Does anyone have the full record of the marriage of Letitia KEWELL nee BRIDGEMAN and John ANDREWS? They married in the first quarter of 1866 in the Kingsclere Registration District, probably at St Lawrence, Ecchinswell, or St Mary's, Kingsclere. Letitia BRIDGEMAN was born in 1816 in Burghclere, the daughter of Joseph and Ann BRIDGEMAN. Letitia was previously married to John KEWELL. I believe John Andrews is the one on John Lewis's website who was born in Sydmonton in 1822 the son of William ANDREWS and Lucy PROUT. Debbie Kennett

Many thanks Dorothy for checking Amos BROWNJOHN's admon papers. I suspect you're right that Hannah KEWELL was acting as Amos's housekeeper and looking after his children after the death of his wife in 1795. Perhaps if he'd lived longer he might have made an honest woman of her! Timothy BROWNJOHN seems to have married a lady called Ann from Ipsden in Oxfordshire. In the 1851 and 1871 censuses Timothy's place of birth is given as Ipsden (presumably in error), but in 1861 his place of birth is given as Higgerswill, Hampshire. The name is written quite clearly on the page but I can't think where Higgerswill might be. Does anyone have any ideas? I shall be interested to learn more about the 1782 Bastardy Bond. This occurred six years before Amos BROWNJOHN's marriage to Mary BATHE in 1788. Debbie Kennett

To put these several documents very briefly: John BROWNJOHN, Miller - Brother of Amos BROWNJOHN Yeoman deceased of Ecchinswell, widower who died intestate - was appointed Guardian and Curator to the natural and lawful children of Amos BROWNJOHN during their minorities: Mary BROWNJOHN aged 15 or thereabouts Amos BROWNJOHN aged 13 or thereabouts Timothy BROWNJOHN aged 11 or thereabouts and Elisha BROWNJOHN aged 9 or thereabouts. Of the children, only Elisha provided a signature to the document agreeing to this arrangement; his elders made their marks. So it would seem that events overtook any thoughts Amos senior might have had for his own future and that of all the children he sired. It appears likely that Hannah KEWELL might have been a housekeeper/surrogate mother to his legitimate children following the death of their mother whilst they were very young. There is also amongst the Kingsclere Overseers papers a Bastardy bond of 1782 concerning a child of Ann Hampton, singlewoman. Thomas Brownjohn, yeoman and Amos Brownjohn (father), servant, both of Kingsclere were bound in the sum of £40. I'll take a look at this next time I'm at HRO. It would appear that of the burials listed on John's site, the Mary BROWNJOHN buried 09 Feb 1795 is likely to have been the wife of Amos, having regard to Elisha's age in 1803. Dorothy J.

Hello Jeff & Listers. I for one would be very interested in any photos of Emma BRADLEY/ John BROWN, as Emma was my 2x great-aunt (the sister of my great-grandmother, Esther BRADLEY). Mike ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/mail/winter07.html

I wondered if any of the BROWNJOHN researchers on the list might be able to tell me which Mr BROWNJOHN might be the father of James BROWNJOHN KEWELL. James was the illegitimate son of Hannah KEWELL and he was baptised on 17th May 1796 in Kingsclere. The Kingsclere Overseers' Accounts from 1809 onwards record that Hannah KEWELL was in receipt of regular payments for a daughter. I don't have a corresponding baptism for an illegitimate daughter. Did James BROWNJOHN KEWELL die young? Does anyone know the name of the illegitimate daughter? Was Mr BROWNJOHN the father? Debbie Kennett

Hi Everyone, I have been asked to send this message again to the List. Please trim your messages, this means, just leave the last message that you have replied to and delete the rest of the messages including the message from Kingsclere Admin, many thanks for your help. Kind regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants. UK [email protected] List Admin

Hi Elizabeth and Dorothy, I'm indeed very interested, what a find I now go back another generation. Dorothy I will contact you off list and thank you for your offer. I will now go and have a look back to John Lewis's Kingsclere site. I will contact you as well Elizabeth. Cheers Les Gover Australia

