Hello John and All, This nice letter and family tree was from Brian Cooper and Nikki Collard, I thought that you would know about them. There are a lot of children they may link up with other researchers on the list. I will also be putting this message on the Berkshire rootsweb after I have heard from their Listowner Phil Wood. Regards Barbara Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants, UK BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Lewis" <jayell@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-KINGSCLERE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 3:04 PM Subject: Re: Surnames of Butler,Watts,Lee,Savage | On Tue, 7 Jan 2003 10:26:34 -0000 | Barbara Mallyon wrote: | | > I have had a very nice letter today from a couple living in | > Wiltshire who do not own a computer, they have read in the | | I have written direct to Barbara sending her an extensive Butler | tree which includes most of the names this couple are enquiring | after. | | Brian Cooper or Nikki Collard may have more info on the Lee | family of Thatcham as they both are descended from Eli Cooper who | married Mary Lee in Thatcham in 1861. Mary's parents were Thomas | Lee and Sarah Lawrence. | | Rodney Whale may have some more info on Abigail Stocker as it is | one of his family names and from the right area for her to be | part of his family. | | I don't at the moment have a maiden name for the Ann who married | William Butler about 1816 as I have yet to find where they | married. | | > William BUTLER of Kingsclere married Ann ? | > they had 9 children, 3 born in Ashford Hill and 6 born in | > Kingsclere | > | > son Eli BUTLER married Emma LEE 1852 Thatcham, Berks | > they had 7 children, 3 born in Kingsclere and 4 born in | > Thatcham/Greenham, Berkshire | > | > son Henry BUTLER married Abigail STOCKER 1877 Cold Ash, | > Berkshire they had eight children. | | --- | John Lewis <jayellatntlworlddotcom> from Bournemouth, Dorset, UK. | using Debian GNU/Linux and GeneWeb genealogy software | | Main Family Names in HAM are: | Kingsclere: BUTLER, COOPER, FISHER, FOSTER, GIRDLER, HAWKINS, | SMITH | Hazeley Heath: BARKER, CHANDLER, LEWINGTON, NEVILL(E) | | Main Family Names in GLA are: | GRIFFITH, HOPKINS, JENKINS, LEWIS. MORGAN, PHILLIPS | and CMN: HOPKINS, DAVIES | | | ============================== | To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: | http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 |

On Tue, 7 Jan 2003 10:26:34 -0000 Barbara Mallyon wrote: > I have had a very nice letter today from a couple living in > Wiltshire who do not own a computer, they have read in the I have written direct to Barbara sending her an extensive Butler tree which includes most of the names this couple are enquiring after. Brian Cooper or Nikki Collard may have more info on the Lee family of Thatcham as they both are descended from Eli Cooper who married Mary Lee in Thatcham in 1861. Mary's parents were Thomas Lee and Sarah Lawrence. Rodney Whale may have some more info on Abigail Stocker as it is one of his family names and from the right area for her to be part of his family. I don't at the moment have a maiden name for the Ann who married William Butler about 1816 as I have yet to find where they married. > William BUTLER of Kingsclere married Ann ? > they had 9 children, 3 born in Ashford Hill and 6 born in > Kingsclere > > son Eli BUTLER married Emma LEE 1852 Thatcham, Berks > they had 7 children, 3 born in Kingsclere and 4 born in > Thatcham/Greenham, Berkshire > > son Henry BUTLER married Abigail STOCKER 1877 Cold Ash, > Berkshire they had eight children. --- John Lewis <jayellatntlworlddotcom> from Bournemouth, Dorset, UK. using Debian GNU/Linux and GeneWeb genealogy software Main Family Names in HAM are: Kingsclere: BUTLER, COOPER, FISHER, FOSTER, GIRDLER, HAWKINS, SMITH Hazeley Heath: BARKER, CHANDLER, LEWINGTON, NEVILL(E) Main Family Names in GLA are: GRIFFITH, HOPKINS, JENKINS, LEWIS. MORGAN, PHILLIPS and CMN: HOPKINS, DAVIES

