Hello All, One of our new researchers is looking for the Head family. Baptism John son of Richard and Anne HEAD 6 January 1796 at St. Mary's Kingsclere Joseph son of Richard and Mary HEAD 6 January 1796 at Kingsclere As written in the Bishops Transcript, also the same in the Kingsclere Parish Register. Marriage Elizabeth HEAD and Thomas PIKE 20 September 1796 Thomas a bachelor Elizabeth a spinster both of Kingsclere Witnesses in own hand writing Joseph Pugy ? and Grace Torne ? both of these names are badly written, you may know what these names are. Burial of Lucy HEAD 29 September 1797 Regards Barbara Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants, UK BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk

Having another try ....... does anyone have the Index of 1841 census, I am looking for James TANNER Minister @ Kingsclere b. 1800 in Berkshire, wife Mary as at 1834 dau. Elizabeth Robin TANNER b. 1834 Kingsclere. (baptised by father who was still there till July 1849.) I have father and dau in the 1881 census. Nothing else known, many thanks, Toni

Dear Listers, I have from FreeBMD a marriage for John Purdue HILES to Ester HAWKINS in Dec quarter of 1868, Kingsclere District 2c 453. Can anybody tell me the parents of both or either please. HILES is a Yorkshire name and I need to find out if John Purdue is a grandson or a son to the first generation that came south. John Purdue Hiles and family are living in Kingsclere in 1881. I have more on the HILES family if anybody needs it. Best wishes, Nigel Gerdes Researching: SMITH ALLEN KENT GARRETT MARTIN DIGWEED WEBB TWITCHIN and TWITCHEN GUNDRY HUNT and others.

Is the lady who was interested in Church BROWNJOHN still on the list? I found him in the Greenham Common electoral registers. If you get in touch with me I'll send you a copy. Debbie Kennett

I just received in the post this morning the birth certificate of Joseph Tidbury, son of David and Phoebe, which has finally given me the maiden name of Phoebe, my gggg grandmother. It turns out that she was a KEWELL. With the help of the Hugh Wallis batch search site on the IGI and some of the Thatcham data I already have on file I have started to unravel a rather complicated and incestuous family tree. Here is what I have so far: David TIDBURY of Greenham married Sarah WITHERS of Newtown, Hampshire, on 24th October 1772 in Thatcham, Berkshire. Sarah Withers was born about 1748. She was buried on 10th June 1831 in Greenham aged 83 (NBI). David and Sarah had at least six children: 1. Thomas Tidbury, baptised 23rd May 1773 in Thatcham 2. Ann Tidbury, baptised 23rd May 1773 in Thatcham 3. Ann Tidbury, baptised on 23rd February 1777 in Thatcham. 4. Phoebe Tidbury, baptised 6th June 1779 in Thatcham. 5. William Tidbury baptised on 8th April 1781 in Greenham. William Tidbury of Greenham married Mary Stephens in Thatcham on 23rd April 1806. (I have a lot of detail about this line if anyone has any connections.) 6. Jane Tidbury, baptised 12th October 1783 in Thatcham. Jane Tidbury married William Kewell on 14th May 1803 in Thatcham. Jane and William had at least five children: (i) Phoebe Kewell, born on 18th September 1803 in Ecchinswell, Hampshire. She married David Tidbury. David Tidbury was almost certainly related to Phoebe's mother but I haven't yet worked out the exact relationship. David and Phoebe are my gggg grandparents. (ii) William Kewell, baptised on 25th December 1804 in Kingsclere. He married Sarah Tidbury by licence on 24th May 1826 at St Mary's, Kingsclere. The witnesses were David and Phoebe Tidbury. William was a widower and living in Ecchinswell at the time of the marriage. His first marriage has not yet been located. Sarah Tidbury was the sister of the David Tidbury (above) who married Phoebe Kewell. William and Sarah had at least five children: 1. Jane Kewell baptised on 28th September 1828 in Kingsclere 2. Mary Ann Kewell, born on 23rd July 1832 and baptised on 26th August 1832 in Kingsclere. 3. Robert Kewell, born on 7th July 1834 and baptised on 17th August 1834 in Kingsclere 4. Elizabeth Kewell, baptised on 15th April 1838 in Kingsclere 5. Sarah Jemima Kewell, baptised 8th August 1841 in Kingsclere. (iii) Lydia Kewell, baptised on 15th February 1807 in Kingsclere. She married James Wilmot on 17th March 1834 in Kingsclere. (iv) Joseph Kewell, baptised on 22nd September 1811 in Kingsclere. He was living in Ecchinswell for the 1851 census. (v) Robert Kuwell, baptised on 19th September 1813 in Kingsclere So far I haven't been able to find the marriage of David Tidbury and Phoebe Kewell. The marriage does not appear in the Berkshire FHS marriage indexes and they didn't marry in Kingsclere. I presume they must have married in one of the other Hampshire parishes near Kingsclere. If anyone finds the marriage while searching through any of these other parishes I would be very pleased to have the details. John very kindly gave me the details of the William Kuell and Sarah Tidbury marriage but all the Kingsclere baptisms are taken from the IGI so if John or Barbara would like a challenge I would appreciate it if you could let me have the full details of the above baptisms. There were literally hundreds of Tidburys in Thatcham and I'm currently trying to sort them all out. I've also come across a few BRIDGEMANS, COOPERS and FOSTERS in the Thatcham burials and will post details of these when I've had a chance to double-check everything against the original registers. There are also a few other Kewell baptisms in Kingsclere which I haven't yet been able to place: George Kewell, baptised 24th June 1838 in Kingsclere, son of John Kewell and Letitia. Jane Kewell, baptised on 12th February 1841, daughter of John Kewell and Latitia. Anna Maria Kewell, baptised on 3rd August 1842, daughter of Anna Kewell. There were also some extra Kewells in the 1851 census but I need to get the full census entry to sort out who was who. Sorry about the long posting but I hope that it is of interest to at least some of you. Best wishes Debbie Kennett

