Hi folks I've spent a very enjoyable afternoon transcribing the Will of James BATES of Frobury Farm [HRO Ref: 1808A/8] but it's going to take a while to type it. In the meantime, I want to rectify an omission in the excerpts posted on the list in 2002 as I've discovered that James' eldest son John BATES featured in the legatees 28 January 1807: Mary, Wife, benefits of property etc so long as she remained his Widow, Joint Executrix Edward, Joint Executor, to inherit after death of his Mother Freehold Estate called Clarks, Kingsclere + £210 Thomas, to inherit after death of his Mother Freehold & Copyhold Estates called Ham, Baughurst Eldest Son John BATES £200 Son William £180 Son Charles £200 Daughter Hannah wife of William RUDDLE £200 Daughter Sophia wife of Joseph SMITH £200 Son Samuel £200 I know this will be of interest to Beverley Smith as it provides the possibility of a link to the John of Kintbury, but it also identifies the Baughurst holdings. The earlier Will [dated 1782] of Thomas BATES, Yeoman of Kingsclere, is not so informative as he leaves everything to Wife Mary for the term of her natural life, then amongst such of his children as shall be living at the time of his wife's death, share and share alike. Sadly, no property is named and children's names are not mentioned. Mary, duly sworn to execute 13 April 1786, ..... 'and that the Effects of the Testator at the time of his Decease did not extend to Three hundred pounds as she verily believes.' The Will of Edward BATES [1815] of The Rookery, Kingsclere [proved 1826] is worded in a strange way as he lists Hannah wife of James ALLEN Elizabeth wife of Joel GOLD Charlotte wife of William RUMBOLD 'The Daughters of my Wife Elizabeth BATES', to whom he leaves £5 each. Son Edward, Executor, to inherit property after Widow Elizabeth's death. Burial in Wolverton Churchyard in a brick grave with head and foot stone. If anyone would like copies of the full transcriptions, when typed, please contact me off-list. I don't anticipate they will be available for a while! Dorothy J.

John Bayman, Amey Pearce, Joseph Malin and Anna Marie Bayman. Audrey Watkins

Hi, I am researching the Hine (Hinds) family Here are my names David Hine m. Eliz Eyles 1814 Kingsclere Eliza Hine m. George Joyce 17 JUly 1849 Kingsclere Hannah Hine m. Henry Hillier 8 January 1853 Kingsclere William Hine my GG Grandfather m. Annie Drewett 7 June 1854 York Western Australia Thankyou Maureen Latter --------------------------------- Yahoo!7 Mail has just got even bigger and better with unlimited storage on all webmail accounts. Find out more.

Thanks - I have that info. I have much more which I could send you as .ged file. Am trying to expand my sense of the social side - that's why I'm looking for photos of the locale at that time - both Frank and daughter Mildred were painters...but can't find any examples... Guy. ----- Original Message ----- From: "john lewis" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 12:45 AM Subject: Re: [King] Neate / Heanly > On Fri, 03 Aug 2007 08:45:36 -0700 > "res0p12i" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I would be grateful if anyone has any info for Heanly / Neate in >> Kingsclere - sources of pictures would be really great. Frank >> Heanly & Anna Marie Neate were my Great Great Grandparents. > > I have Frank & Anna Maria on the Kingsclere Families website > together with Anna's siblings. > > http://startx.co.uk:2317/Kingsclere?m=NG&n=Neate&t=N > > If you want to add anything to this I'll be pleased to include it > > -- > John Lewis > Debian (Sid) with the GeneWeb genealogy package > ---------------------------------------- >>From Kingsclere.If you get unsubscribed and did not ask to be >>unsubscribed, please contact List Admin. >>[email protected] > ---------------------------------------- > Changing your Email address, > unsubscribe with your old address and Subscribe to the List with your new > email address. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On Fri, 3 Aug 2007 23:09:56 +1200 "audreyandaudrey" <[email protected]> wrote: > John, The marr. cert for Charles and Ann shows the fathers as Paul > Watkins, Servant and Henry Tarplee, Labourer.I have found a Paul > but am still trying to make a connection. > On an L D S FILM, no. 496688,Vol.8 pages 13 -35 Phillimore, London, > is shown the marriage of John Bayman to Amey Pearce (lic) 26 Aug > 1808. Also Mary Bayman to Edward Pearce (Labourer) on 15 Jun 1777, > possibly the Mary b.1758. Also, I think someone was asking about > the name Aldridge.On the same film was Robert Aldridge of > Burghclere to Elizabeth Allen on 2 Aug 1791. Thanks for clarifying this, I'll have another look at this family when this busy weekend is over. -- John Lewis Debian (Sid) with the GeneWeb genealogy package

