Hi folks In March 2006 I sent these details to Jim: > I did notice that a message appeared on the Kingsclere > list some time ago concerning the availability of wills > online from the National Archives and amongst those listed > for Kingsclere was one for James BATE [without a final > 'S'] See this page: > http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/details-result.asp?Edoc_Id=564178&queryType=1&resultcount=1 > > If you've not already seen it, it might be worthwhile to > see if you can download a copy priced at only £3.50 > Sterling. I feel pursuit of that 2-page Will is essential for continuity in the BATE[S] research. If my line of descent involved them I would not hesitate in purchasing a copy. Dorothy J.

Good morning Barbara I am the Beverley Smith that Jim mentions. I think not proven yet that a John Bates born to James Bates born 8th May 1738 and and Mary Green may be mine they married 1766 .Parents of James Bates were James Bates & Mary Hack this James son of Thomas Bate s and Judith, hope I have that right. I have sent to the Hants R O re the will of James Bates d 1808, which hopefully will mention said John. What has put us on to this line is as follows our John Bates married a Elizabeth Matthews of Hampstead Marshall they lived at Kintbury. A Sophia Bates was a witness to the 2nd marriage of Elizabeth Matthews Father George Matthews to a Rose Green. John Lewis very kindly helped by comparing the signature of this Sophia Bates witness to her signature on her marriage to a Joseph Smith at Kingsclere. Not conclusive but worth exploring as we have no knowledge of where John Bates came from this is the most promising he died 1812 I have not found a will for him. But the name Daniel figures in our family from this time and I have discovered in the Bates of Kingsclere Daniel also figures. Willing to listen to any views or advice from anyone. Of course it would be lovely if the will of James Bates Frobury Farm 1808 mentions a son John Bates at Kintbury. Please pass on my e mail to Jim if it would help. I will if on receiving the list of papers etc I have asked about at Hampshire prove any of this will willingly share the knowledge. I am getting a cousin in N Z to send copies of photos we have but unnamed to me but she is not at all well at the moment and waiting for an operation. Regards and thankyou Beverley Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Mallyon" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 9:40 AM Subject: [King] Message from Jim BATES Help needed! > Hello Everyone, > > Hope you have not caught up in the flood, if you have we send you our > sympathy and hope the hot weather of Summer will soon arrive to help > you recover. > > Dear old Jim needs our help, please read his plea, can anyone help > him, many thanks. > > Kind regards > > Barbara Lewis Mallyon > Basingstoke, Hants. UK > [email protected] > List Admin > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Bates" <[email protected]> > To: "BARBARA MALLYON" <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 9:53 PM > Subject: Help needed! > > >> Hi Barbara, I wonder if you can help or maybe suggest I throw it >> onto the >> Kingsclere group. >> I am getting too old in the tooth my hearing and eyesight is woeful >> , I'm >> afraid it goes with my age, I was 89 on the 24th April. >> >> Trying to simplify the problem, for the last twenty years (it seems >> longer) have been trying to find where my Sixth Great Grandfather >> Thomas >> Bate(s) and his wife Maria, got married and where they came from. >> They >> arrived in KINGSCLERE late 1600's, and had their first child Thomas >> baptized >> 20th February 1683. This took place in St Mary's Church Kingsclere. > >> Thomas had another six children but this time the mother was named >> Judith. >> I have not been able to the find the death of Mary (Maria) or the >> marriage >> of Thomas to Judith, >> >> The other problem is that when Thomas died in 3rd October 1706 he >> left a >> will, naming all seven children and Judith as his executrix. >> Then his body disappeared, the burial is not recorded in Hampshir. >> >> I gave away serious research over two years ago, then a little while >> ago >> decided to clean up my office, filled up a four litre litter recycle >> bin and >> found a letter from a Professional researcher which had not read >> before. >> >> In it she said she had found a marriage dated 16th July 1681 of >> Thomas Bates >> laborer married to Mary Parker both of Wendover. She went on to say >> tat no >> children were found in the Wendover records. She went on to say that >> Wendover to Kingsclere wasn't distance wise and if Thomas had picked >> up a >> job in a Job Fair that could account for the move >> >> Of course there could have been some Parkers already in the >> Kingsclere area. >> >> >> My family received a nice email from Dorothy Jones enquiring about >> my state >> of health, so when I replied to her enquiry saying "I was quite >> alright for >> the state I was in". I then repeated - included most of what is >> written >> above, when she replied she had been on holiday for two weeks, and >> said she >> had passed the enquiry on to a Beverley Smith apparently a >> researcher into >> BATE AND BATES. >> >> If in any way you can help, I'm afraid I'm developing into an >> impatient >> so-and-so >> With sincere best wishes and hoping this finds you well, Jim >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.12 - Release Date: >> 2/10/2006 >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.12/910 - Release Date: >> 21/07/2007 15:52 >> >> > > ---------------------------------------- >>From Kingsclere.If you get unsubscribed and did not ask to be >>unsubscribed, please contact List Admin. >>[email protected] > ---------------------------------------- > Changing your Email address, > unsubscribe with your old address and Subscribe to the List with your new > email address. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.14/912 - Release Date: > 22/07/2007 19:02 >

