARTIN, to my 3x grandfather, since he was buried at St Mary Greenham 20 April 1853 had a wife Sarah (marriage not known) and the children were given the surname BIRD. Regards, Nigel Gerdes > Thanks for this, Pam. I have to say that I gave up on > the COTTERELLs/  COTTERALLs (& other variant spellings) some time ago as > the evidence seemed so inconclusive. I couldn't, and still can't, see how > they all fitted together - assuming that they did anyway. (Same problem > with the BIRD/ BURD family, if anyone is looking at those!) > Thanks again for this info, > Mike > > --- On Sun, 29/11/09, Pam Sykes <pamela@jimandpamsykes.plus.com> wrote: >   > For Michael Bayliss: > > I have been able to group various names into a family - but nothing that > looks conclusive for either of us, sadly.  I have only looked at early > Coterals, which is a pity, since a cousin of mine has just informed me that > we have more Cottrells in the family, with our William Jennings 1883 > marrying Florence Lucy Cottrell 1881.  I may have to look again! > > Basingstoke:  John Cottrell married Sarah and they had William 1655, Jone > 1656 and Sarah 1666. > > John Cottrell (died 1671) married Elizabeth and they had John 1657( died), > John 1668 and possibly one other John. > > John Cottrell married Elizabeth Plimmer in 1754 and their children were > John 1755, Elizabeth 1756 and Mary 1757. > > Bramley: John Cottrell married Prudence in 1669 and they had Sarah 1670, > Mary 1674 and John 1679. > > John Cottrell (probably the last listed) married Mary and they had John > 1710, Mary 1711, Elizabeth 1712 and John 1715. > > Kingsclere: Michael Cottrell married Ann and had Francis 1756 and Ann 1758. > > Old Basing: John Cottrell was the father of Mary born 1686. > > George Cottrell married Mary and they had George 1714, Mary 1716, Edward > 1718 and Sarah 1723. > > Elizabeth Cottrell was the mother of Sarah born 1745. > > Rotherwick: Richard Cottrell was the father of George 1750, Richard 1753, > Mary 1756, John 1759 and Thomas 1763 (who subsequently married Jane 1778).  > Richard died 1773. > > Steventon: John Cottrell was the father of John 1606, Agnes 1609 (died > 1609) and Agnes 1610.  One or other of the Johns died 1648. > > Tadley: George Cottrell married Sarah and they had George 1773 and Charles > 1776. > > William Cottrell married Rachel. > > Best wishes > Pam > --------------------------------------- > > >From Kingsclere. ALL surnames in CAPITAL letter please. Christian name > > Lawrence surname LAWRENCE. > > --------------------------------------- > If you get unsubscribed and did not ask to be unsubscribed, please email > eng-hampshire-kingsclere-admin@rootsweb.com > --------------------------------------- > Make sure your Anti Virus Protection is updated and do a weekly backup of > your files. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-HAMPSHIRE-KINGSCLERE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for this, Pam. I have to say that I gave up on the COTTERELLs/  COTTERALLs (& other variant spellings) some time ago as the evidence seemed so inconclusive. I couldn't, and still can't, see how they all fitted together - assuming that they did anyway. (Same problem with the BIRD/ BURD family, if anyone is looking at those!)   Thanks again for this info, Mike --- On Sun, 29/11/09, Pam Sykes <pamela@jimandpamsykes.plus.com> wrote:   For Michael Bayliss: I have been able to group various names into a family - but nothing that looks conclusive for either of us, sadly.  I have only looked at early Coterals, which is a pity, since a cousin of mine has just informed me that we have more Cottrells in the family, with our William Jennings 1883 marrying Florence Lucy Cottrell 1881.  I may have to look again! Basingstoke:  John Cottrell married Sarah and they had William 1655, Jone 1656 and Sarah 1666. John Cottrell (died 1671) married Elizabeth and they had John 1657( died), John 1668 and possibly one other John. John Cottrell married Elizabeth Plimmer in 1754 and their children were John 1755, Elizabeth 1756 and Mary 1757. Bramley: John Cottrell married Prudence in 1669 and they had Sarah 1670, Mary 1674 and John 1679. John Cottrell (probably the last listed) married Mary and they had John 1710, Mary 1711, Elizabeth 1712 and John 1715. Kingsclere: Michael Cottrell married Ann and had Francis 1756 and Ann 1758. Old Basing: John Cottrell was the father of Mary born 1686. George Cottrell married Mary and they had George 1714, Mary 1716, Edward 1718 and Sarah 1723. Elizabeth Cottrell was the mother of Sarah born 1745. Rotherwick: Richard Cottrell was the father of George 1750, Richard 1753, Mary 1756, John 1759 and Thomas 1763 (who subsequently married Jane 1778).  Richard died 1773. Steventon: John Cottrell was the father of John 1606, Agnes 1609 (died 1609) and Agnes 1610.  One or other of the Johns died 1648. Tadley: George Cottrell married Sarah and they had George 1773 and Charles 1776. William Cottrell married Rachel. Best wishes Pam