Hello Barbara You gave out a request not so long ago for people to trim when sending messages. I am getting frustrated and annoyed at the number of people hitting "Reply" [laziness] or trimming messages put on the Kingsclere Site - it has reached "ridiculous" this week by Mike HUTCHINS and Vicki [Historyresearch]. I cannot for the life of me see when they have given a straight forward reply that we have to have all the previous persons remarks and sometimes more. If one is following the Site and interested in a particular family then the follow on remarks are all that is needed if the person has kept the previous E Mails, which they should have done if the name interests them. I am just fed up with all this going into my Hard Drive especially when deleting. PLEASE give out another warning or this is one Subscriber who will be saying goodbye to a Website that has been so good and is of interest to me. Please do not take offence at my remarks, I just feel it needs saying. Denis

Joy, Dorothy, Greg, Many thanks for your input. I'll think of them as farmer's headman, a little status doesn't hurt Regards Geoff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gregory Ross" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [King] What's a Fogger? > Hi Geoff > The English Dialect Dictionary entry reads Fogger: "A farmer's headman, > one who attends to the cattle, horses and pigs; a groom, a manservant. > > yours > > Greg Ross > > > > ======================================== > Message Received: May 22 2007, 07:09 PM > From: "Geoff Hunt" > To: [email protected] > Cc: > Subject: [King] What's a Fogger? > > On Thomas Hunt's marriage Cert. both he and his father Daniel give their > profession as " Fogger ". I assume it has something to do with horses but > can anyone help with a better job description? > Geoff > ---------------------------------------- >>From Kingsclere.If you get unsubscribed and did not ask to be >>unsubscribed, please contact List Admin. > ---------------------------------------- > Changing your Email address, > unsubscribe with your old address and Subscribe to the List with your new > email address. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ---------------------------------------- >>From Kingsclere.If you get unsubscribed and did not ask to be >>unsubscribed, please contact List Admin. > ---------------------------------------- > Changing your Email address, > unsubscribe with your old address and Subscribe to the List with your new > email address. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Geoff The English Dialect Dictionary entry reads Fogger: "A farmer's headman, one who attends to the cattle, horses and pigs; a groom, a manservant. yours Greg Ross ======================================== Message Received: May 22 2007, 07:09 PM From: "Geoff Hunt" To: [email protected] Cc: Subject: [King] What's a Fogger? On Thomas Hunt's marriage Cert. both he and his father Daniel give their profession as " Fogger ". I assume it has something to do with horses but can anyone help with a better job description? Geoff ---------------------------------------- >From Kingsclere.If you get unsubscribed and did not ask to be unsubscribed, please contact List Admin. ---------------------------------------- Changing your Email address, unsubscribe with your old address and Subscribe to the List with your new email address. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dorothy, Very many thanks for doing that-and so quickly! It will be of interest to Les Gover as it would appear that his Church BROWNJOHN c1830 and my Michael BROWNJOHN bpt 1825 at Kingsclere as BROWN are brothers! Regards Elizabeth ___________________________________________________________ Inbox full of unwanted email? Get leading protection and 1GB storage with All New Yahoo! Mail. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html

I thought Debbie should have time to savour this one before I put it to the list. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dorothy Jones" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 9:22 PM Subject: David TIDBURY - Marriage at East Woodhay East Woodhay Marriage No.60 18 March 1822 by Banns David PEDBURY otp (sgd TIDBURY) Phoebe KUELL spinster otp (x) Witnesses: Jeremiah & Ann PEDBURY (both made marks.) When I get a chance, I'll have a look at the transcripts held in the archives, to see what the transcriber made of the entry. Unfortunately they're not out on the open shelves so I think they must form part of the parish deposit. Regular 'Listers' will know the feeling when something so long sought-after surfaces. Eureka! Dorothy J.