Hello Everyone, Hope you have not caught up in the flood, if you have we send you our sympathy and hope the hot weather of Summer will soon arrive to help you recover. Dear old Jim needs our help, please read his plea, can anyone help him, many thanks. Kind regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants. UK [email protected] List Admin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Bates" <[email protected]> To: "BARBARA MALLYON" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 9:53 PM Subject: Help needed! > Hi Barbara, I wonder if you can help or maybe suggest I throw it > onto the > Kingsclere group. > I am getting too old in the tooth my hearing and eyesight is woeful > , I'm > afraid it goes with my age, I was 89 on the 24th April. > > Trying to simplify the problem, for the last twenty years (it seems > longer) have been trying to find where my Sixth Great Grandfather > Thomas > Bate(s) and his wife Maria, got married and where they came from. > They > arrived in KINGSCLERE late 1600's, and had their first child Thomas > baptized > 20th February 1683. This took place in St Mary's Church Kingsclere. > Thomas had another six children but this time the mother was named > Judith. > I have not been able to the find the death of Mary (Maria) or the > marriage > of Thomas to Judith, > > The other problem is that when Thomas died in 3rd October 1706 he > left a > will, naming all seven children and Judith as his executrix. > Then his body disappeared, the burial is not recorded in Hampshir. > > I gave away serious research over two years ago, then a little while > ago > decided to clean up my office, filled up a four litre litter recycle > bin and > found a letter from a Professional researcher which had not read > before. > > In it she said she had found a marriage dated 16th July 1681 of > Thomas Bates > laborer married to Mary Parker both of Wendover. She went on to say > tat no > children were found in the Wendover records. She went on to say that > Wendover to Kingsclere wasn't distance wise and if Thomas had picked > up a > job in a Job Fair that could account for the move > > Of course there could have been some Parkers already in the > Kingsclere area. > > > My family received a nice email from Dorothy Jones enquiring about > my state > of health, so when I replied to her enquiry saying "I was quite > alright for > the state I was in". I then repeated - included most of what is > written > above, when she replied she had been on holiday for two weeks, and > said she > had passed the enquiry on to a Beverley Smith apparently a > researcher into > BATE AND BATES. > > If in any way you can help, I'm afraid I'm developing into an > impatient > so-and-so > With sincere best wishes and hoping this finds you well, Jim > > > > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.12 - Release Date: > 2/10/2006 > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.12/910 - Release Date: > 21/07/2007 15:52 > >

Hi John, Re. Louisa and George - I have a copy of their marr. cert. and they were married at St James the Less in the parish of St John, Westminster. The Free B M D says St Margarets, too. Cheers,Audrey

If there is anybody interested in the Woodhouse family I stumbled accross, by accident, a photo of Fanny Woodhouse born 10 February 1866 at Kingsclere Woodlands at the following site:- _http://www.southernlife.org.uk/peoples_photos.htm_ (http://www.southernlife.org.uk/peoples_photos.htm) Gerald Soper

