The article I promised about Park House and John Porter is now on the Kingsclere web site Coming next - The School Peter Goff Kingsclere, Hampshire www.kingsclere.org.uk All outgoing e-mails are scanned for viruses before despatch.

Hi All The "Whats New" page now points to the correct Workhouse page. I was in too much of a rush!! Sorry Peter Goff Kingsclere, Hampshire www.kingsclere.org.uk All outgoing e-mails are scanned for viruses before despatch.

Hi Alan, Many thanks, Had no trouble finding the site. Kindest Regards Steve Prout Researching PROUT/PROUTE/SPROUT

There is an error in the link on the "What's New" page. Go to the Contents page and use the Workhouse link at the bottom of the page. Alan McGowan ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Prout <steven.prout@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-KINGSCLERE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2002 7:27 PM Subject: Kingsclere Workhouse page on site > Hi Peter, > I have just visited the Kingsclere site to view the new pages > on Kingsclere Workhouse and Union, > I am having trouble getting this page to open, it seems to > open the same page as the "Essays on the early history of > Kingsclere, Or am I going round the bend so to speak. > > Keep up the great site, > > Kindest Regards

Hi Peter, I have just visited the Kingsclere site to view the new pages on Kingsclere Workhouse and Union, I am having trouble getting this page to open, it seems to open the same page as the "Essays on the early history of Kingsclere, Or am I going round the bend so to speak. Keep up the great site, Kindest Regards Steve Prout Researching: PROUT/PROUTE/SPROUT in Kingsclere and villages. PS> Come on everyone, Who is going to be the 1000th visitor.

Hello All There is now a page about the Kingsclere Workhouse on the web site. It contains an article by Frances Sabine, an extract from Margaret Ingrams book and a page from Peter Higginbothams web site. Pronunciation - it is called KingsCLEAR. Regards Peter Goff Kingsclere, Hampshire www.kingsclere.org.uk All outgoing e-mails are scanned for viruses before despatch.

John, According to my notes, two separate marriage registers were started in the 1840s/1850s: Ecchinswell from 1844. Register still held in the parish. Sydmonton from 1854. Register held at Hampshire Record Office. The information abouth the Ecchinswell register came from the PRRM Inspection File. This file lists documents held in each parish, as noted in the periodic inspections conducted under the Parochial Registers and Records Measure. I will re-check the file to confirm that the two registers exist, and to see if the 1844 register has been deposited Alan McGowan ----- Original Message ----- From: John Lewis <jayell@ntlworld.com> > I do note place of residence in my records but will now have to change > the place of marriage. After Ecchinswell became a parish in its own > right the problem goes away tho' even then I'm not sure if marriages > were performed at Sidmonton.

On Fri, 12 Apr 2002 21:54:56 +0100 "Maureen Grigg" <m.grigg@icscotland.net> wrote: > I think that Ann Grigg is one of my Griggs. > Thank you so much for bringing the discrepancy in the register to > everyone's notice. The witnesses would be Ann's brother and possibly > sister in law. I would be interested to know if anyone else answers > your e.mail ,as to date I only know of one other person researching > the Grigg family of Kingsclere . Regards Hi Maureen, glad to be of help. I don't have much on the Grigg family to date. In addition to Ann I have found: Elizabeth married 28 Nov 1791 to Jeoffrey Webb (he signed Jefferey), witness G****** T*** & Mary Grigg John a witness at Mary's wedding Mary married 16 May 1793 to John Blackman, witnesses John Grigg & Elizabeth Webb Stephen (of Wolverton, Hants) married 9 Sep 1793 to Hannah White, witnesses (M)ary Walker & Enos Jacob All at St. Mary, Kingsclere and 'of this parish' unless otherwise stated. So it looks as tho' one Mary at least is a sister. I have got to a marriage for John yet. I had been entering events piecemeal as needed but realised I'd got to the point where I'd do better starting at the beginning and entering everything, as I was going through the fiche time and time again looking for individuals. The 'beginning' in this case being the Kingsclere St. Mary marriage register which commenced on 27th May 1777, I do have the earlier ones from 1682 but they are even harder to read and will keep them for later (much much later at my rate of typing) Once I have a good batch of marriages entered I'll start on baptisms for the same period so gradually build up the overall picture of 'Kingsclere Families' Then hopefully I'll be able to add to my website and have fewer errors. I have yet to find a way of ensuring the right Elizabeth, Mary or Sarah etc. in a family (like the Smiths or Sewards or Rabbits) where there are several possible candidates for any given marriage gets matched to the right husband!! -- John Lewis <jayell@ntlworld.com> from Bournemouth, Dorset, UK using Mandrake GNU/Linux 8.0 and Geneweb genealogy software Main Family Names in HAM are: Kingsclere area: BUTLER, COOPER, FISHER, FOSTER, GIRDLER, HAWKINS Hazeley Heath: BARKER, CHANDLER, LEWINGTON, NEVILL(E) Main Family Names in GLA are: Vale of Glamorgan: GRIFFITH Rumney: LEWIS Aberdare: HOPKINS & JENKINS and CMN: HOPKINS & DAVIES

On Fri, 12 Apr 2002 21:52:46 +0100 "Barbara Mallyon" <barbaramallyon@clara.co.uk> wrote: > I have heard Kingsclere pronounced both ways, how do the locals > pronounce Kingsclere, Peter being a local, can you please give us all > the correct pronunciation of Kingsclere. Clear or Claire. My Mum lived part of her life in Burgh*****, worked in Kings***** and I still have rellies in High*****. I spent quite a bit of my childhood in Ecchinswell and walked many times to all three 'cleres so though I cannot claim to be truly local, I can't say I have _ever_ heard 'clere pronunced as clair. -- John Lewis <jayell@ntlworld.com> from Bournemouth, Dorset, UK using Mandrake GNU/Linux 8.0 and Geneweb genealogy software Main Family Names in HAM are: Kingsclere area: BUTLER, COOPER, FISHER, FOSTER, GIRDLER, HAWKINS Hazeley Heath: BARKER, CHANDLER, LEWINGTON, NEVILL(E) Main Family Names in GLA are: Vale of Glamorgan: GRIFFITH Rumney: LEWIS Aberdare: HOPKINS & JENKINS and CMN: HOPKINS & DAVIES

Hi Would just like to know how to pronounce Kingclere ? is it as in Clear or Claire at the end Thanks Claire Hilton WOODHOUSE PAINTER & PAICE

On Fri, 12 Apr 2002 19:31:37 +0100 "Alan McGowan" <mcgoa@lineone.net> wrote: > In my opinion, you should enter the place of marriage as St Mary > Kingsclere in all cases. This directs the researcher to the correct > register, and it is likely that the marriage did take place there. > Any information about place of residence (e.g. "of Ecchinswell") is > presumably included in your transcript of the entry. Thanks for your informative reply. I was not aware that Greywell was unlicensed for example. It may explain why I've not be able to trace some of my Barker ancestors. I do note place of residence in my records but will now have to change the place of marriage. After Ecchinswell became a parish in its own right the problem goes away tho' even then I'm not sure if marriages were performed at Sidmonton. Would baptisms have been done in the Chapelries or did people still have to travel to 'clere? -- John Lewis <jayell@ntlworld.com> from Bournemouth, Dorset, UK using Mandrake GNU/Linux 8.0 and Geneweb genealogy software Main Family Names in HAM are: Kingsclere area: BUTLER, COOPER, FISHER, FOSTER, GIRDLER, HAWKINS Hazeley Heath: BARKER, CHANDLER, LEWINGTON, NEVILL(E) Main Family Names in GLA are: Vale of Glamorgan: GRIFFITH Rumney: LEWIS Aberdare: HOPKINS & JENKINS and CMN: HOPKINS & DAVIES

Hello Claire, I have heard Kingsclere pronounced both ways, how do the locals pronounce Kingsclere, Peter being a local, can you please give us all the correct pronunciation of Kingsclere. Clear or Claire. Regards Barbara Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants, UK BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Claire" <rams2@eisa.net.au> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-KINGSCLERE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 3:36 PM Subject: pronunciation > Hi > Would just like to know how to pronounce Kingclere ? is it as in Clear or Claire at the end > Thanks Claire Hilton > WOODHOUSE PAINTER & PAICE > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > >

John, I think it likely that the marriages took place at the parish church, St Mary Kingsclere. This would almost certainly have been the case for any marriages after 1753. When Lord Hardwicke's Marriage Act came into effect in 1754, marriages at several Hampshire churches ceased, because those churches were not licensed for marriage. This happened at Southampton St Mary Extra, Greywell, Woodcott, Ryde (Isle of Wight), and Winchester Cathedral. Marriages at Winchester Cathedral did not re-start until 1869. Greywell couples travelled to Odiham to marry. St Mary Extra couples travelled to Southampton St Mary to marry. Marriages at Holybourne ceased earlier. From 1743 to 1823, Holybourne couples married at Alton. In my opinion, you should enter the place of marriage as St Mary Kingsclere in all cases. This directs the researcher to the correct register, and it is likely that the marriage did take place there. Any information about place of residence (e.g. "of Ecchinswell") is presumably included in your transcript of the entry. Alan McGowan ----- Original Message ----- From: John Lewis <jayell@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-KINGSCLERE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 9:45 AM Subject: Where did they marry? > Hi All > > I have been transcribing marriages from the Kingsclere fiche into my > database and and as you will know the Kingsclere St. Mary registers also > include the events for Ecchinswell (St. Lawrence) and Sidmonton (St. > Mary) for quite a long period. > > I have been entering place of marriage for people living in Ecchinswell > or Sidmonton as being either St. Lawrence, Ecchinswell or St. Mary, > Sidmonton but wonder what other people do. It makes sense that they > would get married in the local church rather than make the two mile trip > to Kingsclere but what did really happen. > > Do all you experts out there have any thoughts on this matter?

Hello List, I am new to the list and I am researching the surnames: Lawrence and Boshier. On the 1881 Hampshire census: Edward Lawrence was living in Mcheldever, Hampshire age 24. Wife-Rebecca Boshier Lawrence born Heckfield, Hampshire. son Cecil seven months. I know they had another son Eric Lawrence born later. I would like to hear from anyone researching the surnames Lawrence or Boshier. Thank you, Patricia (Pat)

Hi All I have been transcribing marriages from the Kingsclere fiche into my database and and as you will know the Kingsclere St. Mary registers also include the events for Ecchinswell (St. Lawrence) and Sidmonton (St. Mary) for quite a long period. I have been entering place of marriage for people living in Ecchinswell or Sidmonton as being either St. Lawrence, Ecchinswell or St. Mary, Sidmonton but wonder what other people do. It makes sense that they would get married in the local church rather than make the two mile trip to Kingsclere but what did really happen. Do all you experts out there have any thoughts on this matter? ************************************************************** Incidentally came across a 'funny' entry which could perhaps solve someone's 'missing person' problem. The register entry (#171) dated 26 Dec 1789 has Robert StEVENS of the parish of Itchinswell, bachelor & Ann GREEN of the same, spinster married in this church by banns. Robert makes his mark but Ann signs 'Ann Girgg', both witnesses are clearly GRIGG (Stephen and Mary). The Banns entry (#145) also has Ann GREEN and this seems to be written by a different person than whoever wrote the rest of the entry. For now at least I am going to call her Ann Grigg. -- John Lewis <jayell@ntlworld.com> from Bournemouth, Dorset, UK using Mandrake GNU/Linux 8.0 and Geneweb genealogy software Main Family Names in HAM are: Kingsclere area: BUTLER, COOPER, FISHER, FOSTER, GIRDLER, HAWKINS Hazeley Heath: BARKER, CHANDLER, LEWINGTON, NEVILL(E) Main Family Names in GLA are: Vale of Glamorgan: GRIFFITH Rumney: LEWIS Aberdare: HOPKINS & JENKINS and CMN: HOPKINS & DAVIES

Porter John M 43 M Rugely, Staffordshire Head Trainer of Race Horses Porter Emily Jane M 44 F Sussex Wife Porter Ellen U 11 F Kingsclere, Hampshire Daughter Scholar Porter Mildred U 10 F Kingsclere, Hampshire Daughter Scholar Porter Charles Frederick U 4 M Kingsclere, Hampshire Son Porter Thomas Barren U 3 M Kingsclere, Hampshire Son Milsom Clara W 42 F Newbury, Berkshire Friend Governess - Private Talmage Mary Ann U 26 F Vernham Deane, Berkshire Servant Nurse - Domestic Howes Harriet Jane U 19 F Newbury, Berkshire Servant Housemaid Gresham James U 26 M Newcastle-upon-Tyne, Northumberland Servant Head Groom - Stud Appleby Robert U 19 M Chelsea, Middlesex Servant Groom - Stud Millard James U 17 M Hanbury, Gloucestershire Servant Groom - Stud Moor William U 20 M Sandbach, Cheshire Servant Groom - Stud Ambrose Charles U 17 M Camberwell, Middlesex Servant Groom - Stud Taylor Hiram Wenger U 18 M Nottingham, Nottinghamshire Servant Groom - Stud Pound Alfred U 13 M Plymouth, Devon Servant Groom - Stud Jones Edward U 17 M Halewood, Lancashire Servant Groom - Stud Machin John U 13 M Rufford, Nottingham Servant Groom - Stud Fowler John U 15 M Aylesbeare, Devonshire Servant Groom - Stud Cawlishaw Joseph U 16 M Rugely, Staffordshire Servant Groom - Stud Warner Harry U 14 M Burton-upon-Trent, Staffordshire Servant Groom - Stud Owen William U 16 M Anglesey, Wales Servant Groom - Stud Bripley William U 18 M Manchester, Lancashire Servant Groom - Stud Rose George U 16 M Lichfield, Staffordshire Servant Groom - Stud Henwood Thomas U 16 M Chippenham, Gloucestershire Servant Groom - Stud Bailey Henry U 15 M Bristol, Gloucestershire Servant Groom - Stud Key Charles U 13 M Gainsborough, Lincolnshire Servant Groom - Stud Williams William U 13 M Liverpool, Lancashire Servant Groom - Stud Walter Arthur U 17 M Birmingham, Warwickshire Servant Groom - Stud Phelps George U 12 M Edington, Worcestershire Servant Groom - Stud Peter Goff Kingsclere, Hampshire www.kingsclere.org.uk All outgoing e-mails are scanned for viruses before despatch.

