The 1851 census index for Heckfield (HGS Volume 34) gives the following entries for BOSHIER/BOSHER. HO 107/1680 Folio 349 BOSHIER Thomas 33 - b Mattingley Anna 25 - b Essex, St Osyth Anna 6 - b Mattingley Sarah 4 - b Mattingley Lucy 2 - b Mattingley Mary 3m - b Mattingley HO 107/1680 Folio 350 BOSHIER George 34 - b Hartley Wespall Harriet 31 - b Heckfield James 4 - b Heckfield Rebecca 1 - b Heckfield Rebecca 83 - b Norfolk, Hockering HO 107/1680 Folio 369 BOSHIER Lucy 23 - b Heckfield HO 107/1680 Folio 372 BOSHER James 31 - b Rotherwick Charlotte 20 - b Hazeley Thesee provide an indication of where to look for baptism and marriage entries. Hampshire Record Office will sell you photocopies of the census pages. Alan McGowan Aldershot, Hampshire Hampshire Family History Site http://website.lineone.net/~hantshistory ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Mallyon" <BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-KINGSCLERE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 8:21 AM Subject: Fw: Harriet Miles ( my gg grandmother) Can anyone please help. ----- Original Message ----- From: <pbalcerzak@wzrd.com> To: <BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk> Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 3:39 AM Subject: Harriet Miles ( my gg grandmother) | Hello Barbara, | I received the marriage cert. of Harriet Miles and George Boshier. | They were married May 22 1845 in Heckfield, Hampshire. The father's names | were on the marriage cert. but the mothers names were not listed. | Father of Harriet Miles was William Miles. | Father of George Boshier was George Boshier. | In the presence of Thomas and John Boshier | Harriet Rogers, Mary Ann May and Elizabeth Blackstone. | Now What? | I thought that the mothers names would have been listed. | Now what can I do to further my research on the mother's names?? | Patricia (Pat) USA | pbalcerzak@wzrd.com |

Can anyone please help. ----- Original Message ----- From: <pbalcerzak@wzrd.com> To: <BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk> Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 3:39 AM Subject: Harriet Miles ( my gg grandmother) | Hello Barbara, | I received the marriage cert. of Harriet Miles and George Boshier. | They were married May 22 1845 in Heckfield, Hampshire. The father's names | were on the marriage cert. but the mothers names were not listed. | Father of Harriet Miles was William Miles. | Father of George Boshier was George Boshier. | In the presence of Thomas and John Boshier | Harriet Rogers, Mary Ann May and Elizabeth Blackstone. | Now What? | I thought that the mothers names would have been listed. | Now what can I do to further my research on the mother's names?? | Patricia (Pat) USA | pbalcerzak@wzrd.com |

Looking at it another way could the register entry be incorrect, in that Lydia is a mis-spelt version of Letitia, not as far fetched as it sounds if the entry was written up sometime later possibly from memory or a scribbled note on a scrap of paper and who was there to see it to say it was wrong. Also if you think about it and try pronouncing the names with the emphasis on the wrong syllables the names can sound very similar. Regards Colin On Tuesday, February 04, 2003 11:13 PM, carol dolton wrote: > Hi John > I have Letty Miles, parents William and Mary dying in > 12th Feb 1789, after she was born on the 1st. > >From the Kingsclere BT's. > So I think you are right in concluding that the Letty who married Clement > Hawkins was a different person. > Regards, > Carol > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Lewis" <jayell@ntlworld.com> > To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-KINGSCLERE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 10:00 PM > Subject: MILES/HAWKINS > > > > I have been corresponding with Jenny Beamont and she has > > mentioned the marriage of Clement Hawkins and Letty Miles and the > > assumption that Letty was a daughter of William Miles and Mary > > Withers. I have replied to her as follows (I am copying it to the > > list as this has cropped up several times):- > > > > > > Letty born ca Jan 1789. I also had her married to Clement Hawkins > > but as result of correspondence with Phil Hawkins who has done > > extensive research into the Hawkins family I came to the > > conclusion this is an error. In 1851 Clement is age 51 and > > Lettisha 45 which gives an aprrox dob of 1806 for Letty. A > > Letitia Hawkins was buried at St. Paul, Woodlands on 9 Mar 1881, > > abode given as Ashford Hill age 76. > > > > Clement is recorded as a widower age 81 at Ashford Hill in the > > 1881 census so I am confident this is his wife. Dob calculated > > from her age at burial is ca 1805 which is close to that > > calculated from age in 1851. This is 16/17 years later than the > > birth date of the Letty born to William & Mary and I think the > > discrepancy is too much for them to be the same person. The > > burial entry for Letitia Miles in 1789 doesn't give any clues to > > parentage as the 'abode' is unreadable on the fiche. > > > > The only clue as to who Clement's wife might be comes from their > > marriage entry where one of the witnesses' names looks like > > Stephen Miles. The only Stephen I have is one born to Benjamin > > and Mary (Bird). Stephen and Mary had 4 children in Ashford Hill > > including a Lydia bapt. 10 July 1805. So did Lydia, for some > > reason, become known as Letitia/Letty. > > > > There are no Letitia Miles born around this time but If memory > > serves me correctly there was a Letitia baseborn to Elizabeth > > Chapman but I cannot find any marriage of Elizabeth Chapman which > > could account for this Letitia ending up with surname Miles. > > > > > > -- > > John Lewis <jayellatntlworlddotcom> from Bournemouth, Dorset, UK. > > using Debian GNU/Linux and GeneWeb genealogy software > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > ______________________________ > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/2003

