Hi! Vicki Thanks for that I had spelt it wrongly. I'll look for the Frith Collection .My Randalls seem to be mixed up in & with the mill for more than one generation, Tobias Randall ,Humphrey Randall Alice Randall ,Joseph & John Randall its mentioned in a will I have., I had been thinking it was a flour mill. Once again thankyou Vicki Regards Beverley ----- Original Message ----- From: "historyresearch" <historyresearch@supanet.com> To: <eng-hampshire-kingsclere@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 8:38 PM Subject: Re: [King] Attn; John Lewis,Randall,ect > Hi Beverley, > If this was Eddington Mill, Hungerford, then it was a paper mill. A few of > my related people worked there at one time or another. The Mill House is > now Eddingtons Ltd, just off Eddington Hill. The Francis Frith Collection > has a photo taken in abt 1955 of it. > Put "Eddington Mill "in your browser and lots of sites come up, if you are > interested. > Yours > Vicki > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "beverley anne smith" <jm.ba.smith@talktalk.net> > To: <eng-hampshire-kingsclere@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 11:47 AM > Subject: [King] Attn; John Lewis,Randall,ect > > >> Good morning John >> With reference to my earlier e mail I now have tied up the Hungerford >> Randalls to the Kintbury Randall's going back to John Randall from >> Hungerford who m Mary Burton. 1st Sept 1748. >> Have copies of wills that now tie things up. The Hungerford Randall's and >> some of the early Randalls at Kintbury were Millers . There is a mention >> of Edlington Mill Hungerford hope I have spelt that correctly >> Regards Beverley >> --------------------------------------- >>>From Kingsclere. ALL SURNAMES IN CAPITAL LETTERS PLEASE. >> --------------------------------------- >> If you get unsubscribed and did not ask to be unsubscribed, please email >> eng-hampshire-kingsclere-admin@rootsweb.com >> --------------------------------------- >> Make sure your Anti Virus Protection is updated and do a weekly backup of >> your files. >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-HAMPSHIRE-KINGSCLERE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > --------------------------------------- >>From Kingsclere. ALL SURNAMES IN CAPITAL LETTERS PLEASE. > --------------------------------------- > If you get unsubscribed and did not ask to be unsubscribed, please email > eng-hampshire-kingsclere-admin@rootsweb.com > --------------------------------------- > Make sure your Anti Virus Protection is updated and do a weekly backup of > your files. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-HAMPSHIRE-KINGSCLERE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.82/2351 - Release Date: 09/07/09 06:40:00

Hello Robert, There is a Thomas POWER ca 1790 that married Sarah OLIVER 24 December 1810 Oakley, Hants on John's website, they had 7 children but no William. I have picked up the wrong Thomas POWER for William. Thanks for the correction I'll change William's mothers name to Mary LEWINGTON. Kind regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants. UK BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk -- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Powers" <northcote35@tiscali.co.uk> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-KINGSCLERE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 5:14 PM Subject: [King] Re; Fanny Powers > Hello Barbara> > > Small point. I see you have Fanny's father as William Powers the > son of > Thomas Powers and Sarah Oliver. My understanding is that William's > mother > was Mary Lewington b Sept 1789 Thatcham Berkshire. They were > married 01 Oct > 1809 in Newbury. Please put me right if I have it wrong.> > > Kind regards Robert Powers

Hi Beverley, If this was Eddington Mill, Hungerford, then it was a paper mill. A few of my related people worked there at one time or another. The Mill House is now Eddingtons Ltd, just off Eddington Hill. The Francis Frith Collection has a photo taken in abt 1955 of it. Put "Eddington Mill "in your browser and lots of sites come up, if you are interested. Yours Vicki ----- Original Message ----- From: "beverley anne smith" <jm.ba.smith@talktalk.net> To: <eng-hampshire-kingsclere@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 11:47 AM Subject: [King] Attn; John Lewis,Randall,ect > Good morning John > With reference to my earlier e mail I now have tied up the Hungerford > Randalls to the Kintbury Randall's going back to John Randall from > Hungerford who m Mary Burton. 1st Sept 1748. > Have copies of wills that now tie things up. The Hungerford Randall's and > some of the early Randalls at Kintbury were Millers . There is a mention > of Edlington Mill Hungerford hope I have spelt that correctly > Regards Beverley > --------------------------------------- >>From Kingsclere. ALL SURNAMES IN CAPITAL LETTERS PLEASE. > --------------------------------------- > If you get unsubscribed and did not ask to be unsubscribed, please email > eng-hampshire-kingsclere-admin@rootsweb.com > --------------------------------------- > Make sure your Anti Virus Protection is updated and do a weekly backup of > your files. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-HAMPSHIRE-KINGSCLERE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Barbara Small point. I see you have Fanny's father as William Powers the son of Thomas Powers and Sarah Oliver. My understanding is that William's mother was Mary Lewington b Sept 1789 Thatcham Berkshire. They were married 01 Oct 1809 in Newbury. Please put me right if I have it wrong. Kind regards Robert Powers

Good morning John With reference to my earlier e mail I now have tied up the Hungerford Randalls to the Kintbury Randall's going back to John Randall from Hungerford who m Mary Burton. 1st Sept 1748. Have copies of wills that now tie things up. The Hungerford Randall's and some of the early Randalls at Kintbury were Millers . There is a mention of Edlington Mill Hungerford hope I have spelt that correctly Regards Beverley

On Sun, 6 Sep 2009 21:03:38 +0100 Nigel St C Gerdes <nigel.gerdes@milnet.uk.net> wrote: > I was just following up the Holley siblings and saw the 1873 marriage > of Edward Holley and Martha Major on John's website. The witnesses > were John and Fanny Kewell. Now the witnesses can be placed in their > own family tree. > > John was, I believe, born ca 1844 (FreeBMD Kingsclere RD 4Q 1844 7 > 163) at Ecchinswell to John and Letitia Kewell nee Bridgeman. His > wife, Fanny Powers, he married in 1872 in Hungerford RD 3Q 2c 347. > Perhaps Fanny Powers was related to the William Powers who married > Sarah Holley. 1881 Census, North Farm Cottages, Sidmonton: John Kewell, head, 36, groom (dom), Ecchinswell Fanny -do-, wife, 26, , Kingsclere Fanny born ca1855 in Kingsclere was a daughter of William & Sarah Holley Thanks Nigel, yet another family linked -- John Lewis Debian & the GeneWeb genealogical data server

Good morning Re the attached I wonder if the Naomi Smith is in the Smith loop being discussed recently. Also a message for John Lewis I now have some more marriage details of James Hart who married Elizabeth Randall their daughter Ellen Hart married William Frederick Frost (John has this ) well I now have twon Frost daughter's marriages John do you want the details? Regards Beverley ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beverley Smith" <jobev56@tiscali.co.uk> To: <eng-hampshire-kingsclere@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 10:51 AM Subject: [King] Hillier/Hart/Pope > Good morning & Happy new year to all > I have a bit of a mystery a Fanny Hart sister of James Hart both born > Burghclere appears to have married at Kingsclere Dec quar 1871 .Fanny's > Mother Naomi Smith married first Thomas Hart then someone Pope and there > is a suggestion of another marriage for Naomi as well. > Fanny appears to have taken the Pope surname and married under same. This > is getting very confusing. > Could some kind person check the marriages for me . > Thankyou > Beverley Smith > ---------------------------------------- >>From Kingsclere.If you get unsubscribed and did not ask to be >>unsubscribed, please contact List Admin. >>ENG-HAMPSHIRE-KINGSCLERE-admin@rootsweb.com. > ---------------------------------------- > Changing your Email address, > Unsubscribe with your old address and Subscribe to the List with your new > email address. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-HAMPSHIRE-KINGSCLERE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.11/1201 - Release Date: > 28/12/2007 11:51 > >

