Hello All, If any Lister has memorials from any of the other village Parishes, that they would like put on the Kingsclere list, please feel free to do so. If you would like to remember any of your kin, please feel free to write about them. There are other rootsweb mailing lists, ,they will be listing names until and including the 11 November 2002. Regards Barbara Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants, UK BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk Listowner

Hello All, Sunday the 10th November is Remberance Sunday. Each day I will list the names of those that served their Country in the First World War. These names have been taken from Peter Goff's website www.kingsclere.org.uk with his permission. This is a transcript of the record of all who served from Kingsclere and Kingsclere Woodlands during the First World War the original being on display on the Village Club. SURNAME INITIALS RANK SERVICE Adams A H Rifleman KRRC Alderman R Gunner RGA Allum G Cpl RASC Aldridge F Pte AVC Andrews A V Pte 16th Scottish Rifles Armstrong T W Sgt RHA Armstrong H Pte AVC Armstrong C H Pioneer RE Armstrong C R Driver RFA Avery H W Pte Royal Berks Avery J L Sh Smith AVC Bailey N Cpl 2nd Dorsets Barnes L H 2nd Lt RE Barnes R G 2nd Lt London Regt Barnes B E Pte AAMC Barnes E 2nd Lt Lincoln Regt Barton C Pte Hants Regt Beaver M S F Cpl RNAS Beauchamp C Pte Hants Regt Bennett G E H Pte Hants Regt Bennett R Pte 2nd Sportsmans Battalion Bennett M Sgt Coldstream Guards Bickerton G T 2nd Lt RAF Billimore R G Pte Hants Regt Birch G Capt RAMC Bradley B C Stoker RN HMS Caroline Bradley H Gunner RFA Bradley S Gunner RN HM Torpedo Boats Bradley W AB RN HMS Marlborough Bradshaw A V 2nd Lt Royal Berks Bradshaw J W Leading Cook RN HMS Grampus Bradshaw R P Cpl HLI Braithwaite E A Pte RASC Brewer W Pte 1 Queens West Surreys Brewer W F Rifleman KRRC Bridges F Pte Bedford Regt Bridges H Driver MTASC Brown J AB RN HMS Virginia Bussicot F J Pte Labour Corps Butler E G Driver RFA Butler DCM F Cpl Royal Berks Regards Barbara Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants, UK BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk

Hello All, Welcome Kingsclere to the new subscribers. To-day I went to the West Surrey Family History Society OPEN DAY at Woking, Surrey the Hampshire Stand was there to promote there new CDs. Isle of Wight 1891 Census Index which will be available this month, members price £10.50 including pp, non members price £15.00 including postage and packaging Quote HCD002 Hampshire 1891 Census (excluding Isle of Wight) Bookmarked alphabetical listing of the rest of Hampshire in Abode Acrobat (PDF) format including "find" facility. Available late November, Members price £15.50 including pp non Members £20.50 including UK pp Quote HCD003 Regards Barbara Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants, UK BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk Listowner

Sent to Hampshire rootsweb in error. ----- Original Message ----- From: "carole waspe" <webmaster@cwaspe.demon.co.uk> To: <HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 6:00 PM Subject: [Ham] LEWINGTON | John Lewis, | | Hi, | | I believe you have just added LEWINGTON to your list of names - I too am | researching LEWINGTON - Mary to be precise - do you have any Mary's | around late 1800 's ? | | Regards, | -- | carole waspe | | | ==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== | Parish Register transcriptions for some parishes are available on line at www.knightsure.co.uk/knightroots/genealogy and click "parish registers" |

