I would be interested in the report. Still trying to determine why or how my gggf William smith from wilts married georgiena thorne from kingsclere. I figure there has to be family in the area. So I've been 'collecting' kingsclere smiths especially those near Ecchingswell. Some day I may find the link and get a clue to William smith's ancestors. Regards -chuck smith Sent from my iPhone On Sep 1, 2009, at 4:38 AM, Gbsoper49@aol.com wrote: > I have just been investigating a trial in Reading in which one of my > ancestors was involved, he was found not guilty. There were eight > men charged, > as below:- > > Stephen Smith,23, Charles Smith,19, James Hutchins,22, David > Hutchins,27, > James Blackney,34, Henry Rabbits,21, Henry Clarke, 25, and Charles > Smith,19. > > All the accused appear to be from Kingsclere area, most from > Ashford Hill. > I think I have identified the first six, they are all on John Lewis's > site, the first two Smiths are brothers. The last two I cannot > identify with > certainty. In addition there are various witnesses mentioned, > probably the > most significant is Eli Butler, brother in law to Stephen & Charles > Smith. > Brothers George & Charles Cotterell are also mentioned. > > The poaching occured in December 1862 at Corbyn's wood, Bucklebury. > > Four of the accused were found guilty, Stephen Smith,23, Charles > Smith,19, > Henry Rabbits,21 & Henry Clarke, 25. > > If anybody is interested I have copies of report from Berkshire > Chronicle > or a word document with transcript of report, subject to my typing > errors.I > will send them off list to anyone who contacts me. > > Gerald > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------- >> From Kingsclere. ALL SURNAMES IN CAPITAL LETTERS PLEASE. > --------------------------------------- > If you get unsubscribed and did not ask to be unsubscribed, please > email eng-hampshire-kingsclere-admin@rootsweb.com > --------------------------------------- > Make sure your Anti Virus Protection is updated and do a weekly > backup of your files. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HAMPSHIRE-KINGSCLERE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Hello All, The National Archives has announced its proposed car park charges to come into effect from next January. The daily rate is £5. Annual season tickets will range from £75 to £350 depending on vehicle emission levels. Full details can be found at http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documents/car-parking-proposal.pdf. ------------------- I read an email where it said that The National Archives was going to close on a Monday, so it may be worth your while to telephone the National Archive before your visit, just to make sure they are open and that you can get in the car park if travelling by car. Kind regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants. UK BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk List Admin

Hello Elizabeth and All, My 6 x great grandmother is Mary BARTHOLOMEW she married Joseph MILES 8 July 1739 Speen, Berkshire, they had 3 children, so far that is all I have for her. Here are some note that may be of interest. Mary BARTHOLOMEW married Joseph PEARCE 8 January 1792 at Newtown, Hants. John BARTHOLOMEW married Mary CURFON? 31 March 1662 William CURTON married Ann MATHON 5 October 1663 1881 Census Hartney Wintney Workhouse. Samuel BARTHOLOMEW U 59 M Inmate Farm Labourer Rotherwick, Hampshire Jane BARTHOLOMEW married Jasper CUNNINGHAM 12 March 1781 East Woodhay Mary BARTHOLOMEW married Joseph PEARCE 8 January 1792 Newtown, Hants Kind regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants. UK BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk List Admin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Adams" <betkimadams@yahoo.co.uk> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-KINGSCLERE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 2:39 PM Subject: [King] BARTHOLEMEW > Can anyone help with this ? > > Looking for this family in the 1841 census > > William Bartholemew married Mary Ralph in 1828 at Bramshott > They baptised William 1828/Jane 1834/Henry and John 1838 at > Bramshott (Hampshire Bapt Index) > > They emigrated to Aus in 1844 but I cannot see them on the 1841 > census anywhere although I do find this census difficult to read ! > > Elizabeth > > > > > > --------------------------------------- >>From Kingsclere. ALL SURNAMES IN CAPITAL LETTERS PLEASE. > --------------------------------------- > If you get unsubscribed and did not ask to be unsubscribed, please > email eng-hampshire-kingsclere-admin@rootsweb.com > --------------------------------------- > Make sure your Anti Virus Protection is updated and do a weekly > backup of your files. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-HAMPSHIRE-KINGSCLERE-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.60/2311 - Release Date: 08/18/09 06:03:00

