Hello list, My interests remain as the families Head and Snook. Mic Laird

On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:37:34 -0000 "Geoff Hunt" <geoff.t.hunt@btinternet.com> wrote: > Thank you for that John, it ties in with your thoughts of James and > Ann Povey as the parents. > > We now have two Daniel HUNTs born Ecchingswell 1854-1856:- > 1. Son of Ann > 2. Son of George and Ann Maria Lansley > > You have identified two baptisms but I can only find one entry in > Ancestry - Daniel HUNT Dec 1854- Kingsclere - 2c 173 which must > relate to George's son. > > The only other entry that might tie in is Daniel WHITE Dec 1856- > Kingsclere - 2c 191. There were two Daniel Whites in Kingsclere Registration District in 1861 both 4 years old. the first is the son of George and Ann and living in Ecchinswell, the second the grandson of Jonathan & Jane White and living in Woodcot. The 1851 Census shows Jonathan & Jane had 6 children living then, including a 2 year old Daniel. This Daniel is probably the one who died in 1855 Deaths Sep 1855: White Daniel, Kingsclere 2c 118 > Could Ann have waited until after the marriage before registering the > birth even though the child had been baptised? I don't think is very likely, there were penalties for late registration and if delayed that long after birth I think the Registrar would refuse to register the birth 1836 Act. XXII. And be it enacted, That after the Expiration of Forty-two Days following the Day of the Birth of any Child it shall not be lawful for any Registrar to register such Birth, save as herein-after is next mentioned ; provided that, in case the Birth of any Child shall not have been registered according to the Provisions herein-before contained, it shall be lawful for any person present at the Birth of such Child, or for the Father or Guardian thereof, at any Time within Six Calendar Months next after the Birth, to make a solemn Declaration of the Particulars required to be known touching the Birth of such Child, according to the best of his or her Knowledge and Belief, and it thereupon be lawful for the said Registrar then and there, in the Presence of the Superintendent Registrar, to register the Birth of the said Child according to the Information of the Person making the said Declaration ; and in every such Case the Superintendent Registrar before whom the said Declaration is made shall sign the Entry of Birth as well as the registrar, and for every such Registry as last aforesaid the Superintendent Registrar shall be entitled to have a Fee of Two Shillings and Sixpence from the Person requiring the same to be registered ; and the Registrar, over and above the Fee herein-after enacted in respect of every birth registered by him, shall be entitled, unless the Delay shall have been occasioned by his Default, to have a Fee of Five Shillings from the person requiring the same to be registered ; and no Register of Births shall be given in Evidence to prove the Birth of any Child wherein it shall appear that Forty-two Days have intervened between the Day of the Birth and the Day of the Registration of the Birth of such Child, unless the Entry shall be signed by the Superintendent Registrar ; and every person who shall knowingly register or cause to be registered the Birth of any Child, otherwise than herein-before is last mentioned, after the Expiration of Forty-two Days following the Day of Birth of such Child, shall forfeit and pay for every such Offence a Sum not exceeding Fifty Pounds. XXIII. And be it enacted, That aere, in the Presence of the Superintendent Registrar, to register the Birth of the said Child according to the Information of the Person making the said Declaration ; and in every such Case the Superintendent Registrar before whom the said Declaration is made shall sign the Entry of Birth as well as the registrar, and for every such Registry as last aforesaid the Superintendent Registrar shall be entitled to have a Fee of Two Shillings and Sixpence from the Person requiring the same to be registered ; and the Registrar, over and above the Fee herein-after enacted in respect of every birth registered by him, shall be entitled, unless the Delay shall have been occasioned by his Default, to have a Fee of Five Shillings from the person requiring the same to be registered ; and no Register of Births shall be given in Evidence to prove the Birth of any Child wherein it shall appear that Forty-two Days have intervened between the Day of the Birth and the Day of the Registration of the Birth of such Child, unless the Entry shall be signed by the Superintendent Registrar ; and every person who shall knowingly register or cause to be registered the Birth of any Child, otherwise than herein-before is last mentioned, after the Expiration of Forty-two Days following the Day of Birth of such Child, shall forfeit and pay for every such Offence a Sum not exceeding Fifty Pounds. XXIII. And be it enacted, That after the Expiration of Six Calendar Months following the Birth of any Child it shall not be lawful for any Registrar to register the Birth of such Child, and no Register of Births, except in the Case of Children born at Sea, shall be given in Evidence to prove the Birth of any Child wherein it shall appear that Six Calendar Months have intervened between the Day of the Birth and the Day of the Registration of the Birth of such Child ; and every Person who shall knowingly register or cause to be registered the Birth of any Child after the Expiration of Six Calendar Months following the Day of the Birth of such Child shall forfeit and pay for every such Offence a Sum not exceeding Fifty Pounds. -- John Lewis Debian & the GeneWeb genealogical data server