On Fri, 03 Aug 2007 08:45:36 -0700 "res0p12i" <[email protected]> wrote: > I would be grateful if anyone has any info for Heanly / Neate in > Kingsclere - sources of pictures would be really great. Frank > Heanly & Anna Marie Neate were my Great Great Grandparents. I have Frank & Anna Maria on the Kingsclere Families website together with Anna's siblings. http://startx.co.uk:2317/Kingsclere?m=NG&n=Neate&t=N If you want to add anything to this I'll be pleased to include it -- John Lewis Debian (Sid) with the GeneWeb genealogy package

Hello again John, I've just found on FreeCen that Charles and Ann Watkins were still at Woolhope School for the 1871 Census. Folio 53, P.2 ,Schedule 5. It's the only place I have managed to find them on the 1871. Audrey

John, The marr. cert for Charles and Ann shows the fathers as Paul Watkins, Servant and Henry Tarplee, Labourer.I have found a Paul but am still trying to make a connection. On an L D S FILM, no. 496688,Vol.8 pages 13 -35 Phillimore, London, is shown the marriage of John Bayman to Amey Pearce (lic) 26 Aug 1808. Also Mary Bayman to Edward Pearce (Labourer) on 15 Jun 1777, possibly the Mary b.1758. Also, I think someone was asking about the name Aldridge.On the same film was Robert Aldridge of Burghclere to Elizabeth Allen on 2 Aug 1791. Audrey ----- Original Message ----- From: "john lewis" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 11:20 PM Subject: [King] bayman > On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 19:45:39 +1200 > "audreyandaudrey" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi John, I've just been looking at the family tree for Bayman and I >> must correct you on one point. The birth cert. for George Watkins >> b.29 Jun 1849 gives his mother's maiden name as Ann Tarplee and I >> have a marr.cert. for Charles and Ann, 27 Feb 1843 at St Peter the >> Great, Worcester. The only doubt I have, is that Charles's >> occupation is shown as 'Cordwainer' whereas, in every other source, >> he is a schoolmaster and all the children, except the first,Lucy, >> were born at the Schoolhouse, Woolhope. This seems like a big jump >> to me. I'm trying to follow it up. > > It is possible the marriage to Ann Tarplee was a second marriage, > there are several death entries for an Ann Watkins between 1838 & > 1843 though none identifiable without getting the certificates as > there were no ages recorded in that period. > > The other thing to do is get the marriage certificate for Charles & > Ann Craddock and see if that Charles has the same father as in the > certificate you have. > > Marriages Jun 1838: Craddock Ann & WATKINS Charles, Bromyard 26 200 > > I found an Ann Craddock age ca21 in the 1841 living in Claines, > Worcester but couldn't find an Ann Tarplee of about the same age. > > There was an Ann age 10 (born in county) living in George Street, > Birmingham with father William, chair manufr and an Ann age 9 (not > born in county) living in Crabbs Cross, Ibsley, Warcs with father > George ag lab. > > Does any of this match the info you have in the marriage certificate? > If Ann was actually born ca1830 then the age given for Ann Watkins in > the 1891 Census (72) is wrong by ten years. > > I didn't find the Charles/Ann Watkins marriage on FreeBMD as they > haven't been linked due to the page references being different. > > Marriages Mar 1843: Watkins Charles, Worcester 18 543 > Marriages Mar 1843: TARPLEE Ann, Worcester 18 52_ > > The Full BMD index on ancestry.co.uk has both Charles & Ann on page > 523 but on the actual image of the page used by the FreeBMD > transcriber differs from this. > > -- > John Lewis > Debian (Sid) with the GeneWeb genealogy package > ---------------------------------------- >>From Kingsclere.If you get unsubscribed and did not ask to be >>unsubscribed, please contact List Admin. >>[email protected] > ---------------------------------------- > Changing your Email address, > unsubscribe with your old address and Subscribe to the List with your new > email address. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.22/923 - Release Date: > 27/07/2007 6:01 p.m. > >