In message <00a201c2812a$c7c54900$f1bbfea9@barbara>, Barbara Mallyon <BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk> writes >Hi Steve and All, > >I think we the Kingsclere List have taken the Kingsclere Historical >Society by surprise, they told me that they only intended the video to be >sold locally. >They told me that all of the Video had all been sold and that they will >not be having any more of them, which is a great shame. > >The problem is that they do not want to get into package and posting and >have sold all that they wanted to sell. > >Regards > >Barbara Mallyon >Basingstoke, Hants, UK >BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk Would it be worth asking them if they objected to someone copying the tape, Barbara? The quality might not be the same, but knowing what i am prepared to accept if i think anything relevant is on it, maybe those that want the tape would be happy with that? Just a thought..... regards Roz C. Roz Cawley roz@delamici.demon.co.uk http://www.delamici.demon.co.uk

Helo List I have a copy of the video and will see if I can get permission to get copies made professionally. I will keep you posted but can't promise anything. Regards Peter Goff Kingsclere, Hampshire, UK www.kingsclere.org.uk All outgoing e-mails are scanned for viruses before despatch. There are no attachments to this message

Hi Steve and All, I think we the Kingsclere List have taken the Kingsclere Historical Society by surprise, they told me that they only intended the video to be sold locally. They told me that all of the Video had all been sold and that they will not be having any more of them, which is a great shame. The problem is that they do not want to get into package and posting and have sold all that they wanted to sell. Regards Barbara Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants, UK BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Prout" <steven.prout@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-KINGSCLERE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 6:11 PM Subject: {not a subscriber} Kingsclere Video | Hi List, | Does anybody know if there is going to be a re-issue | of the Video on Kingsclere coming out at all. | | Many Thanks | | | Steve Prout | Researching PROUT/PROUTE/SPROUT |

On Mon, 28 Oct 2002 22:34:19 -0000 carol dolton wrote: > Rachel FARMER in 1785. John could you look for me and see if > there is an earlier Thomas born to one of the Stephens > families, before 1780. Just so that I can definitely say Thomas > born 1785 is 'mine'. The trouble is that it is all patron > submitted on the IGI and I have only got the BT's. Tomorrow - when my eyes have recovered from todays session at the fiche reader. > George and Sarah RAMPTON 1791. > Could Yetman be Rampton?? The Rampton family in Kingsclere were chimney sweeps. As for Yetman being Rampton I'd not be surprised by anything you find in the parish registers. Woodhouse seems to come in the following varieties: Wooders, Woodhard, Woodard. Woodhart and Woodhurst. --- John Lewis using Debian GNU/Linux and GeneWeb genealogy software

Good evening list and John, I was wondering if anybody out there was researching Thomas STEVENS. He is married in Upton Grey to Patience G(Y)ETMAN in 1809. Their daughter Patience marries Rupert WARWICK of Kingsclere in Whitchurch 1848. There are a few Stephens/Stevens families having children in Kingsclere. Although Thomas in 1851 says he was born in 1780, the first Thomas I find is baptised to Richard STEVENS and Rachel FARMER in 1785. John could you look for me and see if there is an earlier Thomas born to one of the Stephens families, before 1780. Just so that I can definitely say Thomas born 1785 is 'mine'. The trouble is that it is all patron submitted on the IGI and I have only got the BT's. Also if someone has the Overton registers could they look for a patience Y/GETMAN born 1789. I've looked at my BT's and they only give a Patience born to John and Sarah NASH 1790 and a Patience born to George and Sarah RAMPTON 1791. Could Yetman be Rampton?? Just thought I'd ask and see if anybody out there had any connection? regards, Carol

Hello All, Diary Dates. This coming Saturday the 2nd November 2002. The West Surrey Family History Society has an Open Day at the Leisure Centre, Kingfield Road, Woking, Surrey Sunday the 21st September 2003. The Hampshire Genealogical Society OPEN DAY at Horndean. Sunday 12th October 2003. The Kingsclere List, 2nd Anniversary Lunch at the Crown Inn, Kingsclere. This is giving you plenty of notice to make your holidays around this date, we all look forward to meeting you. Regards Barbara Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants, UK BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk

Hello All, I have a saying "In genealogy you never know", a few weeks ago this proved to be true. A girl called Jean and I lived next door to each other from the age of 18 months, we are still good friends and see each other at least once a year and talk on the telephone. I know all of Jeans family, her Aunts, Uncles, Gran and Grandad, Cousins and Jean knows all of my family. My mother went to school with Jean's mother Vera HART. A few months ago Roger my spouse and I went to lunch with Jean and her husband, they live on the South Coast. Jean showed us some of the photographs, from her holiday in Canada, Jean opened up the photograph album and what a surprise, I could not believe my eyes. In the front of the photograph album there was a note from Jeans cousin in Canada, this was about her family research, their gran was granny HART. I used to go with Jean to see granny HART on our bikes, from the cousins research granny HART is the daughter of Alice JEWELL baptised 1887 and Charles HART of Burghclere born 1884. Alice parents are parents Arthur JEWELL baptised 1859 and Martha Ann CUMMINS, Arthur's parents were George JEWELL baptised 1823 Kingsclere and Sophia GIRDLER baptised 1834, they married 1852. What a surprise after all these years of knowing Jean and her family, to find out her ancestors also come from the Kingsclere area, the same as mine and I also have her ancestors on the JEWELL and GIRDLER linked into my family tree. So please always keep an opened mind when it comes to genealogy, you never know. Is anyone doing a HART family tree, I am sure Jean would like to hear from you. Regards Barbara Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants, UK BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk.

Sorry folks, I've come late into this conversation, but I have the BT's for Baughurst and I've looked for Eliza born 1811 (as the 1851 says she's aged 39 born Baughurst). And woe betide us there are four Eliza's born that year :-(( And looking at William and Eliza's children give no clues as to the parents names. 7-4-1811 Eliza born to Robert and Harriet Simpson 7-4-1811 Eliza born to Thomas and Hannah Appleton 30-6-1811 Eliza born to Thomas and Hannah West 22-9-1811 Eliza born to Joseph and Jane Smith The closest I can get to is Hannah but which one? This needs a bit more rummaging I'd say! regards, Carol ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Lewis" <jayell@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-KINGSCLERE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 12:59 PM Subject: Re: Can anyone help > On Sat, 26 Oct 2002 21:47:56 +0100 > Barbara Mallyon wrote: > > From: "Brian Marron" <brilin@brilin.screaming.net> > > To: "Barbara Mallyon" <BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk> > > > | I have no William Woodhouse married to Elizabeth? on my > > | database. I have seen the Isaac Woodhouse married on 11th Dec > > Further to my earlier email I found William Woodhouse when I > looked in the correct parish. It is Hannington and ot St. Mary > Bourne where I looked earlier by mistake. He was baptised 14 Oct > 1804 to Isacc and Mary Woodhouse so I had correctly allocated > parents to him. Isaac and Mary probably lived in 'clere but > baptised all the children in Hannington. To be certain I need to > look at Hannington Parish Registers to see what abode is recorded > there as the BTs do not give this info. > > Now to try to find out who Elizabeth is! The first child in the > 1851 listing is George born Baughurst about 1835 so there is a > good chance the marriage of William & Eliza(beth) took place in > Baughurst. Does anyone have these fiche and can take a look? All > his siblings are shown in 1851 index as born Baughurst. > > If it helps to identify this family, George married Harriet New > on 14 Dec 1861 at St. Paul, Woodlands. He was living Wolverton > Common in 1881 with Harriet and 3 children and according to one > of my sources was possibly a lay preacher. > > --- > John Lewis <jayellatntlworlddotcom> from Bournemouth, Dorset, UK. > using Debian GNU/Linux and GeneWeb genealogy software > > Main Family Names in HAM are: > Kingsclere: BUTLER, COOPER, FISHER, FOSTER, GIRDLER, HAWKINS, > SMITH > Hazeley Heath: BARKER, CHANDLER, LEWINGTON, NEVILL(E) > > Main Family Names in GLA are: > GRIFFITH, HOPKINS, JENKINS, LEWIS. MORGAN, PHILLIPS > and CMN: HOPKINS, DAVIES > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