For Michael Bayliss: I have been able to group various names into a family - but nothing that looks conclusive for either of us, sadly. I have only looked at early Coterals, which is a pity, since a cousin of mine has just informed me that we have more Cottrells in the family, with our William Jennings 1883 marrying Florence Lucy Cottrell 1881. I may have to look again! Basingstoke: John Cottrell married Sarah and they had William 1655, Jone 1656 and Sarah 1666. John Cottrell (died 1671) married Elizabeth and they had John 1657(died), John 1668 and possibly one other John. John Cottrell married Elizabeth Plimmer in 1754 and their children were John 1755, Elizabeth 1756 and Mary 1757. Bramley: John Cottrell married Prudence in 1669 and they had Sarah 1670, Mary 1674 and John 1679. John Cottrell(probably the last listed) married M ary and they had John 1710, Mary 1711, Elizabeth 1712 and John 1715. Kingsclere: Michael Cottrell married Ann and had Francis 1756 and Ann 1758. Old Basing: John Cottrell was the father of Mary born 1686. George Cottrell married Mary and they had George 1714, Mary 1716, Edward 1718 and Sarah 1723. Elizabeth Cottrell was the mother of Sarah born 1745. Rotherwick: Richard Cottrell was the father of George 1750, Richard 1753, Mary 1756, John 1759 and Thomas 1763 (who subsequently married Jane 1778). Richard died 1773. Steventon: John Cottrell was the father of John 1606, Agnes 1609(died 1609) and Agnes 1610. One or other of the Johns died 1648. Tadley: George Cottrell married Sarah and they had George 1773 and Charles 1776. William Cottrell married Rachel. Best wishes Pam

Having just spent an engrossing couple of hours reviewing the hundreds of photographs on the new Tadley and District History Society website, I thought other listers could also find something of interest at http://www.photosoftadley.co.uk The 400+ photographs are grouped into various topics including those from the book "Around Tadley People & Places" but also many more that have not been published -- click on the album titled "Around Tadley People & Places 2"! Note that pictures with a white border are actually albums which can be clicked to explore the many further photographs in that section. Kind regards.... Mike _________________________________________________________________ Add your Gmail and Yahoo! Mail email accounts into Hotmail - it's easy http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/186394592/direct/01/

Hello Everyone, Yesterday at the Basingstoke Group Meeting of HGS, we had the HGS Bookstall visit us, I bought for £2.00 (or £2.50 by post UK), a small booklet, very good information all to do with Kingsclere. This booklet gives information, also the serial number to look up at the Hampshire Record Office on the information. It talks about non-conformist worshipping as early as 12 December 1706, also certificates being issued, to worship in meeting house of people in the village, Richard DYER in Swan Street, Richard BRIDGEMAN in Plastow Green, John HALL in Ashford Hill, Richard PARKER also in Ashford Hill and many other names of residents who held meetings of different religions. There is a good write-up on the Public Houses and mentions surname of ALYN, AUSTIN, SHERWELL, WALTER, SEWARD, GARDNER, HERBERT, BATT, HUSSEY, and NAPPER. There are write-ups headed Location History Church Non-conformists Contiguous parish (pre1832 Village schools Taxation Trades people Public Houses Websites all www. kingsclere.net/history.shtml Kingsclere Methodist church website kingsclere.info/village_history.htm kingsclere.org.uk/pdf/murders.pdf southernlife.org.uk The booklet is publishes by the Hampshire Genealogical Society, author Roy Montgomeroy, look on the HGS website if you are interested. Kind regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants. UK BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk List Admin

Hello Dorothy, They also had the Silver Bands. The Hannington Silver Band played at one of the fetes held at St. Mary's Church, Kingsclere. Quote from GOOGLE. The Hannington Silver celebrated its 80th Anniversary in 2004 Kind regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants. UK BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dorothy Jones" <dee-jay@jones2115.fsnet.co.uk> To: <eng-hampshire-kingsclere@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 8:25 PM Subject: Re: [King] Reminiscences of Kingsclere Folk > Many thanks for reporting back, Peter. > > I've been having great fun with oral words in my aural > orifices! > > According to Bill THUMWOOD's reminiscences, the Kingsclere > residents made their own entertainment but were also visited > by professional entertainers, initially showing short films, > interspersed with sleigh bells or hand bells and a > "hydro-doctu-laxi-clicker-moniker"[my interpretation after > several attempts!]. Having since 'googled' hydro coupled > with armonica - see hydrodaktulopsychicharmonica > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass_harmonica > > Do the archives hold any posters relating to such events? > I'd be very interested to see an image of the instrument > brought to Kingsclere. > > Kind regards. > Dorothy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter L Goff" <peter.goff@btinternet.com> > To: <eng-hampshire-kingsclere@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 4:24 PM > Subject: Re: [King] Reminiscences of Kingsclere Folk > > >> >> Hello Dorothy >> >> Our archive ladies have checked and there is nothing in >> the archive in >> Kingsclere. >> >> regards >> Peter G >> >> Dorothy Jones wrote: >>> Does any 'lister' have knowledge of the musical folk of >>> Kingsclere of the 1860s-1920s period? > > > > --------------------------------------- >>From Kingsclere. ALL surnames in CAPITAL letter please. Christian >>name Lawrence surname LAWRENCE. > --------------------------------------- > If you get unsubscribed and did not ask to be unsubscribed, please > email eng-hampshire-kingsclere-admin@rootsweb.com > --------------------------------------- > Make sure your Anti Virus Protection is updated and do a weekly > backup of your files. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-HAMPSHIRE-KINGSCLERE-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.709 / Virus Database: 270.14.80/2523 - Release Date: 11/24/09 07:46:00

Many thanks for reporting back, Peter. I've been having great fun with oral words in my aural orifices! According to Bill THUMWOOD's reminiscences, the Kingsclere residents made their own entertainment but were also visited by professional entertainers, initially showing short films, interspersed with sleigh bells or hand bells and a "hydro-doctu-laxi-clicker-moniker"[my interpretation after several attempts!]. Having since 'googled' hydro coupled with armonica - see hydrodaktulopsychicharmonica http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass_harmonica Do the archives hold any posters relating to such events? I'd be very interested to see an image of the instrument brought to Kingsclere. Kind regards. Dorothy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter L Goff" <peter.goff@btinternet.com> To: <eng-hampshire-kingsclere@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 4:24 PM Subject: Re: [King] Reminiscences of Kingsclere Folk > > Hello Dorothy > > Our archive ladies have checked and there is nothing in > the archive in > Kingsclere. > > regards > Peter G > > Dorothy Jones wrote: >> Does any 'lister' have knowledge of the musical folk of >> Kingsclere of the 1860s-1920s period?

Hello Dorothy Our archive ladies have checked and there is nothing in the archive in Kingsclere. regards Peter G Dorothy Jones wrote: > Does any 'lister' have knowledge of the musical folk of > Kingsclere of the 1860s-1920s period? > > Nora SPARKES [nee HISCOCK] spoke of her father 'Fiddler' Dan > HISCOCK [1835-1909] but Bill THUMWOOD did not mention by > name the crippled lady of the village who taught him to play > the mandolin. > > > > --------------------------------------- > >From Kingsclere. ALL surnames in CAPITAL letter please. Christian name Lawrence surname LAWRENCE. > --------------------------------------- > If you get unsubscribed and did not ask to be unsubscribed, please email eng-hampshire-kingsclere-admin@rootsweb.com > --------------------------------------- > Make sure your Anti Virus Protection is updated and do a weekly backup of your files. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HAMPSHIRE-KINGSCLERE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _______________________________________ > No viruses found in this incoming message > Scanned by iolo AntiVirus 1.5.3.5 > http://www.iolo.com > > >

Does any 'lister' have knowledge of the musical folk of Kingsclere of the 1860s-1920s period? Nora SPARKES [nee HISCOCK] spoke of her father 'Fiddler' Dan HISCOCK [1835-1909] but Bill THUMWOOD did not mention by name the crippled lady of the village who taught him to play the mandolin.

Peter, I do have in my own tree a HULL family connection at the end of the 19th century in the East End of London. As far back as I can get on the Hull side will be either a Joseph or Thomas Hull producing first children in the early 1820's and therefore likely to have born at the close of the 18th century. Do you have any Hampshire Hulls in your tree who are possible candidates for a shift from Hampshire to London? Regards, Nigel > I am seeking to make contact, and to share HULL family history notes, with > any relation or researcher of my cousin, William Frederick HULL. > > William Frederick HULL, was baptized in East Woodhay, Hants, on March > 9th., 1849. In the 1901 census, William 52, single, was a farmer in East > Woodhay, with his mother, Sarah Ann 85 a widow, living with him. In Q1 of > 1904 in Kensington district, William Frederick HULL married Bessie > HODDINOTT (Free BMD ref: 1a / 306). William and Bessie farmed at West > Woodhay, Berks. At the 1911 census for Hungerford district, William 62, > Bessie 39 and their three children were enumerated. On July 30th., 1918, > Bessie HULL 47 was buried in West Woodhay (NBI-2); on January 10th., 1939, > William Frederick HULL 89 was buried in West Woodhay, St. Laurence (NBI-2). > William and Bessie had issue: > a. Edith HULL, born in Kingsclere district, Berks, about Q3 of 1904; > b. William Frederick HULL, born in Kingsclere district, Berks, about > Q1 of 1906; > c. Maggie HULL, born in Kingsclere district, Berks, about Q2 of > 1909. > > Best wishes. > > > Peter Ferreira > Toronto, Canada. > > > --------------------------------------- > > >From Kingsclere. ALL surnames in CAPITAL letter please. Christian name > > Lawrence surname LAWRENCE. > > --------------------------------------- > If you get unsubscribed and did not ask to be unsubscribed, please email > eng-hampshire-kingsclere-admin@rootsweb.com > --------------------------------------- > Make sure your Anti Virus Protection is updated and do a weekly backup of > your files. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-HAMPSHIRE-KINGSCLERE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Nigel, Greetings from Toronto, Canada. My regrets. My Hull ancestry goes back to Christian Malford, Wilts, in the latter half of the 1700s. Unfortunately, I do not have any known Hull males who migrated to London in your time-span. I wish you successes in your search for your family history. Best wishes. Peter Ferreira. ----- Original Message ----- From: Nigel St C Gerdes To: Peter Ferreira ; eng-hampshire-kingsclere@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 4:15 PM Subject: Re: [King] William Frederick HULL (1849 - 1939) Farmer of East & West Woodhay Peter, I do have in my own tree a HULL family connection at the end of the 19th century in the East End of London. As far back as I can get on the Hull side will be either a Joseph or Thomas Hull producing first children in the early 1820's and therefore likely to have born at the close of the 18th century. Do you have any Hampshire Hulls in your tree who are possible candidates for a shift from Hampshire to London? Regards, Nigel > I am seeking to make contact, and to share HULL family history notes, with > any relation or researcher of my cousin, William Frederick HULL. > > William Frederick HULL, was baptized in East Woodhay, Hants, on March > 9th., 1849. In the 1901 census, William 52, single, was a farmer in East > Woodhay, with his mother, Sarah Ann 85 a widow, living with him. In Q1 of > 1904 in Kensington district, William Frederick HULL married Bessie > HODDINOTT (Free BMD ref: 1a / 306). William and Bessie farmed at West > Woodhay, Berks. At the 1911 census for Hungerford district, William 62, > Bessie 39 and their three children were enumerated. On July 30th., 1918, > Bessie HULL 47 was buried in West Woodhay (NBI-2); on January 10th., 1939, > William Frederick HULL 89 was buried in West Woodhay, St. Laurence (NBI-2). > William and Bessie had issue: > a. Edith HULL, born in Kingsclere district, Berks, about Q3 of 1904; > b. William Frederick HULL, born in Kingsclere district, Berks, about > Q1 of 1906; > c. Maggie HULL, born in Kingsclere district, Berks, about Q2 of > 1909. > > Best wishes. > > > Peter Ferreira > Toronto, Canada. > > > --------------------------------------- > > >From Kingsclere. ALL surnames in CAPITAL letter please. Christian name > > Lawrence surname LAWRENCE. > > --------------------------------------- > If you get unsubscribed and did not ask to be unsubscribed, please email > eng-hampshire-kingsclere-admin@rootsweb.com > --------------------------------------- > Make sure your Anti Virus Protection is updated and do a weekly backup of > your files. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-HAMPSHIRE-KINGSCLERE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am seeking to make contact, and to share HULL family history notes, with any relation or researcher of my cousin, William Frederick HULL. William Frederick HULL, was baptized in East Woodhay, Hants, on March 9th., 1849. In the 1901 census, William 52, single, was a farmer in East Woodhay, with his mother, Sarah Ann 85 a widow, living with him. In Q1 of 1904 in Kensington district, William Frederick HULL married Bessie HODDINOTT (Free BMD ref: 1a / 306). William and Bessie farmed at West Woodhay, Berks. At the 1911 census for Hungerford district, William 62, Bessie 39 and their three children were enumerated. On July 30th., 1918, Bessie HULL 47 was buried in West Woodhay (NBI-2); on January 10th., 1939, William Frederick HULL 89 was buried in West Woodhay, St. Laurence (NBI-2). William and Bessie had issue: a. Edith HULL, born in Kingsclere district, Berks, about Q3 of 1904; b. William Frederick HULL, born in Kingsclere district, Berks, about Q1 of 1906; c. Maggie HULL, born in Kingsclere district, Berks, about Q2 of 1909. Best wishes. Peter Ferreira Toronto, Canada.

