Hi Dorothy, Baptism of Henry Charles HISCOCK son of Daniel HISCOCK and Sarah 24 April 1864 Kingsclere Baptism of Herbert Sidney George HISCOCK son of Daniel HISCOCK and Sarah 31 March 1875 batch no. J014643 Baptism of Elmer daughter of Ambrose HITCHCOCK and Hannah 16 July 1843 Kingsclere batch number J014643 Kind regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants. UK [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dorothy Jones" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 11:28 PM Subject: [King] HISCOCK Henry Charles born c1912 > For want of further information, John has attributed this > lad as son of Henry Charles HISCOCK who married Lucy > RABBITS. However, FreeBMD gives details 4Q 1911 of Henry C > HISCOCK Kingsclere 2c 479 with mother's maiden name COOPER. > A search of the Marriages Index locates a marriage 1Q 1909 > between Frederick HISCOCK and Ellen Beatrice COOPER. Sadly, > Fred died in action in WW1. > > In FreeBMD Violet A. HISCOCK born 1Q 1913 Kingsclere 2c 483 > is also recorded with mother's maiden name COOPER; as is > Ivy B[eatrice] COOPER registered 3Q 1915 Kingsclere 2c 448. > There are likely to have been elder children also of the > marriage but pre-December 1911 mothers' maiden names are not > recorded. 'Listers' may recall when reporting the Ashford > Hill Primitive Methodist marriages I was uneasy with the > HISCOCK entries that showed unnamed father merely > 'deceased'. It now appears that these were probably Fred's > children. > > Henry Charles HISCOCK and Lucy [nee RABBITS] did have a son > named Henry Charles but, according to the Census Register of > Children under the Elementary Education Act 1876, [HRO Ref: > PL111 11/37], his date of birth was 22 Jun 1898. They also > had a son Ernest William HISCOCK regd 1Q 1904 who married > Hilda Florence SMITH, dau of George, at Kingsclere St Mary's > 12 Dec 1936. >

I tried the CALM database and found details of Resignation of Edward Bulkley, Woodlands, St Paul, 13 Sep 1900. It could be worth a trawl of the Times Digital Archive, using the variant spellings. Dorothy J. ----- Original Message ----- From: "john lewis" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 8:04 PM Subject: Re: [King] The Bulkeley family at Kingsclere House, late 19th century > On Sat, 7 Apr 2007 17:59:08 +0100 > "Peter Goff" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi John (and Kingsclere Listers who might be able to >> help) >> >> One slight error in that the Bulkeley family lived in >> Knightsbridge >> House, on the Hampshire/Berkshire border about 3 miles >> from >> Kingsclere towards Newbury. > > I have a small twiglet on my website at > > http://startx.co.uk:2317/Kingsclere?m=NG&n=Bulkely&t=N > > Edward Bulkley having been Vicar of Kingsclere Woodlands > from 186ish - > 1902 > > -- > John Lewis > Debian Linux with Geneweb genealogy application > ---------------------------------------- >>From Kingsclere.If you get unsubscribed and did not ask to >>be unsubscribed, please contact List Admin. > ---------------------------------------- > Changing your Email address, > unsubscribe with your old address and Subscribe to the > List with your new email address. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the > word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message >

On Sat, 7 Apr 2007 17:59:08 +0100 "Peter Goff" <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi John (and Kingsclere Listers who might be able to help) > > One slight error in that the Bulkeley family lived in Knightsbridge > House, on the Hampshire/Berkshire border about 3 miles from > Kingsclere towards Newbury. I have a small twiglet on my website at http://startx.co.uk:2317/Kingsclere?m=NG&n=Bulkely&t=N Edward Bulkley having been Vicar of Kingsclere Woodlands from 186ish - 1902 -- John Lewis Debian Linux with Geneweb genealogy application

Hi John (and Kingsclere Listers who might be able to help) One slight error in that the Bulkeley family lived in Knightsbridge House, on the Hampshire/Berkshire border about 3 miles from Kingsclere towards Newbury. The birth records for Nora and Ida are availble from British Columbia Vital Indexes http://search.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/sn-B00F82/gbsearch/Births . You can purchase copies of their birth certificates which are emailed to you almost immediately. This would give you their parents names and also the fathers occupation and possibly his place of birth. They were born in Nanaimo, which is on Vancouver Island. The family are tracable through the census's although the spelling of the name varies slightly. 1851 - lived in South parade, Chelsea. Edward - born London - c1804 Mary - born Essex - c1805 Several children, Edward, George, Joseph and Thomas. Edward was born in Huton, Essex in 1834. To find the parnets marriage you will have to find it in the Essex Parish registers. In 1861 the Mary together with Thomas were living in Field gate, Kingsclere. No sign of husband Edward or other children. In 1871 Mary with son George and others in East Woodhay. In 1881 back in Kingsclere - with son Joseph a farmer. I have copied this to the Kingsclere Rootsweb list. I bet others will be able to help you futher. Regards Peter G > >-----Original Message----- > >From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > >Sent: 07 April 2007 12:39 > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: The Bulkeley family at Kingsclere House, late 19th century > > > > > >Dear Peter Goff, > > Finding by accident your interesting site about > >Kingsclere, Hants., I > >am writing to inquire whether you know anything about the > >Bulkeley family at > >Kingsclere House. What interests me is that in 1891 two > >grandchildren of > >Mary Bulkeley (Ida May aged 15 and Nora aged 14) were with > >her there and > >they were both born in British Columbia. Two older > >grandchildren, however, > >were born in India: Annette M. Bulkeley aged 22 and Helen M. > >Bulkeley aged > >21. The grandmother Mary Bulkeley is cited in the 1891 > >census as a widow > >born at Hutton, Essex, and living with them all. What I > >would like to know > >is her husband's name and who the parents were who lived in > >India and in > >British Columbia. Navy? Army? > > In British Columbia there is a valley in the north, > >east of Prince > >Rupert, called "the Bulkeley Valley" which may be connected > >in some way. > > Don't wish to burden you will irrelevancies but would > >appreciate any > >information about the family at Kingsclere House. > > Yours etc., > > John Bosher > >[email protected] > >Ottawa, Ontario > > > > > >

Thanks, Barbara. I'm interspersing some HISCOCK marriages discovered in the process: 3Q 1912 Sidney J. HISCOCK/Florence HEDGES > St. Paul's Church Kingsclere Woodlands. Baptism Harriet > Gwendoline > daughter of Sidney John and Florence HISCOCK of Kingsclere > Woodlands > occ labourer 21 October 1912 ref 1549 page 194 4Q 1900 William HISCOCK/Florence Louisa DRY > Baptism of George Edward HISCOCK son of William and > Florence Louisa > HISCOCK 6 January 1907 ref 1335 page 167 2Q 1911 Frank HISCOCK/Ellen JEWELL > Baptism of Edward Frank son of Frank and Ellen HISCOCK of > Lower House, > Kingsclere occ Carter 16 July 1911 ref 1437 page 180 4Q 1910 Andrew HISCOCK/Minnie L. EVANS > Baptism of Andrew son of Andrew and Minnie Louisa HISCOCK > of The Dell, > Kingsclere 14 March 1913 ref 1463 page 1913 > > Baptism of Ellen Matilda daughter of Andrew and Minnie > Louisa HISCOCK > of The Dell, Kingsclere 5th April 1914 ref 1489 page 187 also 4Q 1902 Albert William HISCOCK/Ellen ENGLEFIELD 2Q 1905 Henry HISCOCK/Ada JEWELL 4Q 1911 Ernest George HISCOCK/Maud JACKSON

Hi Dorothy and All, St. Paul's Church Kingsclere Woodlands. Baptism Harriet Gwendoline daughter of Sidney John and Florence HISCOCK of Kingsclere Woodlands occ labourer 21 October 1912 ref 1549 page 194 St. Mary's Church, Kingsclere. Baptism of Ernest Arthur son of Edward and Ellen EDWARDS of The Marsh, Kingsclere occ Groom 4 November 1906 ref 1329 page 167 Baptism of George Edward HISCOCK son of William and Florence Louisa HISCOCK 6 January 1907 ref 1335 page 167 Baptism of Albert William son of Bertie and Alice WYTHE of Polhampton Cottages, Overton 18 April 1909 ref 1386 page 174 Baptism of Amy Alice daughter of Edward and Ellen EDWARDS of The Dell Kingsclere 17 July 1910 ref page 177 no.1411 Baptism Albert son of Edward and Ellen EDWARDS note to say born 2 February 1908 of The Dell, Kingsclere occ labourer 25 November 1910 ref 1419 page 178 Baptism of Edward Frank son of Frank and Ellen HISCOCK of Lower House, Kingsclere occ Carter 16 July 1911 ref 1437 page 180 Baptism Ernest Edward son of Elizabeth Ellen PROUT of Headley 17 March 1912 ref 1444 page 181 Baptism of Andrew son of Andrew and Minnie Louisa HISCOCK of The Dell, Kingsclere 14 March 1913 ref 1463 page 1913 Baptism of Ellen Matilda daughter of Andrew and Minnie Louisa HISCOCK of The Dell, Kingsclere 5th April 1914 ref 1489 page 187 Kind regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants. UK [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dorothy Jones" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 11:28 PM Subject: [King] HISCOCK Henry Charles born c1912 > For want of further information, John has attributed this > lad as son of Henry Charles HISCOCK who married Lucy > RABBITS. However, FreeBMD gives details 4Q 1911 of Henry C > HISCOCK Kingsclere 2c 479 with mother's maiden name COOPER. > A search of the Marriages Index locates a marriage 1Q 1909 > between Frederick HISCOCK and Ellen Beatrice COOPER. Sadly, > Fred died in action in WW1. > > In FreeBMD Violet A. HISCOCK born 1Q 1913 Kingsclere 2c 483 > is also recorded with mother's maiden name COOPER; as is > Ivy B[eatrice] COOPER registered 3Q 1915 Kingsclere 2c 448. > There are likely to have been elder children also of the > marriage but pre-December 1911 mothers' maiden names are not > recorded. 'Listers' may recall when reporting the Ashford > Hill Primitive Methodist marriages I was uneasy with the > HISCOCK entries that showed unnamed father merely > 'deceased'. It now appears that these were probably Fred's > children. > > Henry Charles HISCOCK and Lucy [nee RABBITS] did have a son > named Henry Charles but, according to the Census Register of > Children under the Elementary Education Act 1876, [HRO Ref: > PL111 11/37], his date of birth was 22 Jun 1898. They also > had a son Ernest William HISCOCK regd 1Q 1904 who married > Hilda Florence SMITH, dau of George, at Kingsclere St Mary's > 12 Dec 1936.

For want of further information, John has attributed this lad as son of Henry Charles HISCOCK who married Lucy RABBITS. However, FreeBMD gives details 4Q 1911 of Henry C HISCOCK Kingsclere 2c 479 with mother's maiden name COOPER. A search of the Marriages Index locates a marriage 1Q 1909 between Frederick HISCOCK and Ellen Beatrice COOPER. Sadly, Fred died in action in WW1. In FreeBMD Violet A. HISCOCK born 1Q 1913 Kingsclere 2c 483 is also recorded with mother's maiden name COOPER; as is Ivy B[eatrice] COOPER registered 3Q 1915 Kingsclere 2c 448. There are likely to have been elder children also of the marriage but pre-December 1911 mothers' maiden names are not recorded. 'Listers' may recall when reporting the Ashford Hill Primitive Methodist marriages I was uneasy with the HISCOCK entries that showed unnamed father merely 'deceased'. It now appears that these were probably Fred's children. Henry Charles HISCOCK and Lucy [nee RABBITS] did have a son named Henry Charles but, according to the Census Register of Children under the Elementary Education Act 1876, [HRO Ref: PL111 11/37], his date of birth was 22 Jun 1898. They also had a son Ernest William HISCOCK regd 1Q 1904 who married Hilda Florence SMITH, dau of George, at Kingsclere St Mary's 12 Dec 1936.

In layman's terms, Thomas was a second surety. In the event that the child became chargeable to the parish, there was a bond upon which the father and/or the second surety were liable to pay charges incurred for the care of the child. If you 'Google' the words Bastardy Bonds you will find several good sources with explanations. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Wood" <[email protected]> To: "Kingsclere" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 6:25 PM Subject: [King] [king] Rabbitts & Taylor I read the following from Barbara with interest: Bastardy Bonds Phoebe RABBITTS single woman gave birth to a male child (not named) William TAYLOR father servant and Thomas TAYLOR, labourer both of Kingsclere £40 1775 I know that William Taylor & Phoebe Rabbitts were married on the 9 April 1775 and their son, also William, was baptised on 22 April 1775. Presumably he was born out of wedlock and therefore was a Bastard. I surmise that William the father had to pay £40 to the parish for some reason, but I do not understand the significance of Thomas Taylor. Can anybody confirm that my thoughts are correct and explain the Bastardy Bonds. Thanks Jim ---------------------------------------- >From Kingsclere.If you get unsubscribed and did not ask to >be unsubscribed, please contact List Admin. ---------------------------------------- Changing your Email address, unsubscribe with your old address and Subscribe to the List with your new email address. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I read the following from Barbara with interest: Bastardy Bonds Phoebe RABBITTS single woman gave birth to a male child (not named) William TAYLOR father servant and Thomas TAYLOR, labourer both of Kingsclere £40 1775 I know that William Taylor & Phoebe Rabbitts were married on the 9 April 1775 and their son, also William, was baptised on 22 April 1775. Presumably he was born out of wedlock and therefore was a Bastard. I surmise that William the father had to pay £40 to the parish for some reason, but I do not understand the significance of Thomas Taylor. Can anybody confirm that my thoughts are correct and explain the Bastardy Bonds. Thanks Jim

On Fri, 6 Apr 2007 10:12:15 +0100 (BST) Elizabeth Adams <[email protected]> wrote: > Quite a lot of WHITEARs on the FFHS site for > Berkshire. > Apologies if you all know that?! Thanks Elizabeth, I haven't finished trying to sort out Hampshire ones yet :-) -- John Lewis Debian Linux with Geneweb genealogy application

Quite a lot of WHITEARs on the FFHS site for Berkshire. Apologies if you all know that?! Elizabeth ___________________________________________________________ New Yahoo! Mail is the ultimate force in competitive emailing. Find out more at the Yahoo! Mail Championships. Plus: play games and win prizes. http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://mail.yahoo.net/uk

----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin Haris" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 6:01 PM Subject: [King] GIRDLER family > Hello all, > > > > Having seen GIRDLER being selected as name of the month, I thought I had > better update my web pages about the family, they can be viewed at: > > > > http://www.colin.harris4.btinternet.co.uk/gurdlerfamily/home.html > > > > The spelling variant GURDLER is used throughout as this is the spelling > which was used for my direct line of the family. > > > > If anybody spots any errors please let me know. > > > > In answer to Nigel's question about Henry GIRDLER, his name mutated into > GERDLER and details about him are included in the relevant pages that can > be > accessed via the above link. > > > > Regards > > > > Colin Harris > > > > > > E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.177) > Database version: 5.07040 > http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ > ---------------------------------------- >>From Kingsclere.If you get unsubscribed and did not ask to be >>unsubscribed, please contact List Admin. > ---------------------------------------- > Changing your Email address, > unsubscribe with your old address and Subscribe to the List with your new > email address. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Colin, Thank you for the Girdler website address. You have done a lot of work there. My link is Lucy 1801 who married Thomas Butler of Bucklebury. We do, however, have some differences regarding 1/ their dau Sarah 1828 and 2/ their son Charles 1833 which we can perhaps sort out privately, rather than boring people. Regards Vicki ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin Haris" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 6:01 PM Subject: [King] GIRDLER family > Hello all, > > > > Having seen GIRDLER being selected as name of the month, I thought I had > better update my web pages about the family, they can be viewed at: > > > > http://www.colin.harris4.btinternet.co.uk/gurdlerfamily/home.html > > > > The spelling variant GURDLER is used throughout as this is the spelling > which was used for my direct line of the family. > > > > If anybody spots any errors please let me know. > > > > In answer to Nigel's question about Henry GIRDLER, his name mutated into > GERDLER and details about him are included in the relevant pages that can > be > accessed via the above link. > > > > Regards > > > > Colin Harris > > > > > > E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.177) > Database version: 5.07040 > http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ > ---------------------------------------- >>From Kingsclere.If you get unsubscribed and did not ask to be >>unsubscribed, please contact List Admin. > ---------------------------------------- > Changing your Email address, > unsubscribe with your old address and Subscribe to the List with your new > email address. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Mallyon" <[email protected]> To: "Nigel Gerdes " <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 10:10 PM Subject: Re: [King] WYTHE/GIRDLER/BRIDGMAN/JEWELL 'Snipped' > Settlement Examinations (Interviewed by the Parish > Council) > William WYTHE, wife Elizabeth and children William 7, > Sarah 5, > Elizabeth 3, John age 1 from Aldermaston, Berks in 1780 > Removal Orders from Kingsclere back to Aldermaston 1780 > Note. They were not given permission to live in Kingsclere > and had to > go back to Aldermaston where they came from. There appears to be a misunderstanding concerning Settlement Examinations. These were statements sworn before Justices of the Peace to whom the Parish Overseers conducted the poor unfortunates who had fallen on hard times and had applied for relief. Often the statements resulted in the examinants being expelled from their parish of birth to a place where it was considered they had subsequently obtained legal settlement via work or apprenticeship. Parish Councils were not created until the Local Government Act 1894, in an effort to infuse more vitality into parishes which had declined in importance following the loss of their Poor Law functions in 1834. Dorothy J.

Thank you Barbara for the information about Edwin ROSE, the illegimate son of Maria ROSE. I didn't know about him but I assume that Maria is the daughter of Joseph and Rachel Rose who was born about 1825. Regards George Rose E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.177) Database version: 5.07040 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/

Hello All, Bastardy Bonds Phoebe RABBITTS single woman gave birth to a male child (not named) William TAYLOR father servant and Thomas TAYLOR, labourer both of Kingsclere £40 1775 Miriam WYETH spinster father John DIXON of Kingsclere Labourer and Thomas DIXON of Thatcham, Berks a Blacksmith £30 1787 (no details of child given) Apprenticeship Indentures Thomas WYATT Bridget NEWMAN Husbandry 1679 Richard WITHE James Pococke Husbandry 1697 Thomas WYTHE Edward Chessell of Newbury, Berks Weaver 1704 Kind regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants. UK [email protected]

Hi Nigel and All, There is the Baptism of Richard illegitimate son of Hannah Wyatt or Byatt of Union House pauper 1 June 1842 ref.1173 page147. This made me wonder if it was the same Hannah, daughter of James and Sarah Wythe. Baptism of James Wyeth son of James and Mary 19 July 1820 living at Plastow Green, Woodlands. For Denis Baptism of Harry Son of William and Johanna EDWARDS living at the Dell, Kingsclere 31 July 1853 Settlement Certificates to live in Kingsclere There is a Jamie WAYT and wife Alice & son Joseph they come from Whitchurch in 1740. Richard RABBITTS wife Elizabeth and children James age 3 and Hannah age 2 from Newtown 1753 Settlement Examinations (Interviewed by the Parish Council) William WYTHE, wife Elizabeth and children William 7, Sarah 5, Elizabeth 3, John age 1 from Aldermaston, Berks in 1780 Removal Orders from Kingsclere back to Aldermaston 1780 Note. They were not given permission to live in Kingsclere and had to go back to Aldermaston where they came from. Richard WYETH of Kingsclere 1733 (no further information). William WYTHE of Kingsclere born in Hannington was age 14 years old was bound an apprentice to Thomas WEBB of Hannington, wheeler for 7 years; after his apprenticeship he lived with Edward ELTON of North Waltham, wheeler for 9 months by the week; he worked a further year with Edward ELTON and another Thomas WEBB; he has a wife Elizabeth and children Elizabeth 7 Mary 5 and William 20 weeks old 1746 Thomas WYTHE of Baughurst, formerly Bailiff to the Prince of Wales: he hired William SPICER for a year at Basingstoke Fair on Michaelmas Day, 1795 for a wage of 8d (pence) and a guinea (one pound & one shilling), at the end of the year: SPICER served at Kempshott for half a year and then removed to the Grange, at this time Thomas WYTHE left the service 1800 Mary wife of Richard WYATT, as to the settlement of her father William MILLER, she was born at Wroughton, Wiltshire, the house in which she and her parents lived, came to her father upon the death of his father: when she was 14 years old, her father sold the house and afterwards rented a house in Wroughton . Her mother died in Wroughton 8 years ago, 6 and a half years ago her father moved to Kingsclere . 1810 Removal Order to Kingsclere. Robert RABBITS, wife Sarah and children Olliff 4 and Elizabeth age 2 living in Steventon 1816 Removal Orders from Kingsclere Joseph WYTH and wife Mary and daughter Mary age 12 to Dummer 1761 " " " Elizabeth RABBITS sent back to Newbury, Berkshire 1783 Kind regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants. UK [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nigel Gerdes" <[email protected]> To: "Barbara Mallyon" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 11:09 AM Subject: Re: [King] WYTHE/GIRDLER/BRIDGMAN/JEWELL > Hi Barbara and list, > > Very many thanks, glad to know we have Hannah with the correct > parents. > > The other Kingsclere Woodland Wythes will be very helpful as I have > to sort > out the Ramsdell, Wotton St Lawrence (many many) and Basingstoke > ones as > well. Hannington has been completed since that is my own Wythe > connection. > It is a hunch my missing Wythe will be Ramsdell or Wotton so sorting > out the > others in the area all helps take it forward. One more item for the > 'To do' > list for the next trip to the Hampshire RO. > > As to WYATT; it is most likely WYATT as a separate family not a > misrecording. > Is anybody considering the WYATT family or claims them as their > own? > > Regards > > Nigel >

Nigel said; > While TWITCHIN is a Kingsclere name, I suspect this branch at the time of > the > start of the 19th century came from elsewhere. Later some of this branch > did > move into the Kingclere area. ...................................................... The detail that I have suggests that John TWITCHIN (1736) was a son of William and Elizabeth (GREEN) who were wed at Gt.Farringdon 1726. They started their family at Inkpen with two sons William 1726 and Archer 1728. Another researcher said that there was a 3rd son John also born at Inkpen but no record has been found ......... BUT .... there is a record of a John born at Kingsclere to William and Elizabeth in BVRI which records him as 'TUTCHIN' (groan) so they must have moved to Kingsclere sometime after the birth of Archer (who disappeared from the face of the earth). and I believe that John (1736) married Elizabeth DORNEY in 1778. The Twitchin's were well established at Inkpen since Frances Twitchin was born in 1637 with parents Andrew and Frances (MONEY) married 1635 at Hurstbourne. I am of the opinion that the Andrew who married Frances MONEY was born in Andover son of Andrew and Elizabeth (GOLLOP) .......... but what clouds this is that they had son Andrew born 1621 and there is a parish burial record at Andover 1625 which is torn showing ".............. ew TWITCHIN" which could be construed as Andrew. But the point I am making is that the TWITCHIN families in both Hampshire and Berkshire seem to well related into the early 1600's. Joe

Hello all, Having seen GIRDLER being selected as name of the month, I thought I had better update my web pages about the family, they can be viewed at: http://www.colin.harris4.btinternet.co.uk/gurdlerfamily/home.html The spelling variant GURDLER is used throughout as this is the spelling which was used for my direct line of the family. If anybody spots any errors please let me know. In answer to Nigel's question about Henry GIRDLER, his name mutated into GERDLER and details about him are included in the relevant pages that can be accessed via the above link. Regards Colin Harris E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.177) Database version: 5.07040 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/

I have Helen [Ellen] Baptised 27 June 1841 at Kingsclere living Plastow Green as being the daughter of Richard & Ann[e] WYTHE - she married Charles NORTH on the 17 Feb 1861 at Kingsclere. There were two James WYTHE Baptised in the same year i.e. 1844 [which caused me a lot of trouble on F. Tree Maker - but solved, went over to Legacy!!] - one to James & Sarah on 24 March 1844 - the other to Richard & Ann[e] on 30 June 1844. I also have Ellen WYTHE Bap. 3 Aug. 1856 to James & Sarah at Kingsclere Woodlands. Denis