I think you will find the web site is http://users.ox.ac.uk/~peter/workhouse/index.html Sue Matthews Abingdon, Oxon wiblin@one-name.org -----Original Message----- From: Peter Goff [mailto:peter.goff@btinternet.com] Sent: 26 February 2002 18:07 To: ENG-HAMPSHIRE-KINGSCLERE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Kingsclere Workhouse A web site that gives a lot of infomation about Kingsclere Workhouse with a map of its situation in the village, together with other workhouse throughout UK www.users.ox.ac.uk/~peter/workhouse/index.htm The workhouse was closed in late 1950's and the site is a cleared site, which is at present still unused. A photo is in Kingsclere Woodlands book ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

A web site that gives a lot of infomation about Kingsclere Workhouse with a map of its situation in the village, together with other workhouse throughout UK www.users.ox.ac.uk/~peter/workhouse/index.htm The workhouse was closed in late 1950's and the site is a cleared site, which is at present still unused. A photo is in Kingsclere Woodlands book

Hi Everyone, I have just received a copy of a death certificate for William MOORE who died on the 19th of April 1885 at the Workhouse, Kingsclere aged 78 years from Chronic Bronchitis which he had suffored from for four years. His death certificate states that he formerly lived at Ashford Hill. The informant on the certificate was Henry Cox (Master) Workhouse, Kingsclere. What I would like to know is are there any records available for the Workhouse, where would I find them and what sort of information would I be likely to find on them. Also, as I have never had anything to do with Workhouses before would someone mind explaining briefly how or why someone was put in one, would it have been due to illness and the unability to be able to work or support himself. Kind Regards, Margaret, N.S.W., Australia.

In message <000a01c1be75$d493ed80$90ad16ca@default>, Paul & Margaret Moon <4moons@hwy.com.au> writes >Hi Everyone, > >What I would like to know is are there any records available for the >Workhouse, where would I find them and what sort of information would I be >likely to find on them. Margaret - there is an excellent resource at http://www.workhouses.org.uk/ look under "workhouses in England", Kingsclere is described there, though apparently the buildings have been demolished now. Next time I'm in Newbury Library, I'll have a look to see if there is a photo or drawing in the local collection there. Do you have any pictures of Kingsclere? I could take some for you if you like - let me know by private email. The above website is terrifically interesting for everyone, though. For more details, I would imagine that the County records office in Winchester would be the place to look http://www.hants.gov.uk/record-office/index.html Hope this helps Roz in Highclere. -- Roz Cawley - roz@autumncottage.co.uk http://www.autumncottage.co.uk

Hello Paul and Margaret, I have found this information on another rootsweb mailing list, it will give you an idea of what went on in the Workhouse :- These were the 'Discipline' and 'Rules' of the Workhouse: Discipline "All the paupers in the workhouse, except the sick, the aged and infirm and young children, shall rise, be set to work, leave off work, go to bed at the times mentioned in the accompanying table and shall be allowed such intervals for their meals as stated; these times to be notified by ringing a bell and during the time of meals, silence, order and decorum shall be maintained." RULES to admit paupers and cause them to be examined by the medical officer and to cleanse, clothe and place them in proper wards. to enforce industry, order, punctuality and cleanliness and the observance of rules. to read prayers to the paupers before breakfast and after supper. to inspect and call over the names of paupers after morning prayer and to see each is clean and in a proper state. to provide and enforce employment of able-bodied. to visit sleeping wards at 11 a.m. and see that they have been cleaned. to see that meals are properly served and superintend distribution. to say grace. to see the dining-halls are cleaned after meals. to see that male paupers are in bed at 9 p.m. and fires and lights extinguished. to receive from gate-keeper keys at 9 p.m. and deliver them to him at 6 a.m. to send for medical officer in illness and see sick and lunatic paupers cared for. Burial and informing friends. Provide inventory of deceased. to keep admission and discharge book, provisions expenditure, clothing expenditure, indoor labour, register of births and deaths. to submit estimates to Guardians. to receive all provisions, check bills and submit to Board. to take charge of all stores. all to be entered in Order Book. all offices of the workhouse and utensils, kitchen and wards, etc., to be kept clean and all rooms to be lime-washed twice a year. to read rules to the paupers. to report names of children put out to service or apprenticed. to inform on state of workhouse. Regards Barbara Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants, UK BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul & Margaret Moon" <4moons@hwy.com.au> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-KINGSCLERE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 3:29 AM Subject: Records for Kingsclere Workhouse. > Hi Everyone, > > I have just received a copy of a death certificate for William MOORE who > died on the 19th of April 1885 at the Workhouse, Kingsclere aged 78 years > from Chronic Bronchitis which he had suffored from for four years. His death > certificate states that he formerly lived at Ashford Hill. The informant on > the certificate was Henry Cox (Master) Workhouse, Kingsclere. > > What I would like to know is are there any records available for the > Workhouse, where would I find them and what sort of information would I be > likely to find on them. Also, as I have never had anything to do with > Workhouses before would someone mind explaining briefly how or why someone > was put in one, would it have been due to illness and the unability to be > able to work or support himself. > > Kind Regards, > Margaret, N.S.W., Australia. > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > >

Hello All, I have had several Virus attachments (You are fat). To all new subscribers:- Please DO NOT OPEN ATTACHMENTS unless you have been asked first, even if they are from someone you know, they may be passing on the Virus without even knowing that they have it. Email the person who sent the attachment and ask if they did send the attachment and what does it contain. Check that your AntiVirus Protection is up todate, check this every week and do a computer Backup of all of your files every week, make it a habit on a certain day of the week. If you need any advice about Virus Protection please email me. Regards Barbara Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants, UK BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk Listowner

Baptisms as taken from the Parish Registers on microfiche. The Chapelry Woodlands SMITH Stephen son of William and Sylva Occupation Labourer abode Woodlands 18 January 1849 MILES Catherine daughet of James and Ann Occupation Sawyer abode Woodlands 16 January 1849 GREEN Harry Bond son of Antony and Rebecca Occupation Grocer abode Woodlands 11 March 1849 SEWARD Harriet daughter of Samuel and Ellen Occupation Labourer abode Woodlands 22 December 1850 MILES Walter John son of James and Ann Occupation Sawyer abode Woodlands 5 January 1851 HAWKINS William son of David and Olive Occupation Labourer abode Woodlands 8 January 1851 GURDLER Eliza daughter of William and Hannah Occupation Labourer abode Woodlands 9 March 1851 JEFFERY Mary daughet of David and Harriet Occupation Labourer abode Woodlands 26 March 1851 SEWARD Teresa daughter of Richard and Eliza Occupation Blacksmith abode Woodlands 2 April 1851 LAWRENCE Alice Louisa (base born) daughter of Sophia, no Occupation abode Kingsclere 6 April 1851 BRADLEY Mary Annie daughter of John and Elizabeth Occupation Blacksmith abode Woodlands 20 April 1851 GURDLER Elizabeth (base born) daughter of Rebecca, no Occupation abode Woodlands 20 April 1851 BLUNDEN James son of Alfred and Mary Ann Occupation Labourer abode Woodlands 6 April 1851 NEVILLE David son of David and Jane Occupation Labourer abode Woodlands 25 April 1851 Regards Barbara Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants, UK BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk

On Fri, 22 Feb 2002 17:49:15 -0000 "TimBrown" <tim@brownt22.fsnet.co.uk> wrote: > I am spending a week in Hampshire looking at family connections etc. > from the 4th May. I want to have a look at the Churches, and if > possible see some graves for Kingsmills. Can you give me any > suggestions. What would the burial site have been for Sydmonton? Kingsclere, Ecchinswell and probably Sidmonton have Kingsmill burials. Old Burghclere had one listed in the MIs but the churchyard has beeen cleared and access is via a private drive. The Ascension, Burghclere has none. The church at Sidmonton was closed some years ago and is now inaccessible to the general public (thanks to Andrew Lloyd Webber). There are a number of graves in St. Lawrence, Ecchinswell new churchyard (the MIs fiche lists eleven in all), most close to the porch so easy to find. You would need to make arrangments to see the interior during weekdays as it is no longer open except for services (thanks to vandals) If you do visit St Lawrence say hello to my Cooper rellies (most of whom worked for the Kingsmill family) who are buried in the next row. There are two tablets inside St. Mary, Kingsclere. None recorded for the churchyard and in any case nearly all have been removed to line the edge of the path (still more vandals at work) -- John Lewis <jayell@ntlworld.com> from Bournemouth, Dorset, UK using Mandrake GNU/Linux 8.0 and Geneweb genealogy software Main Family Names in HAM are: Kingsclere area: BUTLER, COOPER, FISHER, FOSTER, GIRDLER, HAWKINS Hazeley Heath: BARKER, CHANDLER, LEWINGTON, NEVILL(E) Main Family Names in GLA are: Vale of Glamorgan: GRIFFITH Rumney: LEWIS Aberdare: HOPKINS & JENKINS and CMN: HOPKINS & DAVIES