Hello All, I have had a very nice letter today from a couple living in Wiltshire who do not own a computer, they have read in the Hampshire Genealogical Society Magazine, about the Kingsclere rootsweb and have asked if I would advertise the names, that they are researching. If anyone is interested in these names, please contact me for the family tree and address of this couple. William BUTLER of Kingsclere married Ann ? they had 9 children, 3 born in Ashford Hill and 6 born in Kingsclere son Eli BUTLER married Emma LEE 1852 Thatcham, Berks they had 7 children, 3 born in Kingsclere and 4 born in Thatcham/Greenham, Berkshire son Henry BUTLER married Abigail STOCKER 1877 Cold Ash, Berkshire they had eight children. Annie Lily born 1880 Greenham married Thomas FRANCIS Ruth born 1882 Stoke, Guildford, Surrey married Henry Bertram RUSSELL John born Crookham/Greenham, Berkshire married Ellen SAVAGE William born 1887 Merrow, Guildford married Ella WOOD Eli born 1881 Ampfield, Hants married Jessie Emma WATTS James born 1893 Ampfield, Hants married Florence Matilda SKILTON second wife was Irene, Ruth ? Edward, Charles married Mary Ann PRICE Olive born 1897 married Frederick STEVENSON If anyone can fill in the missing dates, names, places they would be very pleased to hear from you. Regards Barbara Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants, UK BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk Listowner

Hello All, Can anyone please tell me, when a relation has bought a burial plot, to bury their relation/s, how long does that relation own the plot of land for? Also if that relation buys a headstone and curb stones, how long does the headstone and curb stones remain the property of that relation. Regards Barbara Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants, UK BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Goff" <peter.goff@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-KINGSCLERE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 7:40 PM Subject: Churchyard memorials - where are they | Just out of interest I had a conversation with a local builder today. He told me that he bought all the stones from the churchyard in the 1960's and used most of them to build a water garden in a house in Highclere or thereabouts. | | Some others are in a water feature in his garden in Kingsclere. No I can't tell you where it is. | | Peter Goff | | | ============================== | To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: | http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 |

Hi List, Peter wrote: "Just out of interest I had a conversation with a local builder today. He told me that he bought all the stones from the churchyard in the 1960's and used most of them to build a water garden in a house in Highclere or thereabouts" ============= From my visit to Kingsclere back in November of 2001and my walk through the churchyard i must say that the headstones used to kerb the walkway were of reasonable condition and much of the inscriptions were readable. The thing that is bugging me a bit is, Did the council in the 60`s keep a record of the headstones that were kept and a record of those that were unsafe and "flogged off" as scrap! Also is there any written "for and Against" the idea of removal literature available, Newspaper cuttings etc. Kindest Regards Steve Prout (Researching PROUT/PROUTE/SPROUT) PS: Curious Note: Who was on the committee at the time - Did they have any ancestors in the yard ?

Just out of interest I had a conversation with a local builder today. He told me that he bought all the stones from the churchyard in the 1960's and used most of them to build a water garden in a house in Highclere or thereabouts. Some others are in a water feature in his garden in Kingsclere. No I can't tell you where it is. Peter Goff

Hi List, Came across a site today which may be of intrest to anybody who had ancestors who were killed in action within the Police forces. It is at http://www.policememorial.org.uk/Forces/ForcesList.htm Just scroll down the list of counties and a host of information is at hand. At the home page there is an abundance of useful information on the police force. Kindest Regards Steve Prout Researching PROUT/PROUTE/SPROUT