On Sat, 26 Oct 2002 21:47:56 +0100 Barbara Mallyon wrote: > From: "Brian Marron" <brilin@brilin.screaming.net> > To: "Barbara Mallyon" <BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk> > | I have no William Woodhouse married to Elizabeth? on my > | database. I have seen the Isaac Woodhouse married on 11th Dec Further to my earlier email I found William Woodhouse when I looked in the correct parish. It is Hannington and ot St. Mary Bourne where I looked earlier by mistake. He was baptised 14 Oct 1804 to Isacc and Mary Woodhouse so I had correctly allocated parents to him. Isaac and Mary probably lived in 'clere but baptised all the children in Hannington. To be certain I need to look at Hannington Parish Registers to see what abode is recorded there as the BTs do not give this info. Now to try to find out who Elizabeth is! The first child in the 1851 listing is George born Baughurst about 1835 so there is a good chance the marriage of William & Eliza(beth) took place in Baughurst. Does anyone have these fiche and can take a look? All his siblings are shown in 1851 index as born Baughurst. If it helps to identify this family, George married Harriet New on 14 Dec 1861 at St. Paul, Woodlands. He was living Wolverton Common in 1881 with Harriet and 3 children and according to one of my sources was possibly a lay preacher. --- John Lewis <jayellatntlworlddotcom> from Bournemouth, Dorset, UK. using Debian GNU/Linux and GeneWeb genealogy software Main Family Names in HAM are: Kingsclere: BUTLER, COOPER, FISHER, FOSTER, GIRDLER, HAWKINS, SMITH Hazeley Heath: BARKER, CHANDLER, LEWINGTON, NEVILL(E) Main Family Names in GLA are: GRIFFITH, HOPKINS, JENKINS, LEWIS. MORGAN, PHILLIPS and CMN: HOPKINS, DAVIES

