Joe, John, and list, For those who have been following the thread which has been progressing on and off list, Joe TWITCHIN is looking to prove or disprove a link between TWITCHER and WHITEAR, to TWITCHIN. It is assuming TWITCHER is a misrecording of TWITCHIN. In the 1851 census one Benjamin decides to be a TWITCHER but ten years before and ten years after he was a WHITEAR. The main TWITCHIN line is well researched and recorded. Joe (Single name study) and I (Hampshire ones) have the details if anybody needs information. What is new is that the DOWDEN who married Mary TWITCHIN b ca 1773 turns out to be the brother in law of Henry WHITEAR who married Catherine DOWDEN in 27 Nov 1798 at East Stratton and also the brother in law to Sarah WHITEAR who married William DOWDEN on the same day in a double wedding. All from large farms in the East Stratton and Micheldever and Deane area. There is an account of disturbance on the farm of Henry WHITEAR in the trial records of the 'Swing Riots'. Now we know the families are linked, but we are no wiser as to the parents of Benjamin WHITEAR/TWITCHER b ca 1806 Overton. John has reported a nil return form the Overton BT. While TWITCHIN is a Kingsclere name, I suspect this branch at the time of the start of the 19th century came from elsewhere. Later some of this branch did move into the Kingclere area. As John has indicated the name WHITEAR appears in Kingsclere, they were a wealthy family of millers and farmers (judging from the extensive trail of wills and admons in the CALM database) from central Hampshire between Winchester and Alton so would have been more mobile than the usual ag lab family at the time. Regards, Nigel

Hi Barbara and list, Very many thanks, glad to know we have Hannah with the correct parents. The other Kingsclere Woodland Wythes will be very helpful as I have to sort out the Ramsdell, Wotton St Lawrence (many many) and Basingstoke ones as well. Hannington has been completed since that is my own Wythe connection. It is a hunch my missing Wythe will be Ramsdell or Wotton so sorting out the others in the area all helps take it forward. One more item for the 'To do' list for the next trip to the Hampshire RO. As to WYATT; it is most likely WYATT as a separate family not a misrecording. Is anybody considering the WYATT family or claims them as their own? Regards Nigel On Thursday 05 April 2007 08:28:58 Barbara Mallyon wrote: > Hi Nigel and All, > > The baptism of Hannah is daughter of James and Sarah WYTHE of Plaistow > Green, occ Labourer on the 16 November 1845 Kingsclere. ref no.1489 > page 187. (John has 11 May 1845 ) > > Also found Agnes Brown daughter of Ann WYATT of Kingsclere Domestic > Servant 8 January 1843 ref 1234 Page 155

Hi John, Got the baptism of James on the microfiche reader now and James and Sarah Wythe are the parents. It does help to have the reference and page number for quick reference. Kind regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants. UK [email protected] ---- Original Message ----- From: "john lewis" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Cc: "Barbara Mallyon" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 9:27 AM Subject: Re: [King] WYTHE/GIRDLER/BRIDGMAN/JEWELL > On Thu, 5 Apr 2007 08:28:58 +0100 > "Barbara Mallyon" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> The baptism of Hannah is daughter of James and Sarah WYTHE of >> Plaistow Green, occ Labourer on the 16 November 1845 Kingsclere. >> ref no.1489 page 187. (John has 11 May 1845 ) > > Dunno how I got that baptism as May but it took me ages to agree > that > day was 16 and not 11. > >> Also found Agnes Brown daughter of Ann WYATT of Kingsclere Domestic >> Servant 8 January 1843 ref 1234 Page 155 > > Which Ann Wyat/Wyatt/Withe/Wythe do you think she is? > >> Baptism of Helen daughter of James and Sarah WYTHE of Plastow Green >> 27 June 1841 ref no.1086 page 136 > > I agree she is Helen in baptism records but she seems to be know as > Ellen Matilda North at her second marriage > >> " of James son of James and Sarah WYTHE Plaistow Green >> occ Labourer 24 March 1844 ref no. 1374 page 172 > > This should be son of Richard and Ann I think! > >> Baptism of James son of Richard and Ann Wythe of George Street, >> Kingsclere 30 June 1844 re no.1400 page 175 >> Baptism of Charles son of James and Sarah WYTHE Woodlands 1648 ref >> no.83 page 11 >> " of Clara daughter of James and Sarah WITHE Woodlands >> 8 October 1845 ref no.313 page 40 >> " of Eliza daughter of James and Sarah WYTHE of >> Woodlands Kingsclere occ Labourer 21 April 1850 ref no.148 page 19 > > Thanks for pointing me at some baptisms missing from my database > > -- > John Lewis > Debian Linux with Geneweb genealogy application