Hello Ian and All, You are quite correct, I would not send any message with a Virus or Virus attachment. My computer is very well protected with Anti Virus Protection, and Fire Wall and I do not open Attachments. The Christmas Card attachments that were sent to me, were examined for Virus before I have opened them. Many thanks to those who sent them. It is the same Virus that has done the rounds before, I have been getting a Virus message sent to me, with one of our subscribers email address. When you go into Properties, there are various false email addresses given, as to where the message has been sent from. All Listowners are aware of this problem, there is really nothing we can do about it, just keep saying, Update your AntiVirus Protection weekly. McAfee update is on a Wednesday and Norton is either a Wednesday or a Thursday. Make it a habit of doing a weekly BACKUP, this could save you a lot of work if your computer crashes, and you lose all of your files. Remember DO NOT OPEN ANY ATTACHMENTS, unless you have been asked first if it is OK to send an attachment. Take care of yourself and your computer. Barbara Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants, UK BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: IanGDurham@aol.com To: ENG-HAMPSHIRE-KINGSCLERE-admin@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 10:17 AM Subject: Virus Hi Barbara, I'm on the Kingsclere list. This morning I received an e-mail supposedly from yourself titled ACCESSKEY containing a virus I-Worm/Klez.H I know that you wouldn't send anything like that on purpose. I believe that this is one on the viruses that use peoples address book to send infected messages to other people, you must have been in the infected computers address book. I thought that I should inform you so that that you could alert others on the list. Happy New Year, Ian Researching: DURHAM Kempsford Glos. 1800-1900 TRINDER Kempsford Glos. 1800-1900 HOCKLEY Kingsclere Hants pre 1915 PROUT Kingsclere Hants pre 1915 GFHS: 5339

Hello Peter The plans are readable, but if I print each image individually direct from the web site my system only prints around 50% of each image and enlarges it to fit an A4 sheet. The same happens if Barbara prints direct from the website using her computer. I can get over this by saving the 4 images and opening them in another program, so it is not really a problem. Regards Roger Lewis Basingstoke, Hampshire, UK MLFHS 12386 Calderdale FHS 2279 Clwyd FHS 2262 Wakefield & District FHS 688 RogerLewis@lewmal.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Goff" <peter.goff@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-KINGSCLERE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 2:47 PM Subject: Churchyard Memorials > I have placed scans of the plan of the churchyard on the Kingsclere web page. The plans are in .jpeg so that the print quality is good but the dowload time is a bit long. > Could SKS test the printability of these plans to see if they are readable. They work OK on my printer. > > You can access the page from http://www.kingsclere.org.uk/graves.html > > I have not included it on the contents page yet until I know it works. > > Peter Goff > Kingsclere, Hampshire, UK > www.kingsclere.org.uk > > All outgoing e-mails are scanned for viruses before despatch. > There are no attachments to this message > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > >

Hi Peter, Printed crystal clear and in good time. Keep up the good work. Kindest Regards Steve Prout Researching PROUT/PROUTE/SPROUT

Hello All, I have been given a very nice paper backed book, the title " The Burke's Peerage World Book of JANES", it is of no use to me, has anyone got JANES on their family tree or knows of anyone with the surname of JANES, they can have it for the price of the postage. Regards Barbara Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants, UK BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk

Hi Peter, They print out well as far as I can see. Looking forward to the names that go with them! Regards, Carol ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Goff" <peter.goff@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-KINGSCLERE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 2:47 PM Subject: Churchyard Memorials > I have placed scans of the plan of the churchyard on the Kingsclere web page. The plans are in .jpeg so that the print quality is good but the dowload time is a bit long. > Could SKS test the printability of these plans to see if they are readable. They work OK on my printer. > > You can access the page from http://www.kingsclere.org.uk/graves.html > > I have not included it on the contents page yet until I know it works. > > Peter Goff > Kingsclere, Hampshire, UK > www.kingsclere.org.uk > > All outgoing e-mails are scanned for viruses before despatch. > There are no attachments to this message > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

I have placed scans of the plan of the churchyard on the Kingsclere web page. The plans are in .jpeg so that the print quality is good but the dowload time is a bit long. Could SKS test the printability of these plans to see if they are readable. They work OK on my printer. You can access the page from http://www.kingsclere.org.uk/graves.html I have not included it on the contents page yet until I know it works. Peter Goff Kingsclere, Hampshire, UK www.kingsclere.org.uk All outgoing e-mails are scanned for viruses before despatch. There are no attachments to this message

