As written in the Kingsclere Parish Register for 1814 part 2 TRUELOCK Sarah Pithers of Ashford Hill age 6 months 29 July SMITH Sarah of Strottons age 30 years 17 August ROLFE Mary of the Dell age 53 years 19 August ALLEN Ann of Town age 77years 15 September WEBB John of Itchenswell age 41 years 22 September BOYER William of Newbury age 36 years 3 October RUMBOLD Mary of Itchenswell age 70 years ? 3 November ROLFE David of the Dell age 32 years 23 November PIERCE Charles of Plaster Green age 3 years 27 November LAMB Ann of the Dell age 67 years 6 December SEWARD John of Hold up hill age 73 years 26 December BRIANT Sarah of Hold up hill age 63 years 30 December Regards Barbara Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants, UK BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk

Kingsclere Burials as taken from the Parish Register for 1814 RUMBOLD William of Itchenswell age 5 months 8 January VINCE Charlotte of Somershurst age 2 years 14 January MUNDAY John of Knouldhill age 2 years 16 January VINCE Hannah of Somershurst age 12 years 17 January CARLEY William of Nutkins age 22 years 19 January TYLER John of Brazen Head age 84 years 25 January DORE Jonathan of Sidmonton age 80 years 8 February DANCE Hannah of Spradbury age 1 year 17 February STOCKER Jane of Itchenswell age 17 years 10 March DRAKE John of Town age 53 years 25 March BENWELL Thomas of Ayliffe age 82 years 25 March WYAT John of Town age 77 years 31 March MARTIN James of the Dell age 65 years 1 April PRATER James of Itchenswell age 7 months 13 April MAY Mary of Town age 60 years 24 April RABBITS Sarah of Town age 60 years 30 April MARES Theodosia of Common age 92 years 1 May PARSONS Olive of North Sidmonton age 2and a half years 2 May KEEP Sarah of Town age 16 years 3 May SEWURD Mary of Marsh age 32 years 10 May HEAD George of Town age 15 years 20 May WALDEN John of Town age 67 years 26 May BROOKER James of Town age 6 weeks 20 May VERNEY Mary of the Dell age 11 years 1 June MOORE of Town age 40 years 15 June CANNON Richard of Marsh age 75 years 30 June Regards Barbara Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants, UK BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk

Hello All, I thought this information may interest you. 1st July 1837: General Registration commences in England and Wales. All births, marriages and deaths to be registered with the civil Registrars and returns submitted to the Registrar General. Penalties from 1875. Commission appointed to call in all non-parochial registers. 1840 Non-parochial Registers Act: surrendered registers of non-conformists deposited in the General Register Office. Regards Barbara Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants, UK BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk

On Thu, 20 Mar 2003 21:10:18 -0000 Barbara Mallyon wrote: > Hello John, > Would you have the answer to this message, being that ROLFE is > on your family tree. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Helen Anderson" <helenanderson.home@btopenworld.com> > | Could you look to see if you have a marriage/death for the > | two sisters below: > | > | Sarah Bear ROLFE b. 1820 > | Mary Spurrett ROLFE b. 1823 > | Both are the daughter of Joseph ROLFE and Bethany SPURRETT. I don't know what you have on this family so I'll include all I have so far. Descendants of William Rolfe To the grandchildren. William Rolfe. Married on 27 August 1789, St. Mary, Kingsclere, to Elizabeth Rozier, with Elizabeth, born about September 1790, Kingsclere, baptized on 12 September 1790, St. Mary, Kingsclere. Samuel, born about October 1791, Kingsclere, baptized on 23 October 1791, St. Mary, Kingsclere. Joseph, born about April 1794, Kingsclere, baptized on 4 May 1794, St. Mary, Kingsclere, Shoemaker/Cordwainer. Married on 12 July 1819, St. Mary, Kingsclere, to Bethany Spurrett, born about April 1795, Kingsclere, baptized on 26 April 1795, St. Mary, Kingsclere, with Sarah Bear, born about April 1820, Headley Common, baptized on 19 April 1820, St. Mary, Kingsclere. Mary Spurrett, born on 18 October 1822, nr. Tan House, baptized on 19 January 1823, St. Mary, Kingsclere. George, born on 23 December 1824, nr. Tan House, baptized on 7 September 1825, St. Mary, Kingsclere. Married on 31 October 1846, St. Paul, Woodlands, to Hannah Aldridge, born about 1825, Woodlands. Charles, born on 21 February 1827, nr. Tan House, baptized on 4 September 1827, St. Mary, Kingsclere. Joseph, born about 1830. Married on 21 November 1853, St. Paul, Woodlands, to Charlotte Aldridge, born about February 1830, Kingsclere, baptized on 2 February 1830, St. Mary, Kingsclere. William, born about June 1796, Kingsclere, baptized on 30 June 1796, St. Mary, Kingsclere, died in April 1818, Ecchinswell, buried on 1 May 1818, St. Mary, Kingsclere (age at death: possibly 21 years old). Sarah, born about October 1798, Kingsclere, baptized on 21 October 1798, St. Mary, Kingsclere. I cannot find the baptism for Joseph, his dob is based on stated age at marriage and I have put him in Joseph & Bethany's family as he stated father to be Joseph Rolfe, shoemaker and Hannah Aldridge was one of the witnesses at the wedding. (Hannah and Charlotte Aldridge are not sisters, I'm not sure if they are directly related at present.) Now back to the point of the original question. Mary was still in Woodlands in 1846 as she was a witness at wedding of George and Hannah, _but_ none of the family are listed in Kingsclere (or surrounding Hants parishes)in the 1851 census index. I have also checked to see if they had moved across the border into Berks but could not see them in the census data I have. So it look as tho' the whole family moved away between 1846 and 1851. The only thing I haven't checked so far are burials. Is there any reason why you think there may have been marriages of the two girls in Kingsclere? -- John Lewis <jayellatntlworlddotcom> from Bournemouth, Dorset, UK. using Debian GNU/Linux and GeneWeb genealogy software

>So many children over such a short period - no doubt some epidemic - >does anyone know? Roz Cawley roz@autumncottage.co.uk Autumn Cottage Diary http://www.autumncottage.co.uk Hello Roz, This is not unusual, there is a lot of deaths of babies and young children, they did not have the medicines to fight off infections that we have to day. Regards Barbara Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants, UK BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk

In message <00e101c2ef39$4519faa0$b32d3c3e@barbara>, Barbara Mallyon <BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk> writes >Hello All, > >Part 2 of Kingsclere Burials for 1813 as taken from the Parish Register > >SMITH Sarah of Fair Oake age 50 years 20 July 1813 >BOSLEY Thomas of Somershurst age 3 years 25 July 1813 >MORE Mary of Ashford Hill age 33 years 29 July 1813 >GURDLER James of Common age 13 years 29 July 1813 >HUGHES Hannah of, by the Harrow Public House age 6 months 3 August 1813 >GORE William of Rabbit Warren age 2 years 17 August 1813 >WEBB Mary of Town age 64 years 24 August 1813 >HUSE Mary of Town age 26 years 26 August 1813 >WINTERBOURN Sarah of Town age 2 years 6 September 1813 >DOLTON Jane of Ashford Hill age 27? years 3 October 1813 >HOWARD William of Town age 5 weeks 6 October 1813 >RUMBOLD Ann of Itchenswell age 3 months 20 October 1813 >RUDDLE Mary of Town age 2 years 24 October 1813 >SEWARD Frances of Harrow Public House age 53 years 4 November 1813 >SMITH Mary of Wolverton Common age 12 years 24 November 1813 >COVENRTY Aaron of Itchenswell age 2 years 20 November 1813 >ANDREWS Joseph of Ashford Hill age 56 years 5 December 1813 >RUDDLE Mary age 61 years of Harrow dans? age 61 years 10 December 1813 >PIERCE Charlotte of Itchenswell age 19 years 10 December 1813 >PURVES Alexander Home of Sidmonton House age 6 weeks 10 December 1813 >CAMANS Elizabeth of Stall Farm age 3 years 11 December 1813 >VINCE Abraham of Itchenswell age 60 years 19 December 1813 >BROOCKER Hannah of Common age 36 years 31 December 1813 > >Regards So many children over such a short period - no doubt some epidemic - does anyone know? -- Roz Cawley roz@autumncottage.co.uk Autumn Cottage Diary http://www.autumncottage.co.uk

