Hello All, Have you looked at Hugh WALLIS website lately, http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers.htm#Pa Hugh has up dated all of this website, there are Parishes on the website now that were not on there before, worth a look. When you get the names you are researching, click on the names, this will give you parents or the bride or grooms name. Kind regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants. UK [email protected] List Admin

To All, Thank you for the many kind messages about Rogers mother. Audrey was one of the first to go to Homerton Collage for ladies in Cambridge in 1924 to 1927, she qualified as a teacher and taught in Rochdale, Lancashire where she was born. Milkstone School now teachers Indian children, how times have changed. Rogers mother and father went to Bournemouth for their Honeymoon, they liked it so much they decided to live there, Audrey taught in Bournemouth until she started her family of 4 children. Kind regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants. UK [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Mallyon" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 9:49 PM Subject: [King] Non genealogical > Hello Everyone, > > I hope you won't mind me telling you that last Wednesday the 9th > May, > Roger and I were at the Nursing Home here in Basingstoke to > celebrate > his mothers 100th Birthday. His mother is registered blind, stone > deaf > and has dementia. > > Most people say to me, did she receive a telegram from the Queen. > > How does the Queen know that it was Audrey Lewis 100th Birthday. > > Two weeks before Audrey's birthday, a lady from the Pensions > Department came to see Audrey, they wanted to see her Birth > Certificate and her Marriage Certificate to prove who she was. I > asked > does the Queen really sign the Birthday Cards and the answer was a > yes, if the Queen has only a few cards she will sign them, if she > has > many cards, she has a rubber stamp. We think Audrey's card was > stamped. > > On the day of Audrey's birthday, the Mayor of Basingstoke came to > her > birthday party, he opened the card from the Queen, on the card the > Queen was wearing a yellow dress. There was also a telegram type of > message from the Pensions Minister wishing Audrey a Happy 100th > Birthday. > > Audrey predicted that she will live to be 100 years old, but she is > not going to hang around like the Queen Mother, the Queen mother > lived > to be 101 years old, so we have to see if this prediction come true. > > Kind regards > > Barbara Lewis Mallyon > Basingstoke, Hants. UK > [email protected] > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------- >>From Kingsclere.If you get unsubscribed and did not ask to be >>unsubscribed, please contact List Admin. > ---------------------------------------- > Changing your Email address, > unsubscribe with your old address and Subscribe to the List with > your new email address. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message

Hello Barbara, Congratulations to you and Roger, a notable achievement. My mother died in August aged 99 and we were hoping previously to have the same pleasure as you have had. Regards, Rod.

