Hello All There are some new pages added to the www.kingsclere.org.uk site. They are: An article about the various buildings in the Village An article about the Water Mills, Inns and the Old Brewery An article about the Public Services in Kingsclere Details of the other churches in Kingsclere Village. All the above pages are extracted from Margaret Ingram's book, bear in mind when reading them that they were written in 1987. I must thank her for allowing me to publish her work on the site. SURNAMES - I don't know how up to date this page is - if you are not on it please email me with just the Surname(s) you are researching and your email address. Now that the better??? weather is here I will try and get pictures of Kingsclere on the site together with a map. Are there any places or buildings that you would like included. I will try to access most places if I can, except the old Sydmonton Church which is on private land and access is denied. All for now Regards Peter Goff Kingsclere, Hampshire, UK www.kingsclere.org.uk All outgoing e-mails are scanned for viruses before despatch.

On Tue, 21 May 2002 16:00:53 +0100 "Barbara Mallyon" <BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk> wrote: > When William MILES Married Sarah LAWRENCE 13 April 1845 at Greenham > their witnesses were Thomas WAITE Martha LAWRENCE and Harriet FULK, > were they related to either family in any way?. Hi Barbara Can't help you with any of these. The Lawrences I have are from all over the place > When William MILES widow, married Elizabeth Smithers 11 October 1854 > in Guildford, Surrey. Witnesses were George LEGG and Mary LEGG, could > they be from Kingsclere. William was my 3 x great grandfather, he did > not know anyone in Guildford only his daughter Sarah Jane MILES > spinster who went to work there. An Elizabeth Legg married in 'clere in 1750, she could have had brothers and descendants still there in 1850s. Lots of the time tho' witnesses are un-related - often the parish clerk but could even be someone who happened to be passing by. > When George MILES married Elizabeth JEWEL married on the 15 December > 1849 the witnesses were George and Martha LONG who were they.? I have a George James Long married Maria Ann Peart on 26 Feb 1838 at St. Mary. Plus Elizabeth Long married William Miles in 1854 so chances are they are related by marriage. > When Thomas MILES married Eliza COLLINS 15 October 1853 Kingsclere, > one of the witnesses was Harriet MILES, there is not Harriet MILES in > my family, could it have been Harriet MILES daughter of William MILES > and Elizabeth WOODHOUSE, or have I got a Harriet MILES that I have > missed on my family tree? Harriet Ann Miles (possible parents Charles Miles & Emma Shearman, don't have her baptism to confirm) was a witness at marriage of John Bates & Emily Miles -- John Lewis <jayell@ntlworld.com> from Bournemouth, Dorset, UK using Mandrake GNU/Linux 8.0 and Geneweb genealogy software Main Family Names in HAM are: Kingsclere area: BUTLER, COOPER, FISHER, FOSTER, GIRDLER, HAWKINS Hazeley Heath: BARKER, CHANDLER, LEWINGTON, NEVILL(E) Main Family Names in GLA are: Vale of Glamorgan: GRIFFITH Rumney: LEWIS Aberdare: HOPKINS & JENKINS and CMN: HOPKINS & DAVIES

Hello All, My spouse and I have just come from a weeks holiday and received an email dated 19 May from Karen HILL, Listowner of Kent rootsweb mailing list, asking me if I sent her an email with an attachment Virus A IE 6.0 patch. I wrote to Karen saying I was on holiday when the Virus attachment was received by her, this is Karen's reply. After we "spoke" yesterday I checked the attachment and headers more closely. It was .bat file and a .pif file and I think contained the Klez virus. this particular virus falsifies a senders address from addresses stored within an infected computer's address book(hope that makes sense). Funny enough, later yesterday I had an Is return a mail to me, purporting to be from me, that contained a similar attachment, which I didn't send. My AV is up to date and like you I am very wary of attachments. Karen My message to you all is, if you are sent an attachment that you are not expecting, even from someone you know, contact them to ask what the attachment is about. These Virus are playing all sorts of tricks to get you to open the Attachments. DON'T. TO NEW SUBSCRIBERS welcome to the list and please make your computer safe, have you got an Anti Virus Protection programme, if not get one, there are various reliable makes Norton and McAfee are good, I have had experience of both. Keep your Anti Virus Protection up to-date at least once a week, also do a weekly BACKUP of your computers files, if you delete a file in error you can restore it from your back up and if you happen to have the Virus by opening an Attachment you can restore your files in the computer once your computer has been cleaned of the Virus. Best wishes Barbara Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants, UK BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk Listowner