Another of the places I cannot locate from personal knowledge is RABBIT WARREN. This is where William & Mary (Withers) MILES are said to have died in the 1840s -- John Lewis <jayellatntlworlddotcom> from Bournemouth, Dorset, UK. using Debian GNU/Linux and GeneWeb genealogy software

I put Coomb Hole into Google and this came up......... [The Phonosemantics of Nasal-Stop Clusters Ralph Emerson I began to look for 'concavity' words in English. Two types emerged. The first is a fairly prosaic group comprising three semantic subsets. The key words are concave, chamber, empty, and container. 'Container' is also the first subset: decanter, tumbler 'drinking glass', bumper 'glass filled to the brim for making a toast', lantern, hamper, trunk, tank, sink, and hangar. The second subset is 'small holes or indentations': dent, ding, rent, wound, chink, bunghole. The third is 'holes in the ground': sinkhole, pond, sump, trench, bunker, tomb, catacomb. The pound of impound and dog pound originally meant 'a pit for holding livestock'. The word coomb fits two of the preceding classes, for it can mean both 'container' ('a capacity measure of four bushels') and 'hole in the ground' ('valley').] It would be interesting to find out which 'valley container' they meant near Kingsclere. There being so many! Sorry I can't find anything else which fits. Perhaps somebody else can. Regards, Carol ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Lewis" <jayell@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-KINGSCLERE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 10:32 PM Subject: Coomb Hole (Kingsclere ?) > Just a quick query!! > > Whilst checking on Miles baptisms I found a couple of entries > where abode of parents is given as COOMB HOLE, does anyone know > where this might be. > > -- > John Lewis <jayellatntlworlddotcom> from Bournemouth, Dorset, UK. > using Debian GNU/Linux and GeneWeb genealogy software > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi John I have Letty Miles, parents William and Mary dying in 12th Feb 1789, after she was born on the 1st. From the Kingsclere BT's. So I think you are right in concluding that the Letty who married Clement Hawkins was a different person. Regards, Carol ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Lewis" <jayell@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-KINGSCLERE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 10:00 PM Subject: MILES/HAWKINS > I have been corresponding with Jenny Beamont and she has > mentioned the marriage of Clement Hawkins and Letty Miles and the > assumption that Letty was a daughter of William Miles and Mary > Withers. I have replied to her as follows (I am copying it to the > list as this has cropped up several times):- > > > Letty born ca Jan 1789. I also had her married to Clement Hawkins > but as result of correspondence with Phil Hawkins who has done > extensive research into the Hawkins family I came to the > conclusion this is an error. In 1851 Clement is age 51 and > Lettisha 45 which gives an aprrox dob of 1806 for Letty. A > Letitia Hawkins was buried at St. Paul, Woodlands on 9 Mar 1881, > abode given as Ashford Hill age 76. > > Clement is recorded as a widower age 81 at Ashford Hill in the > 1881 census so I am confident this is his wife. Dob calculated > from her age at burial is ca 1805 which is close to that > calculated from age in 1851. This is 16/17 years later than the > birth date of the Letty born to William & Mary and I think the > discrepancy is too much for them to be the same person. The > burial entry for Letitia Miles in 1789 doesn't give any clues to > parentage as the 'abode' is unreadable on the fiche. > > The only clue as to who Clement's wife might be comes from their > marriage entry where one of the witnesses' names looks like > Stephen Miles. The only Stephen I have is one born to Benjamin > and Mary (Bird). Stephen and Mary had 4 children in Ashford Hill > including a Lydia bapt. 10 July 1805. So did Lydia, for some > reason, become known as Letitia/Letty. > > There are no Letitia Miles born around this time but If memory > serves me correctly there was a Letitia baseborn to Elizabeth > Chapman but I cannot find any marriage of Elizabeth Chapman which > could account for this Letitia ending up with surname Miles. > > > -- > John Lewis <jayellatntlworlddotcom> from Bournemouth, Dorset, UK. > using Debian GNU/Linux and GeneWeb genealogy software > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Just a quick query!! Whilst checking on Miles baptisms I found a couple of entries where abode of parents is given as COOMB HOLE, does anyone know where this might be. -- John Lewis <jayellatntlworlddotcom> from Bournemouth, Dorset, UK. using Debian GNU/Linux and GeneWeb genealogy software

