Good morning & Happy new year to all I have a bit of a mystery a Fanny Hart sister of James Hart both born Burghclere appears to have married at Kingsclere Dec quar 1871 .Fanny's Mother Naomi Smith married first Thomas Hart then someone Pope and there is a suggestion of another marriage for Naomi as well. Fanny appears to have taken the Pope surname and married under same. This is getting very confusing. Could some kind person check the marriages for me . Thankyou Beverley Smith

Hello Listers At this happy time of the year I have to bring you sad tidings that Robert Legg, ex vicar of Kingsclere and list member, died on Thursday 19th December. While his body has been failing his mind has been as busy as ever with historical research and he was thrilled when earlier in the year he was able to visit the Tidgrove site and view the remains of Henry II's "travel lodge" thus confirming his long held belief that Freemantle was there and not on Cottington Hill. http://www.kingsclere.org.uk/digit.html I am, personally, grateful to him for all the information he has supplied for inclusion on the Kingsclere web pages. The funeral will be on Thursday 3rd January in Whitchurch, Hampshire at 2pm. Regards Peter G _______________________________________ No viruses found in this outgoing message Scanned by iolo AntiVirus 1.5.1.4 http://www.iolo.com

Thank you for your good wishes & all the help & interesting facts you bring to our screens. Special thanks especially to those that do the hard work trawling through archives. I look forward to having an even bigger extended family next year as more data goes online. I've never learnt so much about history as through genealogy or been humbled so much by people's generosity since starting my family trees. Thank you all. Roger Corti Researching Fry, Twitchin, Wright, Saich, Lavender, Rogers, Corti, Burdge, Tipping, Riglin amongst others.

Hello Everyone, One week today it will be Christmas Eve. A very HAPPY CHRISTMAS to you and your family and very best wishes for a happy, healthy and prosperous 2008 Look after yourself and your computer. Cheers Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants. UK [email protected] List Admin

Hello Mark, Thank you for your reply, I will tell my cousin Lewis, about our VIVASH family link. Kind regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants. UK [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: mark pinches To: Barbara Mallyon ; [email protected] Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 2:09 PM Subject: Re: [King] Joseph MILES and Martha BRIDGMAN Hi Barbara, As you know my wife and daughter have links to these families and yourself Mark Pinches

On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 04:11:18 -0000 "Barbara Mallyon" <[email protected]> wrote: > The Hampshire Genealogical Society magazine "The Hampshire Family > Historian", dated December 2007 has a picture of All Saints Church, > Hannington on page 216, taken by Roger Lewis. If anyone would like > a copy of the picture by email attachment, please let me know. and some links to Kingsclere Pics http://www.geograph.org.uk/search.php?i=2012026 http://www.geograph.org.uk/search.php?i=2012050 http://www.geograph.org.uk/search.php?i=2012068 http://www.geograph.org.uk/search.php?i=2012074 perhaps simpler to go to: http://www.geograph.org.uk/search.php?i=2012074 and input the place of your choice into the placename box and click on search. -- John Lewis Debian (Sid) with the GeneWeb genealogy package

Hi Barbara, As you know my wife and daughter have links to these families and yourself Mark Pinches On 15/12/2007, Barbara Mallyon <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hello All, > > During the week I have been found by a young man tracing his family > tree, the MILES line of Joseph MILES and Martha BRIDGMAN. This young > man is my 5th cousin, there are a few people tracing this line, I > would like to hear from them if they are a direct link to me and this > young man, so I can tell him tomorrow when we meet, that he has other > cousins. > > I'm thrilled to bits to think that I have found my gg grandmother > Sarah Jane MILES brother Henry's family. Henry went to Devon and now > know about his family life in Devon, John Lewis website has Henry as > going to Devon, I can now add to that. > > Kind regards > > Barbara Lewis Mallyon > Basingstoke, Hants. UK > [email protected] > > > > > > ---------------------------------------- > >From Kingsclere.If you get unsubscribed and did not ask to be > unsubscribed, please contact List Admin. > [email protected] > ---------------------------------------- > Changing your Email address, > unsubscribe with your old address and Subscribe to the List with your new > email address. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello All, During the week I have been found by a young man tracing his family tree, the MILES line of Joseph MILES and Martha BRIDGMAN. This young man is my 5th cousin, there are a few people tracing this line, I would like to hear from them if they are a direct link to me and this young man, so I can tell him tomorrow when we meet, that he has other cousins. I'm thrilled to bits to think that I have found my gg grandmother Sarah Jane MILES brother Henry's family. Henry went to Devon and now know about his family life in Devon, John Lewis website has Henry as going to Devon, I can now add to that. Kind regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants. UK [email protected]

Hello All, The Hampshire Genealogical Society magazine "The Hampshire Family Historian", dated December 2007 has a picture of All Saints Church, Hannington on page 216, taken by Roger Lewis. If anyone would like a copy of the picture by email attachment, please let me know. Kind regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants. UK [email protected] List Admin

On Wed, 5 Dec 2007 17:18:03 -0000 "Barbara Mallyon" <[email protected]> wrote: > I spoke to John Lewis this morning on the telephone, he is keeping > well, the problem is his computer. > If anyone has written to John and has not had a reply from him, > this is the reason. John hopes to be sorting his computer out in > the next few days. problem was that both my main and spare systems had motherboard problems. Have now got the spare system up and running again and downloaded the heap of emails that had built up at my ISP. The main system needs drastic surgery tho' so will have to wait and see if Santa will bring me the necessary bits and bobs to get that back online. I will make a start on catching up with the backlog of emails tomorrow. on a personal note Joy's eldest daughter will be getting married at 6am in Cairns (8pm UK time) today before taking a helicopter flight to the Great Barrier Reef for a short honeymoon before finishing their Australian adventure with a week in Sydney. Morag & her partner have spent the last 3 weeks on a sight-seeing trip driving from Perth to Darwin, from where they flew to Cairns . Their marriage is already recorded in my genealogy database so they had better not have last minute thoughts :-) Things worked out nicely for them so that Morag could see her new grandson before they left rather than having to wait until she got back home. -- John Lewis Debian (Sid) with the GeneWeb genealogy package

Hello All, I spoke to John Lewis this morning on the telephone, he is keeping well, the problem is his computer. If anyone has written to John and has not had a reply from him, this is the reason. John hopes to be sorting his computer out in the next few days. The Bracknell Family History Fair is on Sunday the 27th January 2008. Held at the Bracknell Sports and Leisure Centre, Bagshot Road, Bracknell, Berkshire The largest fair in the South of England. Open at 10am to 5pm. Most people take a snack lunch to avoid the queues, it is also quieter in the afternoon. See you there. Kind regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants. UK [email protected] List Admin

Good morning I would like to thank Dorothy with such a wealth of information. a number of things stand out ,the surnames Goddard and Smith we already have these names in our family its getting very complicated. Need to get my head around it all. Thankyou Regards Beverley Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [King] Query > Have you looked through the various Census entries in which James Hart > appears? The one for 1861 is particularly interesting since it shows that > James' > father Thomas had died sometime between around 1853 (when James' younger > sister Fanny was born) and that his mother had re-married to a James > Goddard. A > Thomas Smith is also listed as James Goddard's 'father-in-law' and > therefore > probably the father of James Hart's mother Naomi. > > I also see that in 1841 Thomas Smith had a Charles Hart living in his > household, possibly a relation of his (future?) son-in-law Thomas. I could > not find > a married Thomas and Naomi Hart in that Census but a single Naomi Smith of > the correct age was living/working in Berkshire. > > Putting 'Burghclere Goddard' into Google I found that somebody had already > done some research in to this family. They give Naomi as being the > daughter of > Thomas Smith, marrying not only Thomas Hart and James Goddard but a Thomas > Pope as well - no date given. They also state that James Goddard and > Naomi > Hart/Smith were married Burghclere in Nov 1858 but a quick search of the > marriage > index via 'ancestry' did not show this, so you would need to check the > parish register - or maybe somebody else on the List has their own copy > and can > check it for you. > > The BMD Indexes via FreeBMD are strangely quiet with regard to this > family! > > Hope that is some help, > > Dorothy > > > > > > ---------------------------------------- >>From Kingsclere.If you get unsubscribed and did not ask to be >>unsubscribed, please contact List Admin. >>[email protected] > ---------------------------------------- > Changing your Email address, > unsubscribe with your old address and Subscribe to the List with your new > email address. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.12/1163 - Release Date: > 01/12/2007 12:05 > >

Have you looked through the various Census entries in which James Hart appears? The one for 1861 is particularly interesting since it shows that James' father Thomas had died sometime between around 1853 (when James' younger sister Fanny was born) and that his mother had re-married to a James Goddard. A Thomas Smith is also listed as James Goddard's 'father-in-law' and therefore probably the father of James Hart's mother Naomi. I also see that in 1841 Thomas Smith had a Charles Hart living in his household, possibly a relation of his (future?) son-in-law Thomas. I could not find a married Thomas and Naomi Hart in that Census but a single Naomi Smith of the correct age was living/working in Berkshire. Putting 'Burghclere Goddard' into Google I found that somebody had already done some research in to this family. They give Naomi as being the daughter of Thomas Smith, marrying not only Thomas Hart and James Goddard but a Thomas Pope as well - no date given. They also state that James Goddard and Naomi Hart/Smith were married Burghclere in Nov 1858 but a quick search of the marriage index via 'ancestry' did not show this, so you would need to check the parish register - or maybe somebody else on the List has their own copy and can check it for you. The BMD Indexes via FreeBMD are strangely quiet with regard to this family! Hope that is some help, Dorothy

Good afternoon I'm trying to clean up a few more brick walls. I have a James Hart b circa 1848 at Burghclere, Father Thomas Hart. James married our Elizabeth Randall in Newbury Berkshire date 1870..As there is nothing on the IGI, how can I find out more . Regards Beverley Smith

Hello All, These details were give on another Rootsweb. Report on the 1911 Census. For 45 pounds I received two A3 scanned pages showing my grandfather's own hand writing. There was the columns for number of children born alive, how many still alive and how many dead. In this case the numbers are 11/6/5 respectively. It then struck me I only have found 8 of the children so far and now have another 3 to find; probably all of whom died in infancy. Kind regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants. UK (very wet, windy miserable morning) [email protected]

Hello Laurel, Where have you got your information from when you say Jane Cecilia gives birth when she was in Kingsclere. The 1851 Census for the Channel Islands, there is nothing on the name Jane Cecilia De Silva ?? or De Saare. I could not find a baptism for Cecelia Dora born 2 April 1831, Kingsclere, she could have been baptised anywhere in any church. There is nothing on the 1851 Census for England under either of the names that you have given. Kind regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants. UK [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurel Young" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 7:12 AM Subject: [King] Miracle > Hi Listers > I realise I am asking for a miracle which I know, happens very > rarely. > I seeking the marriage of Jane Cecilia she gives her birth date > as 11 Dec. 1801 ( as per Jersey C/Islands census) at Kingsclere, > Southhampton it is believed she married a Jane Cecilia some time > prior to 1838, at Kingsclere and had a daughter Cecelia Dora born > 2 April 1831. > She was the widow of Perchottis De Saare when she married in Jersey > 1838 > If I knew the names De Silva , and De Saare were at least > listed in the area may give me a remote lead. when she married on > Thanks in anticipation of any help and clues. > Laurel South Australia > ---------------------------------------- >>From Kingsclere.If you get unsubscribed and did not ask to be >>unsubscribed, please contact List Admin. >>[email protected] > ---------------------------------------- > Changing your Email address, > unsubscribe with your old address and Subscribe to the List with > your new email address. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.5/1148 - Release Date: > 23/11/2007 19:39 > >

Hi Listers I realise I am asking for a miracle which I know, happens very rarely. I seeking the marriage of Jane Cecilia ( De Silva ??) she gives her birth date as 11 Dec. 1801 ( as per Jersey C/Islands census) at Kingsclere, Southhampton it is believed she married a Perchottis De Saare some time prior to 1838, at Kingsclere and had a daughter Cecelia Dora born 2 April 1831. She was the widow of Perchottis De Saare when she married in Jersey 1838 If I knew the names De Silva , and De Saare were at least listed in the area may give me a remote lead. when she married on Thanks in anticipation of any help and clues. Laurel South Australia

John Lewis wrote: > it seems it ['laborer'] was the older spelling of the > word that was used by whoever wrote up the Woodlands > registers. To confirm what John has said, I am researching family lines in a lot of places other than Kingsclere as, I imagine, are other Listers. I can confirm that the spelling "laborer" occurs very frequently, and in some areas seems to be the standard spelling. Mike ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/

On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 09:37:04 -0000 "Barbara Mallyon" <[email protected]> wrote: > Word Labourer was spelt in register as Laborer labor(er) is according to some the 'correct' English spelling and not a US variant. It is the spelling used by a certain Wm Shakespeare, so it seems it was the older spelling of the word that was used by whoever wrote up the Woodlands registers. I only have the fiche to 1917 so don't know if the spelling changed after that date. It was written with the 'u' in the St. Mary Registers after the mid 1870s but even then it depends on who wrote it, judging by the handwriting. I think that when doing 'pure' transcriptions of registers we should use the actual spelling whether or not it is conforms to our modern UK usage. However when it comes to entering data into the software we use it may be necessary to 'standardise' on one spelling of a word to __simplify__ searching*. Most software packages I have seen don't even handle things like aliases very well. Computers are not best suited to understanding spelling variants as they don't work the way our brains do but treat every variant as a unique form. Whereas we can regard (for example) Wythe, Wyeth or Wyethe as being the same name without any problem. *some search engines are better than others at this sort of thing. -- John Lewis Debian (Sid) with the GeneWeb genealogy package

Baptisms for the Parish Register copy of originals, Kingsclere Woodlands 1857/58 All were living in Kingsclere Woodlands. KNIGHT George parents John and Letitia occ Laborer 10 March WILLIAMS Kesia parents Elisha and Elizabeth occ Laborer LEACH Henry parents John and Eliza occ Laborer 24 March LAWRENCE Mary Ann (base born) mother Etlen or Ehen ? 4 April FOSTER James parents William and Sarah occ Laborer 8 April MAY Henry parents John and Mary Ann occ Laborer 16 April MARINER George parents Charlotte and John occ Laborer 26 April ROLF George Joseph and Charlotte occ Laborer 6 June ? entry 1858 FOSTER Emma parents Charles and Martha occ Laborer 1 November FOSTER Thomas parents Charles and Martha occ Laborer 1 November COLLINS Francis James parents William and Jane occ Farmer 8 November FLINT Walter parents William and Mary Ann occ.Sailor 25 December HUSSEY Albert patents James and Emma occ Grocer 27 December SHERYER Samuel parents Richard and Mary Ann occ Farmer 27 December PIERCE Harriet parents George and Elizabeth occ Laborer 3 January GREEN George parents Antony and Rebecca occ Grocer 17 January Word Labourer was spelt in register as Laborer Kind regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants. UK [email protected] List Admin