Hello All, I have been looking at the backup photocopies that I have for Kingsclere. When William MILES Married Sarah LAWRENCE 13 April 1845 at Greenham their witnesses were Thomas WAITE Martha LAWRENCE and Harriet FULK, were they related to either family in any way?. When William MILES widow, married Elizabeth Smithers 11 October 1854 in Guildford, Surrey. Witnesses were George LEGG and Mary LEGG, could they be from Kingsclere. William was my 3 x great grandfather, he did not know anyone in Guildford only his daughter Sarah Jane MILES spinster who went to work there. When George MILES married Elizabeth JEWEL married on the 15 December 1849 the witnesses were George and Martha LONG who were they.? When Thomas MILES married Eliza COLLINS 15 October 1853 Kingsclere, one of the witnesses was Harriet MILES, there is not Harriet MILES in my family, could it have been Harriet MILES daughter of William MILES and Elizabeth WOODHOUSE, or have I got a Harriet MILES that I have missed on my family tree? Can anyone help, many thanks. Regards Barbara Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants, UK BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk

Hello All, Margaret sent a copy of a message she had received some time ago from Jim Bates in Australia regarding Homgers. I have found an article which touched on the subject as follows: The Manorial System By the time of Domesday the manorial system was established in most of England. From the arrival of the Saxons, leaders had rewarded their followers with grants of land and this had become formalised with the establishment of kingdoms. Lands could be held by direct grant from the Crown or effectively as a sub tenant of a mesne Lord who held lands directly from the Crown. Mesne effectively means middle ie: someone who held land and then sub let it. By the Middle Ages manors were economic units and they included the demesne or land which the lord farmed himself usually by paying wages or by accepting boon work from his tenants ie so many days unpaid work a year. Among the tenants, the freemen paid a rent while the villeins occupied their land in return for providing certain fixed services such as ploughing and harvesting. In practice many occupied lands subject to both sorts of tenure. After the Black Death the system began to change and villein tenure changed first to copyhold, where the tenant held a copy of the part of the manorial roll referring to his plot and later to leasehold where they paid a rent. Meanwhile freehold had evolved into ownership where the tenant was required to provide 'knight service' to his lord. Such freemen were entitled to vote provided other conditions were fulfilled and were eligible for jury service. From 1696 lists of people eligible for jury service were drawn up by the Quarter Sessions. Lords of the Manor were entitled to hold a manorial court over their tenants although the custom and usage for such institutions varied enormously. The courts were presided over by the lord's steward and made up of twelve homagers or jurors who were drawn from the chief tenants of the manor. The manorial jury usually worked from a document known as a custumial or record of the customs of the manor. No such document exists for Kingsclere. Manorial surveys are recorded as far back as the twelfth century but the earliest known for Kingsclere is in 1725. There were officially two manorial courts, the court baron and the court leet. The court baron dealt with land matters such as transfers, copyhold and the payment of services to the lord. They also directed which woodland would provide timber for fencing the highway and building bridges by the lord. The court leet dealt with petty law and order and with the administration of communal agriculture. The land was concentrated in very large open fields and tenants were granted plots for the year so that everyone had a share of the good and bad land. The court also appointed the officers for the year such as the constable. Manorial courts have mainly disappeared although the Kingsclere one certainly survived into the late 1800s, probably because Kingsclere was one of the last Hampshire villages to retain the open field system. They still survive in a few places mainly to deal with common land. A good example is Hungerford with its large common where Hocktide is celebrated in some style and is a great social occasion although the ostensible purpose is to form the manorial court for the year and to let the grazing. Regards Peter Goff Kingsclere, Hampshire www.kingsclere.org.uk All outgoing e-mails are scanned for viruses before despatch.

Hi All Watch out for an email with subject "meeting details" or similar as it contains the virus w32.klez.h it is contained in an attachment called BG.exe. Unfortunately it attacks Norton antivirus so you have to go to Symantec web site to get information as to how to remove it. Then reinstall Norton. Regards Peter Goff Kingsclere, Hampshire www.kingsclere.org.uk All outgoing e-mails are scanned for viruses before despatch.