Hello All I have received an enquiry from Robert Probert regarding his ancestors. I have pointed him in the direction of the list but maybe someone can help him out in the meantime. HE SENT:- hi peter, i am searching for ancestors charlotte gibson and daniel tidbury about 1750-1850. charlotte died in kingsclere, 1844. thanks robert probert wyckoff, n.j. usa His email is r.probert@worldnet.att.net Peter Goff Kingsclere, Hampshire www.kingsclere.org.uk All outgoing e-mails are scanned for viruses before despatch.

Hello All, This is a message that I received from Hugh Willis, I thought that you would all like to see it Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 5:02 PM Subject: RE: Latest in Batch numbers Thanks for your e-mail. I'm so glad you found the site useful - it was just something that I needed to do for my own research so I figured I would share it around. I have been overwhelmed by the response with over 52,000 hits in the first 6 days of operation!! I have just updated the site with new information including a frequently asked questions page - if you have any comments on the new format/features etc. I would be delighted to hear from you. With many thanks once again Hugh Wallis Ontario, Canada Formerly of Surrey, UK IGI Batch numbers - > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers.htm > Barbara Mallyon > Basingstoke, Hants, UK > BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk > Listowner Kingsclere >

I am spending a week in Hampshire looking at family connections etc. from the 4th May. I want to have a look at the Churches, and if possible see some graves for Kingsmills. Can you give me any suggestions. What would the burial site have been for Sydmonton? Sheila

just for a little while

Hello All, John HOLLY born 1826 married Rosa Ann BRIDGMAN 14 October 1845 Kingsclere. Rose/a had a sister Leah baptised 5 February 1837. Also a sister Caroline born 2 January 1831 who married Charles PROUT b 1831 on 18 October 1849 Kingsclere. I would be interested to hear from the PROUT researchers, as to whom Charles parents were. Another piece of puzzle for my family tree put together. Regards Barbara Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants, UK BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk

The SMITH families are one of the stinker puzzles I referred to in my reply to Barbara. I have just decided that my Gt-Aunt Alice Cooper was Alice Elizabeth Smith, b. 1877 at Sandford Farm, Kingsclere to Joseph and Merab (Mirab in 1881 census). The name Merab re-appears with a grandchild of Alice being called Gertrude Dianne Merab (Cooper) and it is this that makes me fairly certain I have the right Alice Elizabeth as Merab is fairly uncommon. I cannot find Alice's marriage to Seth Cooper in the parish registers so it may have been a civil marriage. Their first child was baptised in St. Mary, Kingsclere in 1895 and they are recorded as living Holdup Hill (where Seth and his parents were recorded in the 1891 census) so I would have expected a baptism at St Peter, Headley or St. Paul, Woodlands. If Alice was born same year as her baptism (and this isn't certain as her parents seem to have baptised later children in batches) she would have been only 18 when child born. I have tried tracing Joseph Smith and Merab ?, both are said to be born in Kingsclere in 1881 census. Joseph is, I think, the son of Joseph and Maria Smith and bapt. at St. Paul, Woodlands in Nov. 1848. I can find only one other child of Joseph and Maria and that is Rachell bapt Jul 1846 also at St. Paul, but the 1851 census index suggests there could be other children and it really needs me to look at the 'as enumerated' to sort the 1851 Smiths into family groups. Joseph may be the one born about 1811 to James and Sarah ? but there the fun begins, who are James parents? He could be James ca 1758 son of Richard and Mary (Gammon), James ca 1761 son of William and Elizabeth (Mercer), James ca 1779 son of Joseph and Mary (?), James ca 1783 son of John and Mary Brown, James ca 1787 son of Thomas and Sarah (Rolfe) or James ca 1794 son of Thomas and Letitia Jemima (?) There are several other James in the right time frame who are married but who could have been a widowed and remarried. And that is only one forename, as you can see there are also John, William, Joseph and Thomas all married to Mary or Sarah or Elizabeth, I have 82 Smith 'branches' to try to sort into a coherent family. So two questions! Firstly, does anyone else have Smiths in their tree and can let me have a copy to compare with my efforts at sorting them out. Secondly, does any one claim Merab ? as an ancestor -- John Lewis <jayell@ntlworld.com> from Bournemouth, Dorset, UK using Mandrake GNU/Linux 8.0 and Geneweb genealogy software Main Family Names in HAM are: Kingsclere area: BUTLER, COOPER, FISHER, FOSTER, GIRDLER, HAWKINS Hazeley Heath: BARKER, CHANDLER, LEWINGTON, NEVILL(E) Main Family Names in GLA are: Vale of Glamorgan: GRIFFITH Rumney: LEWIS Aberdare: HOPKINS & JENKINS and CMN: HOPKINS & DAVIES