Hi all Thanks to Peter Goff pointing me towards the website I can post this URL for a lovely collection of pictures from Ecchinswell which brought back many memories for me Hope you enjoy them too :) http://www.pbase.com/dave_harfield/old_local_photos -- John Lewis Debian (Sid) with the GeneWeb genealogy package

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Hallo Elizabeth and John, Thanks for the helpful tips you have been giving, I do appreciate it. Yes, I have seen the reference to the wills plus something about the Bayman land and some papers re. Poore and I intend following them up. George and Louisa Watkins (Bayman b.1846) also had a son, George Bayman Watkins,b.1886 at Cranford M,sex, he came to New Zealand in 1901 either with, or to, an uncle. G and L both died in about 1899. G B W married Helen Robinson in Palmerston North N Z in 1920 and they had a son and a daughter (still living). The daughter has 4 children and 5 grandchildren. The son, my husband, has 4 adopted children (from his first marriage) and 10 grandchildren. Audrey. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Adams" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 2:05 AM Subject: [King] BAYMAN > > I have deleted the original message in this thread and > cannot remember the name of the lister interested! > However-the CALM database lists some documents > including 2 Wills which may be of interest:- > 1)John BAYMAN of Newtown,yeoman. 1825 > Will and Probate docs > 2)Sarah BAYMAN wife 1855. > Elizabeth > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > What kind of emailer are you? Find out today - get a free analysis of your > email personality. Take the quiz at the Yahoo! Mail Championship. > http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://mail.yahoo.net/uk > ---------------------------------------- >>From Kingsclere.If you get unsubscribed and did not ask to be >>unsubscribed, please contact List Admin. >>[email protected] > ---------------------------------------- > Changing your Email address, > unsubscribe with your old address and Subscribe to the List with your new > email address. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.4/898 - Release Date: 12/07/2007 > 4:08 p.m. > >

Hello Esther and All, We have just come back from holiday, due to security I don't mention going on holiday on the List. John Lewis keeps an eye on the Kingsclere when we are away, many thanks John. Esther also wrote to me off List and I have answered her off List, giving her all of the answers to the questions she has asked. If anyone would like a copy of my reply to Esther, I will willingly send them a copy. Kind regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants. UK [email protected] List Admin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Esther Laun" <[email protected]> To: "Barbara Mallyon" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 1:47 AM Subject: Re: [King] Kingsclere Parish Records > Hi Barbara > Could you tell me what Removal Orders mean are a > term I haven't heard off but have noticed it a few times in info > provided also Bastardy Bonds > Thankyou Esther Australia > >> Bastardy Bonds. Ann HUNT single woman - John HUGHS (father), of > and their children John, >> Elizabeth, Eleanor >> & Rose from Sydmonton 1725 >> >> Removal Orders to Kingsclere. John Wyeth, Labourer and wife Martha > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: > 269.10.0/886 - Release Date: 04/07/2007 13:40 > >

I have deleted the original message in this thread and cannot remember the name of the lister interested! However-the CALM database lists some documents including 2 Wills which may be of interest:- 1)John BAYMAN of Newtown,yeoman. 1825 Will and Probate docs 2)Sarah BAYMAN wife 1855. Elizabeth ___________________________________________________________ What kind of emailer are you? Find out today - get a free analysis of your email personality. Take the quiz at the Yahoo! Mail Championship. http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://mail.yahoo.net/uk

The followingBAYMAN marriages appear in the Berkshire Marriage Index:- 16 October 1750-at Speen John BAYMAN & Mary WARMAN (both of the parish) 28 August 1803-at Newbury Benjamin WESTON & Ann BAYMAN (both of the parish) 14 October 1807-at Newbury James RICHARDSON & Sarah BAYMAN (both of the parish) Elizabeth ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/

Alan McGowan wrote: >Can anyone suggest why Hannington and Kingsclere would have attracted >travelling Gypsies, and why some Gypsies settled in the area? > > > > Hi Alan, I can recall the Romany came round Basingstoke in the 50's often with heather gathered from the heaths around Tadley and Silchester as well as Ramsdell or wooden clothes pegs to sell. Relative freedom to camp on the heaths and the extensive woodlands around Hannington and Tadley coupled with the space arising from the low population density (then) must have made it attractive. Greeham Common until it was enclosed for the airbase would have been another attractive spot. I think there is a website with details of the Romany in Hampshire mainly in the New Forest. Regards, Nigel Gerdes

Can anyone suggest why Hannington and Kingsclere would have attracted travelling Gypsies, and why some Gypsies settled in the area? Travelling patterns were determined by opportunities for seasonal employment, opportunities to sell goods and services, attendance at fairs, and the gathering of raw materials to manufacture goods. For these reasons, Gypsy baptisms can be found at Bentley/Binsted/Froyle (hop picking), the Titchfield area (strawberry picking), Longparish (source of osiers and reeds for basket making), Weyhill (Weyhill Fair), and Overton (Overton Fair). Relevant entries from my own family are listed below. Alan McGowan ************ Baptisms at Kingsclere 25Nov1781 - AIRES Mary d/o Samuel & Mary - Traveler 02Jul1791 - AYRES Elizabeth * d/o Samuel & Elizabeth - a Gypsey * Elizabeth was actually the daughter of Samuel & Mary. A removal order shows that she and her child were removed to Kingsclere in 1819 after being convicted of an act of vagrancy, namely sleeping in the open air at Woodmancott. Baptisms at Hannington 07Mar1802 - AYRES Athalia d/o Ann - Ibworth - a Gipsy vagrant 18May1823 - AYRES Paul s/o Samuell - these people have no settled abode 14Mar1824 - AYRES Sylbe - (blank) - a Gypsey woman - PB 20Apr1828 - AYRES Gentilia d/o George & Rose - Hannington - Gipsy Baptism at Burbage, Wilts 03Aug1835 - Elizabeth HICKS baseborn d/o Elizabeth EYRES from Kingsclere a Gypsey Burials at Hannington 14Jan1907 - AYRES Major * - 70 - Kingsclere Ibworth 21Mar1908 - AYRES Phenaty - 60 - Church Wootton * Probate documents state that Major Ayres was "of Balsam's Bottom (otherwise Ballstone Bottom), Kingsclere", and that he died there. Phenaty (Fairnette) Ayres was his unmarried partner.

Hi Barbara What are removal orders and why are they issued Have noticed this order several times Also what are bastardy bonds and when was these orders abolished Esther Aust. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Mallyon" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 6:27 AM Subject: [King] Kingsclere Parish Records > Hi Everyone, > > Here is some information on surnames that are being researched, sorry > if you already have this information. > Kingsclere Parish Records. > > Bastardy Bonds. Ann HUNT single woman - John HUGHS (father), of > Brimpton, Berks, husbandman: Philip HUGHS of Ecchinswell and Peter > HUGHS of Kingsclere (£40) 1761 > > Martha HUNT single woman - William SOPER, yeoman and son John SOPER > (father) husbandman both of Kingsclere (£40) 1766 > > To Kingsclere, Settlement Certificates. Robert HUNT and wife Sarah > from St. Mary, > Lambeth, Surrey 1711 > > To Kingsclere, John WHITE, wife Elizabeth and their children John, > Elizabeth, Eleanor > & Rose from Sydmonton 1725 > > Removal Orders to Kingsclere. John Wyeth, Labourer and wife Martha > from Monk Sherbourne 1772 > > Removal Orders from Kingsclere James Wayt, wife Alice and son Joseph > to Whitchurch 1740 > > Kind regards > > Barbara Lewis Mallyon > Basingstoke, Hants. UK > [email protected] > List Admin > > ---------------------------------------- >>From Kingsclere.If you get unsubscribed and did not ask to be >>unsubscribed, please contact List Admin. > ---------------------------------------- > Changing your Email address, > unsubscribe with your old address and Subscribe to the List with your new > email address. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.15/845 - Release Date: 6/12/2007 > 6:39 AM > >

Esther, I suggest you take a look at these websites, which are very informative: http://www.a2a.org.uk/help/glossary/index.asp http://www.shakespeare.org.uk/content/view/95/95/ Kind regards. Dorothy J. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Esther Laun" <[email protected]> To: "Barbara Mallyon" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 1:03 AM Subject: Re: [King] Kingsclere Parish Records Hi Barbara What are removal orders and why are they issued Have noticed this order several times Also what are bastardy bonds and when was these orders abolished Esther Aust.