Thank you for that John, it ties in with your thoughts of James and Ann Povey as the parents. We now have two Daniel HUNTs born Ecchingswell 1854-1856:- 1. Son of Ann 2. Son of George and Ann Maria Lansley You have identified two baptisms but I can only find one entry in Ancestry - Daniel HUNT Dec 1854- Kingsclere - 2c 173 which must relate to George's son. The only other entry that might tie in is Daniel WHITE Dec 1856- Kingsclere - 2c 191. Could Ann have waited until after the marriage before registering the birth even though the child had been baptised? ----- Original Message ----- From: "john lewis" <zen57162@zen.co.uk> To: <eng-hampshire-kingsclere@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [King] Ann HUNT > The marriage certificate for George White and Ann Hunt has just > arrived in the post, as I anticipated it took place at St. Lawrence, > Ecchinswell. > > Entry no 46 in the register of Marriages, in the Registration > District of Kingsclere > 1856 Nov 15th > > George White full bachelor labourer Ecchinswell James White labourer > Ann Hunt 19 spinster -- Ecchinswell John Salter Hunt labourer > > Married after banns by Lewis Rigg Vicar > > both George and Ann made their mark as did witnesses Thomas Haynes & > Eliza Vince > > -- > John Lewis > Debian & the GeneWeb genealogical data server > --------------------------------------- >>From Kingsclere. ALL surnames in CAPITAL letter please. Christian name >>Lawrence surname LAWRENCE. > --------------------------------------- > If you get unsubscribed and did not ask to be unsubscribed, please email > eng-hampshire-kingsclere-admin@rootsweb.com > --------------------------------------- > Make sure your Anti Virus Protection is updated and do a weekly backup of > your files. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-HAMPSHIRE-KINGSCLERE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

The marriage certificate for George White and Ann Hunt has just arrived in the post, as I anticipated it took place at St. Lawrence, Ecchinswell. Entry no 46 in the register of Marriages, in the Registration District of Kingsclere 1856 Nov 15th George White full bachelor labourer Ecchinswell James White labourer Ann Hunt 19 spinster -- Ecchinswell John Salter Hunt labourer Married after banns by Lewis Rigg Vicar both George and Ann made their mark as did witnesses Thomas Haynes & Eliza Vince -- John Lewis Debian & the GeneWeb genealogical data server

On Mon, 18 Jan 2010 16:42:05 -0000 "Geoff Hunt" <geoff.t.hunt@btinternet.com> wrote: > Hi again Dorothy and John, > > I have been looking again at Ann in the Workhouse in 1871.Other > inmates include:- > > Lucy WHITE age 10 > Walter James WHITE 7 > Rosin WHITE 4 > Clara WHITE 2 > Arthur William WHITE 3mth. Walter and Rosina were baptised at St Lawrence on 26 Jul 1863 and 1 Oct 1865 respectively and recorded as children of George & Ann so we can be sure they are legitimate. I cannot see baptisms for Clara or Arthur William at St. Lawrence or St. Mary and the census records them as being born Stockcross and Speen It was, I suppose, part of the Workhouse 'culture' that didn't record families as families but listed children just as 'children of inmates'. However Lucy Rosina & Clara are grouped together although that may be simply alphabetical on account of their surnames being the same. Births Jun 1868: White Clara, Newbury 2c 228 Births Dec 1870: White Arthur William, Newbury 2c 221 > In 1881 along with Ann and William HAINES is:- > > Lucy WHITE age 22 > Walter WHITE 19 > Clara WHITE 12 > William WHITE 10 > plus HAINES children > > This would indicate that Ann gave birth to the last WHITE child about > Jan.1870 bringing George WHITE's death in 1866 into question. Unless > she took on a brother-in-law's children? As Dorothy suggest they could have been illegitimately born before she married William Haines but it will need birth cert(s) to be sure. I cannot see a burial for George White in the Berks Burial Index nor in St Lawrence, St. Mary or St Paul burial registers but looking at George White deaths in FreeBMD 1865-73 there _is_ only the 1866 one that fits his birth in about 1834. The IGI has only one possible baptism - at Speen on 6 Jul 1834, with parents James White & Ann Povey who married on 4 Jan 1834 at Speen, both member submitted entries unfortunately so need confirming. For now I am going to add the two children as illegitimate births to Ann White and hope someone will eventually be able to confirm this. -- John Lewis Debian & the GeneWeb genealogical data server

Hi again Dorothy and John, I have been looking again at Ann in the Workhouse in 1871.Other inmates include:- Lucy WHITE age 10 Walter James WHITE 7 Rosin WHITE 4 Clara WHITE 2 Arthur William WHITE 3mth. In 1881 along with Ann and William HAINES is:- Lucy WHITE age 22 Walter WHITE 19 Clara WHITE 12 William WHITE 10 plus HAINES children This would indicate that Ann gave birth to the last WHITE child about Jan.1870 bringing George WHITE's death in 1866 into question. Unless she took on a brother-in-law's children? Have you any thoughts on this? Geoff

Well, of course, one obvious possibility is that Ann had two illegitimate children (Clara and Arthur William) after George had died and before she was married to William Haines. It may be necessary to obtain certificates to check this. Dorothy -----Original Message----- From: Geoff Hunt <geoff.t.hunt@btinternet.com> To: eng-hampshire-kingsclere@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 16:42 Subject: [King] Ann HUNT Hi again Dorothy and John, I have been looking again at Ann in the Workhouse in 1871.Other inmates nclude:- Lucy WHITE age 10 alter James WHITE 7 osin WHITE 4 lara WHITE 2 rthur William WHITE 3mth. In 1881 along with Ann and William HAINES is:- Lucy WHITE age 22 alter WHITE 19 lara WHITE 12 illiam WHITE 10 lus HAINES children This would indicate that Ann gave birth to the last WHITE child about an.1870 bringing George WHITE's death in 1866 into question. Unless she ook on a brother-in-law's children? Have you any thoughts on this? Geoff --------------------------------------- >From Kingsclere. ALL surnames in CAPITAL letter please. Christian name Lawrence urname LAWRENCE. -------------------------------------- f you get unsubscribed and did not ask to be unsubscribed, please email ng-hampshire-kingsclere-admin@rootsweb.com -------------------------------------- ake sure your Anti Virus Protection is updated and do a weekly backup of your iles. ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HAMPSHIRE-KINGSCLERE-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

Hello Everyone, Two weeks today is the Bracknell Fair. Bracknell Family History Fair. Where: Bracknell Leisure Centre, Bagshot Road ( A322), Bracknell, Berkshire, RG12 9SE. When: Sunday 31st January 2010 between 10am - 5pm Car parking free. Entrance Fee of £3 this year www.berksfhs.org.uk/bracknellfair/talks/ This is the biggest Family History Fair in Southern England, there are lots of different society Stalls, Book Stalls etc., well worth a visit if you have not been there before. As in previous years, the Society has organised talks on several subjects in the Forest Suite throughout the day. Each session lasts an hour and includes questions, but we expect the speakers will return to either the Berkshire Family History Society stall or their own stall should more time be needed for questions. There is a nominal charge of £2 for each session or £5 for all three talks. You should book ahead to make sure of your seat at any of the three sessions: Time Topic and speaker Ticket 10:45 “Bring Family History to life using Heritage Sources” with Charlotte Wiberg of the National Monuments Record. £2 12:00 “Getting the most out of the 1911 Census” with Debra Chatfield from findmypast.co.uk £2 13:15 “How DNA testing helps you confirm your Family links” with Chris Pomeroy £2 All three talks £5 Berks FHS Books deal with credit and debit card sales: Terms and Conditions See how to order online To order by post please use our Mail Order Form Tickets for these talks can also be purchased in advance from the Berkshire FHS Research Centre and Branch meetings. These tickets are for the talks. There is a separate entrance charge for the fair, organised by Family History Fairs If you do visit Bracknell, most people take a packed lunch, as the small cafe takes ages to serve, due to the big queues, you can get a coffee out of the machines. Kind regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants. UK (the snow has gone and the sun is shinning) BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk List Admin

Dear list I am researching BOMAN/BOWMAN in particular and would like to ask if anyone has come across JOHN BOMAN who married SARAH MATTHEWS in Pamber, Hants in August 1774. I have a SARAH MATTHEWS born in Pamber in 1743, she being the only one nearest to the marriage date, but even that takes her out of the first flush of youth. JOHN BOMAN may have come out of county as I have cast the net outside Pamber but not over the border into Berkshire. If anyone has any knowledge of him I should be most grateful as this is my 'brick wall' Regards Margaret Bowman

On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:28:03 -0000 "Geoff Hunt" <geoff.t.hunt@btinternet.com> wrote: > Yes I did pick up Ann in Newbury workhouse in 1871, there is also a > death of a George WHITE in Newbury Qtr.1 - 1866 aged 32 which would > tie in. > > I also believe that Ann then married William Haines in Newbury Qtr.3 > - 1873(2c434). > > In 1881 in Newbury there is William HAINES and Ann with Lucy WHITE, > Clara WHITE,Walter WHITE and William WHITE. Having looked at all the William HAINES (and variants) I think William was born about 1821 in Thatcham son of Giles and Amelia (ALLEN) who married at St. Mary, Thatcham on 24 Nov 1816. William was previously married to Mary Ann PALMER in Newbury RD, Sep Qtr 1844 and had the following children with her John ca 1846 Elizabeth ca 1848 Sarah ca 1850 George ca 1854 Charles H ca 1856 Tom ca 1859 Edgar ca 1864 Mary A Haines died in Sep Qtr 1866, probably in Speen where she was born about 1826 (1851 & 1861 Census) Ann (HUNT) is a widow again by 1891 and the only entry in Berks Burial Index for a William is the entry for 23 Feb 1888 at St Mary the Virgin, Speen which has age as 74. This would make him born about 1814 so am not sure if I have the correct William after all ;-( Ann HAINES was living in Newbury age 66 in 1901 Census and BBI has a burial for a 68 year old Ann at St. Mary Thatcham on 14 Dec 1904. -- John Lewis Debian & the GeneWeb genealogical data server

BlankJohn, Thank you for all of your assistance, it will be interesting to see the time between Daniel's birth and the marriage in the 4th. Qtr. 1856. Was George the father and took his time getting married, or was he not the father and took pity on Ann? We will probably never know. Once again many thanks, Geoff

