On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 08:07:47 +0100 "Barbara Mallyon" <[email protected]> wrote: > Thatcham is not far from Kingsclere, so it is quite possible that > they are related. I have Bridgemans at Newtown also > > William BRIDGMAN baptised 23 June 1780 Kingsclere re Bishops > Transcripts, I have as married to Amy ALLAN. > > John, you have a William BRIDGMAN baptized on 6 April 1782 - St. > Mary, Kingsclere married to Amy ALLEN, which William did Amy > marry ?? There is nothing in the marriage entry to give a clue, both being of Kingsclere Parish and married by licence and both made their mark. The 1780 William was recorded as being of Town at baptism and the 1782 William of Dell. Amey Allen's father was of Town. There are no burials around birth dates to eliminate either one. I can find a William Bridgman in the 1851 and 1861 Census in Kingsclere, a pauper widower age 73 and 84 respectively, but no trace in 1841. The burial at St. Paul on 20 May 1863 of a William Of Mill Green age 87 has to be this William as he is recorded as a lodger in Mill Green in both Census. All these recorded ages would make this William 3-4 years older than a 1780 birth would indicate. Abode given at two of William & Amy's children's baptism was Common and the last of the 4 I have recorded was born at Crookham, so maybe more children were born there. This suggests William & Amy were living in the north of the Parish so he is probably the William buried at St. Paul. I can find no sign of Amy's burial in Hants or Berks burial indexes or on FreeBMD. Both William Bridg(e)mans would have been under the age of 21 in 1798 so marriage by licence is appropriate whichever it was. However, having looked at the two Williams again, I think it more likely it would have been the 18 year old rather than the 16 year old that married Amey, so have altered my database and I now have William, son of Joseph & Mary, married to Am(e)y Allen. -- John Lewis Debian Linux with Geneweb genealogy application

Hi Vicki, John and All, Thatcham is not far from Kingsclere, so it is quite possible that they are related. William BRIDGMAN baptised 23 June 1780 Kingsclere re Bishops Transcripts, I have as married to Amy ALLAN. John, you have a William BRIDGMAN baptized on 6 April 1782 - St. Mary, Kingsclere married to Amy ALLEN, which William did Amy marry ?? Kind regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants. UK [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "historyresearch" <[email protected]> To: "Barbara Mallyon" <[email protected]>; Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 4:53 AM Subject: Re: [King] Savery & Buckridge link/Bridgeman > Hello Barbara, > Were these Bridgemans anything to do with those from Thatcham? I > have a William Bridgeman and Martha House marr 1797 Thatcham with 11 > children. I don't have eithr Williams nor Martha's birthplace. > Regards > Vicki

Hello Barbara, Were these Bridgemans anything to do with those from Thatcham? I have a William Bridgeman and Martha House marr 1797 Thatcham with 11 children. I don't have eithr Williams nor Martha's birthplace. Regards Vicki ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Mallyon" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 9:26 PM Subject: Re: [King] Savery & Buckridge link > Hi Valerie, > > Thanks for the information. > Sadly Maria BUCKRIDGE Burial was 9 December 1840 St. Mary's Kingsclere > she was age 21 years. Ref 1377 page 173 > > Maria's husband Stephen BRIDGMAN 2nd marriage was to Kezia FOSTER 26 > November 1842 Kingsclere. > Stephen BRIDGMAN widower labourer of The Dell, married Kezia FOSTER > spinster full age Domestic Servant Kingsclere. witnesses were George > PARKER and Howard Steven PETTIFER. > > They had 7 children if anyone wants further details. > > Kind regards > > Barbara Lewis Mallyon > Basingstoke, Hants. UK > [email protected] > > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 10:28 AM > Subject: Re: [King] Savery & Buckridge link > > >> Hello Barbara, >> A few more twiglets for your 'twig' >> George BUCKRIDGE was son of Isaac, the carrier and so brother of >> Maria. >> Later, the witness to the marriage of Maria Buckridge to Stephen >> BRIDGMAN, >> (Caroline Buckridge, sister of Maria Buckridge), went on to marry >> John SAVERY, >> a widower, and brother to Ann Edwards Savery ( who married George >> in London >> in 1848) >> John & Caroline had a large family in Kingsclere. >> John SAVERY was brother to JOSEPH SAVERY, my gt gt grandfather. >> Both sons of James SAVERY & Maria POOLE. >> >> What a tangle! >> Valerie > > > ---------------------------------------- >>From Kingsclere.If you get unsubscribed and did not ask to be >>unsubscribed, please contact List Admin. > ---------------------------------------- > Changing your Email address, > unsubscribe with your old address and Subscribe to the List with your new > email address. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Valerie, Thanks for the information. Sadly Maria BUCKRIDGE Burial was 9 December 1840 St. Mary's Kingsclere she was age 21 years. Ref 1377 page 173 Maria's husband Stephen BRIDGMAN 2nd marriage was to Kezia FOSTER 26 November 1842 Kingsclere. Stephen BRIDGMAN widower labourer of The Dell, married Kezia FOSTER spinster full age Domestic Servant Kingsclere. witnesses were George PARKER and Howard Steven PETTIFER. They had 7 children if anyone wants further details. Kind regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants. UK [email protected] From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 10:28 AM Subject: Re: [King] Savery & Buckridge link > Hello Barbara, > A few more twiglets for your 'twig' > George BUCKRIDGE was son of Isaac, the carrier and so brother of > Maria. > Later, the witness to the marriage of Maria Buckridge to Stephen > BRIDGMAN, > (Caroline Buckridge, sister of Maria Buckridge), went on to marry > John SAVERY, > a widower, and brother to Ann Edwards Savery ( who married George > in London > in 1848) > John & Caroline had a large family in Kingsclere. > John SAVERY was brother to JOSEPH SAVERY, my gt gt grandfather. > Both sons of James SAVERY & Maria POOLE. > > What a tangle! > Valerie

Good morning I would like to thank Barbara for the welcome e mail. I have the above names in my family tree, the brickwalls I have are the origins of a John Bates ,and a William Randall born about 1772, place unknown. But both appear in Kintbury lin the late 1790's early 1800's also a Sophia Bates birth date and place unknown. It has been suggested they might have come from outside the Berkshire area. Thankyou Beverley Smith

Hello Barbara, A few more twiglets for your 'twig' George BUCKRIDGE was son of Isaac, the carrier and so brother of Maria. Later, the witness to the marriage of Maria Buckridge to Stephen BRIDGMAN, (Caroline Buckridge, sister of Maria Buckridge), went on to marry John SAVERY, a widower, and brother to Ann Edwards Savery ( who married George in London in 1848) John & Caroline had a large family in Kingsclere. John SAVERY was brother to JOSEPH SAVERY, my gt gt grandfather. Both sons of James SAVERY & Maria POOLE. What a tangle! Valerie

Yes. That is certainly her. The parents, James & Maria are right. Thank you so much. Valerie

Hi Beverley, I have some Bates from the Kingsclere Woodlands area that Married in to the Hutchins family, whether they link to yours I don't know but they also link up with a Matthews line but not until around 1879 Please feel free to have a look at my website and you will also find a link to John Lewis's Kingsclere site which is like a bible to most of us tracing Kingsclere names Bob Hutchins Email: [email protected] Website & Genealogy Database www.bobhutchins.me.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beverley Smith" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 7:48 PM Subject: [King] New Member. Bates surname > Good Evening > I have been advised by a researcher that my Bates in Kintbury Berkshire > could have originated in the Kingsclere area. I have John Bates > (birthplace unknown) he was a wheelwright married a Betty Matthews (Father > also a wheelwright) from Hamstead Marshall this marriage took place 12th > January 1793 in Hamstead Marshall. We also have as a witness at a family > marriage a Sophia Bates(nothing else known about her) but the name Sophia > used from that time on in more than one branch of my family. > They had the following children Mary, John, Charles, Daniel, Sophia, > Hannah, Elizabeth. > If anyone is doing Bates I would be very interested. Both Daniel & Charles > Bates mixed up in the machine riots of 1831. > Thankyou > Beverley Smith > ---------------------------------------- >>From Kingsclere.If you get unsubscribed and did not ask to be >>unsubscribed, please contact List Admin. > ---------------------------------------- > Changing your Email address, > unsubscribe with your old address and Subscribe to the List with your new > email address. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.5.1/764 - Release Date: 17/04/2007 > 04:43 > >

Good Evening I have been advised by a researcher that my Bates in Kintbury Berkshire could have originated in the Kingsclere area. I have John Bates (birthplace unknown) he was a wheelwright married a Betty Matthews (Father also a wheelwright) from Hamstead Marshall this marriage took place 12th January 1793 in Hamstead Marshall. We also have as a witness at a family marriage a Sophia Bates(nothing else known about her) but the name Sophia used from that time on in more than one branch of my family. They had the following children Mary, John, Charles, Daniel, Sophia, Hannah, Elizabeth. If anyone is doing Bates I would be very interested. Both Daniel & Charles Bates mixed up in the machine riots of 1831. Thankyou Beverley Smith

On Mon, 16 Apr 2007 17:55:10 +0100 "Barbara Mallyon" <[email protected]> wrote: > The surname of EDWARDS has been requested for the second half of > April, has anyone any branches or twigs of that surname. Catherine Edwards married Alfred CHILD in Kings Somborne in Sep Qtr 1868. I didn't have any ancestors for her until today but have found her her parents were Thomas (Henry) Edwards and Sarah REEVES who married about June 1840 at St.Peter & St.Paul, Kings Somborne. The Edwards/Gatehouse family of Compton House, K S were very well known with records held by Hants RO going back to the 1400s and "seats and/or estates at Compton House, Hampshire, Appleshaw, Hampshire, Bishops Sutton, Hampshire, Kings Somborne, Hampshire and Stockbridge, Hampshire" Sarah Reeves parents were James Reeves and Sarah SWEETAPPLE who married at Enham on 25 Sep 1815. I was delighted to have this surname confirmed when I found that Montague William Edwards ca 1855 baptised his second child as Marion Sweetapple Edwards in 1884. Thomas (Henry) Edwards was born in Hunton ca Feb 1809 to William Edwards and Henrietta Holdaway who married there on 3 Jan 1805. This tree will be on my website later today. -- John Lewis Debian Linux with Geneweb genealogy application

On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 19:22:27 +0100 "Denis R. Hamilton" <[email protected]> wrote: > Thank you John for the Marriage of Harry/Henry. > > The children William J. & Lilly M. were born in Swindon, Wilts and > Alice in Purton, Wilts as per Census. I have yet to look at FREE > BMD for their G.R.O. enteries. there seem to be a lot of Edwards in Wiltshire and I haven't untangled these 3 from the many that show up on a blanket Wiltshire search. I'll have to do a more targeted search later. -- John Lewis Debian Linux with Geneweb genealogy application

Thank you John for the Marriage of Harry/Henry. The children William J. & Lilly M. were born in Swindon, Wilts and Alice in Purton, Wilts as per Census. I have yet to look at FREE BMD for their G.R.O. enteries. Denis

On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 12:53:51 +0100 "Denis R. Hamilton" <[email protected]> wrote: > Harry [1853] married Agnes H. [Unknown] lived Swindon, Wilts / > worked on the Railway. Marriages Mar 1880: EDWARDS Henry & George Agnes Harriett, Newbury 2c 377 with William F ca 1883 Lilly M ca 1891 Alice ca 1897 Births Dec 1856: George Agnes Harriet, Kingsclere 2c 193, dau of John George & Harriet Hiles. Marriages Dec 1855: GEORGE John & HILES Harriet, Kingsclere 2c 442, probably at St. Stephen, Baughurst as that is where the Hiles family were living in 1851, with Agnes Harriet ca 1857 Justina E ca 1859 Naomi ca 1860 Thomas Sheriff ca 1864 Beth Annie ca 1867 Sidney J ca 1869 I still need to check names and dates from FreeBMD for all the children. -- John Lewis Debian Linux with Geneweb genealogy application -- John Lewis Debian Linux with Geneweb genealogy application

Hi Valerie, Maria BUCKRIDGE married Stephen BRIDGMAN 17 October 1840 Kingsclere. (a twig on my family tree). 17 October 1840 Married Kingsclere.. Maria BUCKRIDGE full age spinster of George Street, father Isaac BUCKRIDGE Carrier husband Stephen BRIDGMAN full age bachelor labourer of The Dell, Kingsclere father Richard BRIDGMAN Labourer. Witnesses were George Parker and Caroline BUCKRIDGE Kind regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants. UK [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:28 AM Subject: [King] Edwards surname >I am not sure how my Edwards fits in or even if the origin is >Hampshire. > The sister of my gt gt grandfather was Ann Edwards Savery, born > around 1822 > in Kingsclere. > she married George Buckridge of Kingsclere. > The Savery family had moved to Kingsclere from Gloucestershire > somewhere > between 1813 & 1821. > I'd love to know how she got that second name. > > Valerie > > > > > > ---------------------------------------- >>From Kingsclere.If you get unsubscribed and did not ask to be >>unsubscribed, please contact List Admin. > ---------------------------------------- > Changing your Email address, > unsubscribe with your old address and Subscribe to the List with > your new email address. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.4.0/762 - Release Date: > 15/04/2007 16:22 > >

William EDWARDS was my Gt. Gt. Grandfather and he married Joanna MILES Base Born child of Miriam MILES, they married at St. Michael Church, Basingstoke, Hants on 11 Oct 1841. After the birth of their first son William [born 27 Mar 1842 at Basingstoke] the family moved to Kingsclere, they were the first EDWARDS in Kingsclere. William [the elder] was according to the 1851/1861 & 1871 Census "Born At Sea" - and that is where I am stuck, there are no records -as far as my researching has gone - for children Born At Sea covering the period William would have been born i.e. About 1816. His father according to his Marriage Cert was also William and he was a Labourer. ONS GRO CHAPLINS RETURNS/ MARRIAGES I found an entry for a William Jeffrey EDWARDS who married Ann HARE at Ostend in 1815. I decided to purchase a copy. It states Netherlands / 1815 November 13th / No.14 William Jeffrey EDWARDS / Gent & Lieutenant in the Royal Navy / Batchelor and Ann HALL/ Spinster. By Me Thomas MORRIS Chaplain to the Forces. Why Ann is HARE in the Indexes and HALL on the Cert I have not delved into. I sent for this Cert as William [the Elder] named one of his sons Jeffrey [Geoffrey] but I do not feel that a Gent & Lieutenant in the Navy would have become a Labourer - but..... one never knows! Dorothy is so good at delving that I wondered if she might have some thought on all this - I have never made it to the Hampshire R.O. to see if they might have something that might throw some light on these William's - my niece Shirley back in the 1980's did the early researching at the R.O. I descend from William [the eldest son] who moved to Hurst, Berks to work - along it seems with some other folk from Kingsclere - MILES & JEWELL. Can anyone tell me why this emigration took place by these families - was there an advert in the local paper informing the local people of "the promised land" - Hurst is still very much a country Village, I have visited and I was born in Reading which is not that far away. William & Joanna had the following children after William and they were all born in Kingsclere: George [1845] who married Elizabeth JONES and who moved to Reading, Berks. They lived at 31 Waterloo Road and my mother was born at No. 26. When I was a child my mother would send me up to Waterloo Road with fresh vegetables from my father's allotment - time has been cruel here as I just cannot remember who the lady was or the number of the house I had to deliver to - but obviously it must have been a descendant of George. John [1846] died [1848] Ambrose [1848] married Matilda ROLFE 2 Nov 1869 died [1919] buried Hannington. Sarah Ann [1851] married Daniel DENNIS 14 Feb 1869 at Kingsclere, lived Newbury, Berks. Harry [1853] married Agnes H. [Unknown] lived Swindon, Wilts / worked on the Railway. Jeffrey [Geoffrey] [1856] married Mary Ann [Unknown] stayed in Kingsclere / Gen Lab. James [1858] married Charlotte BUTLER / lived Swindon, Wilts / worked as a Brass Fitter. Edward [1860] died [1861]. Their mother Joanna died 22 May 1903 in Northcroft Lane, Newbury, Berks Aged 84 yrs as Johanna EDWARDS / the Informant was her daughter Sarah Ann. I cannot find where she was buried. Their father William died 6 Oct 1900 at Poors Cottages, Wolverton, Kingsclere Aged 83 Yrs/ the Informant was his daughter Sarah Ann who was then living at the Temperance Hall, Newbury, Berks. I cannotfind where he was buried. If anyone can fill in the "gaps" I would be most greatful. Denis

Hello Valerie, Could this be a mistranscript of your Ann Edwards Savery?? IGI Ann Loward Savory Christening: 28 DEC 1819 Hannington, Hampshire, England Father: James Savory Family Mother: Marie Savory Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type: I033836 Regards Vicki ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:28 AM Subject: [King] Edwards surname >I am not sure how my Edwards fits in or even if the origin is Hampshire. > The sister of my gt gt grandfather was Ann Edwards Savery, born around > 1822 > in Kingsclere. > she married George Buckridge of Kingsclere. > The Savery family had moved to Kingsclere from Gloucestershire somewhere > between 1813 & 1821. > I'd love to know how she got that second name. > > Valerie > > > > > > ---------------------------------------- >>From Kingsclere.If you get unsubscribed and did not ask to be >>unsubscribed, please contact List Admin. > ---------------------------------------- > Changing your Email address, > unsubscribe with your old address and Subscribe to the List with your new > email address. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I am not sure how my Edwards fits in or even if the origin is Hampshire. The sister of my gt gt grandfather was Ann Edwards Savery, born around 1822 in Kingsclere. she married George Buckridge of Kingsclere. The Savery family had moved to Kingsclere from Gloucestershire somewhere between 1813 & 1821. I'd love to know how she got that second name. Valerie

Hello All, The surname of EDWARDS has been requested for the second half of April, has anyone any branches or twigs of that surname. I spoke to Peter GOFF this morning, he has an eye problem and unable to use his computer for the next 2 weeks, for anyone writing or expecting a reply from him. Kind regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants. UK [email protected] List Admin

Bradfield researchers may have these already but if not: Marriages Sep 1843: BRADFIELD Sarah & WESTCOMBE George, Newbury 6 327 Deaths Sep 1868: Westcombe George 48, Newbury 2c 146 with: Isaac ca 1846 George ca 1848 James Edward ca 1850 Michael ca 1851 Henry ca 1853 Arthur ca 1854 Joseph ca 1856 Sarah Maria ca 1858 Albert Bradfield ca 1860 Marriages Sep 1845: BRADFIELD Harriett & SIDERY Charles, Newbury 6 291, with Tom Bradfield ca 1846 Mary ca 1848 Electa ca 1850 Elizabeth ca 1852 Sarah ca 1854 Ann ca 1858 Marriages Jun 1877: SIDERY Sarah & WESTCOMBE James Edward, Kingsclere 2c 409, with Percy John ca 1880 Joseph Bertram ca 1881 Christopher ca 1883 Mabel ca 1886 -- John Lewis Debian Linux with Geneweb genealogy application

Hi Dorothy, That fits perfectly for Charles :-) Bob Hutchins Email: [email protected] Website & Genealogy Database www.bobhutchins.me.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dorothy Jones" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 12:24 AM Subject: Re: [King] Amelia Girdler/Gurdler >I did a fair bit of work on the HUNTS a couple of years ago > and found this burial: > > HUNT Charles of near Old Farm, Woodlands age 49 years 26 > January 1885 [born c1836] > > > > >