On Sat, 26 Oct 2002 21:47:56 +0100 Barbara Mallyon wrote: > From: "Brian Marron" <brilin@brilin.screaming.net> > > | Isaac Woodhouse married Sarah Martin 9th March 1777 at > > | Kingsclere. They > had > | three children Mary baptised 19th May 1781, Isaac baptised > | 13th March > 1784 > | and (This one is of some doubt) Hannah Wooders baptised 11th > | Dec 1785. I am not sure where you saw her as WOODERS. The entry for Hannah in both Bishops Transcripts and Baptism Register has her parents clearly as WOODHOUSE, abode Kingsclere Dell. The entry for Mary has Woodhouse in the BTs but WOODAY in the register, abode Town, Isaac is Woodhouse in both with abode again as Town. The burial for Isaac in December of 1784 has abode Town and age 1 year so that takes this Isaac out of the reckoning. The first entry for Isaac and Jane is that for Sarah, bapt. Jul 1793, and has abode as Kingsclere Dell. When Thomas is bapt. in Oct 1795, abode is given as Town so it looks as thuough Dell and Town were inter-changeable. The marriage and banns entries for Isaac/Jane Cummins do not give status of either party but there is a burial of Sarah Woodhouse of Town on 27 Oct 1790 (no age stated). So it does seem likely that Jane _was_ Isaacs second wife> I have seen a couple more WOODERS entries, John Wooders who married Elizabeth Cooper at St. Mary, Kingsclere in March 1781. Elizabeth came, I believe, from Woodcott and was a dau of Richard and Mary Cooper who may be direct ancestors of mine. Their daughter was bapt as Elizabeth Wooders in Oct 1781 and there is a burial of Elizabeth Wooders in May 1781. I don't know how North Hampshire people spoke in the 18th Cent. but I imagine it would be quite easy for the name Woodhouse to sound different to what we would expect today, omit pronouncing the H and slurring the 'ouse' part could easily give Wooders > | However as I was working backwards and looking for Hannah I > | might have picked the wrong one. There was also a Hannah > | baptised on 18th May 1783 as the illegitimate child of Ann > | Woodhouse. Either would fit into my database. Ann was living Kingsclere Common. I have nothing further on Ann at present. > | There is also a removal order against Isaac & Sarah dated 4th > | April 1777 for them to return to Hannington despite the fact > | that all their children are baptised in Kingsclere. > | Turning now to the individual names: > | Hannah Woodhouse born in 1813 and baptised on 22nd Sep 1816 > | married Richard Holmes on 20th Feb 1843 at Kingsclere. Their > | children were as follows: > | James Woodhouse born 1841 and baptised 7th Nov 1841. > | He was the illegitimate > | son of Hannah Woodhouse a pauper of Swan St Kingsclere The marriage entry in the St. Mary register for these two gives Hannah's father as Joseph, labourer. Hannah was living Mill Green at the time as was Richard whose father was also a Richard, Rag Man. I have Joseph married to Sarah Smith on 17 Feb 1795 at St. Mary. They have several children including the Mary who married William Holmes, father Richard on 28 Sep 1848 at St. Paul, Woodlands. Mary also lived at Mill Green so it looks as though this is the right family. Joseph's parents were probably Joseph and Elizabeth (Monger) of Sidmonton who married on 10 Oct 1770. I have just two children for this couple, James bapt 16 Nov 1773 and Joseph. I don't have a baptism date for Joseph but father's name in th marriage register is Joseph so it seems likely I have the right parents. > | Mary Ann Woodhouse was the daughter of Joseph Woodhouse. She > | married William Holmes on 22nd Sep 1848. Their 1st child > | Richard Holmes was <snipped> > | I think there is a possibility that he may have gone to > | prison after the Banns were called. She was baptised 'plain' Mary so the Ann must have been added later perhaps to distinguish her from an earlier Mary bapt 17 Oct 1796 to Joseph & Sarah, who were recorded as living Ashford Hill. I presume this Mary died but haven't seen a burial record for her as yet. > | I have no William Woodhouse married to Elizabeth? on my > | database. I have seen the Isaac Woodhouse married on 11th Dec > | 1792 to Jane Cummins on the IGI but unless it's the 2nd > | marriage <snipped> See above for details which seem to confirm this was a second marriage The 1851 census index for Hannington has William and Eliza with 7 children. William born ca 1805 in Hannington. I cannot see a baptism for him in Hannington BTs or Kingsclere PRs but he does fit neatly into the sequence of children of Isaac and Jane. I will give this some more research later. to see if I have missed him. > | My aim is to determine if my Hannah Woodhouse (Wooders) was > | the illegitimate daur of Ann Woodhouse baptised on 18th May > | 1783 OR the daughter of Isaac & Sarah Woodhouse baptised 11th > | Dec 1785. The correct person is the one who eventually > | married Alexander Webb(Bn 1783, bp 5/4/1788) at Thatcham > | Berks on 17th Nov 1805. This would mean she was either 20 or > | 22 on marriage- either is appropriate. Nothing I have will help with this I am afraid. The marriage register will not help as parents were not recorded at this period. The only thing that might give a clue is the way they named their children. Again I cannot help as I do not know where Isaac was born (Hannington?) or who his parents might be. --- John Lewis <jayellatntlworlddotcom> from Bournemouth, Dorset, UK. using Debian GNU/Linux and GeneWeb genealogy software Main Family Names in HAM are: Kingsclere: BUTLER, COOPER, FISHER, FOSTER, GIRDLER, HAWKINS, SMITH Hazeley Heath: BARKER, CHANDLER, LEWINGTON, NEVILL(E) Main Family Names in GLA are: GRIFFITH, HOPKINS, JENKINS, LEWIS. MORGAN, PHILLIPS and CMN: HOPKINS, DAVIES