I have just been investigating a trial in Reading in which one of my ancestors was involved, he was found not guilty. There were eight men charged, as below:- Stephen Smith,23, Charles Smith,19, James Hutchins,22, David Hutchins,27, James Blackney,34, Henry Rabbits,21, Henry Clarke, 25, and Charles Smith,19. All the accused appear to be from Kingsclere area, most from Ashford Hill. I think I have identified the first six, they are all on John Lewis's site, the first two Smiths are brothers. The last two I cannot identify with certainty. In addition there are various witnesses mentioned, probably the most significant is Eli Butler, brother in law to Stephen & Charles Smith. Brothers George & Charles Cotterell are also mentioned. The poaching occured in December 1862 at Corbyn's wood, Bucklebury. Four of the accused were found guilty, Stephen Smith,23, Charles Smith,19, Henry Rabbits,21 & Henry Clarke, 25. If anybody is interested I have copies of report from Berkshire Chronicle or a word document with transcript of report, subject to my typing errors.I will send them off list to anyone who contacts me. Gerald

Hi Elizabeth Are you certain that all the folk mentioned survived to emigrate? It would assist if some kind soul could check the Hampshire Burials for Bramshott as there are a number of BARTHOL*MEW deaths on FreeBMD in Farnham Registration District [which covers Bramshott]. Also, were their ages recorded on the shipping list? Many enlightened Poor Law Unions helped finance assisted passages in those troubled times, so there could be mention of the family in Poor Law records. Sadly, I've found no trace of this particular family unit in 1841 Bramshott. William's occupation and address for the Bramshott baptisms might provide clues for his likely whereabouts. If an Ag Lab, so many were away from home pursuing seasonal work that summer it's likely to prove very difficult finding them. Dorothy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Adams" <betkimadams@yahoo.co.uk> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-KINGSCLERE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 2:39 PM Subject: [King] BARTHOLEMEW > > Can anyone help with this ? > > Looking for this family in the 1841 census > > William Bartholemew married Mary Ralph in 1828 at > Bramshott > They baptised William 1828/Jane 1834/Henry and John 1838 > at Bramshott (Hampshire Bapt Index) > > They emigrated to Aus in 1844 but I cannot see them on the > 1841 census anywhere although I do find this census > difficult to read ! > > Elizabeth > > > > > > --------------------------------------- >>From Kingsclere. ALL SURNAMES IN CAPITAL LETTERS PLEASE. > --------------------------------------- > If you get unsubscribed and did not ask to be > unsubscribed, please email > eng-hampshire-kingsclere-admin@rootsweb.com > --------------------------------------- > Make sure your Anti Virus Protection is updated and do a > weekly backup of your files. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-HAMPSHIRE-KINGSCLERE-request@rootsweb.com with the > word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message >

Hi, I, too, would be interested in this as some of the information I have on Arlott/Arletts does not totally match what John has on startx. I won't confuse the issue at the moment until John has had a chance to look. Yours Vicki ----- Original Message ----- From: "john lewis" <zen57162@zen.co.uk> To: <eng-hampshire-kingsclere@rootsweb.com> Cc: <eng-hampshire-kingsclere@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 9:18 PM Subject: Re: [King] Surname of ARLOTT & WATTS > On Sat, 22 Aug 2009 13:15:16 +0100 > Nigel St C Gerdes <nigel.gerdes@milnet.uk.net> wrote: > >> Tracing back On John's website the Arlott tree which contains Jane >> (aka Rose) Arlott b ca 1868 Tadley shows a David Arlott b ca 1811 at >> Aldermaston Berks with no further details. >> >> David married Louisa Harmsworth (b ca 1808, Brimpton) on 13 Nov 1833 >> Brimpton, Berks. I have not been able to identify the parents of >> Louisa >> >> They had Elizabeth ca 1835, Mary Ann ca 1836 -1862), Hannah ca 1838, >> Joseph ca 1841, Sarah ca 1843, and Jacob ca 1845. All born at >> Aldermaston. A nephew James May age 8 born Aldermaston is with them >> in the 1851 census at Aldermaston. >> >> Mary Ann Arlott b ca 1836 at Aldermaston married in 1859 John Boman >> b ca 1833. >> >> John Boman married again in 1864 to Elizabeth Sarah Carter b ca 1841. >> They had at least four children > > Thanks Nigel > > I'll follow up on that info next week (have family here this weekend) > > -- > John Lewis > Debian & the GeneWeb genealogical data server > --------------------------------------- >>From Kingsclere. ALL SURNAMES IN CAPITAL LETTERS PLEASE. > --------------------------------------- > If you get unsubscribed and did not ask to be unsubscribed, please email > eng-hampshire-kingsclere-admin@rootsweb.com > --------------------------------------- > Make sure your Anti Virus Protection is updated and do a weekly backup of > your files. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-HAMPSHIRE-KINGSCLERE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On Sat, 22 Aug 2009 13:15:16 +0100 Nigel St C Gerdes <nigel.gerdes@milnet.uk.net> wrote: > Tracing back On John's website the Arlott tree which contains Jane > (aka Rose) Arlott b ca 1868 Tadley shows a David Arlott b ca 1811 at > Aldermaston Berks with no further details. > > David married Louisa Harmsworth (b ca 1808, Brimpton) on 13 Nov 1833 > Brimpton, Berks. I have not been able to identify the parents of > Louisa > > They had Elizabeth ca 1835, Mary Ann ca 1836 -1862), Hannah ca 1838, > Joseph ca 1841, Sarah ca 1843, and Jacob ca 1845. All born at > Aldermaston. A nephew James May age 8 born Aldermaston is with them > in the 1851 census at Aldermaston. > > Mary Ann Arlott b ca 1836 at Aldermaston married in 1859 John Boman > b ca 1833. > > John Boman married again in 1864 to Elizabeth Sarah Carter b ca 1841. > They had at least four children Thanks Nigel I'll follow up on that info next week (have family here this weekend) -- John Lewis Debian & the GeneWeb genealogical data server

Tracing back On John's website the Arlott tree which contains Jane (aka Rose) Arlott b ca 1868 Tadley shows a David Arlott b ca 1811 at Aldermaston Berks with no further details. David married Louisa Harmsworth (b ca 1808, Brimpton) on 13 Nov 1833 Brimpton, Berks. I have not been able to identify the parents of Louisa They had Elizabeth ca 1835, Mary Ann ca 1836 -1862), Hannah ca 1838, Joseph ca 1841, Sarah ca 1843, and Jacob ca 1845. All born at Aldermaston. A nephew James May age 8 born Aldermaston is with them in the 1851 census at Aldermaston. Mary Ann Arlott b ca 1836 at Aldermaston married in 1859 John Boman b ca 1833. John Boman married again in 1864 to Elizabeth Sarah Carter b ca 1841. They had at least four children Regards, Nigel > On Sat, 22 Aug 2009 08:49:28 +0100 > > "Barbara Mallyon" <BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk> wrote: > > Hello All, > > > > Does this interest anyone. > > > > Her married name was Watts. Rose ARLOTT was born circa 1868 at > > Tadley, Hampshire England. She married Albert WATTS, son of Henry > > WATTS and Sarah HEAD, in 1892; their marriage was recorded at > > Chertsey, Surrey Record Office in the June quarter 1892. Rose ARLOTT > > appeared on the census of 31 March 1901 at Horsell, Surrey, as wife, > > age 31, birthplace Tadley, Hampshire. > > > > Family Albert WATTS b. 20 Jan 1867 > > Child Annie WATTS b. c 18931 > > I have Rose WATTS in my database as JANE, > Births Dec 1867: Haslett Rose, Kingsclere 2c 204 > > The 1871 Census has Rose age 3 born Tadley, although her name isn't > clear, with parents James & Susannah > > I have in the database James Arlott ca1829 and Susan THOMAS ca1837 > Croydon, Surrey. > > Marriages Sep 1855: HARLETT James & Thomas Susan, Croydon 2a 229 > > Census records consistently make James born ca1833 but the IGI has no > James born that year at Aldermaston, only the 1829 one. At least Census > records call him Arlott so easier to find than the FreeBMD surnames. > > > Albert Watts parents were Henry Watts ca1835 and Sarah Head ca1839 who > married Chertsey RD Mar Qtr 1860. both were born in Chobham, Surrey. > > The 1871 Census has Henry as a Farmer and Albert has an older brother > Albert age 9. Both boys born in Bisley, Surrey. > > Thanks Barbara, another marriage to add to the database and a correction > of name.

On Sat, 22 Aug 2009 08:49:28 +0100 "Barbara Mallyon" <BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk> wrote: > Hello All, > > Does this interest anyone. > > Her married name was Watts. Rose ARLOTT was born circa 1868 at > Tadley, Hampshire England. She married Albert WATTS, son of Henry > WATTS and Sarah HEAD, in 1892; their marriage was recorded at > Chertsey, Surrey Record Office in the June quarter 1892. Rose ARLOTT > appeared on the census of 31 March 1901 at Horsell, Surrey, as wife, > age 31, birthplace Tadley, Hampshire. > > Family Albert WATTS b. 20 Jan 1867 > Child Annie WATTS b. c 18931 I have Rose WATTS in my database as JANE, Births Dec 1867: Haslett Rose, Kingsclere 2c 204 The 1871 Census has Rose age 3 born Tadley, although her name isn't clear, with parents James & Susannah I have in the database James Arlott ca1829 and Susan THOMAS ca1837 Croydon, Surrey. Marriages Sep 1855: HARLETT James & Thomas Susan, Croydon 2a 229 Census records consistently make James born ca1833 but the IGI has no James born that year at Aldermaston, only the 1829 one. At least Census records call him Arlott so easier to find than the FreeBMD surnames. Albert Watts parents were Henry Watts ca1835 and Sarah Head ca1839 who married Chertsey RD Mar Qtr 1860. both were born in Chobham, Surrey. The 1871 Census has Henry as a Farmer and Albert has an older brother Albert age 9. Both boys born in Bisley, Surrey. Thanks Barbara, another marriage to add to the database and a correction of name. -- John Lewis Debian & the GeneWeb genealogical data server

Hello All, Does this interest anyone. Her married name was Watts. Rose ARLOTT was born circa 1868 at Tadley, Hampshire England. She married Albert WATTS, son of Henry WATTS and Sarah HEAD, in 1892; their marriage was recorded at Chertsey, Surrey Record Office in the June quarter 1892. Rose ARLOTT appeared on the census of 31 March 1901 at Horsell, Surrey, as wife, age 31, birthplace Tadley, Hampshire. Family Albert WATTS b. 20 Jan 1867 Child Annie WATTS b. c 18931 Kind regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants. UK BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk List Admin

Hello Everyone, If anyone is able to get to Basingstoke and has an interest, the Basingstoke Heritage Society have got an Open Day, this message sent to me and may be of interest to you. If you are interested please let me know and I can send you their Poster with more details, as an attachment. There are 10,000 people buried in the cemeteries from the 13th Century. Non conformist, small section for Quakers, Holy Ghost Church for Roman Catholics etc. Kind regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants. UK BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk List Admin Hello Barbara We are organising an open day under the English Heritage Scheme in the town's old cemetery at South View on Sunday 13 September from 10-4, which as you probably know also contains the remains of the 2 ancient chapels. We do have a database of burials here after about 1850 or so and although we cannot look references up on the day, we will take details in a book if people can come along. This burial ground was in use from the 13th century until about 1912 when the new cemetery in Worting Road opened. There are burials post that date in this cemetery. I hope you will be able to publicize this event to your members. Regards Debbie Reavell Secretary Basingstoke Heritage Society 25 Cromwell Road Basingstoke RG21 5NR 01256 473390 Email: reavell@btinternet.com

Hello again John, Many thanks indeed for your help. Will try that. Regards, Vanda

On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 06:36:57 EDT vandaadamson@aol.com wrote: > Thank you very much for your email. I would so like to look at the > picture gallery you have listed, and have tried the link in your > e-mail, but it isn't working for me. Is there any other route? > > When a usable on-line link appears in an email here it is in > underlined blue, but this has only appeared in black like the rest of > the text. > If you can point me in the right direction, I would be most > grateful, All best wishes, Vanda Hello Wanda The URL looks correct to me (shows up blue) and the link works Try typing that URL line into your browser instead of clicking on it, or go to the main page of the website at www.startx.co.uk/Kingsclere and navigating to the Gallery from there via the "Contents" button -- John Lewis Debian & the GeneWeb genealogical data server

Can anyone help with this ? Looking for this family in the 1841 census William Bartholemew married Mary Ralph in 1828 at Bramshott They baptised William 1828/Jane 1834/Henry and John 1838 at Bramshott (Hampshire Bapt Index) They emigrated to Aus in 1844 but I cannot see them on the 1841 census anywhere although I do find this census difficult to read ! Elizabeth

Hello John, Thank you very much for your email. I would so like to look at the picture gallery you have listed, and have tried the link in your e-mail, but it isn't working for me. Is there any other route? When a usable on-line link appears in an email here it is in underlined blue, but this has only appeared in black like the rest of the text. If you can point me in the right direction, I would be most grateful, All best wishes, Vanda

I have updated the Picture Gallery with 1. added an album "Wolverton" with collection of postcards annotated by Edward John Chiffince in the 1960s plus a couple more 2. added an album "Brimpton" with pictures of Blacknest Lodge 3. added pictures of mainly Soper and connected family members to the "People" album. these new pics have been sent me by John Keutgen with a promise of more to come. you can find the Gallery here: http://startx.co.uk/gallery2/main.php -- John Lewis Debian & the GeneWeb genealogical data server

Hello Ann, I am afraid you have got it all wrong, the chef does not chase the turkeys, he kills them with a well directed golf ball. Regards, Rod.

Thanks Barbara - will let you know. [ Conjures a wonderful comic mental picture of the Golf Club chef running down the fairway rounding up more turkeys............ ] Ann From: "Barbara Mallyon" <BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk> > It would help the chef and catering at the Golf Club if they knew what > people would like to eat, if we all want the Turkey, they may need to > get more Turkeys, and the same for the Dessert.

Hello Ann, It would help the chef and catering at the Golf Club if they knew what people would like to eat, if we all want the Turkey, they may need to get more Turkeys, and the same for the Dessert. The Golf Club also serve their members and anyone else who calls in for Sunday lunch. So please send me your menu choice by Monday the 28th of September, if not before. Many thanks. Kind regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants. UK BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk List Admin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann Sargeant" <ann.sargeant@ntlworld.com> To: "Kingsclere Mailing List" <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-KINGSCLERE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 11:43 AM Subject: [King] Fw: The Kingsclere 8th Anniversary Lunch Menu Hello Barbara Many thanks; as you know we have already booked our places. Are we safe in thinking that all choices from the set menu will be made on the day (in other words no need to let you know our choices in advance)? Ann

Hello Barbara Many thanks; as you know we have already booked our places. Are we safe in thinking that all choices from the set menu will be made on the day (in other words no need to let you know our choices in advance)? Ann From: "Barbara Mallyon" <BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk> The Kingsclere 8th Anniversary Lunch is to be held on Sunday the 4th October 2009, at the Cranfield Golf Academy, Sandfield Springs Golf Club, Kingsclere RG26 5RT, on the main A339 just outside of Kingsclere. We have a room to ourselves, we meet in the room at 12.30pm for 1pm Lunch, until 4pm. The Bar is just outside of the room, for you to purchase your drinks and wine to have with your Lunch. This is a set Lunch Menu at a cost of £16.50 inclusive.