Hello All, A reminder. The Hampshire Genealogical Society OPEN DAY is on Sunday 21 September. Open from 10am to 4pm entrance free. Horndean Community School, off the A3 junction 2 towards Catherington. Turn right at exit roundabout and cross two more round abouts to wards Catherington, look out for the Hampshire Genealogical Society signs and the School sign.. There are 3 free Lecturers John HANSON "Getting the most from the 1901 Census online Alec TRITTON (Chair of the Federation of FHS) "Pay-Per-View" Jean BUNTING "Reading Between the Lines" There will be many research aids available, come along, you could knock down that Brick wall. Other Family History Societies will be there and many other Stands. Look forward to seeing you, Roger my spouse and I will be on the entrance door to count the number of visitors, please say hello. Regards Barbara Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants, UK BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk Listowner

Looking for any info on the family name Kendall

On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 10:52:54 +0100 Colin Harris wrote: > Stephen WILMOT seems to be the one on the IGI born Thatcham 25th > July 1811 baptised 1st Sept 1811 the son of John WILMOT and > Priscilla MARSHMAN who married at Thatcham on 17th July 1808. John & Priscilla Willmot are 'live and well' in Crookham, parish of Thatcham in 1851, john age 69 and Pricilla 71. A couple of sons Francis 29 & Isaac 27 are in their h/h, plus a grandson William age 5. All born Thatcham Stephen & Jemima and the other Wilmot(t)s are also in Crookham but I missed this earlier by not reading the description of the enumeration district. The other families include William Wilmot age 47 wife Mary Ann and 9 children, Henry Willmot 44, & wife Elizabeth, they have a nephew George Clinch age 10 in h/h, a John Wilmot age 17 is a lodger in h/h of Joseph (54) & Esther (54) Webb who were both born in Kingsclere. A couple of households away are Allens from Ecchinswell with a Webb as lodger also K'clere born. Next to the Alens are a Tidbury family There are several other Kingsclere born heads of household in Crookham. -- John Lewis <jayellatntlworlddotcom> from Bournemouth, Dorset, UK. using Debian GNU/Linux and GeneWeb genealogy software

Hello John Yes this does seem to be the same James, he gives his father as Stephen when he marries Caroline and the age matches with that he gives in the 1881 census when he says he was born in Crookham i.e. not a milllion miles from Thatcham. Stephen WILMOT seems to be the one on the IGI born Thatcham 25th July 1811 baptised 1st Sept 1811 the son of John WILMOT and Priscilla MARSHMAN who married at Thatcham on 17th July 1808. Regards Colin On Friday, September 12, 2003 5:01 PM, John Lewis wrote: > 1851 Census Thatcham > > Stephen WILMOT head 40 ag lab > Jemima wi 36 > Jacob so 17 ag lab > Mary da 13 scholar at haome > Francis so 9 ag lab > James so 7 scholar at home > Daniele so 4 scholar at hom > David so 2 > > all born Thatcham > > This is the only James in Thatcham in 1851 so could be the one who > married Caroline. Names are Willmot or Wilmot with several families, > Wilmot being most common. > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.516 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 01/09/2003

This message has been passed on to you. Looking for any FURSDON/HILL info Don Firsdon don-shrlky@juno.com

Looking for any FURSDON/HILL info Don Firsdon

On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 18:45:22 +0100 Colin Harris wrote: > The marriage of James WILMOTT and Caroline GIRDLER was actually in > Thatcham on 14th October 1869, I think the Newbury Sept 1869 > reference came from the original tree I sent you which was based on > the information on the tree I had sent to me which I have slowly > been verifying. James & Caroline are living in Reading Road, Finchampstead in 1881 with five children, including a David born in Kingsclere in 1867. Caroline's age is given as 39 and she is born Kingsclere In 1891 Walter Seymour and Caroline are living at Plastow Green with the yougest of the Wilmot children (Stephen born about Mar 1881 in Finchampstead) and two Seymour children Louise 6 and Albert 3. Caroline is now 50 years old and Walter just 37. So sometime between 1881 and 1885, James Wilmot died and Caroline Wilmot (nee Girdler) re-married but where? No trace of the marriage in the St. Mary or St. Paul registers. I have been trying to get into the FreeBMD site for the past few hours with no success. So does anyone have details of James' death & Caroline's second marriage please? -- John Lewis <jayellatntlworlddotcom> from Bournemouth, Dorset, UK. using Debian GNU/Linux and GeneWeb genealogy software

On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 18:45:22 +0100 Colin Harris wrote: > The marriage of James WILMOTT and Caroline GIRDLER was actually in > Thatcham on 14th October 1869, I think the Newbury Sept 1869 > reference came from the original tree I sent you which was based on > the information on the tree I had sent to me which I have slowly > been verifying. 1851 Census Thatcham Stephen WILMOT head 40 ag lab Jemima wi 36 Jacob so 17 ag lab Mary da 13 scholar at haome Francis so 9 ag lab James so 7 scholar at home Daniele so 4 scholar at hom David so 2 all born Thatcham This is the only James in Thatcham in 1851 so could be the one who married Caroline. Names are Willmot or Wilmot with several families, Wilmot being most common. -- John Lewis <jayellatntlworlddotcom> from Bournemouth, Dorset, UK. using Debian GNU/Linux and GeneWeb genealogy software

Hello All, I am looking for the birth/baptism date of Martha BRIDGMAN born about 1760 according to her death 28 years later. Martha was married to Joseph MILES 20 September 1780 in Kingsclere. I have looked in Kingsclere she is not there. Is anyone else researching this couple ? my 5 x great grandparents. Many thanks Regards Barbara Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants, UK BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk

On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 05:40:38 EDT DEBBIEKENNETT@aol.com wrote: > I wonder if Barbara or John could possibly have a look at the > Kingsclere registers to see if there is a burial record for David > TIDBURY. I now have a copy of his death certificate. He died in > North Sidmonton aged 84 years on 19th December 1867 so presumably > would have been buried shortly afterwards. I would also be > interested to know if there is a burial record for David's wife > Phoebe Tidbury who died some time after 1851 and probably before > 1861. Hello Debbie David Tidbury of Sydmonton buried on Dec 25 1867 age 82 years. Entry number 201. He would have been buried, I'm fairly certain, at St. Lawrence Ecchinswell as I don't think there was a burial ground at the church in Sydmonton Park Phoebe Tidbury of Sydmonton, age 56 buried at St. Lawrence on 17 May 1860 entry number 138 Also on same fiche, Ann Tidbury of Ecchinswell age 55 buried at St. Lawrence on 1 Jun 1857, entry number 120 > According to the death certificate David was a Chelsea pensioner but > so far I have not managed to find any evidence of his army service. > When his children Devine, Solomon, and David were baptised in > Greenham David Tidbury senior was a labourer. The other children > were all baptised at St Mary's, Kingsclere, but I don't seem to have > any record of David's occupation at the time of their baptism. Could > you possibly have a look at the registers and let me know what it > says about David's occupation? The four children born in Kingsclere > are: > > Mary Ann Tidbury, baptised 26 April 1832 of Ecchinswell, labourer > Joshua Tidbury, baptised 7th December 1834 of Ecchinswell, labourer > Joseph Tidbury, baptised 23 April 1838 of Sidmonton, labourer > Hannah Maria Tidbury, baptised 30 January 1842 of Ecchinswell, labourer I copied this for you: "It is important for you to establish what regiment he was in before searching WO 97. It is possible to find a pensioner who died prior to 1865 with only a name and date of death if you know where he died. The fact that he was a pensioner means that he would have been admitted to pension and would therefore be entered into all relevant pension registers. It is also more than likely that if he was discharged to pension prior to 1854, he could be located in the newly developing but not quite completed indexes to soldiers documents. On their own, they are not good enough since you can often have a man of the same name, similar age and same place of birth in the same regiment and whilst one may get a pension, the other may not. However, the indexes are a good starting point to get on with the proper research to establish if that is the right man. In that case, one can usually trace a man who died prior to 1875 and know that you have located the correct ancestor." HTH -- John Lewis <jayellatntlworlddotcom> from Bournemouth, Dorset, UK. using Debian GNU/Linux and GeneWeb genealogy software