From: "Brian Marron" <brilin@brilin.screaming.net> To: "Barbara Mallyon" <BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk> Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2002 3:44 PM Subject: Re: My Surnames List | Re Wooders/Woodhouse Family | Hi Barbara, | | Isaac Woodhouse married Sarah Martin 9th March 1777 at Kingsclere. They had | three children Mary baptised 19th May 1781, Isaac baptised 13th March 1784 | and (This one is of some doubt) Hannah Wooders baptised 11th Dec 1785. | However as I was working backwards and looking for Hannah I might have | picked the wrong one. There was also a Hannah baptised on 18th May 1783 as | the illegitimate child of Ann Woodhouse. Either would fit into my database. | | There is also a removal order against Isaac & Sarah dated 4th April 1777 for | them to return to Hannington despite the fact that all their children are | baptised in Kingsclere. | Turning now to the individual names: | Hannah Woodhouse born in 1813 and baptised on 22nd Sep 1816 married Richard | Holmes on 20th Feb 1843 at Kingsclere. Their children were as follows: | James Woodhouse born 1841 and baptised 7th Nov 1841. He was the illegitimate | son of Hannah Woodhouse a pauper of Swan St Kingsclere | Mary Ann Woodhouse was the daughter of Joseph Woodhouse. She married William | Holmes on 22nd Sep 1848. Their 1st child Richard Holmes was baptised on 6th | Oct 1845 (3 years prior to the parents marriage) and was shown as the | illegitimate son of Mary Woodhouse a spinster of Mill Green. The Banns were | called in 1845 but she didn't marry William Holmes until 3 years later. I | think there is a possibility that he may have gone to prison after the Banns | were called. | | I have no William Woodhouse married to Elizabeth? on my database. I have | seen the Isaac Woodhouse married on 11th Dec 1792 to Jane Cummins on the | IGI but unless it's the 2nd marriage of Isaac (First one to Sarah Martin) | then it would be too early to be his son bp 1784. One would need to find the | burial of a Sarah Woodhouse prior to 1792. | | My aim is to determine if my Hannah Woodhouse (Wooders) was the illegitimate | daur of Ann Woodhouse baptised on 18th May 1783 OR the daughter of Isaac & | Sarah Woodhouse baptised 11th Dec 1785. The correct person is the one who | eventually married Alexander Webb (Bn 1783, bp 5/4/1788) at Thatcham Berks | on 17th Nov 1805. This would mean she was either 20 or 22 on marriage- | either is appropriate. | I look forward to hearing from anyone with more details. If Hannah was | illegitimate then I will have to delete Isaac & Sarah and their children | Isaac and Mary | Regards | Brian

Hi Sue, Daniel Spicer, wife Letitia and family were given a 'Removal Order', dated 10th July 1812, this says that they were not wanted in the Parish and that they would be a burden on the Parish Purse, the Parish could not afford to keep Daniel, Letitia and family. There are many reasons, Daniel could have been out of work, they may have been sending him back to his last employer where he served an apprenticeship, he could have been disabled, a trouble maker etc., the problem may have been Letitia. As for the baptisms, people can be baptised where they like, they did not have to live in Hannington to be baptised in Hannington, they may have liked the Vicar there, or classed the church as their family church. Regards Barbara Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants, UK BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Matthews" <susan.matthews1@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-KINGSCLERE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 6:44 PM Subject: Removal Order | I visited Hampshire Record Office last week and finding a lot of information | on my Spicer and Watts families in the Hannington parish register. | But I also found a 'Removal Order', dated 10th July 1812 for my 3 x Great | grandfather Daniel Spicer my his wife Letita and sons John 3 and William 1 | from Kingsclere to to Tilehurst, Berkshire. Which has confused me somewhat, | Daniel was baptised 30 April 1780 at Hannington, John was baptised 6 | November 1808, and William 3 February 1811 at Hannington. (Mother is named | as Elizabeth) I did not find a marriage at Kingsclere or Hannington, but | according to the Berkshire Marriage Index a Daniel Spicer married Lydia | Hasell 7th August 1805 at Tilehurst this hasn't been checked yet but looks | about right and it is the only Spicer marriage at Tilehurst. | This leaves me with the question WHY? And did they actually go. If they did, | they soon returned as 5 more children were baptised at Hannington after | 1815. | His father was still living at Hannington not dieing until 1817. | Any ideas on this would be gratefully received. | | Sue Matthews | | | Abingdon, Oxon | wiblin@one-name.org | | | | | ============================== | To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: | http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 | | |

Hi Sue Me again. One way to find out if they actually complied with the removal order is to look at the Quarter Session records. They may have lodged a succussful appeal. I haven't done anything on Hampshire Quarter Sessions but have spent many many hours on Surrey ones and there are numerous cases there where Removal Orders were appealed against - not usually successfully it has to be said but there must be exceptions. The other thought that crossed my mind is that despite a Hannington baptism, Daniel might not actually have been born in Hannington? Children usually took the settlement parish of the father until or unless they'd been working on contract for a full year (not a day less) for a settled employer of the parish (or by serving apprenticeship to a settled man, or owning/renting a house rated at 10 pounds (quite large) etc. Wives and children took the man's settlement. Finally Sue, Have you actually got the Berkshire Marriage Index? I didn't realise it was for sale. Is it on CD and if so I'd be grateful for a lookup. Hope the foregoing helps Regards Ann ---- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Matthews" <susan.matthews1@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-KINGSCLERE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 6:44 PM Subject: Removal Order > I visited Hampshire Record Office last week and finding a lot of information > on my Spicer and Watts families in the Hannington parish register. > But I also found a 'Removal Order', dated 10th July 1812 for my 3 x Great > grandfather Daniel Spicer my his wife Letita and sons John 3 and William 1 > from Kingsclere to Tilehurst, Berkshire. Which has confused me somewhat, > Daniel was baptised 30 April 1780 at Hannington, John was baptised 6 > November 1808, and William 3 February 1811 at Hannington. (Mother is named > as Elizabeth) I did not find a marriage at Kingsclere or Hannington, but > according to the Berkshire Marriage Index a Daniel Spicer married Lydia > Hasell 7th August 1805 at Tilehurst this hasn't been checked yet but looks > about right and it is the only Spicer marriage at Tilehurst. > This leaves me with the question WHY? And did they actually go. If they did, > they soon returned as 5 more children were baptised at Hannington after > 1815. > His father was still living at Hannington not dieing until 1817. > Any ideas on this would be gratefully received. > > Sue Matthews > > > Abingdon, Oxon > wiblin@one-name.org > > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.406 / Virus Database: 229 - Release Date: 21/10/02

I visited Hampshire Record Office last week and finding a lot of information on my Spicer and Watts families in the Hannington parish register. But I also found a 'Removal Order', dated 10th July 1812 for my 3 x Great grandfather Daniel Spicer my his wife Letita and sons John 3 and William 1 from Kingsclere to Tilehurst, Berkshire. Which has confused me somewhat, Daniel was baptised 30 April 1780 at Hannington, John was baptised 6 November 1808, and William 3 February 1811 at Hannington. (Mother is named as Elizabeth) I did not find a marriage at Kingsclere or Hannington, but according to the Berkshire Marriage Index a Daniel Spicer married Lydia Hasell 7th August 1805 at Tilehurst this hasn't been checked yet but looks about right and it is the only Spicer marriage at Tilehurst. This leaves me with the question WHY? And did they actually go. If they did, they soon returned as 5 more children were baptised at Hannington after 1815. His father was still living at Hannington not dieing until 1817. Any ideas on this would be gratefully received. Sue Matthews Abingdon, Oxon wiblin@one-name.org

