On Mon, 8 Oct 2007 10:59:45 +0100 "Barbara Mallyon" <[email protected]> wrote: > Nice to meet John his wife Joy and mum, my own family tree links in > with John LEWIS at least 5 times, if not more and Rod Whale, we > share 6th great grandparents with the BURGEMAN/BRIDGMAN family. Well I did say I was related to nearly everyone! I will one day find I am related to my wife if Rod and I can find the link between us. My great-grandmother Esther Fisher had 10 siblings, 53 cousins, 5 second cousins, 3 third cousins, 88 fourth cousins and 145 fifth cousins My Grandfather Francis Cooper had 11 siblings, 33 cousins, 137 second cousins, 52 third cousins, 181fourth cousins and 450 fifth cousins my Mother Gwendoline Esther Cooper only had 3 siblings but had 43 cousins, 22 second cousins, 83 third cousins, 51 fourth cousins and 210 fifth cousins So you can see that lot was enough to populate Kingsclere between them :-) I am sorry I wasn't able to bring my laptop as usual but I now have a replacement, for the techies among you it is a Compaq Evo N160 and it cost me all of £40 but I need to spend as much again on upgrading the memory as it doesn't like loading acrobat reader to view the pdf files for things like Hampshire baptisms, marriage and burials. All being well it will last me for a few more years of Kingsclere Anniversary Lunches. -- John Lewis Debian (Sid) with the GeneWeb genealogy package

Oh, dear! The Rootsweb listserver seems to have combined the map link URL with my sign-off. Here's the link again: http://tinyurl.com/2p6kcw > From: [email protected]> To: [email protected]> Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 19:46:51 +0000> Subject: [King] Blanche HUTCHINS & Dairy House> > Gerald,> I don't seem to have Blanche's baptism (at all) but she was certainly buried at K/Woodlands on 13-May-1911, formerly living at Dairy House cottages as you say. I have her birth registered in Q4,1888. Can you confirm the baptism/birthdate?> > Gerald and Jeff,> On the matter of Dairy House (and similar "House" names) I think you'll find that in the country locations such records have invariably been shortened by omission of "farm" -- for instance, it should be Dairy House Farm which in this particular case does still exist, see centre of the following linked OS map:> > http://tinyurl.com/2p6kcwCheers.....Mike> _________________________________________________________________> Feel like a local wherever you go.> http://www.backofmyhand.com> ----------------------------------------> >From Kingsclere.If you get unsubscribed and did not ask to be unsubscribed, please contact List Admin. [email protected] > ----------------------------------------> Changing your Email address,> unsubscribe with your old address and Subscribe to the List with your new email address.> -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ 100’s of Music vouchers to be won with MSN Music https://www.musicmashup.co.uk

Gerald, I don't seem to have Blanche's baptism (at all) but she was certainly buried at K/Woodlands on 13-May-1911, formerly living at Dairy House cottages as you say. I have her birth registered in Q4,1888. Can you confirm the baptism/birthdate? Gerald and Jeff, On the matter of Dairy House (and similar "House" names) I think you'll find that in the country locations such records have invariably been shortened by omission of "farm" -- for instance, it should be Dairy House Farm which in this particular case does still exist, see centre of the following linked OS map: http://tinyurl.com/2p6kcwCheers.....Mike _________________________________________________________________ Feel like a local wherever you go. http://www.backofmyhand.com

Jeff Androsoff wrote: > I found a Lilly Brown born 1873, who ties into > the John Brown Emma Bradley family, along with > Wallace and Alice baptismal records. Emma BROWN née BRADLEY was a first cousin of my grandfather Harry COX (his mother Esther BRADLEY was Emma's aunt). I should be interested in the birth/ baptismal details re Lilly, Alice and Wallace BROWN. Regards, Mike ___________________________________________________________ Want ideas for reducing your carbon footprint? Visit Yahoo! For Good http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/environment.html

