On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 22:15:37 +0100 "Barbara Mallyon" <[email protected]> wrote: > Thank you for your reply to the List. What happened to the Parish > Registers, are they with the Hampshire Record Office, also the > grave stones, has the HRO got a record of them. Hants RO do have the registers, the Parish Register Transcription Society have put the BTs on fiche (now on CD) and HGS have published MIs 1645-1945 on fiche, this includes a plan of the churchyard indicating where the listed headstones were. This fiche also has MIs for the Church of the Ascension, (New) Burghclere, 1829-1987. -- John Lewis Debian (Sid) with the GeneWeb genealogy package

Hi John and All, Thank you for your reply to the List. What happened to the Parish Registers, are they with the Hampshire Record Office, also the grave stones, has the HRO got a record of them. Looking at the website again this may interest some of you. Grave stone of Sarah wife of Joseph RUMBOLD age 62 Grave stone of Joseph RUMBOLD Grave stone of Mary DYER date looks like 1842 Grave stone of another Mary died June 22 June 1861 age 66 years Grave stone of Mary SMITH and Mary REYNOLDS Grave stone in Memory of George WALLACE born 3 November 1808 Grave stone of Dorothy looks like wife? of John WHITE died July 1781 Grave stone with the name of Hannah Wooden Cross with the name Jack GREEN Old Burghclere Lime Pits have now become Old Burghclere Reserve - Botanical, with rare orchids and plants BROWN FAMILY OF WILLIAM WORTHThe twelfth century church of All Saints at Old Burghclere was restored in 1861 but has kept many twelfths and thirteen-century features. ... freepages.genealogy.Rootsweb.com/~worths/brown/richardkingsmill.html - 81k Kind regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants. UK [email protected] List Admin ----- Original Message ----- From: "john lewis" <[email protected]> To: "Kingsclere" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 7:45 AM Subject: [King] Re Old Burghclere, All Saints > On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 21:30:29 +0100 > "Barbara Mallyon" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> What do we know about a place called Old Burghclere, with a Church >> called "All Saints". > > My Grandmother was buried there on 5 April 1922 having died not far > away at Portridge Pit Cottages. My Mother remembered the coffin > being > carried on a horse drawn hearse up the hill past Wergs Farm and then > down the road to cross over the railway line and into the > churchyard. > > She didn't have a headstone, only a simple wooden cross much like > the one in one of those photos, which said "In Loving Memory of our > Dear Mother Em 1875-1922 from her three daughters" > > The photo I have (one of those 3"x2" b&w contact prints) of that > cross is the only photo relating to Grandmother that has survived > the > years since then. I haven't been able to establish just where it was > in the churchyard. > >> The little churchyard with hardly any graves in the usual >> expectation of a graveyard, but a great many old - some very old - >> gravestones leaning against the perimeter wall. > > I haven't been there recently but a comment on one of the pics > on my website* told me it was very neglected and overgrown. > > The church is actually in private grounds and access is really only > allowed for services but I generally park in the road and walk up to > the church. I haven't as yet found it open and I don't know how > often > it is used for services. > >> All Saints Old Burghclere, Hampshire. You may see where Old >> Burghclere is located in this map, courtesy of www.streetmap.co.uk. >> Home. Photographer's comments: ... >> www.ukgraves.info/view.asp?id=130 - 11k >> >> Worth having a look at the photographs. > > * http://www.startx.co.uk/pictures/new > > We used to get off the Winchester-Newbury train at Burghclere and > walk > from there to Ecchinswell when going on summer holidays from > Bournemouth. The carrier picked up our cases and delivered them to > Mill Lane later on > > -- > John Lewis > Debian (Sid) with the GeneWeb genealogy package > > -- > John Lewis > Debian (Sid) with the GeneWeb genealogy package > ---------------------------------------- >>From Kingsclere.If you get unsubscribed and did not ask to be >>unsubscribed, please contact List Admin. > ---------------------------------------- > Changing your Email address, > unsubscribe with your old address and Subscribe to the List with > your new email address. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message

On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 21:30:29 +0100 "Barbara Mallyon" <[email protected]> wrote: > What do we know about a place called Old Burghclere, with a Church > called "All Saints". My Grandmother was buried there on 5 April 1922 having died not far away at Portridge Pit Cottages. My Mother remembered the coffin being carried on a horse drawn hearse up the hill past Wergs Farm and then down the road to cross over the railway line and into the churchyard. She didn't have a headstone, only a simple wooden cross much like the one in one of those photos, which said "In Loving Memory of our Dear Mother Em 1875-1922 from her three daughters" The photo I have (one of those 3"x2" b&w contact prints) of that cross is the only photo relating to Grandmother that has survived the years since then. I haven't been able to establish just where it was in the churchyard. > The little churchyard with hardly any graves in the usual > expectation of a graveyard, but a great many old - some very old - > gravestones leaning against the perimeter wall. I haven't been there recently but a comment on one of the pics on my website* told me it was very neglected and overgrown. The church is actually in private grounds and access is really only allowed for services but I generally park in the road and walk up to the church. I haven't as yet found it open and I don't know how often it is used for services. > All Saints Old Burghclere, Hampshire. You may see where Old > Burghclere is located in this map, courtesy of www.streetmap.co.uk. > Home. Photographer's comments: ... > www.ukgraves.info/view.asp?id=130 - 11k > > Worth having a look at the photographs. * http://www.startx.co.uk/pictures/new We used to get off the Winchester-Newbury train at Burghclere and walk from there to Ecchinswell when going on summer holidays from Bournemouth. The carrier picked up our cases and delivered them to Mill Lane later on -- John Lewis Debian (Sid) with the GeneWeb genealogy package -- John Lewis Debian (Sid) with the GeneWeb genealogy package

Whilst I have no intention of producing a full transcription, there is a Will for Abigail POOR of Ashmansworth [HRO ref: 1779B/42] worthy of closer examination by anyone with a WHALE/BECKLY/SKEATS/POORE interest. Legatees include: Grandsons and Granddaughters George WHALE, Mary WHALE, Sara WHALE and John WHALE, the sons and daughters of 'my daughter Mary WHALE, wife of George WHALE dec'd' £4 a pease [sic]. My 'loveing frind' James POORE of Crux Easton, Yeoman. My daughter Abigail the Wife of Thomas BECKLY during the term of her natural life one annuity by yearly sums of £4. Granddaughter Mary SKEATS, Jacob SKEATS and George SKEATS. Three children of my son William CARTER deceased, namely Hannah, Elizabeth & Ann, the yearly sums of £3. Granddaughter Mary CARTER 1/-. Grandson John BECKLY £10. My daughter Elizabeth wife of James POORE One guinea. To said James POORE One guinea. This is not a will that is 'easy on the eye': hence my hesitancy to spend a great deal of time on transcribing via microfiche. Dorothy J.

Hello Peter, John, Allen and All, What do we know about a place called Old Burghclere, with a Church called "All Saints". The little churchyard with hardly any graves in the usual expectation of a graveyard, but a great many old - some very old - gravestones leaning against the perimeter wall. All Saints Old Burghclere, Hampshire. You may see where Old Burghclere is located in this map, courtesy of www.streetmap.co.uk. Home. Photographer's comments: ... www.ukgraves.info/view.asp?id=130 - 11k Worth having a look at the photographs. Kind regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants. UK [email protected]

Judith I'm afraid there is little likelihood of learning more about this family as I note that at marriage on 25 [not 20] December 1720, Frances TANER [sic] was of the parish of Ashmansworth, and, as you should be aware, the PRs for that parish were destroyed in the village fire of 1811. The East Woodhay PRs are extremely difficult to decipher in the 18th Century and, in any event, the BLAKEs appear to have held copyhold leases of the Manor of Ecchinswell - including a parcel at Boccombe downe - bounding bondland in the Tithing of Ashmansworth. As you are aware that Frances had a son, Thomas TANNER, I assume you already have the details of her 1741 Will enrolled in the Ecchinswell Court Roll of 1776 at his behest? Dorothy J. ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris & Judy Wagner To: Dorothy Jones Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 8:10 AM Subject: Re: Frances Tanner Hi again I forgot to make mention that Frances had a son Thomas Tanner, her son. Judith On 5/31/07, Chris & Judy Wagner <[email protected]> wrote: hello Dorothy I wish to know more about the family of Frances Tanner b abt 1699 East Woodhay and m on 20 Dec 1720 East Woodhay to Benjamin Blake b abt 1695 East Woodhay, that is all I have on this couple. Can you help, regards Judith Wagner

CONFIRMATION East Woodhay Baptisms: No 74 07 Jun 1863 William Thomas son of Henry & Eliza PIPER of EW labourer + No 117 05 Mar 1865 Isaac son of Henry & Eliza PIPER ditto I can't trace Isaac in a subsequent census but there is a death registration for an Isaac PIPER aged 4 in Hungerford Registration District [which covers Kintbury - the Grandparents' (JACOBS) village] 2Q 1869 Hungerford 2c 152. There may have been further issue of Henry & Eliza as I noted more burials of infants, parentage of which I'm uncertain. Snips from Original Message ----- From: "Dorothy Jones" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 8:22 PM Subject: Re: [King] PIPER FAMILY - EAST WOODHAY > [I think John Lewis has gone wrong with this twig on the > PIPER tree on his website as he has Thomas born East > Woodhay > ca1782 married to Jane BUTLER, whereas in 1861 Jane's > husband is recorded aged 79, Shepherd, born Tangley on > their > schedule at Hannington Street ref: RG9 piece 718 folio 28 > page 9.] The more likely marriage on Branch 18 of Thomas, son of Thomas & Maria, is that of Thomas PIPER/Elizabeth HALL, both of East Woodhay, 18 Apr 1815. > 4Q 1862 Marriage Henry PIPER/Eliza JACOBS Kingsclere 2c > 429 No 157 15 Nov 1862 Henry PIPER (sgd) ofa Bach Lab of EW Father: Thomas PIPER Lab Eliza JACOBS (x) ofa Spin of EW Father: William JACOBS Lab Witnesses: I. PIPER (sgd); Charlotte PIPER (sgd) > 3Q 1866 Death of Eliza PIPER aged 30 Kingsclere 2c 141 Burial No 1066 11 Jul 1866 Eliza PIPER 30 of EW > 4Q 1871 Marriage Henry PIPER/Ann BELLINGER Kingsclere 2c > 454 No 187 25 Oct 1871 after Banns Henry PIPER (sgd) ofa Wid Lab of EW Father: Thomas PIPER Lab Ann BELLINGER (sgd) ofa Spin of EW Father: George BELLINGER Lab Witnesses: George BELLINGER (x); Christina McMat BATTISON (sgd) Burials: No 1145 02 Jan 1871 Elizabeth PIPER 80 No 1197 26 Oct 1874 Thomas PIPER 92 > 4Q 1874 Death of Thomas PIPER aged 91 Kingsclere 2c 137 Dorothy J.

Hi Everyone, How the time is going on, half way through June already. On the 30th September 2007 is the Hampshire Genealogical Society Open Day held at Horndean Technology College, Merchistoun Road, Horndean PO8 9PQ off the A3(M), more details to be given later. Sunday the 7th October 2007, the Kingsclere Rootsweb Mailing List, 6th Annual Lunch. Looks like it will be the Vine Inn, Hannington where we have a room to ourselves and get to meet each other, hope you will all come along again and everyone is welcome. More information nearer the date, hope you can make it. Best wishes Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants. UK [email protected]

On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 22:53:51 +0100 "Dorothy Jones" <[email protected]> wrote: > No 15 19 Oct 1818 > Thomas POOR bachelor otp (x) > Sara SCOUSE widow otp (x) > Witnesses: Thomas ROLFE (x); Mary ROLFE (sgd) Hants Marr Index has John Scouse married Sarah Cook on 23 Oct 1815 at Ashmansworth Hants Burial Index has John Scouse buried at Burghclere on 14 Dev 1817 age 25 so Thomas Poore's wife could have been Sarah Cook -- John Lewis Debian (Sid) with the GeneWeb genealogy package

Hi Mick Sorry for the delay but I've not yet come this far forward in the East Woodhay records at HRO: I will check for the confirmatory baptism at next visit. However, with the aid of pals able to access the 1871 Census, this seems the likely scenario for William, son of Henry: 1861 Gore End, East Woodhay Henry PIPER 28 Unm Son Ag lab in h/h of Thomas PIPER 77 & Elizabeth 67 + Charlott PIPER 37 Unm Dau Servant All born Woodhay with exception of Elizabeth born Coomb. [I think John Lewis has gone wrong with this twig on the PIPER tree on his website as he has Thomas born East Woodhay ca1782 married to Jane BUTLER, whereas in 1861 Jane's husband is recorded aged 79, Shepherd, born Tangley on their schedule at Hannington Street ref: RG9 piece 718 folio 28 page 9.] 4Q 1862 Marriage Henry PIPER/Eliza JACOBS Kingsclere 2c 429 3Q 1866 Death of Eliza PIPER aged 30 Kingsclere 2c 141 1871 East Woodhay Thomas Fuller PIPER, H, M, 40, Ag lab, b East Woodhay Hannah, wife, M, 37, b Enbourne, Berks Fanny M, dau, 11, b East Woodhay Walter, son, 9, b ditto George, son, 7, b ditto Sarah J, dau, 5, b ditto Thomas, father, W, 88, ag lab, b ditto Henry, brother, W, 36, ag lab, b ditto 1871 Kintbury, Berkshire William JACOBS 64 Head Kintbury, Berkshire Fabey Jacobs 64 Wife Kintbury, Berkshire Alfred Jacobs 18 Son Kintbury, Berkshire William PIPER 8 Grandson East Woodhay, Hampshire 4Q 1871 Marriage Henry PIPER/Ann BELLINGER Kingsclere 2c 454 4Q 1874 Death of Thomas PIPER aged 91 Kingsclere 2c 137 1881 Woolton Hill, East Woodhay Henry PIPER 43 Cowman born East Woodhay Ann 43 born West Woodhay William 17 Carter Henrietta 8 Scholar George 6 Scholar Albert 3 Frederick 11 mos 1891 Woolton Hill Henry PIPER 56 Cowman on Farm Ann 54 Albert A 13 Errand Boy Frederick J 10 Scholar Hope this makes sense. Dorothy J. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mick Lancaster" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 9:37 PM Subject: [King] PIPER FAMILY - EAST WOODHAY > Dear List > > I would welcome any information on the family of William > Thomas Piper born 1863 in East Woodhay. (Kingsclere Vol 2c > Page 201 2nd Qt 1863). His father was a Henry Piper.

Hi Everyone, Here is some information on surnames that are being researched, sorry if you already have this information. Kingsclere Parish Records. Bastardy Bonds. Ann HUNT single woman - John HUGHS (father), of Brimpton, Berks, husbandman: Philip HUGHS of Ecchinswell and Peter HUGHS of Kingsclere (£40) 1761 Martha HUNT single woman - William SOPER, yeoman and son John SOPER (father) husbandman both of Kingsclere (£40) 1766 To Kingsclere, Settlement Certificates. Robert HUNT and wife Sarah from St. Mary, Lambeth, Surrey 1711 To Kingsclere, John WHITE, wife Elizabeth and their children John, Elizabeth, Eleanor & Rose from Sydmonton 1725 Removal Orders to Kingsclere. John Wyeth, Labourer and wife Martha from Monk Sherbourne 1772 Removal Orders from Kingsclere James Wayt, wife Alice and son Joseph to Whitchurch 1740 Kind regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants. UK [email protected] List Admin

MARRIAGES No 1 14 Apr 1813 by Banns with Consent of Parents Joseph HARRIS otp (x) Sophia POOR otp (x) Witnesses: Ed RUMBOLD; Joseph COLBOURN No 11 11 Jun 1818 by Banns Isaac POORE widower otp (sgd) Mary BALLARD widow otp Hurstbourne Tarrant (x) Witnesses: John BRIANT (sgd); Thomas SMITH (sgd) No 15 19 Oct 1818 Thomas POOR bachelor otp (x) Sara SCOUSE widow otp (x) Witnesses: Thomas ROLFE (x); Mary ROLFE (sgd) No 29 24 Oct 1825 by Banns John POOR, bachelor otp (x) Maria BOND spinster otp (x) Witnesses: Mary GOLDING (x); James GOLDING (x) BAPTISMS No 79 17 Nov 1822 John son of Maria BOND of Ashmansworth Singlewoman Issue of John POOR labourer & Maria of Ashmansworth: No 103 27 Nov 1825 Charles No 121 18 May 1828 Ann No 143 20 Jun 1830 Eliza No 165 01 Sep 1833 Elizabeth [inf mort] No 189 19 Jun 1836 Elizabeth No 212 13 Mar 1839 William No 235 19 Jun 1842 Jane BURIALS [abode Ashmansworth unless otherwise stated] No 80 17 Feb 1834 Elizabeth POOR 6 mos No 83 27 Aug 1834 Mary POORE 68 No 139 07 May 1848 Isaac POOR 82 of Kingsclere Union House * No 205 16 Apr 1863 Ann POORE 35 No 241 11 May 1871 John POOR 68 No 247 28 Oct 1872 Maria POOR 72 * Isaack POORE 65 Carpenter is in the next h/h to John/Maria in 1841.

Hi Dorothy & all Thanks to all for the info. Much appreciated. I think your right about my memory loss;Dorothy, but it was school summer holidays & i think we all get brain dead during this time!!!!! My thanks again. Regards Wendy No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.11/838 - Release Date: 07/06/2007 14:21

Hello All, Are you watching TV BBC1 programme Heir Hunters a new Series today was the 1st of 5 daily programmes, this programme is well worth watching. (9.15am) What is it about, people who have died intestate and how genealogy helps to trace their families. Today's programme, a man who had died with out leaving a Will, he had one son, the father and his wife parted, his wife married again and the son was adopted by her new husband. The sons name was changed to the same name as his mother and her new husband. The law says that this son, because he was adopted by the mothers new husband, he was not legally entitled to a share in his fathers money that he left, the money went to the fathers sisters families. If the son had not been adopted he would had been entitled to all of the money that his father had left. Kind regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants. UK [email protected] List Admin

Hi John and list, Yes, as we discussed a few months ago, this seems the most probable identification based on analysis of all the information we have available to us. On the same subject, I wonder about 'my' James - born about 1800, very approximately!. I originally thought the most likely parents were James and Elizabeth, and you have him down on your website as being theirs. However in view of what has since come to light about John Salter Hunt, the alternative baptism entry of James, s of Elizabeth Hunt and Daniel Tonant, has to be a possibility. Elizabeth could have given birth to JS, whose father John Salter did not marry her, then gone on to form a relationship with Daniel Tonant, who also failed to 'make an honest woman of her', and finally settled with John Pocock. Two points against this interpretation are: Elizabeth Hunt and her husband John Pocock had a son called James - would she have used the same name twice when the first was still alive? - and, if our James is this one, what happened to the son of James and Elizabeth?

Another recent email gave me the link I was looking for connecting Hanson Ford born ca1818 at Sulhamstead to Charles Ford & Ann Stacey as parents. The same correspondent has given me full details of Hanson's two marriages pus other details including the fact that at least one of Hanson's descendants (with Guernsey ancestry) emigrated to Australia and has descendants living in Sydney today. I still have data to add to this line but a (partially) updated Ford branch 19 is on the website. -- John Lewis Debian (Sid) with the GeneWeb genealogy package

and while I am on the subject of Hunt I thought I'd mention that I decided to link Elizabeth, mother of John Salter Hunt, with Elizabeth baptised 4 May 1774, daughter of John Hunt & Jinny Farmer. This may be controversial but it does make sense for the two main Hunt lines to be connected and makes for lots of interesting relationships. The new grouping is now on-line -- John Lewis Debian (Sid) with the GeneWeb genealogy package

I recently received an email giving me information about Dorcas Ellen Hunt born 1910 in Kingsclere, daughter of Alfred John Hunt and Lucy Kate Rolfe. Dorcas married Brinley Treharne in Aldershot in 1934 and the family eventually moved to the Catterick area and have stayed around there ever since. Dorcas' sister Elsie May Hunt who married Percy William Little at St. Mary, Kingclere in 1925 also moved to the same area If you look at Brinley Treharnes ancestors you will see that his grandfather was called Mahershalalhashbaz. This is not a mistake!! It is a biblical name meaning: plunder speedeth; spoil hasteth. There is a US actor with this name: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahershalalhashbaz_Ali and a Japanese pop group: http://www.fusetronsound.com/label.php?whomart=MAHERSHALALHASHBAZ -- John Lewis Debian (Sid) with the GeneWeb genealogy package

Dear List I would welcome any information on the family of William Thomas Piper born 1863 in East Woodhay. (Kingsclere Vol 2c Page 201 2nd Qt 1863). His father was a Henry Piper. William Thomas Piper married Sarah Jane Lancaster on the 3rd June 1895 at St Clements Church, Notting Hill, London. At the time of his marriage he was a police constable in in 1901 he was still serving and living in Harrow 0n the Hill, Middlesex. Regards. Mick Lancaster

Hi Dorothy If it helps I have one line of Pipers completed -births and census info. This is for James Piper who married to Alice Allen Number 10 on John's list. James Piper, shepherd, and Alice Allen with family living Alice Ethel Dec 1884 Bradfield 2c 811 (Goring) George Sep1886 Bradfield 2c 334 (Goring) Annie E ca 1889 (Goring) Charles Mar 1891 Wantage 2c 309 (East Hendred) Walter William Jun 1893 Wokingham 2c 409 (Sonning) Gertrude Hannah Jun 1895 Wokingham 2c 388 (Sonning) Alfred James Mar 1898 Wokingham 2c 386 (Wokingham) 1901 at Bottle Green, Bottle Lane, Knowl Hill, Hurley, Cookham (next to Bell and Bottle, now known as the Ring o’ Bells) 1891 at Horn Lane, East Hendred, Wantage James Piper 1881 a lodger at the United Buildings next to the Star Inn at Pangbourne 1871 James aged 13 living with parents George, a shepherd, and Emily at Ash Field, Chieveley 1861 James aged 3 with parents at Manor Farm, Chieveley George Piper 1851 a shepherd at St Mary Bourne, Berkshire 1841 George aged 10 living with father Moses and mother Betty at Down End, Chieveley. The family were there in 1851 and 1861 1841 and 1851 Emily aged 16 living with parents at the Tything of Curridge, Chieveley. William and Hannah recorded as Armstrong (1861 William and Hannah on their own at Old Kiln Road, Chieveley) George and Emily were married at Chieveley on 26th April 1856. George, the eldest son, was christened on 13th February 1831 at Chieveley to Moses Piper and Betty Bennet who were married on 11th January 1830 at Chieveley. Emily was christened Emily Amsdon (Armstrong) on 25th January 1835 to William Amsden (Armstrong) and Hannah Puzey who were married at Chieveley on 16th November 1822. Family of George and Emily christenings Alfred Piper 4.1.1857 Winterbourne James Piper 6.6.1858 Winterbourne Phebe Piper 3.6.1860 Oare Joseph Piper 29.9.1861 Oare Sarah Piper 1.11.1863 Oare Tom Piper 16.12.1865 Henry Moses 12.4.1868 Oare John Piper not recorded aged 2 months in 1871 census MOSES PIPER - Christening: 05 OCT 1797 Chieveley, Berkshire, England son of James and Hannah. He is age 53 in 1851 census 1841 census Moses 45 Betty 40 George 10 Charles 7 Henrietta 5 James 4 And Henry Bennet aged 16 WILLIAM PIPER Christening: 27 MAR 1790 Chieveley, Berkshire, England Father: JAMES PIPER Family Mother: HANNAH Extracted birth or christening record P021241 1700 - 1744 0254496, 0254498 Film 0820764 Film James PIPER was married to Hannah BLACKMAN. yours Greg Ross