On Sun, 17 Feb 2002 09:52:20 -0000 "Barbara Mallyon" <BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk> wrote: > I would like to know the surname of Martha married to George HOLLY if > anyone can help please. Do these names tie in with anyone, I would be > pleased to hear from you. I cannot see his marriage in the fiche I have so can't help I'm afraid. It is really inconsiderate of our ancestors to go and marry outside their own parish. > John please note the additions to my family tree for your Kingsclere > puzzle. Thanks Barbara, they have been added to the holly tree. I have some real stinker puzzles to sort out so any help is welcome. -- John Lewis <jayell@ntlworld.com> from Bournemouth, Dorset, UK using Mandrake GNU/Linux 8.0 and Geneweb genealogy software Main Family Names in HAM are: Kingsclere area: BUTLER, COOPER, FISHER, FOSTER, GIRDLER, HAWKINS Hazeley Heath: BARKER, CHANDLER, LEWINGTON, NEVILL(E) Main Family Names in GLA are: Vale of Glamorgan: GRIFFITH Rumney: LEWIS Aberdare: HOPKINS & JENKINS and CMN: HOPKINS & DAVIES

Hello Peter and All, I am glad you got through to Batch Numbers OK. I read a message on another rootsweb mailing list, to say that this website has been advertised all over America. This morning I had a message from a lady who lives near Salt Lake City, she worked for 5 years on the 1881 Census, she said about the 1901 Census and quote :- .in fact I have been told that the PRO has called in the LDS Church to sort out the 1901 census mess!!!! If that is true, you heard about that for the first time here on Kingsclere. Regards Barbara Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants, UK BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Goff" <peter.goff@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-KINGSCLERE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 5:14 AM Subject: re:latest in batch numbers > Hi All: I have tried this site again and it worked perfectly. I think it was over use that caused the problems as Barbara suggested. > Peter Goff > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hi All: I have tried this site again and it worked perfectly. I think it was over use that caused the problems as Barbara suggested. Peter Goff

Hot off the Press just for you. Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 2:30 PM Subject: PRO update From the PRO: Update: 18/02/02, 12:30 GMT The testing of the technical enhancements is taking longer than anticipated so the 1901 online service will not be available at designated service centres for a few more weeks. We apologise for the further delays and thank you for your continued patience. Further information http://www.pro.gov.uk/about/access/statement.htm is available. I've also been informed that, since Friday's message about voucher returns, there have been a couple of changes/additions to the wording at http://www.pro.gov.uk/census/vouchers.htm , told to me thus: 1. we have added that postage will be refunded by the PRO 2. we are advising users to check with their point of purchase about refund arrangements Regards Barbara Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants, UK BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk

Hello All, I think the problem is that this website has gone world wide. due to being helpful to researchers. The website has been listed on most, if not all rootsweb mailing lists, also to friends that are not subscribed to any rootsweb mailing lists. It is like another 1901 Census, "over used". Keep trying you will get through, I got through twice yesterday and so did Roger my spouse, he passed the website details on to me. As I said other rootswebs are raving about the website. Regards Barbara Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants, UK BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk

Hi All: I have emailed the webmaster to tell him of this problemPeter Goff Kingsclere, Hampshire www.kingsclere.org.uk All outgoing e-mails are scanned for viruses before despatch.