Some of you may remember my earlier request to the list about the problematical Walter Tidbury. It now appears that the Walter Tidbury who married Eliza DRUCE on 17th September 1889 at Lane End, Bucks, was indeed the one who was baptised in Kingsclere in 1862. The father's name on the marriage certificate was given as Frederick Tidbury but this appears to have been a mistake as all the details from the various censuses confirm that Walter was the son of Jeremiah and Martha. According to his birth certificate Walter was born on 24th April 1862 at North Street, Kingsclere. His father was Jeremiah Tidbury, railway labourer, and his mother was Martha TROUGHTON. Martha appears to have been christened on 2nd February 1842 in Kingsclere, the daughter of John Troughton and Minnie ANDREWS who were possibly married on 10th October 1839 in Kingsclere. Martha was possibly one of four sisters, the others being Mary, baptised 9th February 1845, Harriet, baptised 12th October 1850, and Jane, baptised 13th February 1848. Jeremiah Tidbury died some time before the 1881 census and Martha then married Henry RANDALL, a labourer, born about 1836 in Hursley, Hampshire.Walter Tidbury was living with his mother Martha and stepfather Henry Randall in the 1881 census. In 1891 Walter (born Hants) and Eliza were living in Upper North Dean, High Wycombe, with their 10-month-old son, Alfred Tidbury. In 1901 Alfred is living with Martha and Henry Randall and is described as their grandson. I would be most grateful if Barbara or John could have a look at the Kingsclere registers and give me the full details of the TROUGHTON marriage and baptisms as shown above. If anyone has any connections with any of these names do let me know and I will put you in touch with my Tidbury contact. Best wishes Debbie

Hi All Sorry Sue but you are mistaken. It has cost me 35 pounds for five certificates. Regards Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Matthews" <susan.matthews1@ntlworld.com> To: "Peter Goff" <peter.goff@btinternet.com>; <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-KINGSCLERE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 4:48 PM Subject: RE: Ordering BMD certificates > Dear All > > It is £7 for extra copies, the cost is £8.50 you will find. I have used this > site in the past for postal orders and it has been very good > > Sue Matthews > > Abingdon, Oxon > wiblin@one-name.org > > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Goff [mailto:peter.goff@btinternet.com] > Sent: 16 July 2003 15:42 > To: ENG-HAMPSHIRE-KINGSCLERE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Ordering BMD certificates > > Hi All > > I don't know whether this has been mentioned and I've missed it but you can > now order certificates online at www.col.statistics.gov.uk but only for UK > residents at present. > > The cost is only 7 pounds each and the delivery is four working days.( I > will let you all know how accurate this delivery time is). > > The only problem I encountered was that in order to proceed to the payment > screen it is necessary to disable any firewall you have in place. They have > said that they are working on this problem and hope to resolve it soon. > > Regards > Peter Goff > www.kingsclere.org.uk > > All outgoing emails are scanned for viruses > No attachments to this message > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.500 / Virus Database: 298 - Release Date: 10/07/03 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.500 / Virus Database: 298 - Release Date: 10/07/03 > > >

Barbara I'm sorry but we don't know anything about Martha MAJOR at the moment. The MAJORS my friend has in her tree are as follows. Joseph MAJOR born about 1847 married Mary Ann Rosina TIDBURY on 7th August 1870 at the Primitive Methodist Chapel, Newbury. Joseph was a gardener living in Greenham at the time of his marriage. Mary Ann and Joseph had four sons, William, Thomas, Joseph and Charles. William was born in Greenham and the other three sons were born in Romford, Essex. Joseph senior died in 1880 or 1881 and Mary Ann remarried to Walter GRUBB who was born about 1861-1863 in Newbury, Berkshire. My friend is descended from the second marriage. Best wishes Debbie

Hi Barbara Thanks for that; always happy to hear of Sparshott families. See you at the next meeting of Hampshire Genealogical Society in Basingstoke on 24th July. Coincidently it is about Hampshire Police Archives! -- Best regards, Peter McNulty peter@sparshott.org.uk www.sparshott.org.uk Researching: SPARSHOTT families world-wide ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Mallyon" <BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-KINGSCLERE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 4:24 PM Subject: Kingsclere Baptism > Hi Peter and All, > > I have found Mary Jane daughter of William and Mary SPARSHOTT of Swan > Street, > Kingsclere, occupation, Superintendent of Police. Baptism date 13 August > 1848. Page 201 > > Kind regards > > Barbara Mallyon > Basingstoke, Hants, UK > BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

website http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/PR_Index.html I did add this website on my message, I don't what happened, sorry. Regards Barbara Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants, UK BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Mallyon" <BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-KINGSCLERE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 4:31 PM Subject: Interesting Parish Register website | | I have come across this interesting website on another rootswebs, it may | interest you if you are researching in the areas listed and its free. | | Regards | | Barbara Mallyon | Basingstoke, Hants, UK | BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk | | | ============================== | To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: | http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 | | |

Dear All It is £7 for extra copies, the cost is £8.50 you will find. I have used this site in the past for postal orders and it has been very good Sue Matthews Abingdon, Oxon wiblin@one-name.org -----Original Message----- From: Peter Goff [mailto:peter.goff@btinternet.com] Sent: 16 July 2003 15:42 To: ENG-HAMPSHIRE-KINGSCLERE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Ordering BMD certificates Hi All I don't know whether this has been mentioned and I've missed it but you can now order certificates online at www.col.statistics.gov.uk but only for UK residents at present. The cost is only 7 pounds each and the delivery is four working days.( I will let you all know how accurate this delivery time is). The only problem I encountered was that in order to proceed to the payment screen it is necessary to disable any firewall you have in place. They have said that they are working on this problem and hope to resolve it soon. Regards Peter Goff www.kingsclere.org.uk All outgoing emails are scanned for viruses No attachments to this message ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.500 / Virus Database: 298 - Release Date: 10/07/03 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.500 / Virus Database: 298 - Release Date: 10/07/03

I have come across this interesting website on another rootswebs, it may interest you if you are researching in the areas listed and its free. Regards Barbara Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants, UK BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk

Hi Debbie, I would be grateful if your other MAJOR researchers could please give me the names of Martha's parents and where they are from, that is if they know of course. Many thanks. Regards Barbara Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants, UK BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: <DEBBIEKENNETT@aol.com> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-KINGSCLERE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 9:46 AM Subject: Re: Walter Tidbury | Barbara | | Many thanks for the Martha Major marriage. I don't have her in my tree but | one of my other Tidbury researchers has some Majors in her tree so I've passed | on the details. I seem to remember that there were rather a lot of Majors in | Greenham when I was going through the Greenham parish registers and censuses. | | Best wishes | | Debbie | | | ============================== | To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: | http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 |

Hi Peter and All, I have found Mary Jane daughter of William and Mary SPARSHOTT of Swan Street, Kingsclere, occupation, Superintendent of Police. Baptism date 13 August 1848. Page 201 Kind regards Barbara Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants, UK BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk

Hi All I don't know whether this has been mentioned and I've missed it but you can now order certificates online at www.col.statistics.gov.uk but only for UK residents at present. The cost is only 7 pounds each and the delivery is four working days.( I will let you all know how accurate this delivery time is). The only problem I encountered was that in order to proceed to the payment screen it is necessary to disable any firewall you have in place. They have said that they are working on this problem and hope to resolve it soon. Regards Peter Goff www.kingsclere.org.uk All outgoing emails are scanned for viruses No attachments to this message

I came across an oddity whilst looking through HUGHES entries in the Kingsclere registers. The 1851 census index for Ecchinswell lists a Charles Hughes age 41 born Thatcham with wife Mary age 40 born Newtown and children William, Elizabeth, Harriet, Stephen and Hannah, all born Ecchinswell When I found the baptism entry for William on 20 Nov 1831 parents were recorded as Charles Watts & Mary Hughes. I decided to see if there was a marriage entry around this time for this couple and found Charles WATTS married Mary WHITE on 15 Aug 1831, both of Ecchinswell. It seems probable these are the parents of William. Charles Watts has become Charles Watts Hughes by November that year!! I suspect Charles may have been illegitimate with parents Watts & Hughes but don't have access to Thatcham registers to check this. My reason for looking at Hughes was an email to me from Peter Goff giving me information he'd received on the Neate family who's burials are recorded in the St. Mary MIs. The link to Hughes being that a John Drake married Jane Hughes in 1800, had a son John who married Ann Bayspole about 1829, who in turn had a daughter Helen who married Stephen Richard Neate. Both Stephen & Helen died in Hong Kong ca 1883/4 according to the MI inscription. Stephens parents were buried at St. Mary, Kingsclere. The Hughes family also link into my earlier email concerning Ada Dry as the wife of David Dry and John Hutchins was baptised Harriet Huse, the only dau of Charles Huse/Hughes & Jane Holness. -- John Lewis <jayellatntlworlddotcom> from Bournemouth, Dorset, UK. using Debian GNU/Linux and GeneWeb genealogy software

Among my many other Kingsclere 'problems' is identifying the mother of Ada DRY who married Henry MANCHESTER at St. Paul, Woodlands on 26 Dec 1891. Ada's age is given as 19 years and is recorded as illegitimate in the marriage entry. Witnesses were Ernest & Alice Hutchins An Ada Dry was recorded in the household of John & Harriet Hutchins in 1881, granddaughter, aged 7 years. I can find no baptism for an Ada Dry around the 1874 period. Two children of John & Harriet were Ernest and Alice Hutchins (mentioned above), so it seems likely the Ada who married Henry is the same Ada recorded in h/h of John & Harriet in 1881. If actually born in 1874 she was only 17 rather than 19. Harriet was previously married to David DRY and had one child before he died. This was Ellen born Summershurst and baptised at St. Mary on 6 Sep 1852. The only illegit. birth which seems to fit Ada's date of birth is Ellen Edith baptised at St. Paul on 1 Mar 1874 to Emma DRY of Ram Alley. But I have not found any Emma Dry to match this entry. My hypothesis is that Emma is really Ellen and that Ada is really Ellen Edith. Do any of the other Dry researchers have a view on this or have I missed an essential bit of information? -- John Lewis <jayellatntlworlddotcom> from Bournemouth, Dorset, UK. using Debian GNU/Linux and GeneWeb genealogy software

Barbara Many thanks for the Martha Major marriage. I don't have her in my tree but one of my other Tidbury researchers has some Majors in her tree so I've passed on the details. I seem to remember that there were rather a lot of Majors in Greenham when I was going through the Greenham parish registers and censuses. Best wishes Debbie

Hello Barbara, When you have the time Barbara could you look up a burial record for me the name is ALICE LOUISA BREWER the registration of her death was taken from the GRO index it was in the DEC quarter of 1980 in BASINGSTOKE but she is buried in KINGSCLERE. Many thanks, Charlie Rodgers

Hi Listers. Try http://khuish.tripod.com/england.htm also found as 'firstmom' on search engine. Some 1849 & 1856 marriages from St Catherine's Index for Kingsclere and a couple of Kennett's for Debbie. Regards to all Vakerie

Hi Debbie, Martha MAJOR married Edward HOLLEY 18 May 1873 Kingsclere, if you have her on your family tree. Regards Barbara Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants, UK BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: <DEBBIEKENNETT@aol.com> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-KINGSCLERE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 04, 2003 3:15 PM Subject: Walter Tidbury | Barbara | | If you have a chance could you possibly have a look at your Kingsclere fiches | and see if you can find a baptism for Walter Tidbury, son of Jeremiah and | Martha. I have been told that he was christened on 9th June 1862 at Kingsclere. I | would also be interested to know if there are any further baptisms for | children of Jeremiah and Martha in the registers. It appears that Walter Tidbury | married Eliza DRUCE in the September quarter of 1889 and by 1891 they were | living in Upper North Dean, Bucks. Jeremiah Tidbury was born about 1826 in New | Brentford, Middlesex, and was the son of Jeremiah Tidbury and Ann MAJOR who | married in Thatcham on 11th July 1821. | | Many thanks | | Debbie Kennett | | | ============================== | To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: | http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 |

Hi Margaret, I have check the dates of Baptisms for Elizabeth and Mary WATERMAN they are correct. What do you want a look-up for you did not say ? Regards Barbara Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants, UK BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul & Margaret Moon" <4moons@hwy.com.au> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-KINGSCLERE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 12:20 AM Subject: Lookup for Waterman in Kingsclere | Hi Everyone, | | I think that I may have found another connection to my family and was | wondering if someone could please do a quick lookup for me. | | I have two baptism entries: | Mary Waterman 2nd Sept 1764 and Elizabeth Waterman 20th Aug 1763 they are | both daughters of William and Sarah Waterman. | | Thanking you, | Margaret Moon, N.S.W., Australia. | | | ============================== | To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: | http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 |

Hi Everyone, I think that I may have found another connection to my family and was wondering if someone could please do a quick lookup for me. I have two baptism entries: Mary Waterman 2nd Sept 1764 and Elizabeth Waterman 20th Aug 1763 they are both daughters of William and Sarah Waterman. Thanking you, Margaret Moon, N.S.W., Australia.

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