Hello All Last week Barbara sent an e-mail refering to Jim Bates query about Homages in Kingsclere. There follows a article that has been passed to me which touches on the subject:--- The Manorial System By the time of Domesday the manorial system was established in most of England. >From the arrival of the Saxons, leaders had rewarded their followers with grants of land and this had become formalised with the establishment of kingdoms. Lands could be held by direct grant from the Crown or effectively as a sub tenant of a mesne Lord who held lands directly from the Crown. Mesne effectively means middle ie: someone who held land and then sub let it. By the Middle Ages manors were economic units and they included the demesne or land which the lord farmed himself usually by paying wages or by accepting boon work from his tenants ie so many days unpaid work a year. Among the tenants, the freemen paid a rent while the villeins occupied their land in return for providing certain fixed services such as ploughing and harvesting. In practice many occupied lands subject to both sorts of tenure. After the Black Death the system began to change and villein tenure changed first to copyhold, where the tenant held a copy of the part of the manorial roll referring to his plot and later to leasehold where they paid a rent. Meanwhile freehold had evolved into ownership where the tenant was required to provide 'knight service' to his lord. Such freemen were entitled to vote provided other conditions were fulfilled and were eligible for jury service. From 1696 lists of people eligible for jury service were drawn up by the Quarter Sessions. Lords of the Manor were entitled to hold a manorial court over their tenants although the custom and usage for such institutions varied enormously. The courts were presided over by the lord's steward and made up of twelve homagers or jurors who were drawn from the chief tenants of the manor. The manorial jury usually worked from a document known as a custumial or record of the customs of the manor. No such document exists for Kingsclere. Manorial surveys are recorded as far back as the twelfth century but the earliest known for Kingsclere is in 1725. There were officially two manorial courts, the court baron and the court leet. The court baron dealt with land matters such as transfers, copyhold and the payment of services to the lord. They also directed which woodland would provide timber for fencing the highway and building bridges by the lord. The court leet dealt with petty law and order and with the administration of communal agriculture. The land was concentrated in very large open fields and tenants were granted plots for the year so that everyone had a share of the good and bad land. The court also appointed the officers for the year such as the constable. Manorial courts have mainly disappeared although the Kingsclere one certainly survived into the late 1800s, probably because Kingsclere was one of the last Hampshire villages to retain the open field system. They still survive in a few places mainly to deal with common land. A good example is Hungerford with its large common where Hocktide is celebrated in some style and is a great social occasion although the ostensible purpose is to form the manorial court for the year and to let the grazing." Regards Peter Goff Kingsclere, Hampshire www.kingsclere.org.uk All outgoing e-mails are scanned for viruses before despatch.

Welcome to the list Carol, I endorse your words wholeheartedly. Peter's efforts on our behalf are never failing. I must also give Barbara her due. We are so lucky that all the people on the list do such kind deeds for us. So give yourselves a pat on the back everyone on the Kingsclere list, without you research from Oz would be so much harder. Carol Lawrence Gawler S.A. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Dale" <coradsl@tpg.com.au> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-KINGSCLERE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 5:29 PM Subject: Thank you > Dear list, > I have only just joined the list and thought it appropriate to thank Peter > Goff publicly for his recent assistance. Being a newbie, particularly at > English research and as the cost of buying indexes etc in Australian > Dollars is very very expensive, I really appreciate researcher that take > the time to gather that information and pass it on to me. > > Take three gold stars and a Kangaroo stamp from this grateful Australian > researcher. > > Carol Dale > Researching Prismalls and related families. > > ______________________________