On Thu, 5 Apr 2007 08:28:58 +0100 "Barbara Mallyon" <[email protected]> wrote: > The baptism of Hannah is daughter of James and Sarah WYTHE of > Plaistow Green, occ Labourer on the 16 November 1845 Kingsclere. > ref no.1489 page 187. (John has 11 May 1845 ) Dunno how I got that baptism as May but it took me ages to agree that day was 16 and not 11. > Also found Agnes Brown daughter of Ann WYATT of Kingsclere Domestic > Servant 8 January 1843 ref 1234 Page 155 Which Ann Wyat/Wyatt/Withe/Wythe do you think she is? > Baptism of Helen daughter of James and Sarah WYTHE of Plastow Green > 27 June 1841 ref no.1086 page 136 I agree she is Helen in baptism records but she seems to be know as Ellen Matilda North at her second marriage > " of James son of James and Sarah WYTHE Plaistow Green > occ Labourer 24 March 1844 ref no. 1374 page 172 This should be son of Richard and Ann I think! > Baptism of James son of Richard and Ann Wythe of George Street, > Kingsclere 30 June 1844 re no.1400 page 175 > Baptism of Charles son of James and Sarah WYTHE Woodlands 1648 ref > no.83 page 11 > " of Clara daughter of James and Sarah WITHE Woodlands > 8 October 1845 ref no.313 page 40 > " of Eliza daughter of James and Sarah WYTHE of > Woodlands Kingsclere occ Labourer 21 April 1850 ref no.148 page 19 Thanks for pointing me at some baptisms missing from my database -- John Lewis Debian Linux with Geneweb genealogy application

Hi Nigel and All, The baptism of Hannah is daughter of James and Sarah WYTHE of Plaistow Green, occ Labourer on the 16 November 1845 Kingsclere. ref no.1489 page 187. (John has 11 May 1845 ) Also found Agnes Brown daughter of Ann WYATT of Kingsclere Domestic Servant 8 January 1843 ref 1234 Page 155 Baptism of Helen daughter of James and Sarah WYTHE of Plastow Green 27 June 1841 ref no.1086 page 136 " of James son of James and Sarah WYTHE Plaistow Green occ Labourer 24 March 1844 ref no. 1374 page 172 Baptism of James son of Richard and Ann Wythe of George Street, Kingsclere 30 June 1844 re no.1400 page 175 Baptism of Charles son of James and Sarah WYTHE Woodlands 1648 ref no.83 page 11 " of Clara daughter of James and Sarah WITHE Woodlands 8 October 1845 ref no.313 page 40 " of Eliza daughter of James and Sarah WYTHE of Woodlands Kingsclere occ Labourer 21 April 1850 ref no.148 page 19 For George ROSE have you got this Baptism Edwin illegitimate son of Maria ROSE of Union Workhouse Kingsclere pauper 21August 1844 ref no.1407 page 176 (The ROSE family are usually found in East Woodhay). Kind regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants. UK [email protected]