Hello Nigel, Fanny POWERS is the daughter of William POWERS and Sarah HOLLY, Fanny married John KEWELL a brick layer. William and Sarah had 9 children. Williams parents are Thomas POWERS b1790 and Sarah OLIVER b1789 There is a William BRIDGMAN baptised 12 February 1858 living at Coldridge Farm, son of Stephen BRIDGMAN and Kezia FOSTER. William BRIDGMAN 23 Jul 1780 Kingsclere and Amy ALLAN b 4 July 1779 married 15 November 1798 St. Mary's Church Kingsclere My Note. A William BRIDGMAN & Elinor ALDRIDGE married 26 May 1792 Burghclere. Kind regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants. UK BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: Nigel St C Gerdes To: Barbara Mallyon ; eng-hampshire-kingsclere@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 9:03 PM Subject: Re: [King] Holley Family Hi all, I was just following up the Holley siblings and saw the 1873 marriage of Edward Holley and Martha Major on John's website. The witnesses were John and Fanny Kewell. Now the witnesses can be placed in their own family tree. John was, I believe, born ca 1844 (FreeBMD Kingsclere RD 4Q 1844 7 163) at Ecchinswell to John and Letitia Kewell nee Bridgeman. His wife, Fanny Powers, he married in 1872 in Hungerford RD 3Q 2c 347. Perhaps Fanny Powers was related to the William Powers who married Sarah Holley. It looks like John Kewell died in 1913 FreeBMD Kingsclere RD 1Q 2c 318 with a given age of 67 so it must have been his father who died in 1855 (FreeBMD Kingsclere RD 3Q 2c 121) . John has an 1855 burial so it does neatly fit together. The 1851 census shows John had a older brother Charles Kewell who had been born at Greenham, Berks ca 1836. His younger brother Henry we know married a Sarah , It looks like it could be Sarah Richardson in 1872 in Brentford RD. There is already a William Bridgeman = Alice Richardson marriage in 1806 at Newtown, Hants. Regards, Nigel Gerdes > Hello Bob, >

Hi all, I was just following up the Holley siblings and saw the 1873 marriage of Edward Holley and Martha Major on John's website. The witnesses were John and Fanny Kewell. Now the witnesses can be placed in their own family tree. John was, I believe, born ca 1844 (FreeBMD Kingsclere RD 4Q 1844 7 163) at Ecchinswell to John and Letitia Kewell nee Bridgeman. His wife, Fanny Powers, he married in 1872 in Hungerford RD 3Q 2c 347. Perhaps Fanny Powers was related to the William Powers who married Sarah Holley. It looks like John Kewell died in 1913 FreeBMD Kingsclere RD 1Q 2c 318 with a given age of 67 so it must have been his father who died in 1855 (FreeBMD Kingsclere RD 3Q 2c 121) . John has an 1855 burial so it does neatly fit together. The 1851 census shows John had a older brother Charles Kewell who had been born at Greenham, Berks ca 1836. His younger brother Henry we know married a Sarah , It looks like it could be Sarah Richardson in 1872 in Brentford RD. There is already a William Bridgeman = Alice Richardson marriage in 1806 at Newtown, Hants. Regards, Nigel Gerdes > Hello Bob, > > Thank you for your message, re HOLLY, HOLLY and even spelt as HOLY the > ancestors living in Wiltshire. > > >One family I have been working on past couple of days is George 1833 > >son > > of William & Mary who married Martha and baptised twin sons in > > Kingsclere (born in Islington). They had a second set of twins in > > 1869. > > I have got the first set of twins George William and Harry, but not > the second set of twins, also thanks for Martha's surname of HARRIS. > > Look forward to looking at your website with the further information > all very helpful. > > Kind regards > > Barbara Lewis Mallyon > Basingstoke, Hants. UK > BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Hutchins" <bob@bobhutchins.me.uk> > To: "Kingsclere Rootsweb" <eng-hampshire-kingsclere@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 11:05 AM > Subject: [King] Holley Family