Elaine Lawrence wrote: >Hi List > > This is my family in Kingsclere:- > > (6th GGParents) Edward Allen (abt 1739) married Ann Ward (abt 1748) in 1769 > Ambrose Allen (abt 1772) married Elizabeth Wickens (abt 1775) in 1796 > Richard Allen (abt 1798) married Mary Russell (abt 1802) in 1823 > Mary Ann Allen (abt 1823) married Richard Lawrence (abt 1817) in 1843 (my GGG Grandfather) > > Best wishes > Elaine > > > > > > > > > > Hi Elaine and list, My own family contains many Allen including some baptised Edward. They are quite separate after 1800 from yours but the earlier roots may well be the same. Mine are in the Deane, Oakley, Hannington, Monk Sherborne area but have a possible connection with East Stratton Park. Hence the marriage of the first Edward to Ann Ward at East Stratton is something to follow-up. I was very interested to see the Richard Allen (abt 1798) baptised 3 April 1798 at Kingsclere to Ambrose and Elizabeth Allen (nee Wickens) married to Mary Russel on 31 March 1823 at Hannington. I am stuck with another candidate Richard Allen baptised according to my note (but I don't have the source - it was early research before I learned about citing sources) 6 March 1799 and born ca 1798 at Hannington with a death in 1858 and thus don't have enough information to decide which Richard Allen married Mary Russel. I wonder how you managed to get the link? Perhaps they are one and the same Richard? I am also trying to trace the parents of Ann Batt who married Richard (son of Ambrose) Allen's brother Charles Allen (ca 1815) on 24 Dec 1836 St Lawrence, Ecchinswell . Her first husband was David Hill and she married him on 21 July 1830 at Kingsclere. She might be the daughter of John Batt and Mary York baptised at Combe on 25 Nov 1805. Can anybody shed any light with names of fathers or witnesses at the marriages? Regards Nigel Gerdes

Hi List This is my family in Kingsclere:- (6th GGParents) Edward Allen (abt 1739) married Ann Ward (abt 1748) in 1769 Ambrose Allen (abt 1772) married Elizabeth Wickens (abt 1775) in 1796 Richard Allen (abt 1798) married Mary Russell (abt 1802) in 1823 Mary Ann Allen (abt 1823) married Richard Lawrence (abt 1817) in 1843 (my GGG Grandfather) Best wishes Elaine --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your freeaccount today.

I would be grateful if anyone has any info for Heanly / Neate in Kingsclere - sources of pictures would be really great. Frank Heanly & Anna Marie Neate were my Great Great Grandparents. (hope I posted this correctly) Guy (Phipps)

Hello Everyone, Welcome our our new Kingsclere subscribers, this is the time to tell us all, who your ancestors are that you are researching. Families that have married into one branch of my family the HOLLY/HOLLEY'S. John HOLLY married Sarah TAYLOR 12 October 1791 Kingsclere Elizabeth HOLLY married Robert MILES 13 April 1817 Kingsclere William HOLLY married Mary HAYWARD 27 October 1816 Kingsclere Mary Ann HOLLY married Henry ROSE 15 October 1849 Kingsclere Sarah HOLLY married William POWERS 22 November 1841 Kingsclere John HOLLY married Rosa Ann BRIDGMAN 14 October 1845 Kingsclere George HOLLY married Martha ?? date and place unknown, need to know. Edward HOLLY married Martha MAJOR 18 Mar 1873 Kingsclere George HOLLY married Sarah Louisa ROLFE 27 May 1882 Kingsclere Martha HOLLY married James WATTS 11 October 1784 Kingsclere Edward HOLLY married Mary Jane LAWRENCE 10 October 1885 Kingsclere John HOLLY married Mary HITCHCOCK 22 July 1894 Kingsclere Nellie Louisa HOLLY married Alfred EVANS 1 January 1916 Kingsclere Edward HOLLY married Mary Jane SMITH 18 October 1919 Kingsclere Elizabeth Jane HOLLY married Albert John CAMBER 24 April 1920 Kingsclere Ernest HOLLY married Myrtle DIGWEED 11 October 1919 Kingsclere Annie HOLLY married Alfred Richard HUTCHINS 5 February 1921 Kingsclere Ellen Mable HOLLY married Albert LIDBURY 3 August 1914 Kingsclere Alice Mildred HOLLY married George WARREN date not given All of these names are on my family tree, if you want further information on these names, I may be able to help you. Kind regards Barbara Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants, UK [email protected]

