Correction: This is the link to take you direct to the Kingsclere page: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ENG/ENG-HAMPSHIRE-KINGSCLERE.html Dorothy J. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dorothy Jones" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [King] query > Beverley > > If you've not already done so, click on the link to Search > the ENG-HAMPSHIRE-KINGSCLERE archives > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search and enter the > name Bates and you will find exchanges between Jim BATES, > myself and others, concerning research, wills etc for the > Bates family of Kingsclere/Ecchinswell. I've not heard > from Jim since my last submission. > > Dorothy J.

Good Morning Dorothy I would like to thankyou for your kind reply I will do that asap. thankyou Beverley Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dorothy Jones" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [King] query > Beverley > > If you've not already done so, click on the link to Search > the ENG-HAMPSHIRE-KINGSCLERE archives > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search and enter the > name Bates and you will find exchanges between Jim BATES, > myself and others, concerning research, wills etc for the > Bates family of Kingsclere/Ecchinswell. I've not heard from > Jim since my last submission. > > Dorothy J. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Beverley Smith" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 6:09 PM > Subject: [King] query > > >> Good evening >> Is there an index or some such for wills for Kingsclere. >> Can the same be purchased ? I'm interested in Bates at >> Kingsclere. >> thankyou >> Beverley >> ---------------------------------------- >>>From Kingsclere.If you get unsubscribed and did not ask to >>>be unsubscribed, please contact List Admin. >> ---------------------------------------- >> Changing your Email address, >> unsubscribe with your old address and Subscribe to the >> List with your new email address. >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the >> word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message >> > > > ---------------------------------------- >>From Kingsclere.If you get unsubscribed and did not ask to be >>unsubscribed, please contact List Admin. > ---------------------------------------- > Changing your Email address, > unsubscribe with your old address and Subscribe to the List with your new > email address. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.6/795 - Release Date: 09/05/2007 > 15:07 >

Beverley If you've not already done so, click on the link to Search the ENG-HAMPSHIRE-KINGSCLERE archives http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search and enter the name Bates and you will find exchanges between Jim BATES, myself and others, concerning research, wills etc for the Bates family of Kingsclere/Ecchinswell. I've not heard from Jim since my last submission. Dorothy J. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beverley Smith" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 6:09 PM Subject: [King] query > Good evening > Is there an index or some such for wills for Kingsclere. > Can the same be purchased ? I'm interested in Bates at > Kingsclere. > thankyou > Beverley > ---------------------------------------- >>From Kingsclere.If you get unsubscribed and did not ask to >>be unsubscribed, please contact List Admin. > ---------------------------------------- > Changing your Email address, > unsubscribe with your old address and Subscribe to the > List with your new email address. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the > word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message >

On Mon, 7 May 2007 08:30:32 +0100 "Beverley Smith" <[email protected]> wrote: > I would like to thank John Lewis for his kind answer re the > Bates/Smiths. I'm really grasping at straws here, but I think I'm <snipped> > for the James Bates. We have also a John Bates marrying a Betty > Matthews at Hamstead Marshall in 1793 , on the IGI if one puts in > the parents James Bates and Mary Green one gets quite a list of > offspring and there is a John b 1767 which would fit . Sophia was part of this family Thomas ca 1771 Charles ca 1774 Hannah ca 1777 &ca 1800 James Ruddle Moses ca 1778-1779 Sophia ca 1780 &1802 Joseph Smith Samuel ca 1782 who were all born at Frobury Farm, Kingsclere to John & Mary but I haven't yet been able to establish which John & Mary nor have I found all the baptisms of possibly 13 children due to lack of time. I'll continue looking tomorrow but thought I'd pass on what I have been able to confirm. -- John Lewis Debian Linux with Geneweb genealogy application

Hello All, For all members of the Hampshire Genealogical Society, a message from the Chairman Len Ruffell. It is with great sadness that we heard that Gordon Brine died in the early hours of Tuesday morning after a short sudden illness. He had been a stalwart member of the office staff from its inception, as well as a great support to his wife, Sheila our Secretary. Len Ruffell has sent a message of condolence on behalf of the Society. Sheila Brine has a broken arm, to add to the sad loss of her husband Gordon. Regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants. UK [email protected] List Admin

Beverley Smith wrote: >Good evening >Is there an index or some such for wills for Kingsclere. >Can the same be purchased ? I'm interested in Bates at Kingsclere. >thankyou >Beverley > > > Hi, Put Bates into the CALM database saerch at: http://calm.hants.gov.uk/DServeA/search.htm After a few items the Hampshire BATES wills start. I have just looked at the first 50 records but there are several wills for BATES in the Kingclere area. A yeoman family by the looks of it for at least all of the 18th century. The records are at the Hampshire Record Office. Regards, Nigel Gerdes

