Surely it is only conjecture that James Maybrick was Jack the Ripper? Cheers, Bob in Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "diane SOWDEN" <diane@sowden8945.freeserve.co.uk> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-KINGSCLERE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 8:34 AM Subject: Can anyone help my friend and I solve this mystery please? > My friend and I are trying to solve this mystery, can you help us at all. > > > > My friend's email address is JamesMaybrick_is_JacktheRipper@yahoogroups.co.uk > > ADVICE ON SEARCHING FOR THE FAMILY OF FLORENCE MAYBRICK NAMELY HER SON SHE HAD WITH HENRY STANLEY FLINN. > > HE WAS BORN 1879 IN LIVERPOOL. > > Florence Maybrick was the wife of James Maybrick who was Jack the Ripper. > > Florence had an illegitimate son with Henry Stanley Flinn, who was a Ship Owner from Liverpool. He owned the Dominion and Mississippi Steam Ship Line. Florie named this child William, when he was born. > > Florie then had the baby adopted by MR AND MRS GRAHAM of Hartlepool Durham. > > As Henry Stanley Flinn is my husband's 4 cousin, I would very much like to trace the family but I don't know how to go about it. > > I have written to Anne E Graham, who is mentioned in the Book JACK THE RIPPER - THE FINAL CHAPTER. In fact, she helped to write the book, but she couldn't tell me where to go from where I have got to in my research. I wonder whether you could help me or not? > > I have found him on the 1881 census, and also the 1901 census. Now I would like to come forward and trace his family, as they are my husband's relations. Any ideas on how to do this would be most welcome. > > From > > Diane Sowden > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.484 / Virus Database: 282 - Release Date: 5/27/03 > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

On Wed, 28 May 2003 07:26:54 +0100 Colin Harris wrote: > Has anyone lost a John GRIGG born around 1791, whilst reading through a > book on Ruislip, Middlesex I have found a reference to him as originating > from Wolverton. He was apparently connected with the church in Ruislip for > nearly 40 years, as parish clerk, assistant overseer and church warden; he > died in 1868. I have the following Grigg entries for Kingsclere St. Mary Ann ca 1769-1827 married 26 Dec 1789 to Robert Stevens ca 1767, witnesses: Stephen & Mary Grigg. Ann born Ecchinswell Elizabeth married 28 Nov 1791 to Jeoffrey Webb, witness: Mary Grigg Mary married 16 May 1793 to John Blackman, witnesses: John Grigg and Elizabeth Webb Stephen married 9 Sep 1793 to Hannah White, witnesses: Mary Walker? & E??? Jacob? (almost unreadable). Stephen was of Wolverton. Although Ann was 'of Ecchinswell' at marriage and baptised there there seems to be a link with Stephen, Elizabeth and Mary with them being witnesses at each others weddings. The only John here, as a witness, could be the father of the John at Ruislip. -- John Lewis <jayellatntlworlddotcom> from Bournemouth, Dorset, UK. using Debian GNU/Linux and GeneWeb genealogy software

I just though I'd let you know I have been working on my 'Kingsclere Families' website and think I have sorted out the re-design. It now has the beginnings of a Picture Gallery too. You can have a look at the site at http://www.startx.co.uk/ Feedback on how it looks will be appreciated. I have tested it with most modern browsers but anyone using Netscape 4.* will not see the picture gallery as I intend it to look. I haven't tested any version of IE older than 5.* either. You would be better off upgrading these older browsers anyway if your system can run them. I still have the old site running but hopefully this will be shut down in the near future. A lot of the family trees on it are quite out-of-date and it isn't worth keeping both sites updated. -- John Lewis <jayellatntlworlddotcom> from Bournemouth, Dorset, UK. using Debian GNU/Linux and GeneWeb genealogy software

Dear Linda, I have lost your email address. I don't know which list you were on either, that is why I am posting to all the mailing lists that I am on. Could you please get in touch with my friend who is helping me research please. Her email address is at the bottom of this email. From: Linda > To: diane SOWDEN > Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 12:58 PM > Subject: Graham > > > Hi Diane, > > found this extract on a website about Anne Graham's > book, gives just a brief mention of her own family, > she is a descendent of the illegitimate son of > Florence Maybrick, hence then one of the descendants > you are looking for, the adopted William Flinn later > Graham is her grandfather. > > This extract was dated in March 2000. > > Linda > > JamesMaybrick_is_JacktheRipp... E-mail Address(es): JamesMaybrick_is_JacktheRipper@yahoogroups.co.uk --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.484 / Virus Database: 282 - Release Date: 5/27/03

Hello all Has anyone lost a John GRIGG born around 1791, whilst reading through a book on Ruislip, Middlesex I have found a reference to him as originating from Wolverton. He was apparently connected with the church in Ruislip for nearly 40 years, as parish clerk, assistant overseer and church warden; he died in 1868. If anyone wants more details of what is in the book please let me know. Regards Colin Harris --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.483 / Virus Database: 279 - Release Date: 19/05/2003

My friend and I are trying to solve this mystery, can you help us at all. My friend's email address is JamesMaybrick_is_JacktheRipper@yahoogroups.co.uk ADVICE ON SEARCHING FOR THE FAMILY OF FLORENCE MAYBRICK NAMELY HER SON SHE HAD WITH HENRY STANLEY FLINN. HE WAS BORN 1879 IN LIVERPOOL. Florence Maybrick was the wife of James Maybrick who was Jack the Ripper. Florence had an illegitimate son with Henry Stanley Flinn, who was a Ship Owner from Liverpool. He owned the Dominion and Mississippi Steam Ship Line. Florie named this child William, when he was born. Florie then had the baby adopted by MR AND MRS GRAHAM of Hartlepool Durham. As Henry Stanley Flinn is my husband's 4 cousin, I would very much like to trace the family but I don't know how to go about it. I have written to Anne E Graham, who is mentioned in the Book JACK THE RIPPER - THE FINAL CHAPTER. In fact, she helped to write the book, but she couldn't tell me where to go from where I have got to in my research. I wonder whether you could help me or not? I have found him on the 1881 census, and also the 1901 census. Now I would like to come forward and trace his family, as they are my husband's relations. Any ideas on how to do this would be most welcome. From Diane Sowden --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.484 / Virus Database: 282 - Release Date: 5/27/03

From: Anne Eversley <anneeversley@yahoo.co.uk> To: <ENG-LIVERPOOL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 7:29 PM Subject: [ENG-LIV] James and Florence Maybrick, JTR > Hello Listmembers, I'm working with Diane Sowden regarding the Maybricks, the Grahams, and Henry Stanley Flinn and family. Some members here have provided valuable information regarding the aforementioned, therefore those members as well as anyone who has an interest is cordially invited to join my group, "James Maybrick is Jack the Ripper". Please go to: http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/JamesMaybrick_is_JacktheRipper/ Thank you very much indeed. Cheers! Regards, Anne > > ENFIELD HOUSE CHEESECAKES > http://www.joanandstevesjubilantukjournal.co.uk/links/enfieldcheesecakes.htm SALE NOW ON! > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Plus - For a better Internet experience > > > ==== ENG-LIVERPOOL Mailing List ==== > Eng-Liverpool Web Site (updated May 2003) > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/EngLiverpool.htm > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.483 / Virus Database: 279 - Release Date: 5/19/03 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.484 / Virus Database: 282 - Release Date: 5/27/03

----- Original Message ----- From: Anne Eversley <anneeversley@yahoo.co.uk> To: <ENG-LIVERPOOL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 7:29 PM Subject: [ENG-LIV] James and Florence Maybrick, JTR > Hello Listmembers, I'm working with Diane Sowden regarding the Maybricks, the Grahams, and Henry Stanley Flinn and family. Some members here have provided valuable information regarding the aforementioned, therefore those members as well as anyone who has an interest is cordially invited to join my group, "James Maybrick is Jack the Ripper". Please go to: http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/JamesMaybrick_is_JacktheRipper/ Thank you very much indeed. Cheers! Regards, Anne > > ENFIELD HOUSE CHEESECAKES > http://www.joanandstevesjubilantukjournal.co.uk/links/enfieldcheesecakes.htm SALE NOW ON! > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Plus - For a better Internet experience > > > ==== ENG-LIVERPOOL Mailing List ==== > Eng-Liverpool Web Site (updated May 2003) > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/EngLiverpool.htm > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.483 / Virus Database: 279 - Release Date: 5/19/03

I am looking for a Genealogist with a lot of experience to help me in the search for someone. I have come up with someone VERY VERY famous in my husband's line, and I need help to find the family of this person. If you would care to email me offline please, I will give you the details of this person. This is a genuine request, because I am now very stuck of what to do next. Hoping that someone can help me. All I need is advice on this person. From Diane Sowden --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.483 / Virus Database: 279 - Release Date: 5/19/03

I am looking for a Genealogist with a lot of experience to help me in the search for someone. I have come up with someone VERY VERY famous in my husband's line, and I need help to find the family of this person. If you would care to email me offline please, I will give you the details of this person. This is a genuine request, because I am now very stuck of what to do next. Hoping that someone can help me. All I need is advice on this person. From Diane Sowden --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.483 / Virus Database: 279 - Release Date: 5/19/03

I understand that Bramshaw was at one time 'split' between Hampshire and Wiltshire and am not sure where it rests at the moment....... perhaps you could advise. My particular interest lies in the registers for the period 1660-1670 or so. Joe in Sydney

Joe, The Hampshire List would be more appropriate for this query. See http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ENG/HAMPSHIRE.html Bramshaw was partly in Wiltshire and partly in Hampshire until 1895, when the whole parish transferred to Hampshire. The registers are at Hampshire Record Office. Wiltshire and Swindon Record Office has Bishops' Transcripts for Bramshaw and a microfilm copy of the registers. Bramshaw is in the Diocese of Salisbury, so wills and other Diocesan Records relating to the parish are at WSRO. The registers have been filmed by the LDS. Alan McGowan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Twitchin" <joett@bigpond.com> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-KINGSCLERE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2003 11:05 AM Subject: Bramshaw I understand that Bramshaw was at one time 'split' between Hampshire and Wiltshire and am not sure where it rests at the moment....... perhaps you could advise. My particular interest lies in the registers for the period 1660-1670 or so. Joe in Sydney ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

I have some more information about Matilda Tidbury, wife of Boxer Hutchins, which I thought I would post to the list as she appears in the tree of some of the Hutchins researchers. Matilda's birth was registered in the December quarter of 1869 in the Kingsclere Registration District: Matilda Lavinia C Tidbury 2c 228. (Somebody gave me a GRO reference for June which was incorrect.) Here is the full entry for Matilda from the 1891 census: 10 Church Street, Basingstoke, county of Southampton Albert Betterworth Head M 55 Grocer Hants Horndean Jane A Betterworth Wife M 36 London Kate H Betterworth Daughter, 9, Scholar, Hants Aldershot Lillie Betterworth, daughter, 7, scholar, Gibraltar, Bristol subject Leslie Betterworth, Son, 5, Scholar, Hants Basingstoke Winifred Betterworth Daughter 3 Hants Basingstoke Herbert S King Assistant S, 22 Grocers Assistant Berks Maidenhead Matilda L C Tidbury Servant S 21 General servant Hants Ecchinswell Here is the full entry from the 1871 census: Bishops Green Mary Ann Tidbury H Widow 38 Dressmaker Ecchingswell Hants Mary Ann Tidbury Dau 8 Scholar Sydmonton Matilda L Tidbury Dau 1 Ecchingswell [N.B. For Mary Ann senior she was initially described as Unmarried. This was crossed out and widow written above it. 'Illegitimate' was written next to Mary Ann junior but again had a line through it.] Matilda's sister Mary Anne Tidbury was born on 15th February 1863 in Sydmonton, Hampshire (no father's name recorded on the birth certificate). She was baptised as Mary Anne Victoria Tidbury on 3rd June 1874 at St Nicholas's Church, Newbury. In the 1881 census she appears as Mary A V Tidbury, a general servant living at Mouse Field Farm, Shaw cum Donnington, Berkshire. By 1901 she has disappeared. Best wishes Debbie Kennett Researching: TIDBURY Greenham, Ecchinswell, Sydmonton, Gosport, London JOHNSON Kintbury, Berkshire SMART Kintbury and Welford, Berkshire BELLINGER Newbury SAUNDERS Brockenhurst and London CRUWYS anywhere and everywhere CRUSE, BOUNDY, SQUIRE, DILLON, SYMONS, EASTMOND North Devon WIGGINS, RATT(E)Y, TRASK London and Middlesex WO(O)LFENDEN, BODGER, BERRYMAN, WALKER, UNDERWOOD Cambs/Hunts KENNETT All England (any with hunting connections)

Has anyone come across a Thomas Challis marrying Mary (possibly from Highclere) between 1820 and 1830? Regards Ron Challis

Hello from Australia Peter. You can subscribe to the British- Columbia list on CAN-BRITISH-COLUMBIA-L-request@rootsweb.com Just type in subscribe in the subject and body of the message. Cheers, Bob in Melbourne. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Goff" <peter.goff@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-KINGSCLERE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 4:14 AM Subject: British Columbia > Hello All > > Apologies for being off subject but last month there was a posting for someone who belonged to the British Columbia Genealogical Society. > I am desperate for advice and guidance regarding ancestors in BC. Could whoever it was please contact me off list > > Regards > Peter Goff > www.kingsclere.org.uk > > All outgoing emails are scanned for viruses > No attachments to this message > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hello All Apologies for being off subject but last month there was a posting for someone who belonged to the British Columbia Genealogical Society. I am desperate for advice and guidance regarding ancestors in BC. Could whoever it was please contact me off list Regards Peter Goff www.kingsclere.org.uk All outgoing emails are scanned for viruses No attachments to this message

A few strays noticed whilst looking through the FreeCEN 1891 transcription for Uxbridge, Middlesex http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mdx1891census/ Hope they are of use to someone. Regards Colin Middlesex 1891 Census : Reg.Dist. Uxbridge : Piece No RG12\1021 Norwood (Southall) Folio 118 Page 10 Sched 55 14 - Seabrook Cottg. DRY Alfred Head M 39 Bricklayer (Em'ee) HAM Basingstoke DRY Susan Wife F 37 HAM Basingstoke DRY Georgenie Susan Dau F 14 Housemaid Domestic (Em'ee) MDX Hayes DRY Sophia Mary Dau F 12 Scholar MDX Hayes DRY Alfred Edward Son M 3 MDX Southall Folio 122 Page 18 Sched 95 18 - Hambro Cottg. WYTHE James Head M 45 Statnary Engine Drivr (Em'ee) HAM Kingsclere WYTHE Mary Ann Wife F 35 BKM Iver WYTHE William Son M 15 Rlway Engine Cleaner (Em'ee) MDX Yiewsley WYTHE Annie Maria Dau F 14 Domestic Servant (Em'ee) MDX Cowley WYTHE Rosa Dau F 12 Scholar MDX Hanwell WYTHE George Son M 9 Scholar MDX Southall WYTHE John Son M 6 MDX Hayes WYTHE Frederick Son M 4 MDX Southall WYTHE Albert Edward Son M 4 MDX Southall Middlesex 1891 Census : Reg.Dist. Uxbridge : Piece No RG12\1021 Hayes Folio 64 Page 14 Sched 93 - Barra Hall REID Robert Head M 68 Surveyor & Auctioneer LND Bloomsbury REID Louisa Wife F 69 WAR Leamington REID Alfred Son M 36 Major 4th Batt Durham L. I. LND St James Westminster REID Leonard Son M 30 LND St James Westminster DOUGLAS Louisa Charlt. Dau F 31 LND St James Westminster DOUGLAS Francis Gordon Grnson M 5 MDX Hayes DOUGLAS Leslie Victor Grnson M 4 SCT - LAWRENCE Augustus C. Servnt M 32 Butler Domestic Servant HAM Kingsclere ?? MORGAN Sarah Servnt F 42 Cook Domestic Servant SAL Iscoyd DAVIES Hannah Servnt F 28 Housemaid Domestic GLA Swansea FERGUSON Hellen Servnt F 26 Housemaid Domestic SCT - GRANT Hannah Georgina Servnt F 29 Laundry Maid Domestic HAM Southsea BRIDGES Elizabeth Ann Servnt F 20 Kitchenmaid Domestic KEN Tunbridge Wells FARRELL Maria Servnt F 26 Housemaid Domestic IRL - Folio 103 Page 12 Sched 76 - Cold Harbour Lane COX George Head M 27 Foreman On Farm (Em'ee) BRK Kingclere COX Ella Wife F 24 BRK Hurley COX Lilian Dau F 2 BRK Hurley Middlesex 1891 Census : Reg.Dist. Uxbridge : Piece No RG12\1018 Hillingdon Folio 40 Page 12 Sched 66 - High Road HARRIS Harriet - F 79 Living On Own Means HAM Highclere Folio 50 Page 31 Sched 184 - High Road EAGLES John Head M 50 Cabman (Em'ee) OXF Bloxham EAGLES Jane Wife F 77 HAM Highclere Middlesex 1891 Census : Reg.Dist. Uxbridge : Piece No RG12\1018 Uxbridge North Folio 78 Page 39 Sched 246 - Harefield Rd VINCENT Edmund Head M 49 Retired Policeman SSX Cuckfield VINCENT Mary Wife F 53 DOR Blandford VINCENT Louisa Dau F 22 Dressmaker (Notem) MDX Paddington VINCENT Edward Son M 19 Stonemason (Em'ee) MDX Paddington VINCENT Rosanna Daulaw F 19 HAM Ecchinswell VINCENT Mary V. Daulaw F 22 Lodging House Keeper (Notem) OVF America New Jersey --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.480 / Virus Database: 276 - Release Date: 12/05/2003

Was there a Warren Drive in Broadstone Dorset in the year 1939, could svks please tell me? TIA Diane Sowden --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.481 / Virus Database: 277 - Release Date: 5/13/03

Diane, Yes,Becton Lane,New Milton is in Hampshire. Elizabeth New Milton. __________________________________________________ Yahoo! Plus For a better Internet experience http://www.yahoo.co.uk/btoffer

----- Original Message ----- From: Diane Sowden To: CHESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com ; BIRKENHEAD-L@rootsweb.com ; CORNISH-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 8:11 AM Subject: HAS ANYONE EVER HEARD OF THIS NAME PLEASE? I belong to the church choir and last night we were being a bit silly, and our choir master asked us if we had ever heard of the surname MONKEY. What I would like to know is - was there ever such a surname as Monkey and it was changed to something else? Hoping that I get some answers. Diane Sowden --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.481 / Virus Database: 277 - Release Date: 5/13/03