HRO Ref: 1768A/013 Testator: Thomas BROWNJOHN of the parish of Kingsclere, Yeoman. Dated: 05 Sep 1761 Proved: 08 Jun 1768 Legatees [of small monetary sums]: Son Thomas Son Michael Son James Son John Daughter Mary BENHAM Residue to Son Church BROWNJOHN, Sole Executor. Signature & seal of Testator: Thomas BROWNJOHN Signatures of Witnesses: Joseph MUNDAY; Chas TOMLIN Following my usual practice, I will forward a full transcript to Elizabeth in due course and anyone else who cares to contact me off-list. Dorothy J. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Adams" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 4:16 PM Subject: [King] BROWNJOHN Will The CALM database has details of the Will of a Thomas BROWNJOHN of Kingsclere, which I am interested in,the access states "on fiche-do not produce original". The current search fee being charged by the HRO is £24.oo per hour,does anyone know if this is about the average fee these days? It may not be very easy to decipher! Elizabeth

Bear in mind that 'cattle', in this context, also applied to horses in the golden era of Coaching. Dorothy J. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joy" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 7:39 PM Subject: Re: [King] What's a Fogger? > Fogger: [1] Petty chapman, carrying wares from village to > village. > [2] Middleman in nail and chain trade. > [3] Agricultural worker responsible for feeding the > cattle. > [4] Low class lawyer (Pettifogger). > > This definition is from ukonline. You would have to figure > out which one is > most likely for your folks. > > Joy

On Thomas Hunt's marriage Cert. both he and his father Daniel give their profession as " Fogger ". I assume it has something to do with horses but can anyone help with a better job description? Geoff

Jello Mike, Thanks for that. I think that birth below may be the child Maud that I was given. Haven't isolated a Henry yet, but you may be right about Dorothy and Christine. Births Jun 1912 Rabbitts Olive M Mace Kingsclere 2c 465 Regards Vicki ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Hutchins" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 9:06 PM Subject: Re: [King] Wallace RABBITS > Hello Vicki, > I should be more thorough when I check my records because, apart from the > newly added Wallace Henry and Florence May, I do have 4 other children of > Arthur and Louisa. Here are the details: > > - Reginald Arthur born 15/7/05 at Goose Hill, Headley; bapt 27/2/06 > (Newbury Primitive Methodist circuit, chapel location not stated). > > - Victor Charles born 4/6/10 at White House Cottages, Plastow Green; bapt > 4/10/10 (Methodist, as above). > > - Bertha Doris born and bapt as for Victor. > > - Audrey C. born 20/6/26 at White House Cottages, Plastow Green; bapt > 20/7/26 (Methodist, as above). > > So, not complete agreement with the names you've been told except I wonder > if "Christine" was Audrey C. and perhaps Dorothy was Doris?? Otherwise all > those extra children still to find! > > Cheers.... Mike > > > >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "historyresearch" >> >> > <[email protected]>> > To: >> >> > <[email protected]>> > Sent: Friday, May 18, >> >> > 2007 6:16 PM> > Subject: [King] Wallace RABBITS> >> >> >> Hello >> >> > all,> >> Can someone perhaps save me some money on certificates. I >> >> > am trying> >> to find out who Wallace RABBITTS parents were. He >> >> > married Gladys> >> SELLWOOD in 1936 Kingsclere Reg Dist. I think his >> >> > parents were> >> Arthur RABBITTS and Louisa MACE marr 1905 >> >> > Kingsclere Reg Dist. I> >> have also been told that his siblings >> >> > were Reginald,Florence,> >> Gladys, Henry, Dorothy, Maud, and >> >> > Christine. John has a possible> >> family on his site, but I would >> >> > be grateful if anyone on the list> >> can help me prove the >> >> > connection. Thanks> >> Regards> >> Vicki > _________________________________________________________________ > Try Live.com: where your online world comes together - with news, sports, > weather, and much more. > http://www.live.com/getstarted > ---------------------------------------- >>From Kingsclere.If you get unsubscribed and did not ask to be >>unsubscribed, please contact List Admin. > ---------------------------------------- > Changing your Email address, > unsubscribe with your old address and Subscribe to the List with your new > email address. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Mike, Yes, it is. I, too had been going through the Indexes and questioning my source for more info. I have now managed to link Wallace Henry with Henry Rabbitts 1840 and Emma Povey, and back from him to Richard Rabbitts1807 and Maria Holmes, where I find another link to my family. Henry's sister Caroline marr James Vince 1833, and their son, William 1857 Eccinswell, married Keturah Knight of Englefield who was aunt of Isaac Knight who married Eliza Sellwood, one of mine. Round and round in circles!! Thanks for your help, everyone. Just now need to cross the t's and dot the i's. It seems that the male offspring of Wallace Knight and Gladys Sellwood all changed their surname from Rabbitts to Richards. Regards Vicki ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Hutchins" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 7:39 PM Subject: Re: [King] Wallace RABBITS > Hello Vicki, > Checking the GRO deaths on Ancestry I found that a Wallace Henry Rabbitts > death was registered at Reading in Oct-1998; birthdate given as > 18-Dec-1915. Possibly Gladys' husband, do you think? If so, he and Wallace > Frederick are clearly different men. > > Mike > > > >> From: [email protected]> To: >> [email protected]> Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 01:23:59 >> +0100> Subject: Re: [King] Wallace RABBITS> > Hello John,> Yes, I am >> going to have to get the marriage cert to give me Wallace's father > and >> question my source a bit more closely. She told me that Wallace > >> Rabbitt's mother was Louisa Mace and his siblings names, so I put two and >> > two together for the marriage of her and Arthur Rabbitts in 1905 >> Newbury Reg > Dist. According to the marriage to Gladys Sellwood on >> Ancestry in 1936 > Wallace was Wallace H, not F, but I haven't yet found >> a birth. Thanks > anyway. Another one for the list. Or two or three if >> Wallace's father should > prove to be Arthur.> Vicki Turner nee Sellwood> >> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "john lewis" >> <[email protected]>> To: <[email protected]>> Sent: >> Friday, May 18, 2007 11:27 PM> Subject: Re: [King] Wallace RABBITS> > > > >> On Fri, 18 May 2007 18:16:20 +0100> > "hi! > storyresearch" <[email protected]> wrote:> >> >> Can someone > perhaps save me some money on certificates. I am trying> >> to find out > who Wallace RABBITTS parents were. He married Gladys> >> SELLWOOD in 1936 > Kingsclere Reg Dist. I think his parents were> >> Arthur RABBITTS and > Louisa MACE marr 1905 Kingsclere Reg Dist. I> >> have also been told that > his siblings were Reginald,Florence,> >> Gladys, Henry, Dorothy, Maud, and > Christine. John has a possible> >> family on his site, but I would be > grateful if anyone on the list> >> can help me prove the connection. > Thanks Regards Vicki> >> > As you have seen I have Wallace Frederick > baptised at St. Paul on 9> > Aug 1908. with parents Albert George and > Flora Matilda.> >> > A search on FreeBMD found> >> > Marriages Jun 1897: > Rabbits Albert George & Rabbits Flora Matilda,> > Kingsclere 2c 502.> >> > > There is no marriage in the St. Paul or St Mary registers but I> > suspect > this may have been a Methodist Marriage and the fic! > he I have> > starts in 1912 so is no help. I did check for a marriage > of Wallace &> > Gladys on that fiche but no luck.> >> > Flora Matilda was > born about 1786 to Henry Rabbits and Sarah (LEACH)> > She was a second > cousin of Josiah Roberts, father of Albert George.> >> > 1901 Census, > Exmansford:> > Albert George Rabbits, head, 32, threshing machine worker,> > > Kingsclere> > Flora Matilda -do-, wife, 24, Hannington> > Arthur G, son, > 5, Wolverton> > Albert E, son, 3, Kingsclere> > Daisy Ellen, dau, 2, > Kingsclere> >> > an afraid you will have to get the marriage cert> >> > -- > > > John Lewis> > Debian (Sid) with the GeneWeb genealogy package> > > ----------------------------------------> >>From Kingsclere.If you get > unsubscribed and did not ask to be > >>unsubscribed, please contact List > Admin.> > ----------------------------------------> > Changing your Email > address,> > unsubscribe with your old address and Subscribe to the List > with your new > > email address.> > -------------------------------> > To > unsubscribe from the list, please send an email! > to > > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message> > > > ----------------------------------------> >From > Kingsclere.If you get unsubscribed and did not ask to be unsubscribed, > please contact List Admin.> ----------------------------------------> > Changing your Email address,> unsubscribe with your old address and > Subscribe to the List with your new email > address.> -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, > please send an email to [email protected] with > the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself: design your homepage the way you want it with Live.com. > http://www.live.com/getstarted > ---------------------------------------- >>From Kingsclere.If you get unsubscribed and did not ask to be >>unsubscribed, please contact List Admin. > ---------------------------------------- > Changing your Email address, > unsubscribe with your old address and Subscribe to the List with your new > email address. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Just a small correction. Flora Matilda was born Dec 1876, chr. 19/2/1877 Kingsclere St. Mary's, not 1786 (111 seems a bit ancient for a first, or any, wife). Eileen john lewis <[email protected]> wrote: On Fri, 18 May 2007 18:16:20 +0100 "historyresearch" wrote: > Can someone perhaps save me some money on certificates. I am trying > to find out who Wallace RABBITTS parents were. He married Gladys > SELLWOOD in 1936 Kingsclere Reg Dist. I think his parents were > Arthur RABBITTS and Louisa MACE marr 1905 Kingsclere Reg Dist. I > have also been told that his siblings were Reginald,Florence, > Gladys, Henry, Dorothy, Maud, and Christine. John has a possible > family on his site, but I would be grateful if anyone on the list > can help me prove the connection. Thanks Regards Vicki As you have seen I have Wallace Frederick baptised at St. Paul on 9 Aug 1908. with parents Albert George and Flora Matilda. A search on FreeBMD found Marriages Jun 1897: Rabbits Albert George & Rabbits Flora Matilda, Kingsclere 2c 502. There is no marriage in the St. Paul or St Mary registers but I suspect this may have been a Methodist Marriage and the fiche I have starts in 1912 so is no help. I did check for a marriage of Wallace & Gladys on that fiche but no luck. Flora Matilda was born about 1786 to Henry Rabbits and Sarah (LEACH) She was a second cousin of Josiah Roberts, father of Albert George. 1901 Census, Exmansford: Albert George Rabbits, head, 32, threshing machine worker, Kingsclere Flora Matilda -do-, wife, 24, Hannington Arthur G, son, 5, Wolverton Albert E, son, 3, Kingsclere Daisy Ellen, dau, 2, Kingsclere an afraid you will have to get the marriage cert -- John Lewis Debian (Sid) with the GeneWeb genealogy package ---------------------------------------- >From Kingsclere.If you get unsubscribed and did not ask to be unsubscribed, please contact List Admin. ---------------------------------------- Changing your Email address, unsubscribe with your old address and Subscribe to the List with your new email address. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Fogger: [1] Petty chapman, carrying wares from village to village. [2] Middleman in nail and chain trade. [3] Agricultural worker responsible for feeding the cattle. [4] Low class lawyer (Pettifogger). This definition is from ukonline. You would have to figure out which one is most likely for your folks. Joy

Hello Vicki, I should be more thorough when I check my records because, apart from the newly added Wallace Henry and Florence May, I do have 4 other children of Arthur and Louisa. Here are the details: - Reginald Arthur born 15/7/05 at Goose Hill, Headley; bapt 27/2/06 (Newbury Primitive Methodist circuit, chapel location not stated). - Victor Charles born 4/6/10 at White House Cottages, Plastow Green; bapt 4/10/10 (Methodist, as above). - Bertha Doris born and bapt as for Victor. - Audrey C. born 20/6/26 at White House Cottages, Plastow Green; bapt 20/7/26 (Methodist, as above). So, not complete agreement with the names you've been told except I wonder if "Christine" was Audrey C. and perhaps Dorothy was Doris?? Otherwise all those extra children still to find! Cheers.... Mike > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "historyresearch" <[email protected]>> > To: <[email protected]>> > Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 6:16 PM> > Subject: [King] Wallace RABBITS> >> >> >> Hello all,> >> Can someone perhaps save me some money on certificates. I am trying> >> to find out who Wallace RABBITTS parents were. He married Gladys> >> SELLWOOD in 1936 Kingsclere Reg Dist. I think his parents were> >> Arthur RABBITTS and Louisa MACE marr 1905 Kingsclere Reg Dist. I> >> have also been told that his siblings were Reginald,Florence,> >> Gladys, Henry, Dorothy, Maud, and Christine. John has a possible> >> family on his site, but I would be grateful if anyone on the list> >> can help me prove the connection. Thanks> >> Regards> >> Vicki _________________________________________________________________ Try Live.com: where your online world comes together - with news, sports, weather, and much more. http://www.live.com/getstarted