Hi, I have a problem with this gr x2, grandfather. His last child was born in Fareham in March, 1851. For some reason this family never seem to have registered their children's births. I have not yet seen the 1851 census, but from the Index data I have been supplied, he is not listed. I'm waiting to see if his wife is listed as a widow. The child had not eve been given a name at the time of the census it would appear, and was under one month old. I know he was an agent for the South Western Railway, and several of his children also worked for that company. If he fathered that last child, he presumably was still around in 1850. The only death I can find so far is for a Vitruvious John GARDINER, who's death was registered at Sth. Stoneham 3rd qtr 1850. (Which I believe from something I read recently, was the former name of Southampton.) So....can one of you experts on the Hampshire area tell me if someone who was seriously ill, would have possibly gone to a hospital in Sth Stoneham/Southampton, and died there? That could explain a death away from Fareham. Oh, it is also perhaps significant, that it appears that two of his children were not with their mother at the time of the census. (Different Folio number) My only visits to Hampshire have been when I was sent to Lee-on-Solent by His Majesties Royal Navy. The first time supposedly to join a draft to Malta, and the second time for my demob! Didn't get much time to look around on either visit, although I was part of a Shore Patrol in "Pompie" during the first visit! I'm looking forward to some answers from the locals. Thanks, Dave in Quebec.

Re South Stoneham: This is first, a large ecclesiastical parish on the north and east borders of the town of Southampton. During the 19C it was broken up into a number of smaller parishes, some, but not all, of which were incorporated into the town of Southampton in the early 20C. The original parish church of South Stoneham still stands, St Mary's in the suburb of Swaythling. Secondly, it is the name of a Registration District, extending around the landward boundary of Southampton from northwest to southeast. It included not only the original parish if South Stoneham, but also parishes to the north and west, such as Chilworth, Shirley, and Millbrook. Southampton and South Stoneham registration districts were merged around 1920. It can be important to appreciate the significance between ecclesiastical place names (parish registers etc) and civil ones (BMD registration and censuses). Cheers, Dave Jacobs ================ At 22:35 24/09/2005, you wrote: >Hi, > >I have a problem with this gr x2, grandfather. His last child was born in >Fareham in March, 1851. For some reason this family never seem to have >registered their children's births. I have not yet seen the 1851 census, >but from the Index data I have been supplied, he is not listed. I'm >waiting to see if his wife is listed as a widow. >The child had not eve been given a name at the time of the census it would >appear, and was under one month old. > >I know he was an agent for the South Western Railway, and several of his >children also worked for that company. If he fathered that last child, he >presumably was still around in 1850. The only death I can find so far is >for a Vitruvious John GARDINER, who's death was registered at Sth. >Stoneham 3rd qtr 1850. (Which I believe from something I read recently, >was the former name of Southampton.) >So....can one of you experts on the Hampshire area tell me if someone who >was seriously ill, would have possibly gone to a hospital in Sth >Stoneham/Southampton, and died there? That could explain a death away from >Fareham. Oh, it is also perhaps significant, that it appears that two of >his children were not with their mother at the time of the census. >(Different Folio number) > >My only visits to Hampshire have been when I was sent to Lee-on-Solent by >His Majesties Royal Navy. The first time supposedly to join a draft to >Malta, and the second time for my demob! Didn't get much time to look >around on either visit, although I was part of a Shore Patrol in "Pompie" >during the first visit! > >I'm looking forward to some answers from the locals. > >Thanks, Dave in Quebec. > > >============================== >Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > " Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it. -Mark Twain, author and humorist (1835-1910) Fashion is something barbarous, for it produces innovation without reason and imitation without benefit. -George Santayana, philosopher (1863-1952)