There must have been some contact between the two families as I see that William Complin TWITCHIN (1859) married Louisa WHITEAR at Alresford in 1897. All very interesting, Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nigel Gerdes" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 7:43 PM Subject: Re: [King] TWITCHER ?? Family > On Wednesday 04 April 2007 01:17:25 Joe Twitchin wrote: >> What a fascinating example of what happens with an incorrect >> transcription!! ....... I am glad that I entered it up for discussion and >> that the usual stalwarts on this list responded in their usual fashion!!. >> I will settle for WHITEAR of course and will probably post to the >> genforum >> board all that has transpired on this list as it may help someone there >> who >> has been wondering where his ancestors were in 1851. >> I'ts a relief for me to get this 'Benjamin' on the back burner. >> Thank you all. >> Old Joe >> > Joe and list, > > It has more potential yet so it may well be worth tracking down Benjamin > WHITEAR b ca 1806 Overton Hants to see who the father was. Overton is not > on > the IGI so it may need somebody with access to the PR's to check. For > reasons > indicated below also a check of East Stratton and Micheldever. > > A very quick look at the Hampshire RO CALM database showed WHITEAR were a > long > established Hampshire Yeoman Family. At the same time as TWITCHIN were in > the > area there were WHITEAR of the same social class i.e. yeoman farmers at > East > Stratton next to Micheldever. All close to Overton. Overton for them > would > have been the local centre and the population density in the area, still > to > this day, is very low for Southern England. It looks like one Henry > WHITEAR > took over a large farm at East Stratton from his (maybe) widowed mother > Sarah > in 1808. Benjamin was a name often used in the WHITEAR families. The folk > on > the WHITEAR list seem to have done a great deal of research so they may be > able to help very quickly and prove or disprove a connection to TWITCHIN > perhaps with a WHITEAR mother and a TWITCHIN father. > > Regards, > > Nigel > > PS CALM Search page (used WHITEAR) > > http://calm.hants.gov.uk/DServeA/search.htm > > [ 44 ] 1798AD/62 Administration and bond of Sarah Whitear of East > Stratton, > Hampshire, widow 1798 > > Level Item > FindingNo 10M65/3 > Title Lease for 14 years: messuage and land in East Stratton and > Micheldever (416 acres, 1 rood, 9 perches), with tithes > Date 10 Nov 1808 > Description i) Sir Francis Baring of Stratton Park > ii) Henry Whitear of East Stratton, yeoman > ---------------------------------------- >>From Kingsclere.If you get unsubscribed and did not ask to be >>unsubscribed, please contact List Admin. > ---------------------------------------- > Changing your Email address, > unsubscribe with your old address and Subscribe to the List with your new > email address. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.25/745 - Release Date: 3/04/2007 > 12:48 PM > >

Hi all, Does anybody know what became of Sarah SMITH b 1824 Plastow Green, Kingsclere, after the 1881 census? in the 1881 she was recorded as Sarah BOLTON living in St Pancras and widowed with two unmarried sons James BOLTON b ca 1853 Brimpton, Berks and George BOLTON b ca 1861 Aldermaston, Berks . There is a FreeBMD death in Pancras in 1895 for a Sarah Ann Bolton but the age is given as 56 which is a long way out. No sign of her in the 1891 or 1901 census. James BOLTON and family I have found in the 1901. George BOLTON and family found in the 1891. She was the daughter of Jacob and Ann SMITH and she married first Andrew GIRDLER and after he died married William BOLTON. She had recorded four sons in all. Two sons in each marriage. Last sighting of her is in the 1901 census in Middlesex. What happened to her son Henry GIRDLER is also a mystery. Her father Jacob is my great great great grandfather. Her other son Edwin GIRDLER has been traced. Any present day GIRDLER or BOLTON family members who have a line from Sarah? Regards, Nigel Gerdes

On Wed, 4 Apr 2007 10:43:51 +0100 Nigel Gerdes <[email protected]> wrote: > is very low for Southern England. It looks like one Henry WHITEAR > took over a large farm at East Stratton from his (maybe) widowed > mother Sarah in 1808. Whilst looking at the IGI I checked on Henry Whitear and found a marriage at East Stratton to Catherine Dowden on 27 Nov 1798. This marriage didn't appear in the BT's for East Stratton for that year or 1799, (1797 missing). A Sarah Whiteare was buried on 2 Jun 1798, same place but there are no male burials in East Stratton on the HBI. -- John Lewis Debian Linux with Geneweb genealogy application

On Wed, 4 Apr 2007 10:43:51 +0100 Nigel Gerdes <[email protected]> wrote: > It has more potential yet so it may well be worth tracking down > Benjamin WHITEAR b ca 1806 Overton Hants to see who the father was. > Overton is not on the IGI so it may need somebody with access to > the PR's to check. For reasons indicated below also a check of East > Stratton and Micheldever. I looked for Benjamin Whitear on the Overton BTs but there isn't one recorded. No Benjamins of any sort in fact 1800-1810. > A very quick look at the Hampshire RO CALM database showed WHITEAR > were a long established Hampshire Yeoman Family. At the same time > as TWITCHIN were in the area there were WHITEAR of the same social > class i.e. yeoman farmers at East Stratton next to Micheldever. All > close to Overton. Overton for them would have been the local > centre and the population density in the area, still to this day, > is very low for Southern England. It looks like one Henry WHITEAR > took over a large farm at East Stratton from his (maybe) widowed > mother Sarah in 1808. Benjamin was a name often used in the WHITEAR > families. The folk on the WHITEAR list seem to have done a great > deal of research so they may be able to help very quickly and prove > or disprove a connection to TWITCHIN perhaps with a WHITEAR mother > and a TWITCHIN father. Henry & Catherine Whitear of East Stratton baptised George 1801, Thomas 1804, William and Anthony in 1808 but no Benajmin No Whitear in Micheldever tho' there were several Twitchin entries. IGI does have Benjamin Whitear bapt. 27 Jul 1808 at Medstead to Benjamin Whitear and Elizabeth Budd who married at Medstead on 15 Jan 1800, so no obvious link to Twitchin there. -- John Lewis Debian Linux with Geneweb genealogy application