Barbara, No apologies necessary. In these times of gloom, doom and despondency it is great every so often to hear of something 'nice'. Your story is really very touching and I hope that one or both of my parents attain such a crusty old age. Good luck to you all. Regards Mic Laird Director Email - [email protected] Mobile - +44 (0) 7798 727755 -------------------------------------------------------- This message may contain confidential material and should only be read by the intended recipient. If you have received this in error, please advise the sender and then destroy this message and any attachments. Communications Advisory Service Ltd Wolfelands, High Street, Westerham, Kent TN16 1RQ Tel: +44 (0) 1959 562212 Fax: +44 (0) 1959 564422 URL: www.c-a-s.co.uk Registered in England and Wales number: 5341099 Registered Address: 30 New Road, Brighton, BN1 1BN -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Barbara Mallyon Sent: 16 May 2007 21:49 To: [email protected] Subject: [King] Non genealogical Hello Everyone, I hope you won't mind me telling you that last Wednesday the 9th May, Roger and I were at the Nursing Home here in Basingstoke to celebrate his mothers 100th Birthday. His mother is registered blind, stone deaf and has dementia. Most people say to me, did she receive a telegram from the Queen. How does the Queen know that it was Audrey Lewis 100th Birthday. Two weeks before Audrey's birthday, a lady from the Pensions Department came to see Audrey, they wanted to see her Birth Certificate and her Marriage Certificate to prove who she was. I asked does the Queen really sign the Birthday Cards and the answer was a yes, if the Queen has only a few cards she will sign them, if she has many cards, she has a rubber stamp. We think Audrey's card was stamped. On the day of Audrey's birthday, the Mayor of Basingstoke came to her birthday party, he opened the card from the Queen, on the card the Queen was wearing a yellow dress. There was also a telegram type of message from the Pensions Minister wishing Audrey a Happy 100th Birthday. Audrey predicted that she will live to be 100 years old, but she is not going to hang around like the Queen Mother, the Queen mother lived to be 101 years old, so we have to see if this prediction come true. Kind regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants. UK [email protected] ---------------------------------------- >From Kingsclere.If you get unsubscribed and did not ask to be unsubscribed, please contact List Admin. ---------------------------------------- Changing your Email address, unsubscribe with your old address and Subscribe to the List with your new email address. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Everyone, I hope you won't mind me telling you that last Wednesday the 9th May, Roger and I were at the Nursing Home here in Basingstoke to celebrate his mothers 100th Birthday. His mother is registered blind, stone deaf and has dementia. Most people say to me, did she receive a telegram from the Queen. How does the Queen know that it was Audrey Lewis 100th Birthday. Two weeks before Audrey's birthday, a lady from the Pensions Department came to see Audrey, they wanted to see her Birth Certificate and her Marriage Certificate to prove who she was. I asked does the Queen really sign the Birthday Cards and the answer was a yes, if the Queen has only a few cards she will sign them, if she has many cards, she has a rubber stamp. We think Audrey's card was stamped. On the day of Audrey's birthday, the Mayor of Basingstoke came to her birthday party, he opened the card from the Queen, on the card the Queen was wearing a yellow dress. There was also a telegram type of message from the Pensions Minister wishing Audrey a Happy 100th Birthday. Audrey predicted that she will live to be 100 years old, but she is not going to hang around like the Queen Mother, the Queen mother lived to be 101 years old, so we have to see if this prediction come true. Kind regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants. UK [email protected]

On Wed, 16 May 2007 15:27:19 +0100 "Denis R. Hamilton" <[email protected]> wrote: > Have just checked my Hurst P.R. CD obtained from the Berks F.H. Soc > - there are no Baptisms for the children of George FORD at St. > Nicholas Church. There is a FORD family later in the Century. > > The "Hurst Village Society" have recorded most of the Parish > Registers on their Website - go into Home and look under Local > History - but beware - the first two enteries I looked at were > incorrectly recorded, I was checking info I already had. Thanks Denis for that link it will go into my bookmarks as quite a few Kingsclere people seem to have ended up there. I have just had a look at Davis Nash Ford's website (1) which is mostly about the MAY family and whilst he lists Ford as a related name he hasn't included any clickable links to those Fords but he does seem to have researched the ones I have listed. (1) http://www.mayfamilyhistory.co.uk/odds/nameinterests.html having said that I have now found another link (2) on that site which shows that David Nash Ford is descended from Walter Ford ca 1860 and Martha Jane May. Walter is a son of George Ford & Mary Giles. (2) http://www.mayfamilyhistory.co.uk/trees/david.html you will need to scroll down quite a way to find the Ford connection. -- John Lewis Debian (Sid) with the GeneWeb genealogy package

Hi Everyone, A message from Dennis sent to Kingsclere Admin in error. from Barbara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denis R. Hamilton" <[email protected]> To: "Listowner Kingsclere" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 3:27 PM Subject: [King] FORD Baptisms at Hurst, Berks > Have just checked my Hurst P.R. CD obtained from the Berks F.H. > Soc - there are no Baptisms for the children of George FORD at St. > Nicholas Church. There is a FORD family later in the Century. > > The "Hurst Village Society" have recorded most of the Parish > Registers on their Website - go into Home and look under Local > History - but beware - the first two enteries I looked at were > incorrectly recorded, I was checking info I already had. > > Thanks John for all the info on the FORD family. > > Denis > ---------------------------------------- >>From Kingsclere.If you get unsubscribed and did not ask to be >>unsubscribed, please contact List Admin. > ---------------------------------------- > Changing your Email address, > unsubscribe with your old address and Subscribe to the List with > your new email address. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message

On Wed, 16 May 2007 06:19:52 EDT [email protected] wrote: > > Hanson Ford married Elizabeth TIDBURY at St. Mary Thatcham on 14 > > May 1780 and had 2 children Dinah ca1782 and Esther ca1784. Maybe > > others born elsewhere. > The Elizabeth TIDBURY who married Hanson FORD is I believe the > daughter of David TIDBURY and Ann BIRD who married at St Mary's > Thatcham on 3rd May 1744. > David TIDBURY and Ann BIRD had the following children: <snipped> > 3. Elizabeth TIDBURY, baptised 9th April 1749 at Thatcham. She > married Hanson FORD on 14th May 1780 at St Mary's Thatcham. Hanson > was a bachelor and Elizabeth was a spinster. Hi Debbie I did wonder if you would be able to add to what I had found, so many thanks for the family of David & Ann. Given a birth date of 1749 for Elizabeth I think it highly likely she married the Hanson bapt. 28 Jun 1747 at Shaw to Richard & Ann and have made this connection in my database. -- John Lewis Debian (Sid) with the GeneWeb genealogy package

Have just checked my Hurst P.R. CD obtained from the Berks F.H. Soc - there are no Baptisms for the children of George FORD at St. Nicholas Church. There is a FORD family later in the Century. The "Hurst Village Society" have recorded most of the Parish Registers on their Website - go into Home and look under Local History - but beware - the first two enteries I looked at were incorrectly recorded, I was checking info I already had. Thanks John for all the info on the FORD family. Denis

On Wed, 16 May 2007 11:35:37 +0100 "Jocie" <[email protected]> wrote: > > David John Ford may have been born in Swallowfield, but he was not > christened there according to the transcript of the Swallowfield > Parish Registeresd published on CD by Berks FHS. I wasn't expecting to find a Swallowfield baptism as I think the family were non-conformists. I found no baptisms at St. Paul, Woodlands for any of the 14 children born at Old Farm, Kingsclere The first Census entry for David was in 1851 when his father George was farming 153 acres at Spencers Wood, Swallowfield, Wilts. David was the recorded as age 3 mths born Swallowfield In all subsequent census, with exception of the 1871 (Shinfield) and 1901 (Reading), his birth place is Swallowfield. George moved to Hurst sometime between 1851 and 1853 as the younger children commencing with Mary Elizabeth ca1853 are recorded as born there. There are no on-line records for Hurst for this period so cannot check for baptisms there but another indicator of a non-conformist background is that George was baptised at London Street Independent, Basingstoke in 1825 although his birthplace was recorded as Sherborne in various Census. -- John Lewis Debian (Sid) with the GeneWeb genealogy package