Good evening Is there an index or some such for wills for Kingsclere. Can the same be purchased ? I'm interested in Bates at Kingsclere. thankyou Beverley

Good morning I would like to thank John Lewis for his kind answer re the Bates/Smiths. I'm really grasping at straws here, but I think I'm on the right track, I have a marriage at Hamstead Marshall Berkshire in 1796 of a Rose Green to George Matthews a Sophia Bates was a witness. There is no other Sophia Bates that we can find that might fit. Also the name Sophia has been used constantly in our Family since this time.It would help if Mary Green had a sister or relative called Rose we have no proof of who Rose Green was.So if we could find baptisims for Mary and Rose it would be great also for the James Bates. We have also a John Bates marrying a Betty Matthews at Hamstead Marshall in 1793 , on the IGI if one puts in the parents James Bates and Mary Green one gets quite a list of offspring and there is a John b 1767 which would fit . Once again thankyou. I really appreciate it. Regards Beverley Smith

On Sun, 6 May 2007 14:38:53 +0100 "Beverley Smith" <[email protected]> wrote: > Good Afternoon > I have a marriage (from the IGI I am interested in) it is Sophia > Bates B 31st Mar 1779 at Kingsclere married to Joseph Smith 26th actually 31 Mar 1780 to James and Mary Bates, farmer of Frobury > Aug 1802 the IGI does not state where marriage was. Sophia's > parents appear to be James Bates Father, Mother Mary Green. If any > one has any of these names I would love to know. thankyou Beverley > Smith ---------------------------------------- I have the mother as Mary Gallant married 14 Feb 1755 at St. Mary Kingsclere. Marriage register entry no 9. Both were of Kingsclere Parish married by Licence by George Bell. Witnesses: Joseph Bate and John Humphreys All parties signed the register. Witness 'Joseph' may be wrong as the fiche is indistinct in parts. I don't have parents for this James However there was another marriage of a James Bates on 28 July 1766 where the wife was Mary Green. James was recorded as a bachelor so not a second marriage. Mary was a minor married with consent of her Father. Witnesses were John (unreadable) and Eliz Everard Again all parties signed the register. I have his parents as James Bates & Mary Hack . It is quite possible Sophia was a daughter of James & Mary Green but I'll have to check baptism dates and see if there is anything to link her to one or other (occupation of abode) but there may be nothing. As for Sophia's marriage: St. Mary Kingsclere, Marriage Register entry 362 Joseph Smith of the parish of Stone in the County of Bucks and Sophia Bates of this Parish were married in this Church by Licence. this 26th day of August in the year One Thousand eight Hundred and two by me John Hewer Curate This marriage was solemnized between Us { Joseph Smith Sophia Bates. In the Presence of Charles Bates Hannah Bagen All signed the register, I'm not sure of the surname of second witness -- John Lewis Debian Linux with Geneweb genealogy application

Good Afternoon I have a marriage (from the IGI I am interested in) it is Sophia Bates B 31st Mar 1779 at Kingsclere married to Joseph Smith 26th Aug 1802 the IGI does not state where marriage was. Sophia's parents appear to be James Bates Father, Mother Mary Green. If any one has any of these names I would love to know. thankyou Beverley Smith

James North is the brother of my great, great grandfather Abraham. Abraham married Charlotte Stevens 28th Oct 1855. Their children are: Sarah Ann North (1856) John North (1859) George North (1862) Arthur Raleigh North (1866) Emma Matilda North (1869) Horace William North (1871) Felicia Maria North (1874) Alfred James North (1876) Charlotte Clark -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Joy Sent: 04 May 2007 23:28 To: [email protected] Subject: [King] NORTH Surname Hello Listers, I, too, was waiting for the second half of the month. My NORTH's marry into the HAYWARD's. James NORTH born 1823 died 1898 (parents John NORTH b. 1795 in Kingsclere and Ann MONDAY b. 1799 in Kingsclere) married Charlotte HAYWARD born about January 1830 in Kingsclere. Their children are Alfred Henry NORTH born about 1855 Mary Ann NORTH born about 1860 Louisa NORTH born about 1864 James NORTH born 03 Aug 1867 Kingsclere Marsh died Aug 1867 Kingsclere Marsh Frederick NORTH born about April 1869 Newbury Marsh John James NORTH born about May 1872 Newbury Marsh Mary Ann NORTH had a child out of wedlock in about 1881 named Norah Mary NORTH. John James NORTH married Mary Elizabeth RAMPTON born about 1874 in Kingsclere. They married October 8, 1898 in Kingsclere and had a son, William John NORTH about 1899. Joy French ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Find out how you can get spam free email. http://www.bluebottle.com

I was waiting for the 2nd half of the month to submit my NORTH twig. I have a William NORTH married June 20, 1846, Kingsclere to Eliza DRY, christened Aug 26, 1827, daughter of John DRY and Miriam MILES. Does anyone have any more information? Children? Birth? Death? Lorne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Mallyon" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 11:00 AM Subject: [King] Surname being researched for May > As there has been little interest in the May surnames being research > of PIPER and NORTH, Jeff has agreed that we change the surnames.

On Fri, 4 May 2007 16:00:32 +0100 "Barbara Mallyon" <[email protected]> wrote: > As there has been little interest in the May surnames being > research of PIPER and NORTH, Jeff has agreed that we change the > surnames. I have just updated the website so the new PIPER data I've added to the database is now available. There must be more to be be found but if I'm going to look at Hayward and Taylor I won't have time. -- John Lewis Debian Linux with Geneweb genealogy application

Hello Listers, I, too, was waiting for the second half of the month. My NORTH's marry into the HAYWARD's. James NORTH born 1823 died 1898 (parents John NORTH b. 1795 in Kingsclere and Ann MONDAY b. 1799 in Kingsclere) married Charlotte HAYWARD born about January 1830 in Kingsclere. Their children are Alfred Henry NORTH born about 1855 Mary Ann NORTH born about 1860 Louisa NORTH born about 1864 James NORTH born 03 Aug 1867 Kingsclere Marsh died Aug 1867 Kingsclere Marsh Frederick NORTH born about April 1869 Newbury Marsh John James NORTH born about May 1872 Newbury Marsh Mary Ann NORTH had a child out of wedlock in about 1881 named Norah Mary NORTH. John James NORTH married Mary Elizabeth RAMPTON born about 1874 in Kingsclere. They married October 8, 1898 in Kingsclere and had a son, William John NORTH about 1899. Joy French

Hello All, As there has been little interest in the May surnames being research of PIPER and NORTH, Jeff has agreed that we change the surnames. Has anyone any branches or twigs of the surnames TAYLOR and HAYWARD. Please send other messages to the List, don't just think that it has to be TAYLOR or HAYWARD, the idea is to help John LEWIS piece together the names on his Family Tree puzzle. Have a good holiday weekend Best wishes Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants. UK [email protected] List Admin

Hi John, The John MILES that married ANN PIPER 13 Oct 1829 Kingsclere on my family tree is wrong, it should be John MILLS. I checked out the surname on marriage banns and again the surname was MILLS not MILES. Banns read Sunday 6th, 13th & 20th September 1829 Also Mary MILLS banns were read 13th, 20th & 27th September 1829 she married James BENHAM at Kingsclere. I will come back to you on the others, busy day today, it is all happening. Kind regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants. UK [email protected] >> John MILES/MYALL baptised 1 November 1750 St. Lawrence, Ecchinswell >> married Elizabeth PIPER 31 March 1778, St. Mary's Church, >> Kingsclere. Parents are Joseph MILES/MYALL and Mary M. >> BARTHOLOMEW. John is my 6 x great uncle. > > I am not sure about this one. I had this in the database until I > started to look at the Pipers. I checked the marriage entry and the > only things that give a clue as to which John this could be is that > his surname is written MYALL and a witness was Benjamin MYALL. > > The only Miles family with a John & Benjamin is that of Richard > Miall/Miles & Jane Stevens. > > This family also has an Ann Myal/Miles who is I think the one who > married > > (1) Jesse Spratley on 7 Nov 1770 > (2) William Piper on 29 Sep 1779. > > Witnesses at the first marriage were Benjamin Myal and John Fulker > and at the second John Miel and Ricd Rode > > I haven't found a burial for Jesse Spratley, who was of Mortimer > when he married, so cannot be sure that it was his widow who married > William Piper. That marriage entry has nothing to say about the > status of either party but given a witness was John Miel she could > have been a Miles. > > At least two of the children of William & Ann (Miles) Piper, William > 1756-1830 & James 1789-1865, moved to Tunworth and had numerous > children there. > >> John LEWIS please help - There is also another John MILES married >> to Ann PIPER 20 Sep 1780 St. Mary's Kingsclere by Licence, this >> needs to be sorted out which John MILES. Joseph MILES had 3 or even >> 4 sons named John, problem is when they died the burial just says >> John MILES. > > I have this marriage in the fiche viewer and it relates to the > marriage of JOSEPH Miles & Martha Bridgeman. > > I don't have a suitable Ann Piper in the database in any case, but > there were Pipers in East Woodhay and Burghclere so she could have > come from outside the Parish of Kingsclere. > > -- > John Lewis > Debian Linux with Geneweb genealogy application

On Tue, 1 May 2007 07:55:33 +0100 "Barbara Mallyon" <[email protected]> wrote: > John MILES/MYALL baptised 1 November 1750 St. Lawrence, Ecchinswell > married Elizabeth PIPER 31 March 1778, St. Mary's Church, > Kingsclere. Parents are Joseph MILES/MYALL and Mary M. > BARTHOLOMEW. John is my 6 x great uncle. I am not sure about this one. I had this in the database until I started to look at the Pipers. I checked the marriage entry and the only things that give a clue as to which John this could be is that his surname is written MYALL and a witness was Benjamin MYALL. The only Miles family with a John & Benjamin is that of Richard Miall/Miles & Jane Stevens. This family also has an Ann Myal/Miles who is I think the one who married (1) Jesse Spratley on 7 Nov 1770 (2) William Piper on 29 Sep 1779. Witnesses at the first marriage were Benjamin Myal and John Fulker and at the second John Miel and Ricd Rode I haven't found a burial for Jesse Spratley, who was of Mortimer when he married, so cannot be sure that it was his widow who married William Piper. That marriage entry has nothing to say about the status of either party but given a witness was John Miel she could have been a Miles. At least two of the children of William & Ann (Miles) Piper, William 1756-1830 & James 1789-1865, moved to Tunworth and had numerous children there. > John LEWIS please help - There is also another John MILES married > to Ann PIPER 20 Sep 1780 St. Mary's Kingsclere by Licence, this > needs to be sorted out which John MILES. Joseph MILES had 3 or even > 4 sons named John, problem is when they died the burial just says > John MILES. I have this marriage in the fiche viewer and it relates to the marriage of JOSEPH Miles & Martha Bridgeman. I don't have a suitable Ann Piper in the database in any case, but there were Pipers in East Woodhay and Burghclere so she could have come from outside the Parish of Kingsclere. -- John Lewis Debian Linux with Geneweb genealogy application

Hi Denis and Joan, I did see the programme, it was good, two friends for years, only to find out that they were half brothers. A programme well worth watching. Nice to hear from you, Kind regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants. UK [email protected] List Admin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denis R. Hamilton" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 8:05 AM Subject: [King] "Found" > Good morning Barbara > > Incase you are unaware there is a BBC1 T.V. programme on at 9.15am > to 10am every day this week called "Found". We have recorded this > each day so far and then watched later in the day - it is presented > by Kate Adie. Yesterday was sooo good and we shed some tears, a > fascinating programme for F.H. researchers. > > Regards > Denis & Joan

Good morning Barbara Incase you are unaware there is a BBC1 T.V. programme on at 9.15am to 10am every day this week called "Found". We have recorded this each day so far and then watched later in the day - it is presented by Kate Adie. Yesterday was sooo good and we shed some tears, a fascinating programme for F.H. researchers. Regards Denis & Joan

Hi Jeff and All, John MILES/MYALL baptised 1 November 1750 St. Lawrence, Ecchinswell married Elizabeth PIPER 31 March 1778, St. Mary's Church, Kingsclere. Parents are Joseph MILES/MYALL and Mary M. BARTHOLOMEW. John is my 6 x great uncle. A twig. George FOSTER full age widower labourer of Kingsclere father John FOSTER Farmer, married Maria PIPER full age widow of Kingsclere, father William LEWINGTON Labourer. Witnesses were James MILES and Keziah BRIDGMAN marriage date 7 March 1863. A twig William LEWINGTON married to Sarah DURBRIDGE. They were parents to Joseph and Eliza, Eliza married John ROLFE this line eventually married into my HOLLY family. John LEWIS please help - There is also another John MILES married to Ann PIPER 20 Sep 1780 St. Mary's Kingsclere by Licence, this needs to be sorted out which John MILES. Joseph MILES had 3 or even 4 sons named John, problem is when they died the burial just says John MILES. Kind regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants. UK [email protected]