Hi Barbara and all Sorry a very belated thank you, but only arrived back in Kent this evening after a visit to Winchester on the way home. So thanks to Barbara for organising the meal & Peter for the walk after lunch & good to meet others researching. Looking back found Sopers in George St, North St & Station Road (but no trains though!!). Gerald In a message dated 08/10/2007 11:01:33 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Hi John, Rod, Bob, Peter and All, Thank you for your messages. It was very nice to be able to get together around the horse shoe shaped table, where we could all chat to each other at the Crown Inn, in the room that was the former School and Court Room. It was very rewarding to know that the Lunch brought together for the first time, Bob HUTCHINS and Gerald SOPER, who share great grandparents. Nice to meet John his wife Joy and mum, my own family tree links in with John LEWIS at least 5 times, if not more and Rod Whale, we share 6th great grandparents with the BURGEMAN/BRIDGMAN family. Jim BATES living in New Zealand, no longer on the List, sent me a book he had put together about his life, it makes interesting reading, and is being read at the moment by Peter McNulty. Beryl Shackleton living in Scotland, brought along her laptop showing her SAVERY FT, she has the BUCKRIDGE family connection. Looking at my computer I discover the same family information coming down on one of the other daughters. Thanks Peter and Rita for the walk after Lunch, much enjoyed, we were luck with the weather. Peter said that after next years 7th Anniversary Lunch, Sunday 5th October 2008, he will take us to the Kingsclere Archives to do a bit of researching, could be interesting. Very best wishes and keep well Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants. UK [email protected] List Admin

Jeff In some of the baptisms at St Pauls, Ashford Hill of my Hutchins ancestors in 1905 & 1906 their adress is recorded as Dairy House, Woodlands. In the 1901 census the family (Alfred George Hutchins etc) were living at Exmanford, but no house name given, but if it is the same house it is in Ashford Hill area. A Blanche Hutchins, different family, had her family address recorded as Dairy House Cottages on her baptism in 1911 at St Pauls, Ashford Hill. Gerald In a message dated 08/10/2007 17:17:52 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Hey John et. al, My mother found some baptismal/birth/ one marriage record and one death record in my grandfather's old shed. I found a Lilly Brown born 1873, who ties into the John Brown Emma Bradley family, along with a Wallace and Alice baptismal records. I can scan it and send it to you John in a email off-list. If anyone is interested let me know, I also found a birth record for Nelson Moore who links up with Ellen Sophia Bradley. BTW, John do you have a William Arthur Cooper in you tree, he was listed to be in the Kingsclere record office in 1941?? Two more random thoughts, on one of my cert's it makes reference to a May Cottage(probably in Ashford Hill or close by) and a Dairy House in Kingsclere does anyone have any ideas where/if these buildings still exist? Second thought is does anyone live near the Aldershot Museum or do I have to find a seperate list for them?? Jeff

Many thanks to Barbara for once again organising the lunch yesterday. I'm sure we all enjoyed getting together again. Also thanks to Peter for taking us on the Kingsclere 'trail' . I'm sure that if we had gone round on our own we should have missed all the 'titbits' of information he passed on. Eileen

On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 10:15:54 -0600 Jeff Androsoff <[email protected]> wrote: > Hey John et. al, > > My mother found some baptismal/birth/ one marriage record and > one death record in my grandfather's old shed. I found a Lilly > Brown born 1873, who ties into the John Brown Emma Bradley family, > along with a Wallace and Alice baptismal records. I can scan it > and send it to you John in a email off-list. Yes please > If anyone is interested let me know, I also found a birth record > for Nelson Moore who links up with Ellen Sophia Bradley. BTW, John I'd also like these details please as I only have him born ca1887 to George Moor(e) who married Ellen Sophia Bradley ca 1870 with George ca 1872 Frances Helena Moore ca 1874 Horace Bertram ca 1879 James ca 1881 Thomas ca 1883-1963 Lottie ca 1885 Nelson ca 1887 Wilson ca 1887 Percy ca 1889 Leonara ca 1893 > do you have a William Arthur Cooper in you tree, he was listed to > be in the Kingsclere record office in 1941?? Yes William Arthur Cooper, born about 1881 - Sherborne St. John, Hants. Married on 18 August 1908, St. Mary, Kingsclere, to Annie Brazier Garrett 1880-1917 (Witnesses: Charles Garrett & Charles William Cooper) Notes He was a Solicitor's Clerk, of Wellington Terrace, father Charles William Cooper, shoemaker > > Two more random thoughts, on one of my cert's it makes reference to > a May Cottage(probably in Ashford Hill or close by) and a Dairy > House in Kingsclere does anyone have any ideas where/if these > buildings still exist? > Second thought is does anyone live near the > Aldershot Museum or do I have to find a seperate list for them?? http://www3.hants.gov.uk/aldershot-museum http://www.army.mod.uk/para/af_museum/ http://www.armymuseums.org.uk/museums/0000000010-Aldershot-Military-Museum.htm -- John Lewis Debian (Sid) with the GeneWeb genealogy package

Hello All, How quickly the months are going, so here is a reminder about the Hampshire Record Office. Hampshire Record Office search room at Sussex Street will close towards the end of 2007 to enable us to merge with Local Studies, formerly in Winchester Library. Work is likely to start in November/December. Our service to the public will not close altogether: a microform service will be provided in a temporary location (almost certainly in the Library HQ building in North Walls after the Reference Library has moved to the new Winchester Discovery Centre) limited access to original documents will be provided at Hampshire Record Office (by appointment only) for legal and other essential purposes. If you have academic research deadlines to meet please contact us in advance so that we help to ensure that the reduced service does not hinder your timetable. see www.hants.gov.uk/record-office/catalog/index.html for up dates. Kind regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants. UK [email protected] List Admin

Hi Ann Using Hannah Swait, Tanhouse - shopkeeper, found her on 1861 census. Going to the enumerators description for Kingsclere district 7 he starts at Beenham Court and finishes at Headley via Holdop Farm, Tan House and Mill Green. It was on the Headley to Ashford Hill road just before the stream crossing. www.old-maps.co.uk Headley, Berkshire - co-ordinates 452600, 162600 you will find Tan House and Tan House Farm. 1871 census actually names Tan House - forwarded page off list Peter G

> which confirms there was also a Tan House in Kingsclere Thanks John. In my experience of Wills, the legal bods were usually pretty accurate when describing locations so I feel much happier knowing that is confirmed. Now just to find out whether it was one and the same as the one we walked by yesterday? It was a nice friendly looking building so I hope so. Ann

On Mon, 8 Oct 2007 11:54:54 +0100 "Ann Sargeant" <[email protected]> wrote: > > the location where once stood Hill House. Hopefully this may > > be the one mentioned in the Will of one of my ARUNDELL ancestors > > whose Will quotes ............ "my freehold farm called Hill > > House consisting of a dwelling house and buildings and several > > closes pieces or parcels of land containing > sixty acres or > > thereabouts situate in the parish of Kingsclere in the > > County of Southampton..........." > > My euphoria was to be short lived!!!!! > > Just checked the 1859 directory on the Kingsclere website and this > shows both a Tower Hill House in the village and also a Hill House > Farm (J.Povey occupier in 1859). So back to the drawing board. > Will have to look at the maps at HRO next time > there ................never mind. > > As we walked around the village yesterday we spotted a "No Smoking" > sign on an empty property undergoing some work, which gave rise > to conversation at the time. If > remembering correctly I think this was once "The Tannery"? > > Yesterday has kickstarted me to go back and look at some ancestors > whose records I've neglected for far too long. > Amongst more of the properties mentioned in the Wills of my > ARUNDELLs there is this:- ".......all that messuage or tenement > now used as two tenements with the shop garden orchard plot of > ground and hereditaments thereto belonging called Tan House situate > and being in the parish of Kingsclere aforesaid late Walridges???? > And also all other my messuages lands......." as a follow up to my last email I found this reference from Peter's Kingsclere History site " John Swait, baker at Tan house, Kingsclere, was also charged on the information of Mr. Fey, with having sold a loaf of bread otherwise than by weight P.C. Kearl stated that he went to defendant’s shop on the 23rd July" which confirms there was also a Tan House in Kingsclere -- John Lewis Debian (Sid) with the GeneWeb genealogy package

On Mon, 8 Oct 2007 11:54:54 +0100 "Ann Sargeant" <[email protected]> wrote: > Yesterday has kickstarted me to go back and look at some ancestors > whose records I've neglected for far too long. > Amongst more of the properties mentioned in the Wills of my > ARUNDELLs there is this:- ".......all that messuage or tenement > now used as two tenements with the shop garden orchard plot of > ground and hereditaments thereto belonging called Tan House situate > and being in the parish of Kingsclere aforesaid late Walridges???? > And also all other my messuages lands......." If memory serves me correctly there was a Tan House in Ecchinswell -- John Lewis Debian (Sid) with the GeneWeb genealogy package

> the location where once stood Hill House. Hopefully this may be the one > mentioned in the Will of one of my ARUNDELL ancestors whose Will quotes > ............ "my freehold farm called Hill House consisting of a dwelling > house and buildings and several closes pieces or parcels of land > containing > sixty acres or thereabouts situate in the parish of > Kingsclere in the > County of Southampton..........." My euphoria was to be short lived!!!!! Just checked the 1859 directory on the Kingsclere website and this shows both a Tower Hill House in the village and also a Hill House Farm (J.Povey occupier in 1859). So back to the drawing board. Will have to look at the maps at HRO next time there ................never mind. As we walked around the village yesterday we spotted a "No Smoking" sign on an empty property undergoing some work, which gave rise to conversation at the time. If remembering correctly I think this was once "The Tannery"? Yesterday has kickstarted me to go back and look at some ancestors whose records I've neglected for far too long. Amongst more of the properties mentioned in the Wills of my ARUNDELLs there is this:- ".......all that messuage or tenement now used as two tenements with the shop garden orchard plot of ground and hereditaments thereto belonging called Tan House situate and being in the parish of Kingsclere aforesaid late Walridges???? And also all other my messuages lands......." Could it be one and the same? Ann

Hello Barbara & List This note is later than I would have wished due mainly to ISP problems ongoing since yesterday afternoon. Thank you to You and Roger for making it possible for me to attend the lunch. Thank you too for all the arrangements behind the scenes that made the day go so well. Echoing others, it was a very enjoyable few hours with nice folk. Thank you too to Rita and Peter for another guided walk and especially for pinpointing the location where once stood Hill House. Hopefully this may be the one mentioned in the Will of one of my ARUNDELL ancestors whose Will quotes ............ "my freehold farm called Hill House consisting of a dwelling house and buildings and several closes pieces or parcels of land containing sixty acres or thereabouts situate in the parish of Kingsclere in the County of Southampton..........." Many thanks again. Ann Basingstoke

Hi John, Rod, Bob, Peter and All, Thank you for your messages. It was very nice to be able to get together around the horse shoe shaped table, where we could all chat to each other at the Crown Inn, in the room that was the former School and Court Room. It was very rewarding to know that the Lunch brought together for the first time, Bob HUTCHINS and Gerald SOPER, who share great grandparents. Nice to meet John his wife Joy and mum, my own family tree links in with John LEWIS at least 5 times, if not more and Rod Whale, we share 6th great grandparents with the BURGEMAN/BRIDGMAN family. Jim BATES living in New Zealand, no longer on the List, sent me a book he had put together about his life, it makes interesting reading, and is being read at the moment by Peter McNulty. Beryl Shackleton living in Scotland, brought along her laptop showing her SAVERY FT, she has the BUCKRIDGE family connection. Looking at my computer I discover the same family information coming down on one of the other daughters. Thanks Peter and Rita for the walk after Lunch, much enjoyed, we were luck with the weather. Peter said that after next years 7th Anniversary Lunch, Sunday 5th October 2008, he will take us to the Kingsclere Archives to do a bit of researching, could be interesting. Very best wishes and keep well Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants. UK [email protected] List Admin

Hey John et. al, My mother found some baptismal/birth/ one marriage record and one death record in my grandfather's old shed. I found a Lilly Brown born 1873, who ties into the John Brown Emma Bradley family, along with a Wallace and Alice baptismal records. I can scan it and send it to you John in a email off-list. If anyone is interested let me know, I also found a birth record for Nelson Moore who links up with Ellen Sophia Bradley. BTW, John do you have a William Arthur Cooper in you tree, he was listed to be in the Kingsclere record office in 1941?? Two more random thoughts, on one of my cert's it makes reference to a May Cottage(probably in Ashford Hill or close by) and a Dairy House in Kingsclere does anyone have any ideas where/if these buildings still exist? Second thought is does anyone live near the Aldershot Museum or do I have to find a seperate list for them?? Jeff P.S. One of these years I wouldn't mind flying overeseas to one of these meetings, they seem very informative

On Sun, 7 Oct 2007 19:46:33 +0100 "Bob Hutchins" <[email protected]> wrote: > Yes I too would like to add my thanks to Barabara for a splendid > lunch, and also extend that thanks to Peter & Rita Goff > for the tour of Kingsclere afterwards. Mother in Law enjoyed the day out as well. I gave her a quick tour of Kingsclere in her wheelchair but she specially liked the fact that on the way home I found 110 Worting Road, Basingstoke for her. She had lived there for a couple of years some 65 years ago as a result of Joy's father being assigned to work in the Thorneycroft ammunition factory. He didn't stay there long as his skill as a plasterer was then required for bomb damage work in Southampton. Rather than live in Southampton they moved to Bournemouth where his grandfather Enos Foot had lived for some time after moving there from Donhead St. Mary in Wiltshire. He too was a plasterer and eventually moved to Wimbledon where he and his brothers set up a Plastering contracting business. MinL often talks about the time she spent in Basingstoke. She will remember that period better than she will remember todays' trip by the time tomorrow arrives -- John Lewis Debian (Sid) with the GeneWeb genealogy package

Yes I too would like to add my thanks to Barabara for a splendid lunch, and also extend that thanks to Peter & Rita Goff for the tour of Kingsclere afterwards. Bob Access the Hutchins-Westwood Genealogy Database www.bobhutchins.me.uk or www.rfh.me.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rodney Whale" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [King] Kingsclere 6th Anniversary Lunch > > Hello Everybody, > > I would like to post a vote of thanks to Barbara for organising today's > lunch. I think we all enjoyed ourselves with good food and good company. > The fact that people attended from Scotland, Devon and Leighton Buzzard > obviously highlights the interest people have in this list. > Thank you Barbara, Rod. > > ---------------------------------------- >>From Kingsclere.If you get unsubscribed and did not ask to be >>unsubscribed, please contact List Admin. >>[email protected] > ---------------------------------------- > Changing your Email address, > unsubscribe with your old address and Subscribe to the List with your new > email address. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.3/1054 - Release Date: > 06/10/2007 19:12 >

Hello Everybody, I would like to post a vote of thanks to Barbara for organising today's lunch. I think we all enjoyed ourselves with good food and good company. The fact that people attended from Scotland, Devon and Leighton Buzzard obviously highlights the interest people have in this list. Thank you Barbara, Rod.