I have some records of William Dry and Eliza Soper, but appear to have Eliza Soper down twice with 2 different birth/baptism dates. Assuming (nasty word) that I have the right Eliza Soper, I can trace her ancestry back a very long way if anyone is interested. Charles in Cambridge Descendants of William DRY 1 William DRY . +Eliza SOPER b: 1802 m: 1827 in Kingsclere ... 2 James DRY b: 1822 ... 2 Eli DRY b: 1832 ... 2 Ellen DRY b: 1834 ... 2 John DRY b: 1836 ... 2 Charlotte DRY b: 1827 ... 2 William DRY b: 1828 *2nd Wife of William DRY: . +Eliza SOPER b: 22 June 1804 m: 17 February 1827 in Kingsclere -----Original Message----- From: John Lewis [mailto:jayell@ntlworld.com] Sent: 23 October 2002 21:38 To: ENG-HAMPSHIRE-KINGSCLERE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: This DRY family On Wed, 23 Oct 2002 19:29:04 +0100 Denis Hamilton wrote: > I have John DRY Born 28 January 1790 and Baptised at WANTAGE, > Berkshire on the 12 February 1790 which fits his age on the > 1851 Census although it states he was born in KINGSCLERE. His > parents were Richard DRY = Mary THORN. When John was Buried 21 > April 1863 in Kingsclere his age was stated as 75 years - it > appears to me that John neither knew where he was born or how > old he was come Census time and someone gave his age > incorrectly when he was Buried - I have never obtained his > Death Cert, something I must do. It was really the combination of John Dry's marriage to Elizabeth Tyler and the baptism entry in Hannington which had "John and Elizabeth Dry of Kingsclere" that made me look closer at these entries. I have since found that a couple more of the children baptised in Hannington have married and had families in 'clere. Apart from John & Miriam Miles, William married Eliza Soper in 1827 and George married Sarah Cripps in 1836 and after she died married Harriet Talmage in 1844. I have looked at Kingsclere Baptisms from 1766 back to 1750 with out finding any Dry baptisms so it looks as though Thomas was born elsewhere - Did the family come from Hannington originally and that is why James went back there to have his children baptised? Who has Hannington fiche and could take a look? I did find an Elizabeth Tyler bapt. 31 Mar 1762, dau of John & Ann of Brazen Head Farm, plus several siblings (mostly sisters). I have a few loose ends in what I have found today to tidy up and I want to look to see if any of the daughters married. One of the puzzles is David Dry who was born about 1830 according to his age (24) when buried. He had married Harriet Hughes in 1851 at St. Paul, Woodlands but had only one child, Ellen bapt 6 Sep 1852 at St. Mary before he died in Aug 1854 and was buried at St Paul. I cannot find any baptism record for him, the registers are poor at this period with many near unreadable entries but I don't think I have missed his entry. Harriet Dry (Hughes) re-married, on 11 Oct 1856 at St. Paul, John Hutchins and had a number of children, all are recorded in the 1881 census. In the household in 1881 is Ada Dry recorded as grandaughter age 7 born Kingsclere. The only possible parent for Ada is Ellen Dry I can find no record of a baptism for Ada in St. Mary, St Paul or St. Lawrence, Ecchinswell, but there is a baptism on 1 Mar 1874 at St Paul of a Edith Ellen baseborn dau of Emma Dry of Ram Alley. This date does fit the age given in the 1881 census so is Emma really Ellen, dau of David and Harriet?? and is Ada really Edith? There aren't any other baseborn children born around this date. Ada Dry was later to marry Henry Charles Manchester on 26 Nov 1891 at St. Paul, no father is named in the marriage register for Ada. The only person who might be able to throw some light on this is Margaret Ingram as Henry is a great-uncle of hers. This is all better than any detective story ;-) --- John Lewis ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.406 / Virus Database: 229 - Release Date: 21/10/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.406 / Virus Database: 229 - Release Date: 21/10/2002

Hello All, Have you heard the latest on the rootsweb grapevine. As of today, the LDS website www.familysearch.org has made the 1880 US Census, 1881 Canadian Census and the 1881 British Census available to Internet users for instant online searching. After you thought to family search, and got through to Census and found the person that you are research, go on to Household to get the rest of the family. Regards Barbara Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants, UK BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk