Hello Bob I have a John Cocks of Alton who was born 1794 who married Elizabeth Allen in Esher in 1819 Any chance they might be connected to John Allenand Jane Cocjks. Hazel Wiley ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Hutchins" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 4:42 AM Subject: [King] George Allen 1815 > Hello Listers, > I'm hoping someone might have the answer to who George Allen c1815 son of > John Allen & Jane Cocks married c1848. > He can be found in Stourbridge census 1851 married to a Rachel born London > c1829, they had two children Jane 1849 & Fanny 1851 both born Stourbridge > Indications are that they both died before 1861 as Jane can be found in > 1861 > working as a General Servant aged 11 in Richmond North Yorkshire > > Bob > > Access the Hutchins-Westwood Genealogy Database > www.bobhutchins.me.uk > or > www.rfh.me.uk > > ---------------------------------------- >>From Kingsclere.If you get unsubscribed and did not ask to be >>unsubscribed, please contact List Admin. >>[email protected] > ---------------------------------------- > Changing your Email address, > unsubscribe with your old address and Subscribe to the List with your new > email address. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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I have replied to Hazel off list as it strays from Kingsclere, but thought I would post the FFHS Transcription for the marriage of John & Jane 1. Groom - John Allen Status - Occupation - Notes - of Parish Kingclere,Hants" Married at Aldermaston by Licence? - Bride Jane Cocks Status - of Parish - Notes - on 13 Oct 1814 Access the Hutchins-Westwood Genealogy Database www.bobhutchins.me.uk or www.rfh.me.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "HAZEL WILEY" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 7:11 PM Subject: Re: [King] George Allen 1815 > Hello Bob > I have a John Cocks of Alton who was born 1794 who married Elizabeth > Allen > in Esher in 1819 Any chance they might be connected to John Allenand Jane > Cocjks. > Hazel Wiley >

On Saturday 10 November 2007 10:28, you wrote: > On Thu, 8 Nov 2007 21:17:57 +0000 > > So I have to disagree with Nigel on this one. John and list, Now I have seen the evidence I am convinced that John is right. That means I am going to have to write privately to somebody and help them adjust their family tree. Great to see how problems solve with several minds and contributions working on them from different viewpoints. Regards, Nigel Gerdes

Hello Listers, I'm hoping someone might have the answer to who George Allen c1815 son of John Allen & Jane Cocks married c1848. He can be found in Stourbridge census 1851 married to a Rachel born London c1829, they had two children Jane 1849 & Fanny 1851 both born Stourbridge Indications are that they both died before 1861 as Jane can be found in 1861 working as a General Servant aged 11 in Richmond North Yorkshire Bob Access the Hutchins-Westwood Genealogy Database www.bobhutchins.me.uk or www.rfh.me.uk

Hi Folks, I have question. I know the HGS has a CD with burials from all the parish from way back, but have they made one of marriages or births too? Regards Annmarie Burton The Netherlands

On Thu, 8 Nov 2007 21:17:57 +0000 Nigel Gerdes <[email protected]> wrote: > On Thursday 08 November 2007 09:32, john lewis wrote: > > On Thu, 8 Nov 2007 08:45:50 +0000 > > > > john lewis <[email protected]> wrote: > > > There was a Maria Allen bapt in Dec 1805 in Hannington to William > > Allen & Rachel Baggs. William Allen was born in Burghclere ca > > 1782 so I have gone for her as the wife of Benjamin. > > > John and list, > > Maria the daughter of William and Rachael Allen seems never to have > married. She was buried 04 Dec 1886 in Newbury, twenty years after > her father was buried in Kingsclere. In 1806 he was in Winchester > prison and his wife and daughter were removed to Sydmonton. HRO has > the records. There doesn't seem to be a Death entry for any Maria/Mary Allen in Dec Qtr 1886 in FreeBMD. There is an entry for Maria Talmage age 81 in Kingsclere RD Dec Qtr 1886. Benjamin (76) & Maria (75) Talmage were living in Ox Drove, Burghclere in 1881 > 19M76/PO5/234 Rachael (wife of William Allen a prisoner at > Winchester Gaol, charged with felony) and daughter Maria (5 months) > removed from Kingsclere to Sydmonton 1806 > > The wife of Benjamin is far more likely to be her aunt Maria Allen > born ca 1797 at Burghclere to William and Elizabeth Allen nee > White. I have this Maria dying in Ecchinswell in Jan 1874 and buried at St. Lawrence on 24 Jan. I have her as not marrying but having an illegitimate child Charles in 1823. The age of 77 given in burial register is consistent with a birth in 1797. > I feel it is best not to make any connections until the > evidence is available, tempting thou' it may be. My own experience > is that to do otherwise is to risk muddling good and bad data and > losing confidence in the lot unless you document all sources and > apply surety ratings to the data as a pro-researcher would. The evidence from Census records 1851-1881 is that Maria Talmage was born ca1806 in Hannington. The Death entry from BMD is also consistent with a birth in 1806 The marriage entry for Benjamin & Maria records him as being of Burghclere & Maria of Sidmonton. in 1851 William, Rachel and Hannah Allen are living in Sidmonton and from what you say Sidmonton seems to have been their 'home' parish. This is consistent with Maria being of Sidmonton when she married and so being the daughter of William & Rachel. I think it unlikely that a Maria Allen born in Burghclere in 1797 would consistently give her birth place as Hannington and born 9 years later. The BTs for Hannington only have one Allen baptism in the period 1800-1812 plus the marriage of William & Rachel 3 months before the baptism of Maria. So I have to disagree with Nigel on this one. -- John Lewis Debian (Sid) with the GeneWeb genealogy package

Hello Vicki, Thank you for your reply. On behalf of all of the researchers on Kingsclere, we are sorry to hear that you are very ill, we all wish for you good health and pray that you will soon be well again and able to carry on your family research. Our best wishes Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants. UK [email protected] List Admin ----- Original Message ----- From: "historyresearch" <[email protected]> To: "Barbara Mallyon" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 9:31 PM Subject: Re: [King] Surname of SELLWOOD > Hello Barbara and all, > My apologies for the long delay in replying. I have and still am > very ill and have been in and out of hospital etc. Hopefully over > the next few weeks after another cancer operation things might get > back to some sort of normal. I have not done any research for 4 > months so am a bit rusty. > > I don't think that the Manningford Bruce Maria Sellwood is one of > mine although I have got Wiltshire Sellwoods and she might well be. > I will keep your message for further research. Thanks. > Regards > Vicki Turner nee Sellwood > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barbara Mallyon" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 9:21 AM > Subject: [King] Surname of SELLWOOD > > >> >> Hello Vicki and All, >> >> Yesterday searching through the Wiltshire Family History book for >> Manningford Bruce baptisms, I came across the only entry for >> SELLWOOD. >> Baptism of Elizabeth base born daughter of Maria SELLWOOD 11 March >> 1798. Is she one of yours. >> >> Kind regards >> >> Barbara Lewis Mallyon >> Basingstoke, Hants. UK >> [email protected] >> List Admin >> >> ---------------------------------------- >>>From Kingsclere.If you get unsubscribed and did not ask to be >>>unsubscribed, please contact List Admin. >>>[email protected] >> ---------------------------------------- >> Changing your Email address, >> unsubscribe with your old address and Subscribe to the List with >> your new email address. >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >> message >> > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: > 269.15.26/1119 - Release Date: 08/11/2007 17:55 >

Hello Barbara and all, My apologies for the long delay in replying. I have and still am very ill and have been in and out of hospital etc. Hopefully over the next few weeks after another cancer operation things might get back to some sort of normal. I have not done any research for 4 months so am a bit rusty. I don't think that the Manningford Bruce Maria Sellwood is one of mine although I have got Wiltshire Sellwoods and she might well be. I will keep your message for further research. Thanks. Regards Vicki Turner nee Sellwood ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Mallyon" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 9:21 AM Subject: [King] Surname of SELLWOOD > > Hello Vicki and All, > > Yesterday searching through the Wiltshire Family History book for > Manningford Bruce baptisms, I came across the only entry for SELLWOOD. > Baptism of Elizabeth base born daughter of Maria SELLWOOD 11 March > 1798. Is she one of yours. > > Kind regards > > Barbara Lewis Mallyon > Basingstoke, Hants. UK > [email protected] > List Admin > > ---------------------------------------- >>From Kingsclere.If you get unsubscribed and did not ask to be >>unsubscribed, please contact List Admin. >>[email protected] > ---------------------------------------- > Changing your Email address, > unsubscribe with your old address and Subscribe to the List with your new > email address. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