On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 17:26:28 +0100 caroldolton wrote: > Where is Wasing with regards to Kingsclere et al.. Just across the Berks border between Brimpton and Aldermaston, so no distance at all from Ashford Hill. -- John Lewis <jayellatntlworlddotcom> from Bournemouth, Dorset, UK. using Debian GNU/Linux and GeneWeb genealogy software

John Many thanks for the burial records. I shall now be able to order a copy of Phoebe's death certificate. The Ann Tidbury buried at Ecchinswell in 1857 is probably the Ann Major who married Jeremiah Major (this is Glenn Mattingley's line). Jeremiah was the brother of my David. Thank you also for the most helpful information about the indexes at the PRO. As Tidbury is an unusual name it does look as though I should be able to locate his records via the indexes. I now just need to find the time to fit in a trip to the PRO. I also have to look up my gg grandfather George Tidbury who was in the Royal Marines, and my great grandfather George Napoleon Tidbury who was in the Royal Navy. Best wishes Debbie

Aha, So not of my family at all, unless he's from an earlier child born around Wootton St Lawrence, or who came from Sherborne. Still haven't got the Sherborne Regs yet, to look for James born c1745, my Fhc is having an extension done and don't know if they are staying open, so I might have to travel to Winchester. Where is Wasing with regards to Kingsclere et al.. And so the search goes on....... Thanks, regards, Carol ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Lewis" <jayell@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-KINGSCLERE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 3:12 PM Subject: Re: William DOLTON > On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 07:39:36 +0100 > caroldolton wrote: > > > Hi Barbara, > > I have seen this marriage before but thank you for sending me the > > details, which I didn't have. > > I don't know how he fits into the Dolton tree that I have though! > > Maybe he was the William born in 1785 to James and Fanny who I think > > married Sarah Wheeler at Newnham 1806. > > Need to look for a death of a Sarah Dolton between 1806 and 1815. > > Carol > > How about William & Jane who baptised James on 9 Dec 1810 and John on > 3 Oct 1813. No abode is given for the 1810 entry but Ashford Hill for > the 1813 one > > A Jane Dolton age 28 of Ashford Hill was buried at St. Mary on 2 Oct > 1813, she would have been born ca 1785. > > A John Dolton, inf was buried at Stratfield Saye on 19 Oct 1813 > according to the HBI but this may just be co-incidence > > The IGI has: > > William Dolton Birth: About 1782 Of, Wasing, Berkshire, England > Marriages: Jane Brown 28 SEP 1807 Basingstoke, Hampshire, England > > -- > John Lewis <jayellatntlworlddotcom> from Bournemouth, Dorset, UK. > using Debian GNU/Linux and GeneWeb genealogy software > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > >

On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 07:39:36 +0100 caroldolton wrote: > Hi Barbara, > I have seen this marriage before but thank you for sending me the > details, which I didn't have. > I don't know how he fits into the Dolton tree that I have though! > Maybe he was the William born in 1785 to James and Fanny who I think > married Sarah Wheeler at Newnham 1806. > Need to look for a death of a Sarah Dolton between 1806 and 1815. Carol How about William & Jane who baptised James on 9 Dec 1810 and John on 3 Oct 1813. No abode is given for the 1810 entry but Ashford Hill for the 1813 one A Jane Dolton age 28 of Ashford Hill was buried at St. Mary on 2 Oct 1813, she would have been born ca 1785. A John Dolton, inf was buried at Stratfield Saye on 19 Oct 1813 according to the HBI but this may just be co-incidence The IGI has: William Dolton Birth: About 1782 Of, Wasing, Berkshire, England Marriages: Jane Brown 28 SEP 1807 Basingstoke, Hampshire, England -- John Lewis <jayellatntlworlddotcom> from Bournemouth, Dorset, UK. using Debian GNU/Linux and GeneWeb genealogy software

Hi Barbara, I have seen this marriage before but thank you for sending me the details, which I didn't have. I don't know how he fits into the Dolton tree that I have though! Maybe he was the William born in 1785 to James and Fanny who I think married Sarah Wheeler at Newnham 1806. Need to look for a death of a Sarah Dolton between 1806 and 1815. Thanks again, regards, Carol ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Mallyon" <BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-KINGSCLERE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 10:03 PM Subject: William DOLTON > Hello Carol, > > Have you got this marriage:- > William DOLTON widower married to Rosannah ALLOWAY spinster by Banns at > St. Mary's Church, Kingsclere. Witnesses are Jacob ALLOWAY and Harriet > ALLOWAY 4 February 1815. As taken from the Parish Register. > > Regards > > Barbara Mallyon > Basingstoke, Hants, UK > BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > >