Hi Sara I am so grateful to you for doing all this work, I must admit that I have never looked into voter's lists, but this is amazing and gives me a really good idea as to how long he lived. It won't take much searching past 1960 of the GRO indexes. I really appreciate you checking this out for me further. A friend checked me the 1891 census, as I had an idea to find Albert's mother on it before she was married in 1897, just in case she had her son before her marriage and he was with her. The result was far better than expected. She was the head of the household, as a widow, Mary Gordon, living with her son, Albert Gordon, and her father and brother, Henry & Louis LUDWIG. She actually was a spinster in 1897 when she married so presume she adopted the GORDON surname for 'appearances' in the 1891. (I can't find a GORDON/LUDWIG marriage anyway) This census also gave me an idea when Albert was born, which was 1882, which means that you were spot on when you said he was coming up for 70 in 1952. He can't have lived much beyond 80 or 90! So this certainly narrows the searching down immensely. I will be able to go to the Derby Local Studies Library tomorrow as they have the GRO indexes and it won't take long to check through 10 to 15 years. He would have been about 78 in 1960. I will let you know. You have also given me his wife and son's name and I will also check out his marriage. I think the deaths in the late 60's started giving a date of birth, I found one the other week in 1969 anyway. I have sent for 2 birth certs, one for an Albert Edward Gordon and one for an Albert Edward Ludwig, and I think it was the Ludwig one, but will have to wait and see. This will also help me confirm his birth & death being one and the same if I get the right certificate If I can return the favour and do any look ups for you in Derby or Nottinghamshire then please let me know. Very many thanks again for all this information, your time is greatly appreciated. Best wishes Ally ----- Original Message ----- From: "sbolt" <sbolt@beeb.net> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 9:04 PM Subject: [ENG-HANTS] Re: A E GORDON 37 The Polygon - Directory look up > Hi, Ally, > > I've looked at some Kelly's Directories for you, and in some of them, an > Albert Edward Gordon was not shown in the private residents list as being > at > the address, but in the street-by-street section he was shown as being at > "37 The Polygon. Aparts" - presumably that stood for "apartments" so > might > support it being a guest-house? I looked from 1932/3 up to 1938/9, and he > was listed there - there is then a gap as the Kellys weren't printed > during > the war, but in the next one, for 1948/9, a Leonard Gordon (his son?) is > resident, but the word "aparts" is no longer included. > > I also looked at some of the voters' lists. For 1939/40, Albert Edward > Gordon is listed at 37 The Polygon (with a letter "J" by his name, > indicating he qualified to be called for jury service) with Lilian Ada > Gordon and Leonard Francis Gordon (and others of a different surname - > tenants in the "apartments"?) - wife and son? The next one is 1946/7 = > the > same three Gordons, right through to 1959/60 (with various others who > might > have been tenants), when for thre first time they were shown as living in > the "top flat". I ran out of time then, I'm afraid, so couldn't check any > later voters' lists to see when Albert Edward "disappeared". > > However, the last time a "J" for jury service appeared by his name was in > the 1952/3 list, which suggests he was about to be 70, as that is the age > at > which a person can no longer sit on a jury (unless the age limit was > different then - I didn't have time to check, as the library was about to > close). > > Hope that helps with narrowing down when he might have died. You could > try > e-mailing the Special Collections Library at Southampton to see if they > would check the voters lists after 1959/60 for you. If they can, and you > get a possible year of death, if you then check the GRO indexes, some of > the > later death entries will give a date of birth rather than the age at > death, > but I'm afraid I can't remember offhand when that began. > > Good luck with your search! > > Best wishes, > > Sara > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ally kingman" <ally.kingman@ntlworld.com> > To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 11:02 PM > Subject: A E GORDON 37 The Polygon - Directory look up > > >> Hi everyone >> >> I have had a death certificate this morning for Mary DONOGHUE, and it was > registered by her son, A E GORDON of 37 The Polygon, Southampton. >> >> [A bit of a mystery as I wasn't aware that Mary had a son, and also the > fact that it's a puzzle as to why his surname is GORDON, Mary's maiden > name > was LUDWIG, and she was a spinster at her marriage in 1897.] >> >> Does anyone have access to any directories after 1930 to see if A E >> GORDON > is still in Southampton. I am trying to find a clue when he died, to try > and > find his birth. There are quite a few Albert Edward Gordon's (Can't find > any > A E Ludwig's, as he could have been born before Mary's marriage between > 1880 > and 1897, or after 1901 when she was a widow. I would have thought more > likely before her marriage as she was over 40 in 1901 when her husband > died. > Still doesn't explain his surname unless he was adopted??) >> >> A google search for 37 The Polygon brings up Abbey Lodge, a guesthouse >> now > at 37 The Polygon. Does anyone know if this has always been a guesthouse > or > was it a private house in 1930. Historicaldirectories online doesn't > appear > to have directories after the 1910's. >> >> I would be very grateful for any help or suggestions. >> >> Many thanks. >> >> Ally (Derby) >> >> ______________________________ > > > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. 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