I have been corresponding with Jenny Beamont and she has mentioned the marriage of Clement Hawkins and Letty Miles and the assumption that Letty was a daughter of William Miles and Mary Withers. I have replied to her as follows (I am copying it to the list as this has cropped up several times):- Letty born ca Jan 1789. I also had her married to Clement Hawkins but as result of correspondence with Phil Hawkins who has done extensive research into the Hawkins family I came to the conclusion this is an error. In 1851 Clement is age 51 and Lettisha 45 which gives an aprrox dob of 1806 for Letty. A Letitia Hawkins was buried at St. Paul, Woodlands on 9 Mar 1881, abode given as Ashford Hill age 76. Clement is recorded as a widower age 81 at Ashford Hill in the 1881 census so I am confident this is his wife. Dob calculated from her age at burial is ca 1805 which is close to that calculated from age in 1851. This is 16/17 years later than the birth date of the Letty born to William & Mary and I think the discrepancy is too much for them to be the same person. The burial entry for Letitia Miles in 1789 doesn't give any clues to parentage as the 'abode' is unreadable on the fiche. The only clue as to who Clement's wife might be comes from their marriage entry where one of the witnesses' names looks like Stephen Miles. The only Stephen I have is one born to Benjamin and Mary (Bird). Stephen and Mary had 4 children in Ashford Hill including a Lydia bapt. 10 July 1805. So did Lydia, for some reason, become known as Letitia/Letty. There are no Letitia Miles born around this time but If memory serves me correctly there was a Letitia baseborn to Elizabeth Chapman but I cannot find any marriage of Elizabeth Chapman which could account for this Letitia ending up with surname Miles. -- John Lewis <jayellatntlworlddotcom> from Bournemouth, Dorset, UK. using Debian GNU/Linux and GeneWeb genealogy software

Hello All, Royal Visits to the town of Basingstoke or neighbouring villages. 1509 Catherine of Aragon slept in the house of Mr Kingsmill, leaving the next day for Dogmersfield, where she met King Henry V111 to whom she was betrothed. Burgess Road in the Borough of Basingstoke was named after a one time Mayor John Burgess Soper, Soper Grove named after John Burgess Soper Regards Barbara Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants, UK BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk

On Mon, 3 Feb 2003 15:03:27 -0000 Charlie and Monina wrote: > Can anyone help me with a marriage date please for the couple > listed below, > > MILDRED MARY KATE ALDRIDGE of KINGSCLERE married a JAMES > HANCOCKS maybe from Kingsclere but cannot confirm that, they > were married between 1900-1920. Many thanks, CHARLIE Sorry but can see no trace of the marriage in Kingsclere St. Mary or Kingsclere Woodlands. Have you tried the GRO index or even FreeBMD? -- John Lewis <jayellatntlworlddotcom> from Bournemouth, Dorset, UK. using Debian GNU/Linux and GeneWeb genealogy software Main Family Names in HAM are: Kingsclere: BUTLER, COOPER, FISHER, FOSTER, GIRDLER, HAWKINS, SMITH Hazeley Heath: BARKER, CHANDLER, LEWINGTON, NEVILL(E) Main Family Names in GLA are: GRIFFITH, HOPKINS, JENKINS, LEWIS. MORGAN, PHILLIPS and CMN: HOPKINS, DAVIES