On Thu, 14 Jan 2010 18:27:12 -0000 "Geoff Hunt" <geoff.t.hunt@btinternet.com> wrote: > BlankHi Everyone, > > A Happy New Year to you all. > > Looking at John's database I see he has two Ann HUNT's circa 1838. > > > 1. Daughter of John Salter and Sarah BUTLER > > 2. Daughter of Joseph and Ann H > > I think there was a marriage between Ann HUNT and George WHITE in > Kingsclere RD 4th. Qtr. 1856. > > This family is living at Fishpond Cottages, Kingsclere in 1861:- > George WHITE age 26 > Ann 23 > Daniel 4 > Mary A 2 > Lucy 4 mths > > Given the names of the children- Daniel and Lucy who could have been > named after Ann's brother Daniel and his wife Lucy North there is a > good chance that Ann is the daughter of John and Sarah. Daniel HUNT, mother Ann HUNT of Ecchinswell, baptised at St Lawrence on May 11 1856, no father's name recorded (entry 218) Mary Ann dau of George & Ann WHITE (of Ecchinswell), baptised at St Lawrence on Nov 7 1858 (entry 256) Lucy dau of George & Ann WHITE (of Ecchinswell) bapt at St. Lawrence on Feb 24 1861 (entry 304) So even without the marriage certificate I think we can safely conclude Ann Hunt was the dau of John Salter and Sarah (BUTLER) Hunt -- John Lewis Debian & the GeneWeb genealogical data server

On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:28:03 -0000 "Geoff Hunt" <geoff.t.hunt@btinternet.com> wrote: > In the Ancestry BDM Index is the marriage of Ann HUNT Qtr.4 - 1856 > (2c 443), on the same page is Thomas PAGE, George WHITE and Sarah > WOODLEY. In the 1861 census I can only tie George WHITE age 26 born > Speen with Ann age 23 born Ecchingswell hence the assumption for the > marriage. Dorothy also said that the other Ann was born 1738 and not > 1838 which would also shorten the odds? I found Thomas PAGE, journeyman miller born ca1803 Lambourne Berks with a wife Sarah living in Ecchinswell in 1861, Sarah age 60 born Boxford. I then found Sarah WOODLEY wife of James Woodley who died in Kingsclere Woodlands in Feb 1856 and was buried at St Paul on 13 Feb. Her birthplace and age match the Sarah above. Thomas Page was previously married, Kingsclere RD (again probably in Ecchinswell to Jane CARTER bapt 2 November 1804 in Ecchinswell (St. Mary Register) youngest daughter of Nathaniel and Mary (ANSELL) Carter. Thomas & Jane were living in Ecchinswell in 1851, he was recorded as a journeyman miller born Lambourne. Jane was buried at St. Lawrence on 17 Oct 1855 age 51 So I think that eliminates the Thomas & Sarah couple from that FreeBMD entry. Marriage cert for Ann HUNT has been ordered so will have to wait until it arrives, which if other certs I have ordered recently are any guide, could be here in about a week. -- John Lewis Debian & the GeneWeb genealogical data server

On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:28:03 -0000 "Geoff Hunt" <geoff.t.hunt@btinternet.com> wrote: > Hi Dorothy and John, > > In the Ancestry BDM Index is the marriage of Ann HUNT Qtr.4 - 1856 > (2c 443), on the same page is Thomas PAGE, George WHITE and Sarah > WOODLEY. In the 1861 census I can only tie George WHITE age 26 born > Speen with Ann age 23 born Ecchingswell hence the assumption for the > marriage. Dorothy also said that the other Ann was born 1738 and not > 1838 which would also shorten the odds? > > It would be wonderful if someone had access to or the opportunity to > check the St. Lawrence, Ecchingswell records, unfortunately living in > Scotland prevents the "hands on" approach. The simplest solution will be for me to order a copy of the marriage certificate. Once I get it I will pass on the details > Yes I did pick up Ann in Newbury workhouse in 1871, there is also a > death of a George WHITE in Newbury Qtr.1 - 1866 aged 32 which would > tie in. > > I also believe that Ann then married William Haines in Newbury Qtr.3 > - 1873(2c434). > In 1881 in Newbury there is William HAINES and Ann with Lucy WHITE, > Clara WHITE,Walter WHITE and William WHITE. I'll follow this up too -- John Lewis Debian & the GeneWeb genealogical data server