On Thursday 08 November 2007 09:32, john lewis wrote: > On Thu, 8 Nov 2007 08:45:50 +0000 > > john lewis <[email protected]> wrote: > There was a Maria Allen bapt in Dec 1805 in Hannington to William > Allen & Rachel Baggs. William Allen was born in Burghclere ca 1782 so > I have gone for her as the wife of Benjamin. > John and list, Maria the daughter of William and Rachael Allen seems never to have married. She was buried 04 Dec 1886 in Newbury, twenty years after her father was buried in Kingsclere. In 1806 he was in Winchester prison and his wife and daughter were removed to Sydmonton. HRO has the records. 19M76/PO5/234 Rachael (wife of William Allen a prisoner at Winchester Gaol, charged with felony) and daughter Maria (5 months) removed from Kingsclere to Sydmonton 1806 The wife of Benjamin is far more likely to be her aunt Maria Allen born ca 1797 at Burghclere to William and Elizabeth Allen nee White. I feel it is best not to make any connections until the evidence is available, tempting thou' it may be. My own experience is that to do otherwise is to risk muddling good and bad data and losing confidence in the lot unless you document all sources and apply surety ratings to the data as a pro-researcher would. I would not wish to offend anybody by wrongly describing their family. Regards, Nigel Gerdes

Hi Mark, I will answer you off line as Sarah VIVASH siblings and parents are all located in Berkshire. Kind regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants. UK [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: mark pinches To: Barbara Mallyon ; [email protected] Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 9:58 AM Subject: Re: [King] Collings of Kingsclere Hi Barbara and all, Can you help me with any info you have on Sarah VIVASH. Thanks Mark Pinches [email protected] On 07/11/2007, Barbara Mallyon <[email protected]> wrote: Hi Mark, Thomas MILES is the twin brother of Henry MILES both born 1833 Swan Street, Kingsclere, baptised 28 May 1833 St. Mary's Kingsclere. Parents are Robert MILES and Elizabeth HOLLY, my 4 x great grandparents. It is Thomas brother William who married Sarah VIVASH with whom we already have a family link. Kind regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants. UK [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark pinches" < [email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected] > Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 9:58 AM Subject: Re: [King] Collings of Kingsclere > Hi All, > Think I might have a connection with your Thomas MILES but need to > know when > and where he was born? > Please can you help > Thanks > Mark Pinches > [email protected] > > On 06/11/2007, Nigel Gerdes < [email protected]> wrote: >> >> On Monday 05 November 2007 22:49, Barbara Mallyon wrote: >> > Hi John, Jane and All, >> > >> > I have also been researching the COLLINS family. Eliza COLLINS >> > married >> > Thomas MILES 15 October 1853 St. Mary's Kingsclere.( 4 x great >> > uncle). >> > Eliza parents are David COLLINS and Mary xxx, David born Cookham, >> > Berkshire 1804, his father is John COLLINS. >> > >> > David COLLINS also married Mary ANDREW'S nee WOODHOUSE no date or >> > further information. >> > >> > --------------- Here are some notes that I have made on the >> > COLLINS >> family. >> > >> > Burial of James COLLINS age 69 years Union Workhouse, Kingsclere >> > 20 >> > November 1840 ref page 172 1374 >> > >> > Marriage FIDLER William COLLINS Margaret 21 Jun 1788 East Woodhay >> > >> > 08 May 1830 >> > John COLLINS bachelor otp Maria DENNIS spinster otp >> > By Banns with Consent of Parents. >> > Witnesses: Eliz HAILSTONE (x); William FOSBURY (sgd) >> > >> >> Hi all, >> >> Dennis and Woodhouse are both surnames in my family tree. >> >> Maria Dennis died in 1853 and was buried 03 April 1853 at >> Burghclere as >> Maria >> Martin having married George Martin on the 12 Jul 1834 at >> Burghclere after >> the death of her first husband John Collins who died ca August 1832 >> at >> Burghclere. After her death George Martin married Caroline Huntly >> on 16 >> Jun >> 1855 (FreeBMD 2Q Kingsclere 2c 337). >> >> Could Mary Andrews nee Woodhouse be the daughter of Issac Woodhouse >> and >> Sarah >> Woodhouse nee Martin? 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Hi Barbara and all, Can you help me with any info you have on Sarah VIVASH. Thanks Mark Pinches [email protected] On 07/11/2007, Barbara Mallyon <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Mark, > > Thomas MILES is the twin brother of Henry MILES both born 1833 Swan > Street, Kingsclere, baptised 28 May 1833 St. Mary's Kingsclere. > Parents are Robert MILES and Elizabeth HOLLY, my 4 x great > grandparents. > > It is Thomas brother William who married Sarah VIVASH with whom we > already have a family link. > > Kind regards > > Barbara Lewis Mallyon > Basingstoke, Hants. UK > [email protected] > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mark pinches" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]>; > <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 9:58 AM > Subject: Re: [King] Collings of Kingsclere > > > > Hi All, > > Think I might have a connection with your Thomas MILES but need to > > know when > > and where he was born? > > Please can you help > > Thanks > > Mark Pinches > > [email protected] > > > > On 06/11/2007, Nigel Gerdes <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> On Monday 05 November 2007 22:49, Barbara Mallyon wrote: > >> > Hi John, Jane and All, > >> > > >> > I have also been researching the COLLINS family. Eliza COLLINS > >> > married > >> > Thomas MILES 15 October 1853 St. Mary's Kingsclere.( 4 x great > >> > uncle). > >> > Eliza parents are David COLLINS and Mary xxx, David born Cookham, > >> > Berkshire 1804, his father is John COLLINS. > >> > > >> > David COLLINS also married Mary ANDREW'S nee WOODHOUSE no date or > >> > further information. > >> > > >> > --------------- Here are some notes that I have made on the > >> > COLLINS > >> family. > >> > > >> > Burial of James COLLINS age 69 years Union Workhouse, Kingsclere > >> > 20 > >> > November 1840 ref page 172 1374 > >> > > >> > Marriage FIDLER William COLLINS Margaret 21 Jun 1788 East Woodhay > >> > > >> > 08 May 1830 > >> > John COLLINS bachelor otp Maria DENNIS spinster otp > >> > By Banns with Consent of Parents. > >> > Witnesses: Eliz HAILSTONE (x); William FOSBURY (sgd) > >> > > >> > >> Hi all, > >> > >> Dennis and Woodhouse are both surnames in my family tree. > >> > >> Maria Dennis died in 1853 and was buried 03 April 1853 at > >> Burghclere as > >> Maria > >> Martin having married George Martin on the 12 Jul 1834 at > >> Burghclere after > >> the death of her first husband John Collins who died ca August 1832 > >> at > >> Burghclere. After her death George Martin married Caroline Huntly > >> on 16 > >> Jun > >> 1855 (FreeBMD 2Q Kingsclere 2c 337). > >> > >> Could Mary Andrews nee Woodhouse be the daughter of Issac Woodhouse > >> and > >> Sarah > >> Woodhouse nee Martin? If so she was baptised 19 May 1781 at St > >> Marys, > >> Kingsclere. > >> > >> Does anybody have the Mary Woodhouse = Unknown Andrews mariage? > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> Nigel Gerdes > >> ---------------------------------------- > >> >From Kingsclere.If you get unsubscribed and did not ask to be > >> unsubscribed, please contact List Admin. > >> [email protected] > >> ---------------------------------------- > >> Changing your Email address, > >> unsubscribe with your old address and Subscribe to the List with > >> your new > >> email address. > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word > >> 'unsubscribe' > >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > ---------------------------------------- > >>From Kingsclere.If you get unsubscribed and did not ask to be > >>unsubscribed, please contact List Admin. > >>[email protected] > > ---------------------------------------- > > Changing your Email address, > > unsubscribe with your old address and Subscribe to the List with > > your new email address. > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word > > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > > message > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.24/1115 - Release Date: > > 07/11/2007 09:21 > > > > > > ---------------------------------------- > >From Kingsclere.If you get unsubscribed and did not ask to be > unsubscribed, please contact List Admin. > [email protected] > ---------------------------------------- > Changing your Email address, > unsubscribe with your old address and Subscribe to the List with your new > email address. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

On Thu, 8 Nov 2007 08:45:50 +0000 john lewis <[email protected]> wrote: > On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 20:32:13 +0000 > Nigel Gerdes <[email protected]> wrote: > > > The 1851 census shows that Maria Martin was born ca 1809 at > > Burghclere. She was the daughter of Samuel and Sarah Dennis. Maria > > has a brother George Dennis b ca 1802 Bromley (London not Kent) > > and baptised 25 July 1802 Bromley. George Dennis married Elizabeth > > Mills 20 Jan 1825 at Burghclere (Does anybody know who the > > witnesses are?) > > Hants Marriage Index has him marrying Elizabeth TALMAGE at Highclere > on that date. Elizabeth Talmage bapt. at Highclere on 17 Aug 1806, parents John WESTON and Mary Talmage. I noticed that a Benjamin TALMAGE was living next door to George Dennis at Burghclere in 1861 Census. Benjamin born Burghclere ca1805 with a wife Maria born Hannington ca1806. Benjamin (TAMMAGE) married Maria Allen at St. Mary Kingsclere on 29 Mar 1826 when Benjamin was 'of Burghclere' and Maria 'of Sidmonton' There was a Maria Allen bapt in Dec 1805 in Hannington to William Allen & Rachel Baggs. William Allen was born in Burghclere ca 1782 so I have gone for her as the wife of Benjamin. Was Benjamin related to Mary Talmage is the next question. -- John Lewis Debian (Sid) with the GeneWeb genealogy package

On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 20:32:13 +0000 Nigel Gerdes <[email protected]> wrote: > The 1851 census shows that Maria Martin was born ca 1809 at > Burghclere. She was the daughter of Samuel and Sarah Dennis. Maria > has a brother George Dennis b ca 1802 Bromley (London not Kent) and > baptised 25 July 1802 Bromley. George Dennis married Elizabeth > Mills 20 Jan 1825 at Burghclere (Does anybody know who the > witnesses are?) Hants Marriage Index has him marrying Elizabeth TALMAGE at Highclere on that date. other 'local' marriages from the HMI include: 23 Nov 1819, Hannington, Thomas Dennis & Harrier Digweed 19 Oct 1822, Kingsclere, John Dennis & Ann Wheatland 25 Oct 1826, Burghclere, William Dennis & Martha Whittick > and in 1881 was living at Spring Lane, Burghclere. > That is how the connection with Bromley came to light. Maria might > have been baptised there as well despite being recorded in the 1851 > census that she was of Burghclere. The 1841 census household in > Burghclere shows the Dennis amd Martin link across two generations. > Her father was born ca 1776 at Inkpen and her mother MIGHT be Sarah > Faithful who married 14 Jun 1800 at Kintbury. -- John Lewis Debian (Sid) with the GeneWeb genealogy package

Hi Mark, Thomas MILES is the twin brother of Henry MILES both born 1833 Swan Street, Kingsclere, baptised 28 May 1833 St. Mary's Kingsclere. Parents are Robert MILES and Elizabeth HOLLY, my 4 x great grandparents. It is Thomas brother William who married Sarah VIVASH with whom we already have a family link. Kind regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants. UK [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark pinches" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 9:58 AM Subject: Re: [King] Collings of Kingsclere > Hi All, > Think I might have a connection with your Thomas MILES but need to > know when > and where he was born? > Please can you help > Thanks > Mark Pinches > [email protected] > > On 06/11/2007, Nigel Gerdes <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> On Monday 05 November 2007 22:49, Barbara Mallyon wrote: >> > Hi John, Jane and All, >> > >> > I have also been researching the COLLINS family. Eliza COLLINS >> > married >> > Thomas MILES 15 October 1853 St. Mary's Kingsclere.( 4 x great >> > uncle). >> > Eliza parents are David COLLINS and Mary xxx, David born Cookham, >> > Berkshire 1804, his father is John COLLINS. >> > >> > David COLLINS also married Mary ANDREW'S nee WOODHOUSE no date or >> > further information. >> > >> > --------------- Here are some notes that I have made on the >> > COLLINS >> family. >> > >> > Burial of James COLLINS age 69 years Union Workhouse, Kingsclere >> > 20 >> > November 1840 ref page 172 1374 >> > >> > Marriage FIDLER William COLLINS Margaret 21 Jun 1788 East Woodhay >> > >> > 08 May 1830 >> > John COLLINS bachelor otp Maria DENNIS spinster otp >> > By Banns with Consent of Parents. >> > Witnesses: Eliz HAILSTONE (x); William FOSBURY (sgd) >> > >> >> Hi all, >> >> Dennis and Woodhouse are both surnames in my family tree. >> >> Maria Dennis died in 1853 and was buried 03 April 1853 at >> Burghclere as >> Maria >> Martin having married George Martin on the 12 Jul 1834 at >> Burghclere after >> the death of her first husband John Collins who died ca August 1832 >> at >> Burghclere. After her death George Martin married Caroline Huntly >> on 16 >> Jun >> 1855 (FreeBMD 2Q Kingsclere 2c 337). >> >> Could Mary Andrews nee Woodhouse be the daughter of Issac Woodhouse >> and >> Sarah >> Woodhouse nee Martin? If so she was baptised 19 May 1781 at St >> Marys, >> Kingsclere. >> >> Does anybody have the Mary Woodhouse = Unknown Andrews mariage? >> >> Regards, >> >> Nigel Gerdes >> ---------------------------------------- >> >From Kingsclere.If you get unsubscribed and did not ask to be >> unsubscribed, please contact List Admin. >> [email protected] >> ---------------------------------------- >> Changing your Email address, >> unsubscribe with your old address and Subscribe to the List with >> your new >> email address. >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word >> 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > ---------------------------------------- >>From Kingsclere.If you get unsubscribed and did not ask to be >>unsubscribed, please contact List Admin. >>[email protected] > ---------------------------------------- > Changing your Email address, > unsubscribe with your old address and Subscribe to the List with > your new email address. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.24/1115 - Release Date: > 07/11/2007 09:21 > >

On Wednesday 07 November 2007 07:51, Barbara Mallyon wrote: > Married 11 February 1871 David COLLINS widower age 67 to Elizabeth > ANDREWS full age widow, both of Kingsclere. David's father John > COLLINS and Elizabeth father is Isaac WOODHOUSE. married by banns St. > Mary's Kingsclere. > Witnesses are Isaac and Charlotte WOODHOUSE. > > Kind regards > > Barbara Lewis Mallyon > Basingstoke, Hants. UK > [email protected] > Hi all, Then the witnesses must be husband and wife. This looks to be Charlotte New who married Issac on the 25 Oct 1851 at Kingsclere. In 1871 Elizabeth's father born ca 1747 would no longer be alive. Indeed he was buried 10 Jan 1829 at Hannington with a given age of 82 years. Since David Collins married ELIZABETH Woodhouse, what exactly happened to her half sister Mary remains an unknown. Regards, Nigel Gerdes

On Wednesday 07 November 2007 16:13, john lewis wrote: > On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 15:58:16 +0000 > > john lewis <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Tue, 6 Nov 2007 23:09:32 +0000 > > > > john lewis <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I found the marriage of John Collins & Maria Martin in the Hants > > > Marr Index at Burghclere on 8 May 1830, John was buried at > > > Burghclere on 1 Aug 1832 age 24. I have checked the Burghclere > > > BTs and there are no Collins or Dennis baptisms there. > > > > No children of Solomon & Phebe are to be found in Hants > > Bapt Index but Maria looks the best bet for the one who > > married John Collins & George Martin. > > I forgot to say that if Maria was born in Thatcham then why not John > Collins and I have a candidate on the website, John born 10 Jan 1806 > to Thomas & Sarah (Moules or Mowles) who married at Thatcham on 30 > Jul 1804. Makes him a couple of years older than his age of 24 at > death. Hi all, The 1851 census shows that Maria Martin was born ca 1809 at Burghclere. She was the daughter of Samuel and Sarah Dennis. Maria has a brother George Dennis b ca 1802 Bromley (London not Kent) and baptised 25 July 1802 Bromley. George Dennis married Elizabeth Mills 20 Jan 1825 at Burghclere (Does anybody know who the witnesses are?) and in 1881 was living at Spring Lane, Burghclere. That is how the connection with Bromley came to light. Maria might have been baptised there as well despite being recorded in the 1851 census that she was of Burghclere. The 1841 census household in Burghclere shows the Dennis amd Martin link across two generations. Her father was born ca 1776 at Inkpen and her mother MIGHT be Sarah Faithful who married 14 Jun 1800 at Kintbury. Maria is the sister in law of Eliza Smith nee Martin (wife of Elisha Smith) who was my great great grandmother. A link between the Burgchlere and the Hannington Martins would be very amazing because it would provide common distant ancestors for my parents that they would never have known about. If anybody has already researched the 18th century Dennis family in Inkpen, I would be very grateful for information. Regards, Nigel Gerdes

On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 15:58:16 +0000 john lewis <[email protected]> wrote: > On Tue, 6 Nov 2007 23:09:32 +0000 > john lewis <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I found the marriage of John Collins & Maria Martin in the Hants > > Marr Index at Burghclere on 8 May 1830, John was buried at > > Burghclere on 1 Aug 1832 age 24. I have checked the Burghclere > > BTs and there are no Collins or Dennis baptisms there. > No children of Solomon & Phebe are to be found in Hants > Bapt Index but Maria looks the best bet for the one who > married John Collins & George Martin. I forgot to say that if Maria was born in Thatcham then why not John Collins and I have a candidate on the website, John born 10 Jan 1806 to Thomas & Sarah (Moules or Mowles) who married at Thatcham on 30 Jul 1804. Makes him a couple of years older than his age of 24 at death. -- John Lewis Debian (Sid) with the GeneWeb genealogy package

On Tue, 6 Nov 2007 23:09:32 +0000 john lewis <[email protected]> wrote: > I found the marriage of John Collins & Maria Martin in the Hants > Marr Index at Burghclere on 8 May 1830, John was buried at > Burghclere on 1 Aug 1832 age 24. I have checked the Burghclere > BTs and there are no Collins or Dennis baptisms there. > > However the 1851 Census indicates that Maria was born ca1809 in > Burghclere. 1808 is missing from the BTs, so I wonder if she was > born in Newtown or Ecchinswell since both are only "just down the > road". Something else for me to check tomorrow. The 1851 Census has George & Maria Martin living in Burghclere 1851 Census, West Street, Burghclere: George Martin, head, 38 ag lab, Burghclere Maria -do-, wife 42, , Burghclere John -do-, son, 8, servant ag lab, Burghclere George -do-, son, 6, scholar, Burghclere Ann -do-, dau, 4, , Burghclere Charles -do-, son, 9mo, , Burghclere Samuel Dennis, lodger, widr, 72, Inkpen, Berks Hannah Collins, lodger, 19, , Burghclere Eliza -do-, lodger,1, , Burghclere George Curtis, lodger, 2, , Burghclere I wondered if Samuel could be her father though usually he would have been recorded as father in law if so. I found Samuel had married Sarah Faithfull in Kintbury on 14 Jun 1880 and had a daughter Ann bapt in Inkpen on 14 Dec 1800 but no sign of any other children. So possibly Samuel was an Uncle. I then looked on the IGI for Maria and found : MARIA DENNIS Pedigree Female Event(s): Birth: 21 NOV 1806 Christening: 22 MAR 1807 Thatcham, Berks Parents: Father: SOLOMON DENNIS Family Mother: PHEBE and that Solomon Dennis married Phebe Cook at St. Mary Thatcham on 11 Feb 1806. and one other child John born 1 Jan 1810 bapt St. Mary, Thatcham 4 Feb 1810. There is no baptism for Solomon or Samuel on the IGI No children of Solomon & Phebe are to be found in Hants Bapt Index but Maria looks the best bet for the one who married John Collins & George Martin. -- John Lewis Debian (Sid) with the GeneWeb genealogy package

Hello All The old Burial register for Kingsclere (Ecchinswell Road Burial Ground) has been deposited with HRO. If any lister is going to Winchester could they see if they can look up Thomas William Armstrong - 1939 Mary Ann Armstrong - 1942 And identify the plot numbers. Regards Peter G