On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 07:38:36 -0700 (PDT) Elizabeth Adams <[email protected]> wrote: > When researching my BRIDGEMANs in the Newtown P/R > fiche I remembered seeing some BEYMAN/BAYMANs. > I have extracted the following from the Newtown P/Rs:- > Checked from 1666-1837(as much as I was able to > decipher) > There do not appear to be any entries for the name > before 1758. > Baptisms > 05 Feb 1758-Mary d John & Mary of Itchingswell > > 20 May 1774-Ann d John & Pheobe > 11 Apr 1784-Anne d John & Pheobe > > 19 Jan 1780-Catherine d John & Sarah > 04 Mar 1781-John s " > -- May 1782-Ann d " > 18 Jan 1784-Sarah d " > -- Sep 1785-James s " > 06 May 1787-Robert s " > 05 Apr 1789-Maria d " > 26 Dec 1794-Elizabeth d " > 16 Aug 1795-Mary d " > > 27 Sep 1812-George s John & Amey > 19 Feb 1815-Caroline d John & Amey That confirms what I suspected about George being a sibling and gives a more accurate birth date for him than the census records. The baptism of John in 1781 possibly gives us the John who fathered these two and John. > Buriels > 26 May 1769-Mary wife of John BAYMAN The Mary of Itchingswell? The early St. Mary Kingsclere records on the IGI do not have any Baymans so we have to look for their origins elsewhere. I don't have the early Ecchinswell fiche which from 1610-1744 were separate from Kingsclere > 04 Jul 1776-Ann BAYMAN 2yrs Ann bapt 1774, dau of John & Phoebe > 08 Jun 1781-Catherine BAYMAN 17 mnths Catherine bapt 1780 to John & Sarah > 16 Jun 1790-John BAYMAN 63 yrs John, husband of Mary, of Itchenwell?? > 14 Aug 1791-Ann BAYMAN 9 yrs Ann bapt 1782 to John & Sarah > 20 Mar 1802-Maria BAYMAN d John & Sarah 13 yrs Maria bapt 1789 to John & Sarah > 13 May 1824-John BAYMAN 72 yrs > 27 Aug 1824-Sarah BAYMAN 74 yrs The John & Sarah above which would make them born ca1752 and 1750 respectively so married, assuming Catherine is firstborn child, in their late 20s. > I have not found any BAYMAN marriages! The IGI doesn't have much to offer in Hants/Berks either but there is quite a cluster in Ramsbury, Wilts which is not far away. The first group I found were 'member submitted' data, then I found the 'extracted' batches at C058211/M058211but no entries fit the Newtown families above. I have put a Bayman tree on the Kingsclere Families website at http://startx.co.uk:2317/Kingsclere?m=NG&n=Bayman&t=N and any comments will be welcome -- John Lewis Debian (Sid) with the GeneWeb genealogy package

When researching my BRIDGEMANs in the Newtown P/R fiche I remembered seeing some BEYMAN/BAYMANs. I have extracted the following from the Newtown P/Rs:- Checked from 1666-1837(as much as I was able to decipher) There do not appear to be any entries for the name before 1758. Baptisms 05 Feb 1758-Mary d John & Mary of Itchingswell 20 May 1774-Ann d John & Pheobe 11 Apr 1784-Anne d John & Pheobe 19 Jan 1780-Catherine d John & Sarah 04 Mar 1781-John s " -- May 1782-Ann d " 18 Jan 1784-Sarah d " -- Sep 1785-James s " 06 May 1787-Robert s " 05 Apr 1789-Maria d " 26 Dec 1794-Elizabeth d " 16 Aug 1795-Mary d " 27 Sep 1812-George s John & Amey 19 Feb 1815-Caroline d John & Amey Buriels 26 May 1769-Mary wife of John BAYMAN 04 Jul 1776-Ann BAYMAN 2yrs 08 Jun 1781-Catherine BAYMAN 17 mnths 16 Jun 1790-John BAYMAN 63 yrs 14 Aug 1791-Ann BAYMAN 9 yrs 20 Mar 1802-Maria BAYMAN d John & Sarah 13 yrs 13 May 1824-John BAYMAN 72 yrs 27 Aug 1824-Sarah BAYMAN 74 yrs I have not found any BAYMAN marriages! Elizabeth ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/mail/winter07.html