Hi Everyone, I am re-posting my interests and would love to hear from any cousins or anyone researching any of these surnames. Regards, Candy NSW Australia ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ANSLOW, Cleehils, SAL, 1800 - 1900 BRIDGE, Bradwell & Tillingham, ESS, 1700 - now BRIDGE, Bethnal Grn & Stratford, LND, 1850 - now BEARD, St Pancras, LND, 1800 - 1881 BLINCOE, Warwick, WAR, 1700 - 1900 CHADBAND, Peterborough, NTH, 1800 - 1850 CORP, St Pancras, LND, 1800 - 1900 DOWNES, Aymestry, HEF, 1650 - 1750 FRY, Farnham, SRY, 1750 -1850 HICKMAN, Birmingham, WAR, 1800 - 1850 HOWELL, Aston & Birmingham, WAR, 1700 - now JONES John, Ely, CAM, 1800 - 1850 KEECH, Peterborough, NTH, 1800 - now KEECH, Fletton, HUN, 1750 - 1820 KEECH, St Pancras, LND, 1840 - now LAWLEY, Cleobury Mortimer, SAL, 1800 - 1850 LINNETT, Bradwell & Tillingham, ESS 1700 - 1900 MAYHEW, Soho, MDX, 1800 - 1900 MAYHEW, Billericay, ESS, 1750 - 1820 MILLS Emma, LND, 1800 - 1851 OLIVER, Peterborough, NTH, 1750 - 1820 PEARCE, Bramley, HAM, 1700 - 1900 PREW/PRUE, WAR, 1700 - 1900 QUERRY, Bradwell, ESS, 1700 - 1900 REE, Leintwardine, HEF, 1700 - now SHEL(S)TON, Castor, NTH, 1750 - 1820 SKINGSLEY, Dengie, Ess, 1800 - 1900 THUSTIN, Farnham Royal, BKM 1700 - 1800 TULL, Tadley, HAM, 1700 - now TULL, Aldermaston, BRK, 1700 - now WHITAKER, St. Giles, LND, 1775 - 1843 WILD, Weston Patrick, HAM, 1700 - 1900 WINSTON, Aldermaston, BRK, 1800 - 1900 http://briefcase.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Briefcase - Save your important files online for easy access!

Hello List I have just tried to email Agnes Brooks but have been "bounced" as the domain name is wrong. I thought it "funny" when she gave it to me. Never mind I expect she will be in contact again. Regards Peter Goff

Hello Listers I have been contacted by 'phone by an Agnes Brooks who is trying to find out about her Rivers connection. If you can help please email Agnes brookhouse@whsmithnet.uk . I have pointed her towards John Lewis' site and have told her how to subscribe to the list. Regards Peter Goff Kingsclere, Hampshire www.kingsclere.org.uk All outgoing e-mails are scanned for viruses before despatch.

Dear list, I definitely need glasses. In my previous post re the WHITFIELD AND WINDICATE families, it should have read WINDIATE. Sorry for the confusion, Carol Dale Researching Prismall and related families

Dear list, I definitely need glasses. In my previous post re the WHITFIELD AND WINDICATE families, it should have read WINDIATE. Sorry for the confusion, Carol Dale Researching Prismall and related families

Dear list, I have only just joined the list and thought it appropriate to thank Peter Goff publicly for his recent assistance. Being a newbie, particularly at English research and as the cost of buying indexes etc in Australian Dollars is very very expensive, I really appreciate researcher that take the time to gather that information and pass it on to me. Take three gold stars and a Kangaroo stamp from this grateful Australian researcher. Carol Dale Researching Prismalls and related families.

Dear list, Further research on related families to my Prismalls. John Prismall (born 1792 Kingsclere, Hampshire) married twice. His second wife was Elizabeth WHITFIELD. According to my research, she was the daughter of James WHITFIELD, born about 1782 and Jane WINDICATE, born about 1786 in Hampshire. They married on 12 May 1806 at Kingsclere. Is anybody researching either WINDICATE or WHITFIELD. Carol Dale Researching Prismall and related families, Kingsclere, Hampshire

Hi list, I am researching the Prismall's from Kingsclere and have found details of other families that are related to the Prismall's through the marriage of John Prismall to Elizabeth Booth in Kingsclere in 1818. The families are: BOOTH - Joshua Booth married Mary Parsons on 10 April 1793. They had five children - Hannah born/christened 27 Dec 1793, Joshua born/christened 31 Jul 1795, Elizabeth born/christened 17 Feb 1797, Joshua born/christened 13 mar 1801, Sarah born/christened 1 Mar 1805. Hannah married a Charles COPERTHITE Elizabeth married John PRISMALL Joshua (2) married a Mary RUMBOLD If anybody is researching this family, I would be interested in any material you have. I am willing to exchange Prismall information. Best wishes, Carol Dale Melbourne Australia Researching Prismall's

Hello the Moon Family, There is a line drawing of St Mary's on the kingsclere.org.uk site on the Churches of Kingsclere Hundred page and also the page headings include a photo taken last year. When the exhibition is finished I will try and scrounge any photos so I can scan them and send them to you. Regards Peter Goff Kingsclere, Hampshire www.kingsclere.org.uk All outgoing e-mails are scanned for viruses before despatch. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul & Margaret Moon" <4moons@hwy.com.au> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-KINGSCLERE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 12:15 AM Subject: Pictures of Churches. > Hello everyone, > > I certainly sounds like you had a wonderful time at the Kingsclere > celebration day. > > I was wondering if there is anyone on the list who would have a picture or > photo or St Marys Church, Kingsclere or All Saints, Burghclere. I am getting > ready to compile all of the information that I have on my Moon family and > thought I would include a couple of Churches as I don't have any very early > photoghaphs. > > Kind Regards, > Margaret, N.S.W., Australia. > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hello Carol and John, Firstly I am glad John enjoyed his trip to Kingsclere to our exhibition. It was nice to meet him again. With regard to Prismall, there are Prismall's on the 1881 census and also they appear in Kingsclere on the new British Vital Records CD's from LDS. After I have got this week-end over I will extract them and send the details to you. Best wishes Peter Goff Kingsclere, Hampshire www.kingsclere.org.uk All outgoing e-mails are scanned for viruses before despatch. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Lewis" <jayell@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-KINGSCLERE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 11:35 PM Subject: Re: Prismall family from Kingsclere > On Sat, 11 May 2002 17:45:20 +1000 > Carol Dale <coradsl@tpg.com.au> wrote: > > > I am researching my family in Australia and have in my direct line an > > Andrew PRISMALL, born 1828, son of John PRISMALL and Elizabeth BOOTH. > > Hello Carol > > Welcome to the list. You may have noticed Kingsclere is celebrating the > Queen's Jubilee year this weekend with another 'Bedbugs to Bytes' > exhibition. Personally I had a great day out, but don't recall anyone > asking about Prismals > > I only have one in my 'Kingsclere Families' database so far. Your Andrew > and family will now be added to the little I have. That one entry > records a Samuel Prismal as a witness at the marriage of James Coe and > Martha Hunt on 5 Apr 1787 at the parish church of St. Mary. > > I will keep a look out for Prismal events as I go through the register > fiche and let you know of anything I come across so that if you get no > respnse from anyone with indepth knowledge of the family you will have > somewhere to start from. > > > > -- > John Lewis <jayell@ntlworld.com> from Bournemouth, Dorset, UK > using Mandrake GNU/Linux 8.0 and Geneweb genealogy software > > Main Family Names in HAM are: > Kingsclere area: BUTLER, COOPER, FISHER, FOSTER, GIRDLER, HAWKINS > Hazeley Heath: BARKER, CHANDLER, LEWINGTON, NEVILL(E) > > Main Family Names in GLA are: > Vale of Glamorgan: GRIFFITH > Rumney: LEWIS > Aberdare: HOPKINS & JENKINS > and CMN: HOPKINS & DAVIES > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hello everyone, I certainly sounds like you had a wonderful time at the Kingsclere celebration day. I was wondering if there is anyone on the list who would have a picture or photo or St Marys Church, Kingsclere or All Saints, Burghclere. I am getting ready to compile all of the information that I have on my Moon family and thought I would include a couple of Churches as I don't have any very early photoghaphs. Kind Regards, Margaret, N.S.W., Australia.

On Sat, 11 May 2002 17:45:20 +1000 Carol Dale <coradsl@tpg.com.au> wrote: > I am researching my family in Australia and have in my direct line an > Andrew PRISMALL, born 1828, son of John PRISMALL and Elizabeth BOOTH. Hello Carol Welcome to the list. You may have noticed Kingsclere is celebrating the Queen's Jubilee year this weekend with another 'Bedbugs to Bytes' exhibition. Personally I had a great day out, but don't recall anyone asking about Prismals I only have one in my 'Kingsclere Families' database so far. Your Andrew and family will now be added to the little I have. That one entry records a Samuel Prismal as a witness at the marriage of James Coe and Martha Hunt on 5 Apr 1787 at the parish church of St. Mary. I will keep a look out for Prismal events as I go through the register fiche and let you know of anything I come across so that if you get no respnse from anyone with indepth knowledge of the family you will have somewhere to start from. -- John Lewis <jayell@ntlworld.com> from Bournemouth, Dorset, UK using Mandrake GNU/Linux 8.0 and Geneweb genealogy software Main Family Names in HAM are: Kingsclere area: BUTLER, COOPER, FISHER, FOSTER, GIRDLER, HAWKINS Hazeley Heath: BARKER, CHANDLER, LEWINGTON, NEVILL(E) Main Family Names in GLA are: Vale of Glamorgan: GRIFFITH Rumney: LEWIS Aberdare: HOPKINS & JENKINS and CMN: HOPKINS & DAVIES