Hi Dorothy and John, In the Ancestry BDM Index is the marriage of Ann HUNT Qtr.4 - 1856 (2c 443), on the same page is Thomas PAGE, George WHITE and Sarah WOODLEY. In the 1861 census I can only tie George WHITE age 26 born Speen with Ann age 23 born Ecchingswell hence the assumption for the marriage. Dorothy also said that the other Ann was born 1738 and not 1838 which would also shorten the odds? It would be wonderful if someone had access to or the opportunity to check the St. Lawrence, Ecchingswell records, unfortunately living in Scotland prevents the "hands on" approach. Yes I did pick up Ann in Newbury workhouse in 1871, there is also a death of a George WHITE in Newbury Qtr.1 - 1866 aged 32 which would tie in. I also believe that Ann then married William Haines in Newbury Qtr.3 - 1873(2c434). In 1881 in Newbury there is William HAINES and Ann with Lucy WHITE, Clara WHITE,Walter WHITE and William WHITE. Many thanks and Regards Geoff ----- Original Message ----- From: "john lewis" <zen57162@zen.co.uk> To: <eng-hampshire-kingsclere@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 1:54 PM Subject: Re: [King] Ann Hunt > On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 04:34:02 -0500 > ovendenws@aol.com wrote: > >> >> Hi Geoff and list, >> >> This is an interesting one. I went through Kingsclere PR and copied >> down all the entries for HUNT, but I do not have this marriage. Of >> course it's possible I may have missed it! but the other possibility >> is that it took place in another parish which comes under Kingsclere >> RD. I do not appear to have any record of what happened to John >> Salter Hunt's daughter Ann after 1851 Census, so she is certainly a >> possible 'contender', especially given that Ann White gives her place >> of birth as Ecchinswell. John Salter Hunt's children nearly always >> did this; the only other HUNTs to claim Ecchinswell as their >> birthplace were the children of James and Eliza(HILL), but they had >> no daughter called Ann. The Ann HUNT daughter of Joseph and Ann was >> in fact born in 1738, not 1838. Kingsclere PR show only one Ann Hunt >> in the date range 1836 to 1840, and that is the daughter of John >> Salter Hunt. It seems very likely that it was she who was married to >> George WHITE, but to be sure it would be useful to get the marriage >> cert (or the PR entry if we can find out which parish!) I see Ann and >> her children were in Newbury workhouse in 1871; I don't know whether >> there are any records for that, which might help. > > If she is indeed the daughter of John Salter Hunt then the chances are > she married at St. Lawrence, Ecchinswell. The St Lawrence marriage > register is still held in the Parish (so far as I know) so there is > nothing to see at Hants RO. > > So it really needs the marriage certificate to sort this one out. > > -- > John Lewis > Debian & the GeneWeb genealogical data server > --------------------------------------- >>From Kingsclere. ALL surnames in CAPITAL letter please. Christian name >>Lawrence surname LAWRENCE. > --------------------------------------- > If you get unsubscribed and did not ask to be unsubscribed, please email > eng-hampshire-kingsclere-admin@rootsweb.com > --------------------------------------- > Make sure your Anti Virus Protection is updated and do a weekly backup of > your files. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-HAMPSHIRE-KINGSCLERE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 04:34:02 -0500 ovendenws@aol.com wrote: > > Hi Geoff and list, > > This is an interesting one. I went through Kingsclere PR and copied > down all the entries for HUNT, but I do not have this marriage. Of > course it's possible I may have missed it! but the other possibility > is that it took place in another parish which comes under Kingsclere > RD. I do not appear to have any record of what happened to John > Salter Hunt's daughter Ann after 1851 Census, so she is certainly a > possible 'contender', especially given that Ann White gives her place > of birth as Ecchinswell. John Salter Hunt's children nearly always > did this; the only other HUNTs to claim Ecchinswell as their > birthplace were the children of James and Eliza(HILL), but they had > no daughter called Ann. The Ann HUNT daughter of Joseph and Ann was > in fact born in 1738, not 1838. Kingsclere PR show only one Ann Hunt > in the date range 1836 to 1840, and that is the daughter of John > Salter Hunt. It seems very likely that it was she who was married to > George WHITE, but to be sure it would be useful to get the marriage > cert (or the PR entry if we can find out which parish!) I see Ann and > her children were in Newbury workhouse in 1871; I don't know whether > there are any records for that, which might help. If she is indeed the daughter of John Salter Hunt then the chances are she married at St. Lawrence, Ecchinswell. The St Lawrence marriage register is still held in the Parish (so far as I know) so there is nothing to see at Hants RO. So it really needs the marriage certificate to sort this one out. -- John Lewis Debian & the GeneWeb genealogical data server

Hi Geoff and list, This is an interesting one. I went through Kingsclere PR and copied down all the entries for HUNT, but I do not have this marriage. Of course it's possible I may have missed it! but the other possibility is that it took place in another parish which comes under Kingsclere RD. I do not appear to have any record of what happened to John Salter Hunt's daughter Ann after 1851 Census, so she is certainly a possible 'contender', especially given that Ann White gives her place of birth as Ecchinswell. John Salter Hunt's children nearly always did this; the only other HUNTs to claim Ecchinswell as their birthplace were the children of James and Eliza(HILL), but they had no daughter called Ann. The Ann HUNT daughter of Joseph and Ann was in fact born in 1738, not 1838. Kingsclere PR show only one Ann Hunt in the date range 1836 to 1840, and that is the daughter of John Salter Hunt. It seems very likely that it was she who was married to George WHITE, but to be sure it would be useful to get the marriage cert (or the PR entry if we can find out which parish!) I see Ann and her children were in Newbury workhouse in 1871; I don't know whether there are any records for that, which might help. Dorothy O -----Original Message----- From: Geoff Hunt <geoff.t.hunt@btinternet.com> To: eng-hampshire-kingsclere@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 18:27 Subject: [King] Ann Hunt BlankHi Everyone, A Happy New Year to you all. Looking at John's database I see he has two Ann HUNT's circa 1838. . Daughter of John Salter and Sarah BUTLER 2. Daughter of Joseph and Ann H I think there was a marriage between Ann HUNT and George WHITE in Kingsclere D 4th. Qtr. 1856. This family is living at Fishpond Cottages, Kingsclere in 1861:- eorge WHITE age 26 nn 23 aniel 4 ary A 2 ucy 4 mths Given the names of the children- Daniel and Lucy who could have been named fter Ann's brother Daniel and his wife Lucy North there is a good chance hat Ann is the daughter of John and Sarah. Does SKS have access to PR's to check the marriage with possible witnesses r christenings with godparents which would help to add another twig to the ree. Thanks for all of you help, Geoff -------------------------------------- >From Kingsclere. ALL surnames in CAPITAL letter please. Christian name Lawrence urname LAWRENCE. -------------------------------------- f you get unsubscribed and did not ask to be unsubscribed, please email ng-hampshire-kingsclere-admin@rootsweb.com -------------------------------------- ake sure your Anti Virus Protection is updated and do a weekly backup of your iles. ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HAMPSHIRE-KINGSCLERE-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

BlankHi Everyone, A Happy New Year to you all. Looking at John's database I see he has two Ann HUNT's circa 1838. 1. Daughter of John Salter and Sarah BUTLER 2. Daughter of Joseph and Ann H I think there was a marriage between Ann HUNT and George WHITE in Kingsclere RD 4th. Qtr. 1856. This family is living at Fishpond Cottages, Kingsclere in 1861:- George WHITE age 26 Ann 23 Daniel 4 Mary A 2 Lucy 4 mths Given the names of the children- Daniel and Lucy who could have been named after Ann's brother Daniel and his wife Lucy North there is a good chance that Ann is the daughter of John and Sarah. Does SKS have access to PR's to check the marriage with possible witnesses or christenings with godparents which would help to add another twig to the tree. Thanks for all of you help, Geoff

Thanks Mike I haven't really looked into the MILLS / MILES / MYHILL family very far. I have been concentrating on my One Name Study of BREADMORE where I have found 88 ways of interpreting the name so fully understand the problem some of whom have various spellings on the same page of a register! Many thanks for your thoughts - perhaps one day I will get round to pursuing this side of my husband's family. In the meantime any sighting of any of the family will be useful... Margaret In article <357644.8563.qm@web86706.mail.ird.yahoo.com>, MICHAEL BAYLISS <mabayliss@btinternet.com> writes >Hello Margaret. >  >It should also be noted that, in additon to MILLS/ MILLES, some MILES family >lines at Kingsclere can appear as MYHILL, sometimes spelled MIALL/ MYALL.  There >are numerous instances of this seeming surname change occuring in respect of the >same person in different records. I know cases of MILES relatives living next >door to each other, each with a different version of their surname, and one >family where succesive baptisms seem to have alternated between the two. The >descendants of at least one MILES branch (the one that moved to Overton) seem to >have adopted MYHILL as the definitive spelling. >  >In researching earlier periods, is always worth noting, as Terry  Pratchett >onece remarked, that "spelling is optional".  Very often heads of families were >barely literate anyway, and the spelling in a written record may well depend on >what the parish priest/ registrar/ census enumerator thought he heard at the >time! >  >Regards, Mike > >--- On Mon, 11/1/10, Barbara Mallyon <BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk> wrote: > >The surname of MILLS, I think the vicar got confused between the >family names of MILES and MILLS, if you have not already done so it >may be worth looking under both names. >The Hampshire Record Office have a book of early Kingsclere Baptisms >that have been transcribed, the MILLS and MILES families were in >Kingsclere in the 1600s, if we were able to go back further in >history, we would probably find that MILLS and MILES were the same >family, worth a thought. >--------------------------------------- >>From Kingsclere. ALL surnames in CAPITAL letter please. Christian name Lawrence >surname LAWRENCE. >--------------------------------------- >If you get unsubscribed and did not ask to be unsubscribed, please email eng- >hampshire-kingsclere-admin@rootsweb.com >--------------------------------------- >Make sure your Anti Virus Protection is updated and do a weekly backup of your >files. > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HAMPSHIRE-KINGSCLERE- >request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the >subject and the body of the message -- Margaret Young margaret@breadmore.org Breadmore One-Name Study (GOONS 2503) http://www.breadmore.org/

Hello Margaret.   It should also be noted that, in additon to MILLS/ MILLES, some MILES family lines at Kingsclere can appear as MYHILL, sometimes spelled MIALL/ MYALL.  There are numerous instances of this seeming surname change occuring in respect of the same person in different records. I know cases of MILES relatives living next door to each other, each with a different version of their surname, and one family where succesive baptisms seem to have alternated between the two. The descendants of at least one MILES branch (the one that moved to Overton) seem to have adopted MYHILL as the definitive spelling.   In researching earlier periods, is always worth noting, as Terry  Pratchett onece remarked, that "spelling is optional".  Very often heads of families were barely literate anyway, and the spelling in a written record may well depend on what the parish priest/ registrar/ census enumerator thought he heard at the time!   Regards, Mike --- On Mon, 11/1/10, Barbara Mallyon <BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk> wrote: The surname of MILLS, I think the vicar got confused between the family names of MILES and MILLS, if you have not already done so it may be worth looking under both names. The Hampshire Record Office have a book of early Kingsclere Baptisms that have been transcribed, the MILLS and MILES families were in Kingsclere in the 1600s, if we were able to go back further in history, we would probably find that MILLS and MILES were the same family, worth a thought.