Hello All I have had permission to put the descendents report of Andrew Chamberlaine, born 1495 in Kingsclere on the web site. Richard Sheridan's maternal line is descended from Andrew. The family remained in the area until the 1800's when a branch went to Jamaica and another to Australia. It can be downloaded as a PDF file on www.kingsclere.org.uk/surnames.html Best wishes Peter G

Oops! I thought I had put the first email in my drafts to be completed later and when I looked for it........... John Bayman (b.circa 1813) was born at Burghclere and his father was also John Bayman. I think he married an Amie Pearce or Peard in 1808 at Burghclere, however the name of Bayman doesn't appear at all in the Bishop's Transcripts of that parish. . Also was John (1813) ,the brother of George who married Rebecca Comyns Adey and Caroline Bayman who married John Rumbold. Please, does anyone know anything about this family? Audrey (New Zealand)

On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 20:31:57 +1200 "audreyandaudrey" <[email protected]> wrote: > Oops! I thought I had put the first email in my drafts to be > completed later and when I looked for it........... John Bayman > (b.circa 1813) was born at Burghclere and his father was also John > Bayman. I think he married an Amie Pearce or Peard in 1808 at > Burghclere, however the name of Bayman doesn't appear at all in > the Bishop's Transcripts of that parish. . Also was John > (1813) ,the brother of George who married Rebecca Comyns Adey and > Caroline Bayman who married John Rumbold. Please, does anyone know > anything about this family? Caroline Bayman's is the only baptism with that surname in the Hants Bapt. Index. She was baptised at Newtown on 14 Feb 1815 with parents John & Amey 'of Burghclere' so at least she links to your family if only we could find them. I have John & Caroline Rumbold in my database at http://startx.co.uk:2317/Kingsclere?i=10969 and there is a note that she was of Inshurst, Baughurst when she married, however it looks like I was given this information by one of my 'informants' but have not recorded my source so will have to hope that person is reading this and can help further. There is no variant of the surname that I can think of in the Bapt Index and there is no entry for that surname, altho' there are 2 Baynons, in the Hants Burial Index and no entries in the Marriage Index. Berks Marriage index has a John Bayman married Mary Warman at Speen on 16 Oct 1750. The baptism entries in the HBapI are from Anglican registers and do not include any non-conformist ones so it is possible John & Amy used a Methodist chapel for other baptisms. with reference to your first email:- These Baptisms are in IGI batch I013741 1. Louisa Bayman - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 23 JUL 1846 Baughurst, Hampshire, England 2. Elizabeth Patience Bayman - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 15 NOV 1849 Baughurst, Hampshire, England 3. Sarah Mary Bayman - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 14 MAR 1845 Baughurst, Hampshire, England 4. Fanny Martha Bayman - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 11 DEC 1853 Baughurst, Hampshire, England 5. Anna Maria Bayman - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 01 AUG 1852 Baughurst, Hampshire, England 6. John Bayman - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 23 APR 1848 Baughurst, Hampshire, England all with parents John & Sarah I notice that in 1851 Amey Bayman, mother, widow, age 76 born Hiclere (sic) is in household. I have looked for marriages for John & Amey and 1808 is missing from Burghclere BTs, there isn't a marriage in Highclere or Baughurst BTs and the years 1807-1812 are missing from Newtown BTs. sorry I cannot be more helpful -- John Lewis Debian (Sid) with the GeneWeb genealogy package