Hello All, Found in Berkshire in the 1851 Census RALPH Joseph age 17 unmarried Ag Lab at North Farm. Census for Kinton WIGGENS George age 27 unmarried Ag Lab at Denford Farm, Census Kintbury FISHER James married age 34 Ag Lab at Clapton Census for Kintbury HAINES age 3 years at Clapton Census for Kintbury CHURCH Sarah married age 27 at Elcot Cottage Census Kintbury HEDGES Charlotte married age 47 at Wawcott Cottages Census Kintbury JEWELL James married age 66 Brickmaker Census Kintbury PEARSON Emma married age 26 Dressmaker Census Kintbury SMITH Charles married age 27 Ag Lab Census Kintbury GATER Charles age 10 years Ag Lab Census Kintbury (born East Woodhay) GATER Karenhappuch age 8 years schoolar Census Kintbury (born East Woodhay) TURTON William Widow age 86 Pauper Census Kintbury (born Ashmanworth) GATER Charlotte Widow age 63 Pauper Census Kintbury (born Ashmansworth) HOWELL Sarah Married age 60 Housekeeper Census Kintbury (born Wolverton) GODDARD Charles unmarried Shoemaker Census Kintbury GODDARD John age 14 Census Kintbury GODDARD Clara age 8 years schoolar Census Kintbury GODDARD Kate age 6 years schoolar Census Kintbury WHALE Sarah age 21 Kitchen Maid Census Kintbury BIRD Elizabeth age 68 Pauper Census Kintbury (born Ashmansworth) RALPH Charles age 20 unmarried Journeyman Shoemaker Census Kintbury BRAZIER Mary married age 21 Census Kintbury EVANS Emma age 7 years Census Kintbury CLARK Matilda unmarried Farmers daughter Census Kinbury (born Highclere) WHALE Henry married age 31 Farm Labourer, Cottage Fied Barn Census West Woodhay, Berks. (born East Woodhay Hants) BRIDGMAN Walter age 4 years Census Inkpen, Berks. (born Ecchinswell) GREEN Joseph age 4 years Census Inkpen SMITH David married age 52 Maltster master Census Inkpen (Ashmansworth) HATTON Charles married age 42 Blacksmith employing one boy Census Inkpen (born Ashmansworth) GODDING Eliza married age 31 Census Inkpen (born Ashmansworth) Regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants, UK BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk List Admin

Hello, Is anyone researching the Golding family? I have found a marriage link between Arthur Golding 1845-1907 and Rosetta Jones 1847-1908 daughter, Mary Jane 1881, and my Sellwoods of Newbury. There is also a possibility that Annie Golding who married Joshua Morton Sellwood in 1919 (2nd wife) is somehow also related. Yours Vicki

Thank you Dorothy and Barbara for your in put on my queery re this Baramshott family and the 1841 census. I now think that the family who emigrated to Aus in 1844 on the "Elizabeth " are not the same family,or they were telling some fibs !! I appreciate your taking the trouble to look for me. Elizabeth

Hi Maureen, No I don't have her in my SMITH lists. I think the proposal that she came from Basingstoke is highly likely but would mark it as only a possibility in case the association blocked a correct attribution later on. Regards, Nigel Gerdes > Hello Nigel > > Just noticed your interest in the Kingsclere Smiths. > I have never bothered to search for my grt grt grt Grandmother Charlotte > Smith born about 1787not sure where but married in Litchfield and lived in > Kingsclere with husband Richard Grigg. Any chance you may have her > somewhere amongst your Smiths? > > Cheers > Maureen Grigg > > > > ________________________________ > From: Nigel St C Gerdes <nigel.gerdes@milnet.uk.net> > To: eng-hampshire-kingsclere@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, 2 September, 2009 6:38:54 PM > Subject: Re: [King] Poaching at Bucklebury & trial at Reading February 1863 > > I too would be interested in the report. Like Chuck, I collect Kingsclere > Smiths since back to 1600 in Kingsclere they are my mother's family. > Stephen Smith is very interesting because I have an earlier Stephen Smith > of Newtown in my father's family tree and Stephen was not a common name. > Kingsclere had the highest numbers of Smith per 1000 population of anywhere > in England in the 1881 census. Baughurst is the hot spot for them. So > clearly they had been very well established in the area for a long time > and/or there is a lot of Romany blood since Smith was a popular choice of > surname. The heathlands attracted many Romany into the area. Chuck: Do you > have an estimated birth date for your William? Regards, Nigel Gerdes > > I would be interested in the report. Still trying to determine why or > > > how my gggf William smith from wilts married georgiena thorne from > > kingsclere. I figure there has to be family in the area. So I've been > > 'collecting' kingsclere smiths especially those near > > Ecchingswell. Some day I may find the link and get a clue to William > > smith's ancestors. > > > > Regards > > > > -chuck smith > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Sep 1, 2009, at 4:38 AM, Gbsoper49@aol.com wrote: > > > I have just been investigating a trial in Reading in which one of my > > > ancestors was involved, he was found not guilty. There were eight > > > men charged, > > > as below:- > > > > > > Stephen Smith,23, Charles Smith,19, James Hutchins,22, David > > > Hutchins,27, > > > James Blackney,34, Henry Rabbits,21, Henry Clarke, 25, and Charles > > > Smith,19. > > > > > > All the accused appear to be from Kingsclere area, most from > > > Ashford Hill. > > > I think I have identified the first six, they are all on John Lewis's > > > site, the first two Smiths are brothers. The last two I cannot > > > identify with > > > certainty. In addition there are various witnesses mentioned, > > > probably the > > > most significant is Eli Butler, brother in law to Stephen & Charles > > > Smith. > > > Brothers George & Charles Cotterell are also mentioned. > > > > > > The poaching occured in December 1862 at Corbyn's wood, Bucklebury. > > > > > > Four of the accused were found guilty, Stephen Smith,23, Charles > > > Smith,19, > > > Henry Rabbits,21 & Henry Clarke, 25. > > > > > > If anybody is interested I have copies of report from Berkshire > > > Chronicle > > > or a word document with transcript of report, subject to my typing > > > errors.I > > > will send them off list to anyone who contacts me. > > > > > > Gerald > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------- > > > > > >> From Kingsclere. 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Hello All, The Hampshire Record Office is holding a Family History Festival from 5th October to 28th November 2009, all are welcome, this is the website to look at www.hants.gov.uk/fhf this will give you the name of the events that are on, click on the name of the event to find out whether you have to pay or need to book. Some of the events are held at different Library's Tadley, Alton etc. Events across the county include An open afternoon at Hampshire Record Office – new visitors welcome An exciting Family History Fair in Winchester Discovery Centre Talks, courses and workshops for beginners Author talks, including Dr Nick Barratt Tracing Military Ancestors talks Dating or restoring old photos House history talks Exhibitions and many more Kind regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants. UK BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk List Admin

Hello Bob, Thank you for your message, re HOLLY, HOLLY and even spelt as HOLY the ancestors living in Wiltshire. >One family I have been working on past couple of days is George 1833 >son > of William & Mary who married Martha and baptised twin sons in > Kingsclere (born in Islington). They had a second set of twins in > 1869. I have got the first set of twins George William and Harry, but not the second set of twins, also thanks for Martha's surname of HARRIS. Look forward to looking at your website with the further information all very helpful. Kind regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants. UK BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Hutchins" <bob@bobhutchins.me.uk> To: "Kingsclere Rootsweb" <eng-hampshire-kingsclere@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 11:05 AM Subject: [King] Holley Family > Thought I would follow up on our messages from Genealogywise here, > in > case others are adding the different Holl[e]y branches. > > One family I have been working on past couple of days is George 1833 > son > of William & Mary who married martha and baptised twin sons in > Kingsclere (born in Islington). They had a second set of twins in > 1869. > > Today John Lewis found the other half of George's marriage in 1860 > Bermondsey, and he traced her family to Newbury (Martha Harris) she > herself was a twin with twin siblings so we are pretty sure it is > the > right person. > > I have added some marriages for their offspring which are on my site > and > will update John when I have done all I can find on them. > > Your offer of help will be greatly appreciated > > Bob> > Genealogy Web Database > http://www.bobhutchins.me.uk > > Bob recommends Linux Ubuntu 9.04

Hello Barbara Thought I would follow up on our messages from Genealogywise here, in case others are adding the different Holl[e]y branches. One family I have been working on past couple of days is George 1833 son of William & Mary who married martha and baptised twin sons in Kingsclere (born in Islington). They had a second set of twins in 1869. Today John Lewis found the other half of George's marriage in 1860 Bermondsey, and he traced her family to Newbury (Martha Harris) she herself was a twin with twin siblings so we are pretty sure it is the right person. I have added some marriages for their offspring which are on my site and will update John when I have done all I can find on them. Your offer of help will be greatly appreciated Bob -- Genealogy Web Database http://www.bobhutchins.me.uk Bob recommends Linux Ubuntu 9.04

On Wed, 2 Sep 2009 19:10:41 +0000 (GMT) MAUREEN GRIGG <maureen.grigg@btinternet.com> wrote: > Hello Nigel > > Just noticed your interest in the Kingsclere Smiths. > I have never bothered to search for my grt grt grt Grandmother > Charlotte Smith born about 1787not sure where but married in > Litchfield and lived in Kingsclere with husband Richard Grigg. Any > chance you may have her somewhere amongst your Smiths? Hello Maureen the Grigg family is on the website as you know but I only have Charlotte born ca 1787 I have just looked at Hants Bapt Index, which I didn't have when I first put her & Richard into the database, and I thought a good 'possible' would be the Charlotte baptised at Whitchurch on 31 May 1784 to Thomas & Sarah except neither of those two names appear in the names of descendants. The same applies to the Charlotte baptised in 1785 to John & Hannah or Charlotte baptised in 1788 to Samuel & Dinah - both at Hurstbourne Tarrant. Which leaves the Charlotte baseborn dau of Jane bapt 20 Aug 1786 at Basingstoke, 'from the workhouse'. A Jane Smith was born in Sherfield on Loddon in 1766 so right sort of age to be a mother in 1786, Her parents were Thomas & Elizabeth. The one born in Tufton in 1771 is a bit too young, but it is all a bit guesswork. I am inclined to go with the Basingstoke Charlotte if only because history repeated itself with her daughter Charlotte having a baseborn dau Jane in 1837 The 1841 Census does say Charlotte 'born in county' so I don't think we need to look outside Hampshire. -- John Lewis Debian & the GeneWeb genealogical data server

Thank you John I too feel that Charlotte SMITH baseborn dau of Jane SMITH bapt 20 Aug 1786 at Basingstoke, 'from the workhouse'.is probably mine as so many of my ancestors began and ended life in the workhouse.It feels right to me. Also the name Jane is repeated in her descendents. I have further info for the web site but will send off line. Cheers Maureen ________________________________ From: john lewis <zen57162@zen.co.uk> To: eng-hampshire-kingsclere@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, 2 September, 2009 9:51:04 PM Subject: Re: [King] SMITH family On Wed, 2 Sep 2009 19:10:41 +0000 (GMT) MAUREEN GRIGG <maureen.grigg@btinternet.com> wrote: > Hello Nigel > > Just noticed your interest in the Kingsclere Smiths. > I have never bothered to search for my grt grt grt Grandmother > Charlotte Smith born about 1787not sure where but married in > Litchfield and lived in Kingsclere with husband Richard Grigg.. Any > chance you may have her somewhere amongst your Smiths? Hello Maureen the Grigg family is on the website as you know but I only have Charlotte born ca 1787 I have just looked at Hants Bapt Index, which I didn't have when I first put her & Richard into the database, and I thought a good 'possible' would be the Charlotte baptised at Whitchurch on 31 May 1784 to Thomas & Sarah except neither of those two names appear in the names of descendants. The same applies to the Charlotte baptised in 1785 to John & Hannah or Charlotte baptised in 1788 to Samuel & Dinah - both at Hurstbourne Tarrant. Which leaves the Charlotte baseborn dau of Jane bapt 20 Aug 1786 at Basingstoke, 'from the workhouse'. A Jane Smith was born in Sherfield on Loddon in 1766 so right sort of age to be a mother in 1786, Her parents were Thomas & Elizabeth. The one born in Tufton in 1771 is a bit too young, but it is all a bit guesswork.. I am inclined to go with the Basingstoke Charlotte if only because history repeated itself with her daughter Charlotte having a baseborn dau Jane in 1837 The 1841 Census does say Charlotte 'born in county' so I don't think we need to look outside Hampshire. -- John Lewis Debian & the GeneWeb genealogical data server --------------------------------------- >From Kingsclere. ALL SURNAMES IN CAPITAL LETTERS PLEASE. --------------------------------------- If you get unsubscribed and did not ask to be unsubscribed, please email eng-hampshire-kingsclere-admin@rootsweb.com --------------------------------------- Make sure your Anti Virus Protection is updated and do a weekly backup of your files. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HAMPSHIRE-KINGSCLERE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Nigel Just noticed your interest in the Kingsclere Smiths. I have never bothered to search for my grt grt grt Grandmother Charlotte Smith born about 1787not sure where but married in Litchfield and lived in Kingsclere with husband Richard Grigg. Any chance you may have her somewhere amongst your Smiths? Cheers Maureen Grigg ________________________________ From: Nigel St C Gerdes <nigel.gerdes@milnet.uk.net> To: eng-hampshire-kingsclere@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, 2 September, 2009 6:38:54 PM Subject: Re: [King] Poaching at Bucklebury & trial at Reading February 1863 I too would be interested in the report. Like Chuck, I collect Kingsclere Smiths since back to 1600 in Kingsclere they are my mother's family. Stephen Smith is very interesting because I have an earlier Stephen Smith of Newtown in my father's family tree and Stephen was not a common name. Kingsclere had the highest numbers of Smith per 1000 population of anywhere in England in the 1881 census. Baughurst is the hot spot for them. So clearly they had been very well established in the area for a long time and/or there is a lot of Romany blood since Smith was a popular choice of surname. The heathlands attracted many Romany into the area. Chuck: Do you have an estimated birth date for your William? Regards, Nigel Gerdes > I would be interested in the report. Still trying to determine why or > how my gggf William smith from wilts married georgiena thorne from > kingsclere. I figure there has to be family in the area. So I've been > 'collecting' kingsclere smiths especially those near > Ecchingswell. Some day I may find the link and get a clue to William > smith's ancestors. > > Regards > > -chuck smith > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 1, 2009, at 4:38 AM, Gbsoper49@aol.com wrote: > > I have just been investigating a trial in Reading in which one of my > > ancestors was involved, he was found not guilty. There were eight > > men charged, > > as below:- > > > > Stephen Smith,23, Charles Smith,19, James Hutchins,22, David > > Hutchins,27, > > James Blackney,34, Henry Rabbits,21, Henry Clarke, 25, and Charles > > Smith,19. > > > > All the accused appear to be from Kingsclere area, most from > > Ashford Hill. > > I think I have identified the first six, they are all on John Lewis's > > site, the first two Smiths are brothers. The last two I cannot > > identify with > > certainty. In addition there are various witnesses mentioned, > > probably the > > most significant is Eli Butler, brother in law to Stephen & Charles > > Smith. > > Brothers George & Charles Cotterell are also mentioned. > > > > The poaching occured in December 1862 at Corbyn's wood, Bucklebury. > > > > Four of the accused were found guilty, Stephen Smith,23, Charles > > Smith,19, > > Henry Rabbits,21 & Henry Clarke, 25. > > > > If anybody is interested I have copies of report from Berkshire > > Chronicle > > or a word document with transcript of report, subject to my typing > > errors.I > > will send them off list to anyone who contacts me. > > > > Gerald > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------- > > > >> From Kingsclere. ALL SURNAMES IN CAPITAL LETTERS PLEASE. > > > > --------------------------------------- > > If you get unsubscribed and did not ask to be unsubscribed, please > > email eng-hampshire-kingsclere-admin@rootsweb.com > > --------------------------------------- > > Make sure your Anti Virus Protection is updated and do a weekly > > backup of your files. > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ENG-HAMPSHIRE-KINGSCLERE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > --------------------------------------- > > >From Kingsclere. ALL SURNAMES IN CAPITAL LETTERS PLEASE. > > --------------------------------------- > If you get unsubscribed and did not ask to be unsubscribed, please email > eng-hampshire-kingsclere-admin@rootsweb.com > --------------------------------------- > Make sure your Anti Virus Protection is updated and do a weekly backup of > your files. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-HAMPSHIRE-KINGSCLERE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------------- >From Kingsclere. ALL SURNAMES IN CAPITAL LETTERS PLEASE. --------------------------------------- If you get unsubscribed and did not ask to be unsubscribed, please email eng-hampshire-kingsclere-admin@rootsweb.com --------------------------------------- Make sure your Anti Virus Protection is updated and do a weekly backup of your files. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HAMPSHIRE-KINGSCLERE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I too would be interested in the report. Like Chuck, I collect Kingsclere Smiths since back to 1600 in Kingsclere they are my mother's family. Stephen Smith is very interesting because I have an earlier Stephen Smith of Newtown in my father's family tree and Stephen was not a common name. Kingsclere had the highest numbers of Smith per 1000 population of anywhere in England in the 1881 census. Baughurst is the hot spot for them. So clearly they had been very well established in the area for a long time and/or there is a lot of Romany blood since Smith was a popular choice of surname. The heathlands attracted many Romany into the area. Chuck: Do you have an estimated birth date for your William? Regards, Nigel Gerdes > I would be interested in the report. Still trying to determine why or > how my gggf William smith from wilts married georgiena thorne from > kingsclere. I figure there has to be family in the area. So I've been > 'collecting' kingsclere smiths especially those near > Ecchingswell. Some day I may find the link and get a clue to William > smith's ancestors. > > Regards > > -chuck smith > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 1, 2009, at 4:38 AM, Gbsoper49@aol.com wrote: > > I have just been investigating a trial in Reading in which one of my > > ancestors was involved, he was found not guilty. There were eight > > men charged, > > as below:- > > > > Stephen Smith,23, Charles Smith,19, James Hutchins,22, David > > Hutchins,27, > > James Blackney,34, Henry Rabbits,21, Henry Clarke, 25, and Charles > > Smith,19. > > > > All the accused appear to be from Kingsclere area, most from > > Ashford Hill. > > I think I have identified the first six, they are all on John Lewis's > > site, the first two Smiths are brothers. The last two I cannot > > identify with > > certainty. In addition there are various witnesses mentioned, > > probably the > > most significant is Eli Butler, brother in law to Stephen & Charles > > Smith. > > Brothers George & Charles Cotterell are also mentioned. > > > > The poaching occured in December 1862 at Corbyn's wood, Bucklebury. > > > > Four of the accused were found guilty, Stephen Smith,23, Charles > > Smith,19, > > Henry Rabbits,21 & Henry Clarke, 25. > > > > If anybody is interested I have copies of report from Berkshire > > Chronicle > > or a word document with transcript of report, subject to my typing > > errors.I > > will send them off list to anyone who contacts me. > > > > Gerald > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------- > > > >> From Kingsclere. ALL SURNAMES IN CAPITAL LETTERS PLEASE. > > > > --------------------------------------- > > If you get unsubscribed and did not ask to be unsubscribed, please > > email eng-hampshire-kingsclere-admin@rootsweb.com > > --------------------------------------- > > Make sure your Anti Virus Protection is updated and do a weekly > > backup of your files. > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ENG-HAMPSHIRE-KINGSCLERE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > --------------------------------------- > > >From Kingsclere. ALL SURNAMES IN CAPITAL LETTERS PLEASE. > > --------------------------------------- > If you get unsubscribed and did not ask to be unsubscribed, please email > eng-hampshire-kingsclere-admin@rootsweb.com > --------------------------------------- > Make sure your Anti Virus Protection is updated and do a weekly backup of > your files. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-HAMPSHIRE-KINGSCLERE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message