Hello all, Can anyone help me with a marriage date please for the couple listed below, MILDRED MARY KATE ALDRIDGE of KINGSCLERE married a JAMES HANCOCKS maybe from Kingsclere but cannot confirm that, they were married between 1900-1920. Many thanks, CHARLIE

Hi Peter, By now you should have had a reply from a friend of mine Derek Ward, an authority on Tadley. This is part of Derek's reply. The last we (Tadley and District History Society) heard of it was that it was probably retained by an ex-council secretary way back. The said councillor died many years ago and his daughter now or did live in Denmark. We wrote to an old address for her (again hoping she still had it!!!???!!!) but letter was returned "not known". Regards Barbara Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants, UK BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Hedges" <peterhedges@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-KINGSCLERE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 11:25 AM Subject: Kingsclere | Hi to all i have just joined the group and thought i would give out my | interests. | Names are:Fruin,Frewin,Harmsworth,Hedges,Girdler,orchard,Gritt,Evans,Cook | Places:Tadley,Baughurst,Kingsclere,Ellisfield,Weston Patrick, | I am also enclosing a bit of a mystery about a lost piece of info that could | be usfull to a lot of people | Do anyone now were the lost Tadley Roll is now?? | | DO YOU LIVE IN :- TADLEY | Tadley, a scattered parish on the west of Pamber Forest, has a remarkable | relic, the Tadley Roll. | The Roll consists of a roll of paper 3in high and contains caricatures of | every man, woman and child | who was in Tadley during the years 1872 - 1876. The drawings, consisting of | about 600 figures, is | primitive, but full of life and portrats are recognisable. All the old | village crafts and trades are shown, | including a party of Royal Engineers who carried out an Ordnance Survey, | poachers, gypsies and the | various families. | Tadley is one of the few places where gypsies have given up their caravans | and become owners of | property on any considerable scale, for in 1870 most of the cottages in the | village were owned by gypsies, | led by the Hicks, under Reuben Hicks. | The Church of St Peter with its brick tower and the south entrance dating | between 1650 and 1689, has | a very ancient bell, Flemish. An interesting brass inscription on the wall | of the church in 1676 | informs us that Thomas Sympsonm who died in 1676, left £15 a year to be | divided among the poor | of six parishes "so long as the world shall endure". A little way from the | church is Tadley Place, which is believed to have been one of King John's | hunting lodges. | The brooms, made from twigs of the birch, which are used in dealing with | heath fires were made at | Tadley. | | | | Hampshire Magazine | Tadley May 1974 | T | | | ============================== | To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: | http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 |

Hello SOPER researchers, Does this mean anything to you. Just wondered if anyone would have the means of establishing the address of my grandparents Leonard and Hilda SOPER for the brief period they lived in Bognor Regis about 1960 to 1962. Bob Dean rjmdean@yahoo.co.uk

Hello All, You may find this website useful, the following have been added:- SOUTHERN LIFE(UK) website at............ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~villages NEW PAGES Crux Easton - complete revamp with extra history of the village, church and school NEW PHOTOS Highclere, Crux Easton, The following has now been added to the SOUTHERN LIFE(UK) website at............ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~villages NEW PAGES Crux Easton - complete revamp with extra history of the village, church and school NEW PHOTOS Highclere, Crux Easton, Regards Barbara Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants, UK BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk

Hello all I am trying to make sense of the various families of the above in the Kingsclere area, as the spelling of the surname is somewhat erratic its no easy task :-( I am particularly interested in the following: William HITCHCOCK who married Charlotte SMITH 19 Oct 1840, their children seem to appear in the 1851 census index for Kingsclere under HEDGECOCK but no sign of the parents. Ambrose HITCHCOCK (b 1819) who married Hannah HAWKINS 1 Oct 1842, the census index indicates he is from Tadley and Hannah seems to have disappeared by 1851 leaving Ambrose with at least one child Elmer (b.1843) other children appear to be his but I have been unable to confirm this yet. Again the name appears as HEDGECOCK. Charles HEDGECOCK (b 1810/2 Tadley) and his wife Jane APPLEFORD (b 1814 Ramsbury, Wilts) who appear in the 1851 census index in Kingsclere together with their children. All the enties for these two families appear in HO 107/1684 pages 239-240, so I suspect that William, Ambrose and Charles may all be brothers, if anyone can add anything to the above I would be most grateful. TIA Colin Harris --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/2003

Hi to all i have just joined the group and thought i would give out my interests. Names are:Fruin,Frewin,Harmsworth,Hedges,Girdler,orchard,Gritt,Evans,Cook Places:Tadley,Baughurst,Kingsclere,Ellisfield,Weston Patrick, I am also enclosing a bit of a mystery about a lost piece of info that could be usfull to a lot of people Do anyone now were the lost Tadley Roll is now?? DO YOU LIVE IN :- TADLEY Tadley, a scattered parish on the west of Pamber Forest, has a remarkable relic, the Tadley Roll. The Roll consists of a roll of paper 3in high and contains caricatures of every man, woman and child who was in Tadley during the years 1872 – 1876. The drawings, consisting of about 600 figures, is primitive, but full of life and portrats are recognisable. All the old village crafts and trades are shown, including a party of Royal Engineers who carried out an Ordnance Survey, poachers, gypsies and the various families. Tadley is one of the few places where gypsies have given up their caravans and become owners of property on any considerable scale, for in 1870 most of the cottages in the village were owned by gypsies, led by the Hicks, under Reuben Hicks. The Church of St Peter with its brick tower and the south entrance dating between 1650 and 1689, has a very ancient bell, Flemish. An interesting brass inscription on the wall of the church in 1676 informs us that Thomas Sympsonm who died in 1676, left £15 a year to be divided among the poor of six parishes "so long as the world shall endure". A little way from the church is Tadley Place, which is believed to have been one of King John’s hunting lodges. The brooms, made from twigs of the birch, which are used in dealing with heath fires were made at Tadley. Hampshire Magazine Tadley May 1974 T

On Sat, 1 Feb 2003 12:19:46 -0000 Alan McGowan wrote: > Which syllable is stressed in Sydmonton? > Is it SYD-mon-ton or Syd-MON-ton? thinking about this I should have written SIMmuntun, pronounced as one syllable --- John Lewis <jayellatntlworlddotcom> from Bournemouth, Dorset, UK. using Debian GNU/Linux and GeneWeb genealogy software

On Sat, 1 Feb 2003 12:19:46 -0000 Alan McGowan wrote: > How is Ecchinswell pronounced? > Is it ETCH-ins-well or ECK-ins-well? We have always pronounced it Etch following my Mother's example, she lived there as a girl so assume she was correct > Which syllable is stressed in Sydmonton? > Is it SYD-mon-ton or Syd-MON-ton? Again I pronounce it as my Mother did with emphasis on Sid (I use spelling Sidmonton also, but don't know what modern preference is) --- John Lewis <jayellatntlworlddotcom> from Bournemouth, Dorset, UK. using Debian GNU/Linux and GeneWeb genealogy software

How is Ecchinswell pronounced? Is it ETCH-ins-well or ECK-ins-well? Which syllable is stressed in Sydmonton? Is it SYD-mon-ton or Syd-MON-ton? Alan McGowan

Hello John, I am in touch with Jenny and have passed this message on to her. I did invite Jenny to join Kingsclere, but at the time she was researching her family tree else where, either the list, you or I should have a reply from her. Regards Barbara Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants, UK BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk . ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Lewis" <jayell@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-KINGSCLERE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 12:34 PM Subject: MILES | This is really for Jenny Beaumont but I don't seem to have her | email address but also for any Miles researcher. Jenny is | interested in Charlotte Miles whose parents were Mathew and | Hannah. | | I have found the family at Midgham in 1851 with more children | than I previously had listed. | | Mathew MILES, HD, M, 50 ag lab, born Kingsclere | Hannah, WI, M, 44, b. Brightwell, Berks | Charlotte, dau, 13, scholar, b. Kingsclere | Henry, son, 11, ag lab, b. Hamstead Norris, Berks | Hane, dau, 9, scholar, b. H. N, as above | Thomas, son, 4, scholar, b. H. N. | unnamed male son, 1m, b. Midgham | | Hamstead Norris is presumably Hampstead Norreys, to the NE of | Newbury | | --- | John Lewis <jayellatntlworlddotcom> from Bournemouth, Dorset, UK. | using Debian GNU/Linux and GeneWeb genealogy software | | | ============================== | To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: | http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 |