Hello All, I am a new subscriber. Having just started to research my mother's family, I was please to find a great site devoted to Kingclere Genealogy, as this is where some of my great grandparents lived. It has provided a week of interesting reading that included the names of families that I believe were my ancestors. As my family left England over seventy five years ago not much history of the family in England has been retained What I do know is GRANDFATHERS SIDE Louisa Browning 1843/1891 Born Thatcham - Maiden name and husband unknown Three known Children Mark Russell Browning 2nd child of Louisa 1866/1949 - Born Shaftsbury - Wife Emily Elizabeth Pevace/Pierce/Pearce? Seven known children William Charles Browning 3rd child of Mark 1889/1967 - Born Thatcham - Wife May Oliver GRANDMOTHERS SIDE Daniel Hiscock 1835/? Born All Cannings -Wife Sarah Martin Eight known children Louisa Hiscock 1st child of Daniel 1859/? - Born Kingsclere Charles George Oliver 1854/? - Born Kingsclere - Family unknown - Wife Louisa Hiscock Two Known Children May Ellen Beatrice Oliver 2nd Child of Louisa 1898/1958 - Husband William Charles Browning >From the above list my interest at this stage are Browning Hiscock Oliver Pevace or Possibly Pearce Etc I would be grateful for any information regarding these families, or hearing from distant relatives, and hope that the data above retains it readable format in the sending of it. Vic Middleton Perth Western Australia kat3@iinet.net.au

Hello all, Happy New Year, I have a gt gt grandmother Hannah Goddard. Details from her marriage cert.:- Married 17 Aug. 1842 to Joseph Savery in Basingstoke. A minor, she was daughter of John Goddard. Joseph's father was James Savery. James Savery lived in Kingsclere and is there in 1851 with Hannah's daughter Ann. I think Joseph died early. But did Hannah also die or did she re marry? I love reading the postings, keep up the good work Valerie

On Sat, 4 Jan 2003 22:58:14 -0000 Barbara Mallyon wrote: > Hello All, > > I have had a letter from a researcher not on the Kingsclere > list, she is asking about a Matthew MILES born 1800 in > Kingsclere, possibly married to a Hannah WARD from Brightwell, > Berkshire > > Also mentioned is Charlotte MILES born 9 January 1838 > Kingsclere, can anyone help. > Many thanks. Hello I had this family from Jenny Beaumont Matthew Miles, born possibly in 1805, died possibly in 1851, Kingsclere (age at death: possibly 46 years old). Married to Hannah ?, with William, born possibly in 1826, Brightwell, Berks. John, born possibly in 1828, Brightwell, Berks. Elizabeth, born about April 1831, Kingsclere, baptized on 10 April 1831, Kingsclere. Charlotte, born on 9 January 1838, baptized on 4 February 1838, Kingsclere. Tomorrow I will have a look in the baptism register to see if I can find any more on Matthew --- John Lewis <jayellatntlworlddotcom> from Bournemouth, Dorset, UK. using Debian GNU/Linux and GeneWeb genealogy software Main Family Names in HAM are: Kingsclere: BUTLER, COOPER, FISHER, FOSTER, GIRDLER, HAWKINS, SMITH Hazeley Heath: BARKER, CHANDLER, LEWINGTON, NEVILL(E) Main Family Names in GLA are: GRIFFITH, HOPKINS, JENKINS, LEWIS. MORGAN, PHILLIPS and CMN: HOPKINS, DAVIES

Hello All, I have had a letter from a researcher not on the Kingsclere list, she is asking about a Matthew MILES born 1800 in Kingsclere, possibly married to a Hannah WARD from Brightwell, Berkshire Also mentioned is Charlotte MILES born 9 January 1838 Kingsclere, can anyone help. Many thanks. Regards Barbara Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants, UK BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk

Hello Everybody and a Happy and Prosperous New Year, In 1965 the Memorials were removed from the churchyard and as visitors can see, nowadays are used as a border to the path round the church holding the bank up, others have vanished. Before this happened a record was made of the graves and the inscriptions by Susan and Elizabeth Burman. I have a copy of this document and in the next few days will be putting a plan of the churchyard with the grave sites numbered on the Kingsclere web site. The record is in numerical order so I will have to transcribe it into alphabetical order for it to be easy to use. In the mean time if you have any requests I will try and answer them, but please bare with me, I have to work funny hours. Regards to you all Peter Goff Kingsclere, Hampshire, UK www.kingsclere.org.uk All outgoing e-mails are scanned for viruses before despatch. There are no attachments to this message

Hello All new subscribers, Peter Goff has got a wonderful website that will tell you all about Kingsclere etc. www.kingsclere.org.uk This website has also got many names of the subscribers that are researching on this list, and the surnames of the ancestors that they are researching. Peter has picked up the names being researched, from when the researchers have listed them, so it is well worth you, telling us whom you are researching. Kingsclere has been going about 15 months now, it is a very friendly list, we all help each other. It is a case of, if you do not ask, you will not get an answer. Please do not sit there with a brickwall, let us all help you to break it down, between us all we have lots of information that will do this. Have a look at Colin Harris website for some of the Kingsclere and Woodlands Burials http://www.colin.harris4.btinternet.co.uk/kingsclereburials.htm John Lewis one of our researchers is collecting family trees, he is making a gigantic Kingsclere family tree puzzle, this is his email address jayell@tntlworld.com John is from Bournemouth, Dorset, UK. Don't forget if you need any help please ask. I hope it will be a happy NEW YEAR for you all. Best wishes Barbara Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants, UK BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk

Found in Berkshire in the 1851 Census RALPH Joseph age 17 unmarried Ag Lab at North Farm. Census for Kinton WIGGENS George age 27 unmarried Ag Lab at Denford Farm, Census Kintbury FISHER James married age 34 Ag Lab at Clapton Census for Kintbury HAINES age 3 years at Clapton Census for Kintbury CHURCH Sarah married age 27 at Elcot Cottage Census Kintbury HEDGES Charlotte married age 47 at Wawcott Cottages Census Kintbury JEWELL James married age 66 Brickmaker Census Kintbury PEARSON Emma married age 26 Dressmaker Census Kintbury SMITH Charles married age 27 Ag Lab Census Kintbury GATER Charles age 10 years Ag Lab Census Kintbury (born East Woodhay) GATER Karenhappuch age 8 years schoolar Census Kintbury (born East Woodhay) TURTON William Widow age 86 Pauper Census Kintbury (born Ashmanworth) GATER Charlotte Widow age 63 Pauper Census Kintbury (born Ashmansworth) HOWELL Sarah Married age 60 Housekeeper Census Kintbury (born Wolverton) GODDARD Charles unmarried Shoemaker Census Kintbury GODDARD John age 14 Census Kintbury GODDARD Clara age 8 years schoolar Census Kintbury GODDARD Kate age 6 years schoolar Census Kintbury WHALE Sarah age 21 Kitchen Maid Census Kintbury BIRD Elizabeth age 68 Pauper Census Kintbury (born Ashmansworth) RALPH Charles age 20 unmarried Journeyman Shoemaker Census Kintbury BRAZIER Mary married age 21 Census Kintbury EVANS Emma age 7 years Census Kintbury CLARK Matilda unmarried Farmers daughter Census Kinbury (born Highclere) WHALE Henry married age 31 Farm Labourer, Cottage Fied Barn Census West Woodhay, Berks. (born East Woodhay Hants) BRIDGMAN Walter age 4 years Census Inkpen, Berks. (born Ecchinswell) GREEN Joseph age 4 years Census Inkpen SMITH David married age 52 Maltster master Census Inkpen (Ashmansworth) HATTON Charles married age 42 Blacksmith employing one boy Census Inkpen (born Ashmansworth) GODDING Eliza married age 31 Census Inkpen (born Ashmansworth) There were more people born in East Woodhay that I have not listed. Please contact me if you are interested in any of the people listed for the rest of their family that were born else where. Regards Barbara Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants, UK BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk