Hi there, I am a new subscriber (also pretty new to Genealogy) and I am interested in the Bayman family who lived at Inhurst Farm, Baughurst, in the 1800's. John Bayman , born circa 1813, at Burghclere, was my husband's great grandfather. He married Sarah Smith of Basingstoke in 1843. They had five daughters and a son. Sarah died in 1855. Sarah Mary b. Mar 1844. Possibly died in 1856. Louisa b. July 1846 John b.April 1848 Elizabeth Patience b.Nov 1849 Anna Maria b. Aug.1852. Possibly married a Joseph Mayler in June 1878. Fanny Martha b. Dec.1853S de The Census 1861shows a new wife, Hannah but I haven't yet found a marriage. The Census 1871 I can only find Louise, married to George Watkins, b.1850 at Woolhope, Hereford and living in London with a baby daughter, Louisa Blanche Florence, b,1870. No trace of the others. George works as a waiter. Census 1881 Louisa and George are back at Inhurst Farm, he is head of the family and Louisa's brother is a co-partner in farming. Census 1891 shows Louisa and brother John at Little Brockhurst,Botley, Buckinghamshire, with the two younger children, Amy Agnes Georgina, b.1872 in London and George Bayman, b.1886 at Staines,Middlesex. Husband George is in the census as Head Steward of a London Club but he is still head of the family, Louisa is a wife and John is brother in law. Sarah MaryLouisa Bayman, his daughter, born 1846 at Baughurst, married George Watkins,born 1850 at Woolhope in Herefordshire. The 1871 Census shows them living in London and he was working as a Waiter. 1881 Census shows them back at Inhurst Farm with George as head of the family and Louisa's brother, John, born Apr 23 1848 .

Good Afternoon All, I have received an ancestral report of Andrew Chamberlaine born 1495 in Kingsclere and continuing to 1900's in Australia. Evidently the Chamberlaine's were the maternal ancestors of Richard Sheridan. If you are interested in receivng a copy of this please eamil me and I will forward it to you as an attachment. I hope to have it available on the web site but am awaiting permission from the author. Regards Peter G

Hi Barbara Could you tell me what Removal Orders mean are a term I haven't heard off but have noticed it a few times in info provided also Bastardy Bonds Thankyou Esther Australia > Bastardy Bonds. Ann HUNT single woman - John HUGHS (father), of and their children John, > Elizabeth, Eleanor > & Rose from Sydmonton 1725 > > Removal Orders to Kingsclere. John Wyeth, Labourer and wife Martha

Hello All Just a reminder that the village fete will take place as usual this year on August Bank Holiday Monday. Come along if you can, and have a look round the Village, find your ancestors home. It could still be there We have 120 listed houses dating back to the 14th century. Best wioshes Peter G

Hello All, As the List is quiet has anyone the surnames of ALDRIDGE or LAWRENCE on their family tree, a branch or a twig. Mary Jane LAWRENCE married Edward HOLLEY 10 October 1885 St. Mary's Kingsclere my 2C4R Mary baptised 22 Dec 1861 St. Mary's Church born 1861 Union Lane, Kingsclere. Edward baptised 14 Apr 1861 St. Mary's Church, born 1861 Swan Street, Kingsclere Their 3 children are:- Ellen Mabel married Albert LIDBURY 3 Aug 1914 Kingsclere Witnesses: Hannah LIDBURY & Edward Holley Alice Mildred married George WARREN. 1 Mar 1913 entry 240 George WARREN 26 bachelor, chauffer, North St, James father James WARREN knitter. Alice Mildred HOLLEY 24 sp, North Street, Edward HOLLEY brewer witnesses: Ellen Mabel HOLLEY & Walter WARREN John checked baptism No.784 Page 98 Mildred is correct. Arthur Edward no marriage entry John ALDRIDGE married Elizabeth TAYLOR 26 Nov 1798 Kingsclere my 6 x great Aunt John baptised Mar 1840 Nutkins, Kingsclere, Elizabeth baptised 21 Nov 1766 St. Mary's Church, Kingsclere Witness are Sarah TAYLOR nee (MAY) mother & Richard RODE. No children listed. Kind regards (hope no one is flooded out) Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants. UK [email protected]

Hi John and All, >>John MAY of Speenhamland, Berks and Sarah DUNCE of Newtown w., at >> Kingsclere 17 June 1744 by Licence This is the entry for St. Mary's Church, Kingsclere. (Kingsclere the actual register entry on microfiche). John MAY of Speen and Sarah DUNCE of New Town married June 18th 1744. Surname definitely DUNCE. >>William MAY of Wolverton yeoman age 21 bachelor and Elizabeth BROWN >> of Ewhurst age 21 spinster at E., 12 May 1789 by Licence. Sorry cannot check on this marriage entry, I don't have the microfiche for Ewhurst where they married. Sarah MAY married William ELLIOTT occ Butcher 22 April 1765 Tadley Ann MAY married Henry HOLLOWAY occ Yeoman 8 June 1767 Tadley Thomas MAY and Elizabeth ?? 1 June 1678 Highclere Thomas MAY of Kingscleer and Elizabeth HERNE 10 October 1687 Highclere Mary MAY married John HOUGHTON 20 December 1685 Highclere Ann MAY married Edward BASTIN 5 December 1773 Highclere Mary MAY married George NOKE of East Woodhay 14 May 1807 Highclere Kind regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants. UK [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "john lewis" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Cc: "Barbara Mallyon" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 11:13 PM Subject: Re: [King] Surname of May and MAYERS > On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 22:09:21 +0100 > "Barbara Mallyon" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Thomas MAY of Wantage, Berkshire a Tailor age 21 bachelor and Ann >> JOYCE of Kingsclere a minor with consent of her father Richard >> JOYCE of the same a Labourer 11 February 1763 by Licence. > > I have commented on the date in previous email, but I'll add the > extra details. > >> John MAY of Speenhamland, Berks and Sarah DUNCE of Newtown w., at >> Kingsclere 17 June 1744 by Licence. > > I have recorded her as Sarah DANCE but Dunce is what the fiche and > IGI > has. I don't have Newtown registers to know if Dunce was correct. > >> William MAY of Wolverton yeoman age 21 bachelor and Elizabeth BROWN >> of Ewhurst age 21 spinster at E., 12 May 1789 by Licence. > > I don't have the date other than 1789 as it was a marriage by > licence > and without the marriage register to confirm it I left it as that. > Can you confirm actual date of marriage? > >> Thomas MAYERS of Baughurst and Ann GREEN of the s., spinster at >> Ecchenswell 5 October 1742 by Licence. > > This one I don't have at all but the marriage entry on fiche PR4/14 > has them 'both of Baghurst' and no mention of place of marriage so > I'd > have assumed St. Mary, Kingsclere and date I read as October 9th. > There could be an error in entering the details into the register as > the previous couple William Paice and Elizabeth Dent were also 'both > of Baghurst' and date recorded as 9th. > > -- > John Lewis > Debian (Sid) with the GeneWeb genealogy package

On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 22:09:21 +0100 "Barbara Mallyon" <[email protected]> wrote: > Thomas MAY of Wantage, Berkshire a Tailor age 21 bachelor and Ann > JOYCE of Kingsclere a minor with consent of her father Richard > JOYCE of the same a Labourer 11 February 1763 by Licence. I have commented on the date in previous email, but I'll add the extra details. > John MAY of Speenhamland, Berks and Sarah DUNCE of Newtown w., at > Kingsclere 17 June 1744 by Licence. I have recorded her as Sarah DANCE but Dunce is what the fiche and IGI has. I don't have Newtown registers to know if Dunce was correct. > William MAY of Wolverton yeoman age 21 bachelor and Elizabeth BROWN > of Ewhurst age 21 spinster at E., 12 May 1789 by Licence. I don't have the date other than 1789 as it was a marriage by licence and without the marriage register to confirm it I left it as that. Can you confirm actual date of marriage? > Thomas MAYERS of Baughurst and Ann GREEN of the s., spinster at > Ecchenswell 5 October 1742 by Licence. This one I don't have at all but the marriage entry on fiche PR4/14 has them 'both of Baghurst' and no mention of place of marriage so I'd have assumed St. Mary, Kingsclere and date I read as October 9th. There could be an error in entering the details into the register as the previous couple William Paice and Elizabeth Dent were also 'both of Baghurst' and date recorded as 9th. -- John Lewis Debian (Sid) with the GeneWeb genealogy package

On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 21:36:03 +0100 "Barbara Mallyon" <[email protected]> wrote: > The surname of MAY, I have on my family tree. > > James TAYLOR/TAILOR baptised 2 May 1731 St. Mary's Kingsclere > married Sarah MAY (base born) 18 Nov 1739 St. Mary's Kingsclere > they had 14 children if I am correct. These are my 6 x great > grandparents. Witnesses at Wedding were Mary ALDRIDGE and Samuel > ROLFE By Banns Married on 16 Oct 1762, I only have 8 children, James ca 1763-1763 William ca 1764-1828 Elizabeth ca 1766 Sarah ca 1769-1820 Mary ca 1771 James ca 1773 Hannah ca 1775 Jane ca 1778 Thomas ca 1783 Joseph ca 1785 > Names that married into the MAY family. > Thomas HUSTLE married Ann MAY 31 Jul 1740 St. Mary's Kingsclere IGI has name as Hurtle > Ann JOYCE married Thomas MAY 12 Feb 1763 St Mary's Kingsclere I have the same date. The register entry has "eleventh" crossed out and another unreadable date written alongside. I reckoned it is twelfth but cannot be certain. The IGI has 12th > Thomas WHITE married Jane MAY 11 Jan 1770 St Mary's Kingsclere I have 29th but 11th is correct so have amended the database > Bet WALLIS married Richard MAY Marriage Banns Sunday 30 August, 6 > September, 13 September 1772 Don't have this one > Ann STIFFE married Thomas MAY 12 Apr 1732 St. Mary's Kingsclere > John you have Ann STIFF/E married to Richard MAY, 12 Apr 1732 > Kingsclere, one of us has it wrong. It is Richard on fiche PR4/14. There are a three more May Marriages on IGI batch M135674 that I don't already have on the website Margaret May married George Appleby 11 Jun 1753, possibly the dau of Thomas & Anna May bapt. 9 Mar 1729. Mary May married Thomas Wheatland on 1 Nov 1743 Petrus May married Palienlia Hacke 4 Dec 1686 -- John Lewis Debian (Sid) with the GeneWeb genealogy package

Hi John and All, Thomas MAY of Wantage, Berkshire a Tailor age 21 bachelor and Ann JOYCE of Kingsclere a minor with consent of her father Richard JOYCE of the same a Labourer 11 February 1763 by Licence. John MAY of Speenhamland, Berks and Sarah DUNCE of Newtown w., at Kingsclere 17 June 1744 by Licence. William MAY of Wolverton yeoman age 21 bachelor and Elizabeth BROWN of Ewhurst age 21 spinster at E., 12 May 1789 by Licence. Thomas MAYERS of Baughurst and Ann GREEN of the s., spinster at Ecchenswell 5 October 1742 by Licence. Kind regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants. UK [email protected]

Hi John and All, The surname of MAY, I have on my family tree. James TAYLOR/TAILOR baptised 2 May 1731 St. Mary's Kingsclere married Sarah MAY (base born) 18 Nov 1739 St. Mary's Kingsclere they had 14 children if I am correct. These are my 6 x great grandparents. Witnesses at Wedding were Mary ALDRIDGE and Samuel ROLFE By Banns Names that married into the MAY family. Thomas HUSTLE married Ann MAY 31 Jul 1740 St. Mary's Kingsclere Ann JOYCE married Thomas MAY 12 Feb 1763 St Mary's Kingsclere Thomas WHITE married Jane MAY 11 Jan 1770 St Mary's Kingsclere Bet WALLIS married Richard MAY Marriage Banns Sunday 30 August, 6 September, 13 September 1772 Ann STIFFE married Thomas MAY 12 Apr 1732 St. Mary's Kingsclere John you have Ann STIFF/E married to Richard MAY, 12 Apr 1732 Kingsclere, one of us has it wrong. Please let me know if any of these marriages are wrong, many thanks. The microfiche for the 1700s is not always legible. Kind regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants. UK [email protected]

BlankDorothy says that in 1901 Alice Miles with two of her daughters are visiting her parents Daniel and Lucy but no sign of them in 1891. I think I have found them, misspelt as Milles living in Aldermaston page 18. Fredrick J Milles age 30, born Kingsclere with Alice Milles age 30 Annie L Milles age 1 Charles D Milles age 3 Fredrick T Milles age 8 ( the T might be a J in the original) Henry H Milles age 10 Martha H E Milles age 5 In 1901 while Alice is in Ecchinswell the rest of the family are in East Woodhay, Hampshire. Fredrick J Miles age 41 with Ada Miles age 7 Charles Miles age 13 Elsie Miles age 9 Harry Miles age 20 John Miles age 18 Martha Miles age 15 Does this help anyone's research in any way, I hope so Geoff

On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 17:03:08 +0100 Nigel Gerdes <[email protected]> wrote: > The surname FLOWER is quite common in the Bath area, where I now > live. The family were yeoman and in some cases quite wealthy and > records of them go back a very long way. They owned the manor house > at Saltford (four miles west of Bath) in the mid-17th century. It > might well be worth following up to see if a William FLOWER of the > right age was born in North East Somerset or Wiltshire. There seems to have been a cluster in Romsey as well and I think the Sarah Flower who married George Wort was bapt. at the Abbey on 10 Nov 1768 to John & Ann Flower. There are also siblings in IGI batch C136692. Whilst the Bishop's Transcripts for Romsey Abbey are very extensive, extending from the 1500s to the 1900s there seems to be a gap in the marriages from 1755-1780 which would cover the period when John & Ann married. I haven't looked for a William Flower born ca1730 as yet in those BTs but the IGI does have a William bapt. 1 Jan 1730 to John & Elizabeth - but is he the one who married in Kingsclere? The IGI doesn't have anything else to offer. -- John Lewis Debian (Sid) with the GeneWeb genealogy package

On Sunday 24 June 2007 10:07:55 john lewis wrote: > see http://startx.co.uk:2317/Kingsclere?m=NG&n=Flower&t=N > > for what I have on this family. > > I suspect that the Flower family moved to the Kingsclere area sometime > before 1750 as I couldn't find a baptism for William in the St. Mary > Register. > Hi, The surname FLOWER is quite common in the Bath area, where I now live. The family were yeoman and in some cases quite wealthy and records of them go back a very long way. They owned the manor house at Saltford (four miles west of Bath) in the mid-17th century. It might well be worth following up to see if a William FLOWER of the right age was born in North East Somerset or Wiltshire. Regards, Nigel Gerdes

I havn't posted here for ages. Do you have Sarah FLOWER Sarah FLOWER was c 15 Apr 1754 in Kingsclere. This is as far back, I have got. I don't suppose any one else is looking for FLOWER back past 1754? Its all to do with me, WORTS (Snap anyone) Cheers Steve Stephen Hillier EFHS # 20031 President Editor of the La Recherché ------------------------------------------------ Give people more than they expect and do it cheerfully, "Silence is not an end in itself." ----------------------------------------------- Researching All variants [email protected] [email protected] [email protected]

On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 14:15:56 +0800 "Steve Hillier of Esperance W.Aust" <[email protected]> wrote: > > I havn't posted here for ages. > Do you have Sarah FLOWER > Sarah FLOWER was c 15 Apr 1754 in Kingsclere. This is as far back, > I have got. I don't suppose any one else is looking for FLOWER back > past 1754? William Flower married about 1750 to Mary Goddard? with Mary 1750 William 1752 Sarah ca 1754-1833 Esther ca 1756 Francis ca1758-1831 Letitia Goddard ca 1760 Charlotte ca 1762 Henry ca 1765 see http://startx.co.uk:2317/Kingsclere?m=NG&n=Flower&t=N for what I have on this family. I suspect that the Flower family moved to the Kingsclere area sometime before 1750 as I couldn't find a baptism for William in the St. Mary Register. I have no evidence that William married a Goddard (and no marriege entry either) but with Letitia having Goddard as a second name it seemed a possiblility and there was a Mary Goddard of the right age in the database so picked her. -- John Lewis Debian (Sid) with the GeneWeb genealogy package

I have checked with John's book "Basingstoke Boy". It mentions amongst other things:- John's wife was Nellie Jenvey Clarke daughter of Thomas Clarke of Brockenhurst. Nellie was one of 12 children (6 boys & 6 girls) all with Jenvey as 2nd name after their father's mother's surname. His parents married April 1912 by local Meads curate (Meads part of Eastbourne) in Eastbourne They moved to Basingstoke after marriage & lived initially in terraced cottage in May Street. Old John (grandfather) served in Navy, covering China coast & extensively tattooed. His father worked for Thorneycrofts before joining up in 1915 (served in Mesopotamia & India). They moved to the lodge in the cemetery (where John was born) when his grandfather, who was the registrar, moved into a new house in a new cemtery bought by the council as old one was filling up. His father had 4 sisters, Kit, Norah, Lillian & Edie (who married Bill Baldwin). Nellie's father died 1917 in Eastbourne. On his return from WW1 his father became assistant registrar (to Old John) & remained working there until he retired. The aunts seem to confirm that it is the John Arlott born circa 1856 at Silchester is the grandfather of the commentator John Arlott. Gerald Soper PS It seems the George Arlott connected to my family is not related to the above Arlotts. In a message dated 22/06/2007 16:14:01 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: I have to admit I had wondered if I did have John Arlott's ancestors buried among my Kingsclere Familes. Crickinfo has this Full name Leslie Thomas John Arlott Born February 25, 1914, Chapel Hill, Basingstoke, Hampshire Died December 14, 1991, Alderney, Channel Islands (aged 77 years 292 days) Also known as Jack (to family when younger) but I couldn't find out anything more via googling but FreeBMD has this entry which is almost certainly him:- Births Jun 1914: Arlott Leslie T J, Jonvy-Clarke, Basingstoke 2c 417 and this marriage Marriages Jun 1912: Arlott William J & Clarke Nellie J, Eastbourne 2b 169 so this ties in with what Gerald says -- John Lewis Debian (Sid) with the GeneWeb genealogy package

On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 07:30:16 EDT [email protected] wrote: > If there are any cricket lovers out there it seems that John > Lewis's excellent site has ancestors of that well known commentator > on it. I have just been looking at the siblings of my great > grandmother Annie Elliott & her sister Mary Ann married a George > Arlott, which made me start looking as I know John Arlott was born > in Basingstoke. On looking at John's autobiography his grandfather > was John Arlott born in Silchester & his father William John. I > think this is the John Arlott born circa 1856 in Silchester on John > Lewis's site & he has a son William I on the site. I think this > should be William John, as his birth is recorded in Basingstoke RD > in Q3 1883 (Volume 2c, page 195) & there does not appear to be any > other likely birth. It looks as though George is a brother of John > senior (born 1856). I have to admit I had wondered if I did have John Arlott's ancestors buried among my Kingsclere Familes. Crickinfo has this Full name Leslie Thomas John Arlott Born February 25, 1914, Chapel Hill, Basingstoke, Hampshire Died December 14, 1991, Alderney, Channel Islands (aged 77 years 292 days) Also known as Jack (to family when younger) but I couldn't find out anything more via googling but FreeBMD has this entry which is almost certainly him:- Births Jun 1914: Arlott Leslie T J, Jonvy-Clarke, Basingstoke 2c 417 and this marriage Marriages Jun 1912: Arlott William J & Clarke Nellie J, Eastbourne 2b 169 so this ties in with what Gerald says -- John Lewis Debian (Sid) with the GeneWeb genealogy package

Hello All, On Wednesday the 27th June 2007 Mark Pearsall from the National Archives at Kew, will be coming to the Hampshire Genealogical Society, Basingstoke Group to give a talk on Wills, Probate and Death Duties all are welcome free of charge. If you cannot get to Basingstoke for the Meeting and have a question you would like me to ask Mark, I will willingly do so on your behalf. Kind regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants. UK [email protected]

If there are any cricket lovers out there it seems that John Lewis's excellent site has ancestors of that well known commentator on it. I have just been looking at the siblings of my great grandmother Annie Elliott & her sister Mary Ann married a George Arlott, which made me start looking as I know John Arlott was born in Basingstoke. On looking at John's autobiography his grandfather was John Arlott born in Silchester & his father William John. I think this is the John Arlott born circa 1856 in Silchester on John Lewis's site & he has a son William I on the site. I think this should be William John, as his birth is recorded in Basingstoke RD in Q3 1883 (Volume 2c, page 195) & there does not appear to be any other likely birth. It looks as though George is a brother of John senior (born 1856). Gerald Soper

Hi John, Again thanks you for the information, is this where some of the unfound Baptisms, Marriages and Burials have taken place, must buy the microfiche to see what names are on them, they may fill in some of the blanks on my family tree. Kind regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants. UK [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "john lewis" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 11:15 PM Subject: Re: [King] Re Old Burghclere, All Saints > On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 22:15:37 +0100 > "Barbara Mallyon" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Thank you for your reply to the List. What happened to the Parish >> Registers, are they with the Hampshire Record Office, also the >> grave stones, has the HRO got a record of them. > > Hants RO do have the registers, the Parish Register Transcription > Society have put the BTs on fiche (now on CD) and HGS have published > MIs 1645-1945 on fiche, this includes a plan of the churchyard > indicating where the listed headstones were. > > This fiche also has MIs for the Church of the Ascension, (New) > Burghclere, 1829-1987. > > -- > John Lewis > Debian (Sid) with the GeneWeb genealogy package