Hi Barbara The stables are Park House, still there today. Seven Derby winners - Blue Gown 1868, St Blaise 1883, Ormonde 1886, Sainfoin 1890, Common 1891 and Flying Fox 1899. The most famous horse was Mill Reef which really put Kingsclere on the map. There is a statue of him at Park House. The Queen has had horses trained at Park House including Mill Reef's colt Landmark. I will put more about Park House on the Kingsclere site after I have finished the page being prepared now about the Workhouse. Peter Goff Kingsclere, Hampshire www.kingsclere.org.uk All outgoing e-mails are scanned for viruses before despatch.

Hello All, Sorry this is another Virus Warning, there are various Virus doing the rounds I received this Virus yesterday from a Surrey Lister :- README.MP3.zlp 29.0KB ATT00010 TXT (0bytes) DO NOT OPEN THIS ATTACHMENT. Listed below is another type of Virus Attachment that I have also received.. a) DO NOT OPEN ATTACHMENTS unless you have verified with the sender that you were intended to receive them. b)Keep your antivirus software up to date, also do a weekly back up of all your files. W32.Gibe@mm is a worm that uses Microsoft Outlook and its own SMTP engine to spread. This worm arrives in an email message--which is disguised as a Microsoft Internet Security Update--as the attachment Q216309.exe. The worm also attempts to copy itself to all locally mapped remote drives. Payload: Large scale e-mailing: Sends to addresses found in Microsoft Outlook Address book and by searching of .htm, .html, .asp, and .php files. Compromises security settings: Installs a Backdoor Trojan which allows remote access to the infected system Subject of email: Internet Security Update Name of attachment: Q216309.exe Size of attachment: 122,880 bytes Ports: 12378 Shared drives: It attempts to locate the Startup folder on all mapped network drives based on the OS of the infected system The fake message, which is not from Microsoft, has the following characteristics: From: Microsoft Corporation Security Center Subject: Internet Security Update Message: Microsoft Customer, this is the latest version of security update, the update which eliminates all known security vulnerabilities affecting Internet Explorer and MS Outlook/Express as well as six new vulnerabilities How to install Run attached file q216309.exe How to use You don't need to do anything after installing this item. To delete a Virus Attachment press the CAPS LOCK key and the DELETE KEY at the same time, then delete the Virus Attachment from you computer system. Regards Barbara Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants, UK BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk Listowner

Hello All, Do you know that Kingsclere in the Parish of St. Mary's, Overton Road, there as was a Racing Stable, this has been shown on the 1901 Census, there are Stable Boys born in different towns, Licensed Jockeys, Apprentices, Grooms. The Race Horse Trainer was John Porter he lived at the Stables with his wife and children, there are general Servants. Can anyone tell us did the Stables ever win any big races ? Regards Barbara Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants, UK BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk

Hello All The following is from the TOWER, our village magazine. "KINGSCLERE HERITAGE ASSOCIATION presents BEDBUG to BYTES 2 at the Village Club, George Street on Saturday 11th May and Sunday 12th May 2002 - 12 noon until 6 p.m. We are pleased to anounce a second exhibition of our historical research to be opened by Cllr Mrs Rose Wellman. Do come along and enjoy a fascinating look into the Village and it's people in days long gone. This is our contribution to the Village for the Queen's Jubilee and is an event within Local History Week organised nationally by the Historical Association." In the meantime I am still working on fresh pages for the Kingsclere site and have had permission from the author to reproduce her book "Kingsclere, Place and its People" on the web site. Regards Peter Goff Kingsclere, Hampshire www.kingsclere.org.uk All outgoing e-mails are scanned for viruses before despatch.