Hello All, If you need BMD Certificates, and go to Myddelton Street, London, now it the time to get them. Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 4:50 PM Subject: NEWS ONS TO VACATE GROUND FLOOR FRC BY 31 OCTOBER 2007 ONS TO VACATE GROUND FLOOR FRC BY 31 OCTOBER 2007 At the Family Records Centre User Consultative Group Meeting today at the Family Records Centre (FRC) Myddelton Street, London, the Federation of Family History Societies representatives (Maureen Bullows and Geoff Riggs) were extremely disturbed to be informed that the Office for National Statistics (ONS) will vacate the ground floor at the FRC by 31 October 2007. >From 31 October until the previously announced date of closure, the end of March 2008, access to the Indexes for Births, Deaths and Marriages will be on the first floor of the FRC on MICROFICHE only. Ordering of certificates will be ONLINE only and there will be no provision for certificate collection. The ONS and General Register Office (GRO) were left in no doubt by the unanimous protestations of the Family Records Centre User Consultative Group. Full details and a copy of the Public Briefing paper can be found at: www.ffhs.org.uk/archives/gro/briefing070725.php For the very best bargains in genealogical books visit www.genfair.com Kind regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants. UK [email protected] List Admin

Hello All, Have a look at the improved website that is free to research. http://beta.gazettes-online.co.uk/AdvancedSearch.aspx?geotype=London Roger and I have had a laugh this afternoon at my MALLYON family, we now know where the MALLYON Crown Jewels have gone. I now have some flesh to put on the bones of my family tree, as they say. Amongst the information found in the London Gazette are:- Lists of 18th and early 19th century prisoners Bankrupts and insolvents Military commissions Dissolution of partnerships Honours and gallantry awards Appointments in the civil service and Post Office Trustee Act notices to protect executors following a grant of probate or letters of administration Kind regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants. UK [email protected] List Admin

Hi John, I've just been looking at the family tree for Bayman and I must correct you on one point. The birth cert. for George Watkins b.29 Jun 1849 gives his mother's maiden name as Ann Tarplee and I have a marr.cert. for Charles and Ann, 27 Feb 1843 at St Peter the Great, Worcester. The only doubt I have, is that Charles's occupation is shown as 'Cordwainer' whereas, in every other source, he is a schoolmaster and all the children, except the first,Lucy, were born at the Schoolhouse, Woolhope. This seems like a big jump to me. I'm trying to follow it up. Audrey

On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 19:45:39 +1200 "audreyandaudrey" <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi John, I've just been looking at the family tree for Bayman and I > must correct you on one point. The birth cert. for George Watkins > b.29 Jun 1849 gives his mother's maiden name as Ann Tarplee and I > have a marr.cert. for Charles and Ann, 27 Feb 1843 at St Peter the > Great, Worcester. The only doubt I have, is that Charles's > occupation is shown as 'Cordwainer' whereas, in every other source, > he is a schoolmaster and all the children, except the first,Lucy, > were born at the Schoolhouse, Woolhope. This seems like a big jump > to me. I'm trying to follow it up. It is possible the marriage to Ann Tarplee was a second marriage, there are several death entries for an Ann Watkins between 1838 & 1843 though none identifiable without getting the certificates as there were no ages recorded in that period. The other thing to do is get the marriage certificate for Charles & Ann Craddock and see if that Charles has the same father as in the certificate you have. Marriages Jun 1838: Craddock Ann & WATKINS Charles, Bromyard 26 200 I found an Ann Craddock age ca21 in the 1841 living in Claines, Worcester but couldn't find an Ann Tarplee of about the same age. There was an Ann age 10 (born in county) living in George Street, Birmingham with father William, chair manufr and an Ann age 9 (not born in county) living in Crabbs Cross, Ibsley, Warcs with father George ag lab. Does any of this match the info you have in the marriage certificate? If Ann was actually born ca1830 then the age given for Ann Watkins in the 1891 Census (72) is wrong by ten years. I didn't find the Charles/Ann Watkins marriage on FreeBMD as they haven't been linked due to the page references being different. Marriages Mar 1843: Watkins Charles, Worcester 18 543 Marriages Mar 1843: TARPLEE Ann, Worcester 18 52_ The Full BMD index on ancestry.co.uk has both Charles & Ann on page 523 but on the actual image of the page used by the FreeBMD transcriber differs from this. -- John Lewis Debian (Sid) with the GeneWeb genealogy package

On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 14:56:27 +0100 "Peter Goff" <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello All > > Dale, Sir Langham > (Kingsclere, North Hants., Eng., 22.5.1826 - Montagu Cottage, > Mowbray, Cape, SA 12.1.1898) > Second superintendent-general of education in the Cape Colony, was > the son of Henry Dale, registrar of Kingsclere, and his wife, Mary > Anna Stroud, daughter of Edward Stroud, of Thatcham. He was named > after his grandmother, Martha Langham. > > > His story is now on the Kingsclere web site, > www.kingsclere.org.uk/dale.html > > Thanks to John Lewis suggesting its inclusion to the copyright > holders. Thanks for putting it on the site, it looks really good with the photos to give it some personality. -- John Lewis Debian (Sid) with the GeneWeb genealogy package

Hello All Dale, Sir Langham (Kingsclere, North Hants., Eng., 22.5.1826 - Montagu Cottage, Mowbray, Cape, SA 12.1.1898) Second superintendent-general of education in the Cape Colony, was the son of Henry Dale, registrar of Kingsclere, and his wife, Mary Anna Stroud, daughter of Edward Stroud, of Thatcham. He was named after his grandmother, Martha Langham. His story is now on the Kingsclere web site, www.kingsclere.org.uk/dale.html Thanks to John Lewis suggesting its inclusion to the copyright holders. Best wishes Peter G (Can now see again with my new specs. After a retina detachment)

Hello All, This MILES family tree has been sent to me, if you are researching the MILES family, could it fit in with yours. All at Andover, Hants so I am told. John MILES, m.27.12.1780 at Boyton, Jane OAKE (1) (1) Children of John MILES & Jane OAKE Jane bap. 21. 10. 1781, Chute, Mary bap. 12. 10. 1783, Chute John bap. 15. 10. 1788, Chute Edward bap. 12. 08. 1790, Chute. bur. 12. 06. 1862, Kingsley (2) m. 02. 02. 1814, Penton Mewsey, Maria Ann GREEN bap. 10. 01. 1790, Penton Mewsey, bur. 06. 08. 1874, Kingsley (2) Children of Edward MILES and Maria Ann GREEN Elizabeth bap.17. 04. 1814, Penton Mewsey, m. (1) 14. 12. 1831, John HEIGHES m. (2) William BRIDGES Sarah bap. 01. 09. 1816, Kingsley John bap. 21. 04. 1822, Kingsley Hannah bap. 02. 05. 1819, Kingsley Jane bap. 07. 11. 1824, Kingsley William bap. 24. 02. 1828, Kingsley Mary bap. 03. 04. 1831, Kingsley Thomas bap. 02. 02. 1835 George b. 1838 Kingsley If you do link in with this family tree please let me know. Kind regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants. UK [email protected] List Admin

Hi! Dorothy Thankyou for answering ,I have my fingers crossed re the will dated 1808 of James Bates at Frobury Farm Kingsclere, have sent an e mail to see if I can pay for copies to be sent to me of that and other documents. I can't visit so its my best bet I think.I accessed the documents from the C A L M database. Regards Beverley Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dorothy Jones" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 10:55 AM Subject: [King] BATE[s] of Kingsclere Hi folks In March 2006 I sent these details to Jim: > I did notice that a message appeared on the Kingsclere > list some time ago concerning the availability of wills > online from the National Archives and amongst those listed > for Kingsclere was one for James BATE [without a final > 'S'] See this page: > http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/details-result.asp?Edoc_Id=564178&queryType=1&resultcount=1 > > If you've not already seen it, it might be worthwhile to > see if you can download a copy priced at only £3.50 > Sterling. I feel pursuit of that 2-page Will is essential for continuity in the BATE[S] research. If my line of descent involved them I would not hesitate in purchasing a copy. Dorothy J. ---------------------------------------- >From Kingsclere.If you get unsubscribed and did not ask to be unsubscribed, >please contact List Admin. [email protected] ---------------------------------------- Changing your Email address, unsubscribe with your old address and Subscribe to the List with your new email address. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.14/912 - Release Date: 22/07/2007 19:02