Thank you,Pam --- On Thu, 19/11/09, Pam Sykes <pamela@jimandpamsykes.plus.com> wrote:   For Michael Bayliss - Thank you Michael.  I am going to try to identify the Cottrells with the villages around Basingstoke.  I'll let you know if I have any success. Best wishes Pam

Many thanks to those who replied to my query about the whereabouts of the registers. John Lewis was kind enough to tell me exactly what the baptismal entry says so I am saved the trouble of a visit to the Winchester. Regards John Stevens

Hi Bruce If you take a look at the website I mentioned previously, http://startx.co.uk:2317/Kingsclere you will see that Abraham is recorded the son of Samuel ROLFE /Sarah MOODY. Their line of descent appears from Joseph, son of Samuel ROLFE/Mary RE. Dorothy ----- Original Message ----- From: "bruce rolfe" <arolfebruce@yahoo.co.uk> To: <eng-hampshire-kingsclere@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 4:02 PM Subject: [King] dodging serendipities Hi Dorothy. Abraham is not a name I am familiar with in my branch of the ROLFE family . who was his father and mother ,he may have been one of the offspring of the children of john ROLFE and sarah BENNETT. either william --john or james. .

No Bruce, I didn't. I am a Londoner born, educated and bred. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "bruce rolfe" <arolfebruce@yahoo.co.uk> To: <eng-hampshire-kingsclere@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 8:11 PM Subject: Re: [King] Ecchinswell Parish Registers by the way john did you go to kingsclere school in the 50tys ________________________________ From: John Stevens <john.stevens27@virgin.net> To: ENG-HAMPSHIRE-KINGSCLERE@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, 18 November, 2009 19:34:02 Subject: [King] Ecchinswell Parish Registers Hello. I am trying to obtain a copy of the baptismal entry of David Palmer Stevens who was apparently baptised in Ecchinswell on 20th March 1818, apparently the illegitimate son of Mary Stevens. It seems that the registers for Ecchinswell are not available on Ancestry.co.uk so can anyone kindly advise me where the registers - or copies thereof - might reside please? In passing, if anyone on this list has a personal interest in the Stevens family of Ecchinswell I would be delighted to hear from them. Many thanks John Stevens --------------------------------------- >>From Kingsclere. ALL surnames in CAPITAL letter please. Christian name >>Lawrence surname LAWRENCE. --------------------------------------- If you get unsubscribed and did not ask to be unsubscribed, please email eng-hampshire-kingsclere-admin@rootsweb.com --------------------------------------- Make sure your Anti Virus Protection is updated and do a weekly backup of your files. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HAMPSHIRE-KINGSCLERE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

For Michael Bayliss - Thank you Michael. I am going to try to identify the Cottrells with the villages around Basingstoke. I'll let you know if I have any success. Best wishes Pam

Thanks Dorothy I am a direct descendant of joseph and mary TIGWELL. [john ROLFEand mary FARMER.  rebecca ] rebecca spurious son charles edward ROLFE, whos son albert ROLFE was my G.FATHER. ________________________________ From: Dorothy Jones <dee-jay@jones2115.fsnet.co.uk> To: eng-hampshire-kingsclere@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, 19 November, 2009 9:02:22 Subject: Re: [King] dodging serendipities Hi Bruce If you take a look at the website I mentioned previously, http://startx.co.uk:2317/Kingsclere you will see that Abraham is recorded the son of  Samuel ROLFE /Sarah MOODY. Their line of descent appears from Joseph, son of Samuel ROLFE/Mary RE. Dorothy ----- Original Message ----- From: "bruce rolfe" <arolfebruce@yahoo.co.uk> To: <eng-hampshire-kingsclere@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 4:02 PM Subject: [King] dodging serendipities Hi Dorothy. Abraham is not a name I am familiar with in my branch of the ROLFE family . who was his father and mother ,he may have been one of the offspring of the children of john ROLFE and sarah BENNETT. either william --john or james. . --------------------------------------- >From Kingsclere. ALL surnames in CAPITAL letter please. Christian name Lawrence surname LAWRENCE. --------------------------------------- If you get unsubscribed and did not ask to be unsubscribed, please email eng-hampshire-kingsclere-admin@rootsweb.com  --------------------------------------- Make sure your Anti Virus Protection is updated and do a weekly backup of your files. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HAMPSHIRE-KINGSCLERE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message