Kingsclere Burials as taken from the Parish Register. 1813 Part 1 ARLOT William of Hawkers Hill age 56 years 7 January 1813 BAILEY Sarah of Town age 43 years 19 January 1813 FISHER Dianah of Headley Common age 67 years 1 February 1813 ISARD Mary of Sidmonton Warren age 43 years 2 February 1813 HEAD John of Town age 31 years 3 February 1813 PULLINGER Charlotte of Itchenswell age 45 years 28 March 1813 CARVTER ? Peter of Itchenswell age 45 years 28 March 1813 WOULDRIGE William of Town age 85 years 7 April 1813 HOCKLEY Elizabeth of Town age 11 years 14 April 1813 TAYLOR Deborah of Town age 6 years 25 April 1813 GURDLER Elizabeth of Aldermaston age 91 years 29 April 1813 BROWN Mary of Plaster Green age 65 years 2 May 1813 NOLTON David of Itchenswell age 67 years 2 May 1813 TYLER David of Brazen Head age 30 years 5 May 1813 TAYLOR Maria of Town age 8 months 7 May 1813 BROOKER Edward of Common age 49 years 9 May 1813 PIKE Mary of Itchenswell age 63 years 12 May 1813 BARNES Sarah of Town age 96 years 5 June 1813 WEBB John of Itchenswell age 75 years 8 June 1813 HOBBS Jane of Town age 83 years 13 June 1813 Regards Barbara Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants, UK BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk

Hello All, Part 2 of Kingsclere Burials for 1813 as taken from the Parish Register SMITH Sarah of Fair Oake age 50 years 20 July 1813 BOSLEY Thomas of Somershurst age 3 years 25 July 1813 MORE Mary of Ashford Hill age 33 years 29 July 1813 GURDLER James of Common age 13 years 29 July 1813 HUGHES Hannah of, by the Harrow Public House age 6 months 3 August 1813 GORE William of Rabbit Warren age 2 years 17 August 1813 WEBB Mary of Town age 64 years 24 August 1813 HUSE Mary of Town age 26 years 26 August 1813 WINTERBOURN Sarah of Town age 2 years 6 September 1813 DOLTON Jane of Ashford Hill age 27? years 3 October 1813 HOWARD William of Town age 5 weeks 6 October 1813 RUMBOLD Ann of Itchenswell age 3 months 20 October 1813 RUDDLE Mary of Town age 2 years 24 October 1813 SEWARD Frances of Harrow Public House age 53 years 4 November 1813 SMITH Mary of Wolverton Common age 12 years 24 November 1813 COVENRTY Aaron of Itchenswell age 2 years 20 November 1813 ANDREWS Joseph of Ashford Hill age 56 years 5 December 1813 RUDDLE Mary age 61 years of Harrow dans? age 61 years 10 December 1813 PIERCE Charlotte of Itchenswell age 19 years 10 December 1813 PURVES Alexander Home of Sidmonton House age 6 weeks 10 December 1813 CAMANS Elizabeth of Stall Farm age 3 years 11 December 1813 VINCE Abraham of Itchenswell age 60 years 19 December 1813 BROOCKER Hannah of Common age 36 years 31 December 1813 Regards Barbara Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants, UK BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk

On Thu, 20 Mar 2003 21:10:18 -0000 Barbara Mallyon wrote: > Hello John, > Would you have the answer to this message, being that ROLFE is > on your family tree. > | Hi Barbara, > | Could you look to see if you have a marriage/death for the > | two sisters > | Sarah Bear ROLFE b. 1820 > | Mary Spurrett ROLFE b. 1823 > | > | Both are the daughter of Joseph ROLFE and Bethany SPURRETT. Hello Barbara and Helen I had Joseph & Bethany married July 1819 but no children, so this is new territory for me. I have many Rolfes in my database but in many twiglets and I haven't had time to try to make a coherent tree out of them. I will have a look for the two girls tomorrow. Could really do with an online Marriage Index like the Berks FHS one, but for Hampshire. -- John Lewis <jayellatntlworlddotcom> from Bournemouth, Dorset, UK. using Debian GNU/Linux and GeneWeb genealogy software

Hello All, Another year has gone by, its time again to renew the annual Membership Subscription for the Hampshire Genealogical Society, the due date is 1st April 2003. If you are already a member, the form is the green pages. If you would like to join the Hampshire Genealogical Society, the subscription fee is £10.00 for the British Isles and £13.00 Non UK including Eire. See the HGS website http://www.hgs-online.org.uk. You get 1 magazine every quarter, well worth reading. Regards Barbara Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants, UK BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk HGS Group Organiser Basingstoke

Hello John, Would you have the answer to this message, being that ROLFE is on your family tree. Regards Barbara Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants, UK BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Helen Anderson" <helenanderson.home@btopenworld.com> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-KINGSCLERE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 6:01 PM Subject: Marriage search | Hi Barbara, | | Could you look to see if you have a marriage/death for the two sisters below: | | Sarah Bear ROLFE b. 1820 | | Mary Spurrett ROLFE b. 1823 | | Both are the daughter of Joseph ROLFE and Bethany SPURRETT. | | Many thanks | Helen | | | ============================== | To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: | http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 |

Hi Barbara, Could you look to see if you have a marriage/death for the two sisters below: Sarah Bear ROLFE b. 1820 Mary Spurrett ROLFE b. 1823 Both are the daughter of Joseph ROLFE and Bethany SPURRETT. Many thanks Helen

I have just had a session on this site* and found it very useful. My 'free voucher' was out of date which was a bit of a bummer but it was easy enough to purchase a £5 credit. I have found several of my 'missing' Foster marriages/burials in Berkshire as a result. The initial search is free and you only need to pay the £0.05 per search item if it looks like there is something relevant. This does mean you pay for all items found in the search (for example it found 5 Sarah King marriages) but I still have £3.50 left for another day and you do have 6 months to use it up. * www.familyhistoryonline.net -- John Lewis <jayellatntlworlddotcom> from Bournemouth, Dorset, UK. using Debian GNU/Linux and GeneWeb genealogy software

Hello All, I'm sure that many list subscribers - especially our "overseas" subscribers will be pleased to hear that GENfair is back in business, as from today. GENfair is now operating under the banner of the Federation of Family History Societies (FFHS); and the website is at: http://www.ffhs.co.uk/genfair/ There are more than 100 FHSs and commercial companies represented on GENfair - it's well worth a look :-) Regards Barbara Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants, UK BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk Listowner

John, Many thanks for your latest. I have some source material which may confuse things even more!! A marriage Cert. August 17 1842, Basingstoke, Joseph Savery, full age, batchelor,Shoemaker, father James Savery, Gamekeeper. Hannah Goddard, a minor, spinster, no occupation, father John Goddard, Labourer. Witnesses- Ann Edwards Savery, Henry Savery ( I assumed these to be his mother & brother, but no proof yet) Also a birth Cert of:- Ann Savery born 4/12/1843 at Kingsclere, Mother, Hannah Goddard Savery Father, Joseph Savery ( Tailor) The Registrar was Henry Dale ( for anyone researching Dale's) The references to her birth in a couple of places in Gloucestershire are confusing. Most of us manage only one birthplace!! We have a family diary recording Ann's arrival in Warwickshire at the home of her uncle Richard Savery in abt 1862. Richard was a son of James senior, and also born in Withington. I have no idea where she was between 1851 census ( the 7 yr old with grandfather & Uncle Henry?) Back to John ( b 1811) - Ann Rebecca was a daughter from a previous marriage to Rebecca Ann Emmans ( see IGI) There were still Emmans in Kingsclere in the 1851 index. Caroline was a Buckeridge. I am in contact with her gt gt grandaughter who has documentation on her. Isaac Buckeridge was the local carrier & I think Carolines father. Thanks for your help. Perhaps the above will link in with another member? Best Wishes Valerie

Hello Barbara Wondered if you could check your Kingsclere or Woodlands fiche for details of the following marriage: George HEDGECOCK and Jane HISCOCK It was registered in the March quarter of 1878 and I'm especially interested in the fathers' names. Thanks in advance....Mike _____________________________________________________________ Currently researching in North Hants/West Berks: HUTCHINS, GODDON/GODWIN, RABBITS, HISCOCK/HITCHCOCK and LE BRETON in Jersey, Devon, London _____________________________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://messenger.msn.co.uk

On Mon, 17 Mar 2003 06:31:19 EST VPickard1@aol.com wrote: > Gt x 3 grandfather James Savery moved from Withington, Glos to > Kingsclere between 1810 and 1820. > Would he have had to have a settlement cert. and is it possible > to find out what family were with him? I know son John was. The 1851 Census Index for Kingsclere has James SAVORY age 71 born Withington, Henry 25 born Kingsclere and Ann 7 born Leasoncott?, Glos on page 159. John SAVERY 40 born Withington, Caroline 40 born Henley on Thames, Oxf., Ann Rebecca 14 and John J. 2 months both born Kingsclere are listed on page 184. I don't know the relationship of Ann Rebecca to John & Caroline but John J. seems to be a son. John & Caroline were to have another six childen bapt. in Kingsclere, he was a shoemaker and is also recorded as Parish Clerk in 1855 and Sexton in 1859. He died in 1866 in George Street and was buried at St. Mary. Caroline also died in Geroge Street in 1898. I have James senior married to Maria Poole but no note of my source for this. She presumably died before 1851. I have James junior recorded as a Gamekeeper and married to Ann EDWARDS but again I have no note of source of this info. If my info is correct and James junior was a gamekeeper it is possible James senior was also a gamekeeper as this occupation often runs in families. In which case James snr could have moved to Kingsclere to work on one of the estates (keepers tended to move around), after several years settlement in Kingsclere Parish would be established and with sons/grandsons becoming Parish Clerks who was going to move him on!! Two possible children are of James and Ann are Henry born about 1826 at North Oakley who married (1) Mary Ann POOLE and (2) Louisa BUTLER on 2 Jul 1888. Henry was a Surveyor Land Measurer and Parish Clerk when he married, witnesses were Henry Thomas SAVERY and Elizabeth Hewlett MILES. The second possible child was Joseph who was buried at St. Mary on 14 Sep 1846 age 5 months. I also have a Joseph Savery married to Hannah GODDARD in Basingstoke on 17 Aug 1742 with a daughter Ann born 1843 at Oliffe Shipton, Glos. My notes say Ann went to live with her Uncle Richard in 1846 but this is another of the early entries in my database with no source details and I have no other evidence of any Richard. The Ann listed with James and Henry in 1851 may be this Ann and Uncle Richard may in fact be Uncle Henry?? -- John Lewis <jayellatntlworlddotcom> from Bournemouth, Dorset, UK. using Debian GNU/Linux and GeneWeb genealogy software

Hello Rod and All, I am also interested in Ann BRIDGMAN, can you please share your information with me and the other BRIDGMAN researchers on the list. Many thanks. At the moment I have got two BRIDGMAN family trees, one starts off with Martha BRIDGMAN of Sydmonton married to Joseph MILES 20 September 1780 at Kingsclere, the other starts off with Richard BRIDGMAN married to Mary ?? 17 October 1811 married at Burgclere, I would be pleased if anyone can help me with the surname of Mary ??. Many thanks. A lot of Kingsclere researchers are linking into each others family trees, also we have got new subscribers on the list that have not yet declared their ancestors surnames, please do so. Can you please put all replies onto the list so we can all share them, many thanks. Regards Barbara Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants, UK BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "clargo" <clargo@tinyworld.co.uk> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-KINGSCLERE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 11:16 PM Subject: Re: Ann BRIDGEMAN & Burghclere (maybe?) | Hello Margaret and John, | | Thanks very much indeed for the Burghclere information. That parish is | about the only one in the area that I had not checked, having had a quick | look at research records. | It looks as though you have struck gold for me and after about fourteen | years the answer appears to have been told. | The moral to everybody is of course Never Give Up. | I can only repeat my thanks. | Cheers for now, Rodney Whale. | | | ============================== | To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: | http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 | | |

Hello Margaret and John, Thanks very much indeed for the Burghclere information. That parish is about the only one in the area that I had not checked, having had a quick look at research records. It looks as though you have struck gold for me and after about fourteen years the answer appears to have been told. The moral to everybody is of course Never Give Up. I can only repeat my thanks. Cheers for now, Rodney Whale.

Hello Valerie, Nothing in the Settlement Certificates etc., James Savery is not listed any where. I will keep a look out for him and post anything that I do find to the list. Regards Barbara Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants, UK BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: <VPickard1@aol.com> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-KINGSCLERE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 11:31 AM Subject: Settlement in Kingsclere. | Hi Barbara, | | Gt x 3 grandfather James Savery moved from Withington, Glos to Kingsclere | between 1810 and 1820 | Would he have had to have a settlement cert. and is it possible to find out | what family were with him? I know son John was. | | I love reading queries & answers of other members. One day I will make a | connection! | | Regards to all. Valerie Pickard. | | | ============================== | To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: | http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 |