David John Ford may have been born in Swallowfield, but he was not christened there according to the transcript of the Swallowfield Parish Registeresd published on CD by Berks FHS. See http://www.berksfhs.org.uk/berksfhsbooks/ParishRegistersBerksFHS%20CCE.htm if you want a copy of the CD. Jocie > David John Ford was farming at Old Farm, Kingsclere in the 1881 > Census, hence my interest in him. > > He was born in Swallowfield about Mar 1851 to George Ford and > Mary GILES. > > David married Ann SIDERY in Reading Mar Qtr 1877 and had > many children in Kingsclere, most of these I haven't found baptisms > for so probably they were Methodists:- > Emily 1877-1961 > Eveline ca 1879 > Walter John ca 1880 > Reginald Charles ca 1884 > Tom ca 1885 > George Ernest ca 1887 > May ca 1889 > Nellie 1890 > Hubert ca 1891 > Hilda Mary ca 1893 > Edith ca 1894 > Louie ca 1896 > David ca 1898 > Victor ca 1898 > > George Ford married Mary GILES Reading RD Mar Qtr 1848 and had > Joseph George ca1849, > David John ca1851, > Mary Elizabeth ca1853, > Sarah Ann ca1855, > George Daniel ca1857 > Walter ca1860. > > Mary died in Hurst Sep Qtr 1863 and George then married Sarah GILES > Reading RD Mar Qtr 1865 and had > Kate ca1866, > Emily ca1867, > Ernest ca1869 > George ca 1871 > > Both Mary & Sarah Giles were born in Wokingham in 1825 and 1828 so > may have been sisters. > > George Giles senior was born in Sherborn(e) Hants in 1825 according > to Census data but there is no baptism for him in Hants Bapt Index. > However I did find a record on-line for George FORD, Birth: 25 > Jun 1825, Christening: 24 Aug 1825. London Street Independent, > Basingstoke. Parents: David & Elizabeth Ford. > > Hants Marr Index has a David Ford married to Elizabeth Duckett in > Basingstoke on 29 Apr 1819 but there are no baptisms for these 2 in > the Hants Bap Index, however the IGI has David born 21 Feb 1822 and > Elizabeth Mary born 17 Feb 1820 both baptised at London Street > Independant. > > 1841 Census has David age 45 farmer, Elizabeth 50, Elizabeth 20, > David 18 and George 15 at Checkenden Oxf. > > 1851 Census has him at Church End Farm, Tilehurst age 53 with > Elizabeth age 64 and a nephew George Duckett age 28 born Rotherwick, > > David seems to have stayed at Church End Farm until the 1870s but is > recorded as a widower in 1871 in St. Mary Reading. He is recorded > as born in Worting in 1861 and Elizabeth born in Sherfield in 1851 and > 1861 Census. > > Finally I have David as a son of John & Ann Ford who had these > children at Worting:- > Mary ca 1789 > Daniel ca 1790 > John ca 1793 > David ca 1796-1871/ > George ca 1798 > Thomas ca 1805 > Anne ca 1810 > > So where were John & Ann married and where did they come from. I am > unable to access the IGI site this morning for some reason. > > I'll update my on-line database later today. > > -- > John Lewis > Debian (Sid) with the GeneWeb genealogy package > ---------------------------------------- >>From Kingsclere.If you get unsubscribed and did not ask to be >>unsubscribed, please contact List Admin. > ---------------------------------------- > Changing your Email address, > unsubscribe with your old address and Subscribe to the List with your new > email address. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.1/805 - Release Date: 15/05/2007 > 10:47 > >

Hi John The 1747 Hanson FORD does indeed appear to be a likely candidate. I've now discovered that Hanson and FORD and Elizabeth TIDBURY had one other daughter, Hannah, baptised on 17 September 1786 at Thatcham. The Berkshire Burial Index (CD from the Berkshire Family History Society) has the burial of Anson Ford on 11th May 1788 at Thatcham. His status was "poor" so presumably the parish paid for his burial. There are rather a lot of Elizabeth Fords in the burial index, many of whom have no age, but with Hanson's premature death it seems highly likely that Elizabeth would have remarried. The Family Search website is still not working properly so I can't check at the moment. Debbie In a message dated 16/05/2007 15:34:28 GMT Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Hi Debbie I did wonder if you would be able to add to what I had found, so many thanks for the family of David & Ann. Given a birth date of 1749 for Elizabeth I think it highly likely she married the Hanson bapt. 28 Jun 1747 at Shaw to Richard & Ann and have made this connection in my database.

David John Ford was farming at Old Farm, Kingsclere in the 1881 Census, hence my interest in him. He was born in Swallowfield about Mar 1851 to George Ford and Mary GILES. David married Ann SIDERY in Reading Mar Qtr 1877 and had many children in Kingsclere, most of these I haven't found baptisms for so probably they were Methodists:- Emily 1877-1961 Eveline ca 1879 Walter John ca 1880 Reginald Charles ca 1884 Tom ca 1885 George Ernest ca 1887 May ca 1889 Nellie 1890 Hubert ca 1891 Hilda Mary ca 1893 Edith ca 1894 Louie ca 1896 David ca 1898 Victor ca 1898 George Ford married Mary GILES Reading RD Mar Qtr 1848 and had Joseph George ca1849, David John ca1851, Mary Elizabeth ca1853, Sarah Ann ca1855, George Daniel ca1857 Walter ca1860. Mary died in Hurst Sep Qtr 1863 and George then married Sarah GILES Reading RD Mar Qtr 1865 and had Kate ca1866, Emily ca1867, Ernest ca1869 George ca 1871 Both Mary & Sarah Giles were born in Wokingham in 1825 and 1828 so may have been sisters. George Giles senior was born in Sherborn(e) Hants in 1825 according to Census data but there is no baptism for him in Hants Bapt Index. However I did find a record on-line for George FORD, Birth: 25 Jun 1825, Christening: 24 Aug 1825. London Street Independent, Basingstoke. Parents: David & Elizabeth Ford. Hants Marr Index has a David Ford married to Elizabeth Duckett in Basingstoke on 29 Apr 1819 but there are no baptisms for these 2 in the Hants Bap Index, however the IGI has David born 21 Feb 1822 and Elizabeth Mary born 17 Feb 1820 both baptised at London Street Independant. 1841 Census has David age 45 farmer, Elizabeth 50, Elizabeth 20, David 18 and George 15 at Checkenden Oxf. 1851 Census has him at Church End Farm, Tilehurst age 53 with Elizabeth age 64 and a nephew George Duckett age 28 born Rotherwick, David seems to have stayed at Church End Farm until the 1870s but is recorded as a widower in 1871 in St. Mary Reading. He is recorded as born in Worting in 1861 and Elizabeth born in Sherfield in 1851 and 1861 Census. Finally I have David as a son of John & Ann Ford who had these children at Worting:- Mary ca 1789 Daniel ca 1790 John ca 1793 David ca 1796-1871/ George ca 1798 Thomas ca 1805 Anne ca 1810 So where were John & Ann married and where did they come from. I am unable to access the IGI site this morning for some reason. I'll update my on-line database later today. -- John Lewis Debian (Sid) with the GeneWeb genealogy package

On Tue, 15 May 2007 11:43:45 +0100 "Denis R. Hamilton" <[email protected]> wrote: > I have just been on John's Website and note that he has a report I > made re Jonathan. This report has the date of Marriage for > Jonathan and Ann SMITH as the 16 April 1777 but it was the 26 April > 1777. The Banns were called at St. Marys on the 24th Nov, 1st & > 8th Dec 1776 [Page 59 Entry No. 325]. I do have the correct date for the marriage as I had checked, as I do most times, with the actual entry on the fiche. But thanks for mentioning it. > Under the Will of his Grandfather John JEWELL, because his Aunt > Sarah BRISTER had died, Jonathan inherited his Grandfathers estate > - the wording describes him as "my loving Grandson". The amount of > the estate did not amount to £40 [I hold copy of Will]. I'll add that note to Jonathan's page. > I have Ann SMITH as being Baptised on the 15 May 1744 at St. Marys, It is possible I picked the wrong Ann to marry Jonathan to :-( When the lamp for my fiche reader gets delivered I'll check the baptisms register as I don't currently have an Ann baptised on 15th May 1744 in the database. > The change of name of the man Elizabeth JEWELL married. I see John > LEWIS has John FORD and now I see it is reported as Richard FORD. > As I have not personally researched the FORD family can we take it > that the Australian correspondent's research is correct - grateful > for the info. I don't know where I got the name John Ford from as I cannot find any source for this in my collection of emails. The IGI does have him as Richard plus all the family Barbara listed _but_ it is a member submitted entry on the IGI so without further evidence it has to be suspect. The IGI has no extracted records for Shaw cum Donnington on-line so if someone happens to be visiting Berks RO and can check the actual registers for us it would help. I have done some digging into on-line records and found a William Ford and an Abraham Ford raising families in Burghfield and wonder if they could be the two listed by Barbara as baptised in Shaw in 1755 and 1768 respectively. An Abraham Ford married Martha Trewin at St. Mary the Virgin, Burghfield on 29 Apr 1793 and had Elizabeth ca 1794, Richard ca 1796, Charles ca 1801 and David ca 1805 A William Ford married Sarah Higgs at the same church on 20 Jul 1777, I haven't recorded his children as yet. These marriage dates fit the ages of the two baptised in Shaw pretty well. I haven't been able to link together the Hanson Fords as yet but have found several more, Hanson Ford married Mary BURBIDGE 30 Oct 1715 in Newbury and had William ca1720, Richard ca1722, John ca1724 and Hanson ca1725. I have the 1722 Richard married to Ann BENNET with Hanson ca1747, Mary ca1748 and David ca 1751. (Children bapt at Shaw.) Hanson Ford married Elizabeth TIDBURY at St. Mary Thatcham on 14 May 1780 and had 2 children Dinah ca1782 and Esther ca1784. Maybe others born elsewhere. Hanson ca1818 Sulhamstead married Elizabeth CORDERY in Hartley Wintney RD (probably Heckfield) in Dec Qtr 184. He was a widow in 1861 Census and married Jane TULL in Bradfield RD Sep Qtr 1864. He had Charles ca1842, Eliza ca1844, Joshua ca1846, Caleb ca1846, William ca1848, Hanson ca1851 and James ca1853 from the fist marriage and Ann Hannah ca1865, Alfred ca1867 and David ca1869 from the second marriage. I have more Fords but I'll put my queries about one particular family into another email as they don't seem to link to the Berkshire ones. -- John Lewis Debian (Sid) with the GeneWeb genealogy package

In a message dated 16/05/2007 09:24:44 GMT Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Hanson Ford married Elizabeth TIDBURY at St. Mary Thatcham on 14 May 1780 and had 2 children Dinah ca1782 and Esther ca1784. Maybe others born elsewhere. John The Elizabeth TIDBURY who married Hanson FORD is I believe the daughter of David TIDBURY and Ann BIRD who married at St Mary's Thatcham on 3rd May 1744. David TIDBURY and Ann BIRD had the following children: 1. David TIDBURY, baptised 7th April 1745 at Thatcham. He married Sarah WITHERS on 24th October 1772 at St Mary's, Thatcham. At the time of the marriage David was from Greenham and Sarah was from Newtown, Hampshire. David Tidbury signed the register (name spelt Tidbery) and Sarah Withers signed with her mark. The witnesses were John THAME and Edward WINBOLT (Edward Winbolt was the parish clerk and he was a witness at many of the Thatcham marriages at this time). David and Sarah had eight children including Jane TIDBURY b.1783 who married William KEWELL of Ecchinswell in 1803 at Thatcham. Their daughter Phoebe KEWELL married another David TIDBURY c. 1821. This David Tidbury (my gggg grandfather) served with the Royal Welch Fusiliers in the Napoleonic Wars and was at Albuera, Badajoz, Salamanca, Vittoria, etc. He was also a survivor of the Battle of Waterloo, where he fought in Captain Campbell's No. 5 company. I have been unable to find any record of the marriage of David TIDBURY and Phoebe KEWELL. 2. Ann TIDBURY, baptised 19th April 1747 at Thatcham. She married Daniel FASSETT on 16th November 1767 at St Mary's Thatcham. The witnesses were Barth. DUCK and David TIDBURY (presumably Ann's brother or father). 3. Elizabeth TIDBURY, baptised 9th April 1749 at Thatcham. She married Hanson FORD on 14th May 1780 at St Mary's Thatcham. Hanson was a bachelor and Elizabeth was a spinster. They were both of this parish. They were married by banns. The witnesses were Daniel FASSETT and Edw. WINBOLT. 4. Rose TIDBURY, baptised 17th February 1754 at Thatcham. She married Thomas WYATT on 12th April 1779 at Thatcham. Thomas and Rose were both of this parish. They were married by banns. The witnesses were David TIDBURY and Edw. WINBOLT. I haven't yet followed up on any of the Fassetts, Fords or Wyatts. Debbie Kennett

I have just been on John's Website and note that he has a report I made re Jonathan. This report has the date of Marriage for Jonathan and Ann SMITH as the 16 April 1777 but it was the 26 April 1777. The Banns were called at St. Marys on the 24th Nov, 1st & 8th Dec 1776 [Page 59 Entry No. 325]. I have always wondered why the Marriage took place so long after the Banns were called - was there a holdup due to the Bastardy Order that was made against Francis LAWRENCE, Jonathan being Base Born to Elizabeth JEWELL. Under the Will of his Grandfather John JEWELL, because his Aunt Sarah BRISTER had died, Jonathan inherited his Grandfathers estate - the wording describes him as "my loving Grandson". The amount of the estate did not amount to £40 [I hold copy of Will]. I have Ann SMITH as being Baptised on the 15 May 1744 at St. Marys, K. The change of name of the man Elizabeth JEWELL married. I see John LEWIS has John FORD and now I see it is reported as Richard FORD. As I have not personally researched the FORD family can we take it that the Australian correspondent's research is correct - grateful for the info. Denis

On Monday 14 May 2007 15:43:14 Barbara Mallyon wrote: > Hello John and All, > > I have been helping an Australian researcher with Elizabeth JEWELL, is > anyone interested in this information. > John I know you have some of this information on your website. > http://startx.co.uk/Kingsclere > > Elizabeth JEWELL baptised 9 Dec 1726 St. Mary's Church, Kingsclere. > Parents are John JEWELL and Mary ?? Elizabeth gave birth to an > illegitimate son by Francis > LAWRENCE. Son Jonathan JEWELL was baptised > 16 Apr 1749 St. Mary's Church Kingsclere. > Jonathan married Ann SMITH 10 Nov 1781 St. Mary's, Kingsclere. They > have 6 children. > Hi Barbara, John and all, Do we know from the death of Ann Jewell nee Smith a birth date so that her parents might be identified? Still trying to track down all of my three separate ancestor Smith families in Kingsclere, Baughurst and Burghclere. Regards, Nigel

Hello John and All, I have been helping an Australian researcher with Elizabeth JEWELL, is anyone interested in this information. John I know you have some of this information on your website. http://startx.co.uk/Kingsclere Elizabeth JEWELL baptised 9 Dec 1726 St. Mary's Church, Kingsclere. Parents are John JEWELL and Mary ?? Elizabeth gave birth to an illegitimate son by Francis LAWRENCE. Son Jonathan JEWELL was baptised 16 Apr 1749 St. Mary's Church Kingsclere. Jonathan married Ann SMITH 10 Nov 1781 St. Mary's, Kingsclere. They have 6 children. Elizabeth married Richard FORD born about 1720 Shaw Cum Donnington, Berkshire Their children Sarah baptised 2 May 1752 John baptised 13 January 1754 William baptised 30 March 1755 Hannah baptised 26 February 1758 married James BROOKER 11 May 1778 Mary's Church, Kingsclere Charles baptised 20 July 1760 Mary baptised 8 May 1763 died 11 May 1763 Hester baptised 9 December 1765 married John WHITE 4 September 1791 Shaw With, Donnington, Berkshire, Abraham baptised 25 April 1768 All baptised and buried at Shaw With, Donnington, Berkshire unless another parish given. All listed in the IGI. John you have Hester FORD baptised 1751, I could not find death for her. Notes. Baptism of Hanson FORD Father: Richard FORD Mother: Ann BENNET baptised 28 JUN 1747 Shaw With, Donnington, Berkshire Baptism Mary FORD 12 FEB 1748 Shaw With, Donnington, Father: Richard FORD Mother Ann BENNET Baptism David FORD 24 APR 1751 Shaw With, Donnington, Father: Richard FORD Family Mother: Ann BENNET Kind regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants. UK [email protected]

On Mon, 7 May 2007 08:30:32 +0100 "Beverley Smith" <[email protected]> wrote: > I would like to thank John Lewis for his kind answer re the > Bates/Smiths. I'm really grasping at straws here, but I think I'm > on the right track, I have a marriage at Hamstead Marshall > Berkshire in 1796 of a Rose Green to George Matthews a Sophia Bates > was a witness. There is no other Sophia Bates that we can find that > might fit. I can now confirm the family of James & Mary Bates of Frobury Farm consisted of James ca 1766 John ca 1767 Thomas ca 1769-1769 William ca 1770 Thomas ca 1771 Mary ca 1773 Charles ca 1774 Hannah ca 1777 &ca 1800 James Ruddle Moses ca 1778-1779 Sophia ca 1780 &1802 Joseph Smith Samuel ca 1782 Elizabeth 1785 all these have abode of parents as Frobury with one exception and that is the first child James but given his name matches his father I think it likely he is part of the family. I cannot prove one way or another which Mary (Green or Gallant) is the mother but given the marriage to Mary Green took place on 28 Jul 1766 and James was baptised in Dec 1766 I think it likely that Mary Green _is_ the mother. >Also the name Sophia has been used constantly in our > Family since this time.It would help if Mary Green had a sister or > relative called Rose we have no proof of who Rose Green was.So if > we could find baptisims for Mary and Rose it would be great also > for the James Bates. We have also a John Bates marrying a Betty > Matthews at Hamstead Marshall in 1793 , on the IGI if one puts in > the parents James Bates and Mary Green one gets quite a list of > offspring and there is a John b 1767 which would fit . Once again > thankyou. I really appreciate it. Regards Beverley Smith I'll have a look to see what I can find regarding the Greens later. I'm still looking at Bates and am curious about these census entries: 1851 Census, St. Mary Street, Bridgnorth: Mary Bates, head, U, 39 grocer and confectioner, Hampshire Jane Pearce, , U, 30, grocer and confectioner, Shrops Sarah Gwennop, sister, wid, 37, fund holder, Hampshire Sarah Louise Gwennop, niece, 8, London Lucy Ann Pearce, niece, 12, Shrops 1861 Census, Alveley, Shrops: Mary Bates, head, U, 49, farmer of 49 acres, Kingsclere Jane Pearce, partner, U, 40, Salop Sarah Gwennap, boarder, wid, 47, landed proprietor, Kingsclere James Gwennap, boarder, U, 18 annuitant, Hampton, Middx (this census entry is far from clear) 1871 Census, Hen Green House, Alveley, Shrops: Jane Pearce, head, U, 52, farmer of 41 acres, Stockton, Salop Sarah Gwinnap, sister, wid, 58, Kingsclere Mary ca1810 and Sarah Bates ca1812 were sisters born to Richard and Mirriam in Kingsclere Town where Richard was an Innkeeper (one of the few Bates I've looked at who were not yeoman farmers). But I have no idea who Jane Pearce is or how she is related to Sarah. FreeBMD has Marriages Dec 1841: BATES Sarah & GWENNAP Thomas, St Jas Westr 1 88. The only Thomas I could find in the 1841 census was a 70 year old :-) yet Sarah Gwennap seems to have had 2 children Sarah Louisa ca 1842 and James ca 1843 both born in Middlesex. Sarah L Gwennap married RYLEY James B, Sep Qtr 1866, Bridgnorth 6a 995 and 1871 Census has 1871 Census, Rectory Road, Woolwich: James B Ryley, head, 30, general practioner, Delhi, East Indies Sarah Louisa, wife, 27, Middlesex, London -- John Lewis Debian (Sid) with the GeneWeb genealogy package

Attn; Dorothy Jones, I am interested in the family of James & Mary Bates Farmer of Frobury. Not certain they are ours but feel its more than possible. So I will send for a copy of a will I saw on the Hampshire records site. Thank you Beverley Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dorothy Jones" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 11:01 AM Subject: [King] Fw: query - CORRECTION > Correction: > > This is the link to take you direct to the Kingsclere page: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ENG/ENG-HAMPSHIRE-KINGSCLERE.html > > Dorothy J. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dorothy Jones" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 10:55 AM > Subject: Re: [King] query > > >> Beverley >> >> If you've not already done so, click on the link to Search >> the ENG-HAMPSHIRE-KINGSCLERE archives >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search and enter the >> name Bates and you will find exchanges between Jim BATES, >> myself and others, concerning research, wills etc for the >> Bates family of Kingsclere/Ecchinswell. I've not heard >> from Jim since my last submission. >> >> Dorothy J. > > > ---------------------------------------- >>From Kingsclere.If you get unsubscribed and did not ask to be >>unsubscribed, please contact List Admin. > ---------------------------------------- > Changing your Email address, > unsubscribe with your old address and Subscribe to the List with your new > email address. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.6/795 - Release Date: 09/05/2007 > 15:07 > >