On Wednesday 04 April 2007 01:17:25 Joe Twitchin wrote: > What a fascinating example of what happens with an incorrect > transcription!! ....... I am glad that I entered it up for discussion and > that the usual stalwarts on this list responded in their usual fashion!!. > I will settle for WHITEAR of course and will probably post to the genforum > board all that has transpired on this list as it may help someone there who > has been wondering where his ancestors were in 1851. > I'ts a relief for me to get this 'Benjamin' on the back burner. > Thank you all. > Old Joe > Joe and list, It has more potential yet so it may well be worth tracking down Benjamin WHITEAR b ca 1806 Overton Hants to see who the father was. Overton is not on the IGI so it may need somebody with access to the PR's to check. For reasons indicated below also a check of East Stratton and Micheldever. A very quick look at the Hampshire RO CALM database showed WHITEAR were a long established Hampshire Yeoman Family. At the same time as TWITCHIN were in the area there were WHITEAR of the same social class i.e. yeoman farmers at East Stratton next to Micheldever. All close to Overton. Overton for them would have been the local centre and the population density in the area, still to this day, is very low for Southern England. It looks like one Henry WHITEAR took over a large farm at East Stratton from his (maybe) widowed mother Sarah in 1808. Benjamin was a name often used in the WHITEAR families. The folk on the WHITEAR list seem to have done a great deal of research so they may be able to help very quickly and prove or disprove a connection to TWITCHIN perhaps with a WHITEAR mother and a TWITCHIN father. Regards, Nigel PS CALM Search page (used WHITEAR) http://calm.hants.gov.uk/DServeA/search.htm [ 44 ] 1798AD/62 Administration and bond of Sarah Whitear of East Stratton, Hampshire, widow 1798 Level Item FindingNo 10M65/3 Title Lease for 14 years: messuage and land in East Stratton and Micheldever (416 acres, 1 rood, 9 perches), with tithes Date 10 Nov 1808 Description i) Sir Francis Baring of Stratton Park ii) Henry Whitear of East Stratton, yeoman

What a fascinating example of what happens with an incorrect transcription!! ....... I am glad that I entered it up for discussion and that the usual stalwarts on this list responded in their usual fashion!!. I will settle for WHITEAR of course and will probably post to the genforum board all that has transpired on this list as it may help someone there who has been wondering where his ancestors were in 1851. I'ts a relief for me to get this 'Benjamin' on the back burner. Thank you all. Old Joe

Hi Denis, Taken from Carol LAWRENCE family tree. Children of Francis and Esther JEWELL. Henry 1863 died 1932 married Fanny FOSTER John 1863 died 1935 Frederick 1863 died Oct 1936 married Sally Ann FOSTER Albert 1872 married Ann Marie ALDRIDGE Isaac 1872 Elizabeth Martha 1875 died 1957 married Frederick HAWKINS Frank 1876 died 1960 married Lilian Ann DIANES Walter 1879 died 1966 married Elizabeth HISCOCK Ellen 1881 married Frank HISCOCK Ada 1884 married Henry HISCOCK If you need any further information on any of the children, please let me know.All of this information needs to be checked out. Kind regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants. UK [email protected] Original Message ----- From: "Denis R. Hamilton" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 12:28 PM Hello Barbara You mention Carol LAWRENCE's Family Tree and ten children to Francis & Esther - I have nine. I will post what I have on the Site and await a reply. Kind regards Denis

Thank you John ....... I somehow knew that you would respond. I am fortunate enough to have some background from an avid researcher (since deceased) who worked diligently on the Twitchin's in Hampshire and the detail I have (from parish records) indicates that the parents of Elizabeth Ann 1781;Andrew 1783 and William 1783 were Andrew and Sarah (nee Brown) who were married at Overton 26 Oct 1778 so that fits with the BT's. I wonder what happened to the family 'TWITCHER' at Tichborne after 1851? Did they just vapourise .......... this game presents so many mysteries !! There was a Benjamin born at Newbury 1807 who would have been linked to this line from my records and I wonder if this is the patriarch of the TWITCHER's because they did 'border hop' between Newbury and Kingsclere. Very old Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "john lewis" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 6:30 PM Subject: Re: [King] TWITCHER ?? Family > On Tue, 3 Apr 2007 12:41:44 +1000 > "Joe Twitchin" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> They've got to be members of the TWITCHE/IN clan but where do they >> fit? Only decent clue seems to be the birth at Overton of the >> father Benjamin which would have been about 1807. >> I have a few births recorded in Overton for TWITCHIN's between 1779 >> and 1785 to two brothers TWITCHIN namely Andrew who married Sarah >> (nee BROWN) and Richard who married Sarah (nee WEBB) so who were >> the parents of the above Benjamin is hard to determine. > > I looked at Bishop's Transcripts for Overton and there is no sign of > Benjamin being baptised there. The only Twitchens I found are much > earlier and are the ones you probably have > > 1781 Elizabeth Ann baptised > 1783 Andrew baptised > 1783 William baptised > No parents recorded in the BTs for the above > 1783 Richard married Sarah Webb > 23 Dec 1789 Mary, infant buried > > -- > John Lewis > Debian Linux with Geneweb genealogy application > ---------------------------------------- >>From Kingsclere.If you get unsubscribed and did not ask to be >>unsubscribed, please contact List Admin. > ---------------------------------------- > Changing your Email address, > unsubscribe with your old address and Subscribe to the List with your new > email address. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.25/743 - Release Date: 2/04/2007 > 4:24 PM > >

On Mon, 2 Apr 2007 17:11:13 +0100 john lewis <[email protected]> wrote: > I'll now have a look for an Esther bapt ca 1845 to Thomas & > Elizabeth and make sure I haven't missed any other children in the > process. FreeBMD has this entry: Births Dec 1844: BUTLER Esther, Kingsclere 7 99 but there is no corresponding baptism at St. Mary nor for any other children of Thomas & Elizabeth between Helen 1837 and Daniel 1847. It is possible she was baptised in the Methodist Chapel at Ashford Hill. There was an Ellen Butler of Fair Oak buried 30 May 1840 age 2 yrs 6 mths who is probably Helen since she doesn't appear in the 1851 Census. -- John Lewis Debian Linux with Geneweb genealogy application

Peter Goff wrote: >Hi Joe > >This makes it even worse. > >In 1861 census at Tichborne there is a family >Benjamin WHITEAR born Overton 54 >Olive born Easton 53 >George born Tichborne 27 >Henry born Tichborne 23 >Frank born Tichborne 11 > >..... > > >Peter G > > > > > >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: [email protected] >>>[mailto:[email protected]] On >>>Behalf Of Joe Twitchin >>>Sent: 03 April 2007 03:42 >>>To: [email protected] >>>Subject: [King] TWITCHER ?? Family >>> >>> >>>I know that I am a pest at times and try hard at not being >>>so ..... believe >>>me!! >>>Latest problem is that I found in 1851 census a TWITCHER >>>family at Tichborne >>>Parish.......... now this has got to be a mistranscription (not >>>unusual)..... details as follows; >>>HO 107 1678 Page 19 (I think .. hard to read); >>>Benjamin born Overton aged 44 >>>Olive born Easton 43 >>>Children all born Tichborne >>>George 16 >>>Henry 13 >>>Jane 10 >>>John 9 >>>Charlotte 7 >>>Mary 4 >>>Ann 3 >>>Frank 1 >>> >>>I cant find any of them in subsequent censuses. >>>Did they really exist? >>>Did they emigrate? >>>Did the aliens get them? >>>Were they massacred? >>> >>> >Hi all, > > A quick Google yielded: *Re: Whitears/Preston.Candover/UK* *Posted by: *VIRGINIA LEACY PRICE <http://genforum.genealogy.com/cgi-genforum/email.cgi?072975537> *Date: *October 01, 2001 at 03:53:05 *In Reply to: *Whitears/Preston.Candover/UK <http://genforum.genealogy.com/whitear/messages/1.html> by Tom Whitman of 20 Dear Tom I am descendent from a Thomas Whitear, b. about 1620 in Salisbury England,through his greatgrand son Benjamin Whitear, the name was changed to Whittier in about the 1850 or so. Any information on this line would be welcome I have some possible earlier names without any documentaion, that a cousin gave me. hope to hear from you Virginia There is a lot more on: http://genforum.genealogy.com/whitear/ I suggest vocalised in a strong Hampshire accent, Twitcher and Whittier are not too far apart, may be? Regards, Nigel

I know that I am a pest at times and try hard at not being so ..... believe me!! Latest problem is that I found in 1851 census a TWITCHER family at Tichborne Parish.......... now this has got to be a mistranscription (not unusual)..... details as follows; HO 107 1678 Page 19 (I think .. hard to read); Benjamin born Overton aged 44 Olive born Easton 43 Children all born Tichborne George 16 Henry 13 Jane 10 John 9 Charlotte 7 Mary 4 Ann 3 Frank 1 I cant find any of them in subsequent censuses. Did they really exist? Did they emigrate? Did the aliens get them? Were they massacred? They've got to be members of the TWITCHE/IN clan but where do they fit? Only decent clue seems to be the birth at Overton of the father Benjamin which would have been about 1807. I have a few births recorded in Overton for TWITCHIN's between 1779 and 1785 to two brothers TWITCHIN namely Andrew who married Sarah (nee BROWN) and Richard who married Sarah (nee WEBB) so who were the parents of the above Benjamin is hard to determine. Sorry about this but does anyone have any thoughts about this family? Old Joe

John Thomas & Elizabeth BUTLER are under these Census enteries: 1851 HO107/1684 Folio 253 Page 2 1861 RG9/718 Folio 99 Page 2 Denis

Hello Barbara Just to apologise for my errors, hope you were not toooo angry with me. I appear not to be concentrating properly at the moment, have much on my plate but trying to snatch some time on F.H. At least when there is a dispute on the Kingsclere Site it does bring forth other peoples opinion's - I have found a few mistakes on John's Website but noone is perfect in this game as I have found over the years. You mention Carol LAWRENCE's Family Tree and ten children to Francis & Esther - I have nine. I will post what I have on the Site and await a reply. I did not realise one had to ask for a Name Of The Month, I thought it was just your choice. Therefore can I ask for EDWARDS for a future name. Kind regards Denis

Hi Joe This makes it even worse. In 1861 census at Tichborne there is a family Benjamin WHITEAR born Overton 54 Olive born Easton 53 George born Tichborne 27 Henry born Tichborne 23 Frank born Tichborne 11 Ages and fornames agree with those of Twitcher (it is definitely Twitcher on the enumerator sheet) in 1851 census. Several of the other 1851 children also appear as Whitear living away from home. Enumerator got it wrong in 1851???? Think of the trouble researchers of Whitear will have. I wonder who the Twitcher's actually were. Going back to 1841 they again appear as Whitear. In 1871 Olive Whitear (widow) and Frank living still in Tichborne Peter G > >-----Original Message----- > >From: [email protected] > >[mailto:[email protected]] On > >Behalf Of Joe Twitchin > >Sent: 03 April 2007 03:42 > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: [King] TWITCHER ?? Family > > > > > >I know that I am a pest at times and try hard at not being > >so ..... believe > >me!! > >Latest problem is that I found in 1851 census a TWITCHER > >family at Tichborne > >Parish.......... now this has got to be a mistranscription (not > >unusual)..... details as follows; > >HO 107 1678 Page 19 (I think .. hard to read); > >Benjamin born Overton aged 44 > >Olive born Easton 43 > >Children all born Tichborne > >George 16 > >Henry 13 > >Jane 10 > >John 9 > >Charlotte 7 > >Mary 4 > >Ann 3 > >Frank 1 > > > >I cant find any of them in subsequent censuses. > >Did they really exist? > >Did they emigrate? > >Did the aliens get them? > >Were they massacred?

Hi Joe, Sorry but the National Burial Index 3rd edition has a burial in 1814 on 3 Sept, St Nicholas, Newbury age 7 of a Benjamin Twitchin so he is not the one you are looking for. Regards, Nigel Joe Twitchin wrote: >There was a Benjamin born at Newbury 1807 who would have been linked to this >line from my records and I wonder if this is the patriarch of the TWITCHER's >because they did 'border hop' between Newbury and Kingsclere. >Very old Joe > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "john lewis" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 6:30 PM >Subject: Re: [King] TWITCHER ?? Family > > > > >>On Tue, 3 Apr 2007 12:41:44 +1000 >>"Joe Twitchin" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >