Hi Jean I just looked at the 1861 image, and it is the list of sailors etc based at the shore station of HMS Victory, Portsmouth Dockyard. Although the ship itself was still in existence (and it still is) it was in a permanent dock there. This base was used to hold men who were not at the time assigned to another ship. There is no reference to Anglesey in the image, although you are right that is it mentioned in the transcript. This is plainly wrong, and I can only think it is an error by the transcribers. Regarding his marriage, this from FreeBMD may be him: ---------- Marriages Sep 1855 ---------- Arstall John <http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi//cgi/districts.pl?r=16993704&d=bmd_1126009863>Stockport 8a <http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl?vol=8a&page=19&type=MARRIAGES&start=1855&sq=3&end=1855&eq=3&v=MTEyNzgxODU0NjoyOTE3ZTM5MmU2Yzc3NWM1NGZiNDFlY2MzNGM3NWI3NDc4MmNiMWUw&jsexec=1&mono=0&action=Find>19 <http://www2.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/information.pl?r=16993704&d=bmd_1126009863&scan=1> Scan available - click to view Bowker Thomas <http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi//cgi/districts.pl?r=16999447&d=bmd_1126009863>Stockport 8a <http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl?vol=8a&page=19&type=MARRIAGES&start=1855&sq=3&end=1855&eq=3&v=MTEyNzgxODU0NjoyOTE3ZTM5MmU2Yzc3NWM1NGZiNDFlY2MzNGM3NWI3NDc4MmNiMWUw&jsexec=1&mono=0&action=Find>19 <http://www2.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/information.pl?r=16999447&d=bmd_1126009863&scan=1> Scan available - click to view Ogden Sarah <http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi//cgi/districts.pl?r=17041520&d=bmd_1126009863>Stockport 8a <http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl?vol=8a&page=19&type=MARRIAGES&start=1855&sq=3&end=1855&eq=3&v=MTEyNzgxODU0NjoyOTE3ZTM5MmU2Yzc3NWM1NGZiNDFlY2MzNGM3NWI3NDc4MmNiMWUw&jsexec=1&mono=0&action=Find>19 <http://www2.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/information.pl?r=17041520&d=bmd_1126009863&scan=1> Scan available - click to view Platts Hannah Maria <http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi//cgi/districts.pl?r=17044788&d=bmd_1126009863>Stockport 8a <http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl?vol=8a&page=19&type=MARRIAGES&start=1855&sq=3&end=1855&eq=3&v=MTEyNzgxODU0NjoyOTE3ZTM5MmU2Yzc3NWM1NGZiNDFlY2MzNGM3NWI3NDc4MmNiMWUw&jsexec=1&mono=0&action=Find>19 <http://www2.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/information.pl?r=17044788&d=bmd_1126009863&scan=1> Scan available - click to view =========== Of course this may be some other John Arstall, and your man's marriage may not be on FreeBMD yet. To find out whether this John's bride was Sarah or Hannah, I looked for both in the 1861 census, but without success. She should be alive somewhere, or John would have been a widower. But the name Arstall strikes me as one that could easily be garbled by a transcriber or indexer. Cheers, Dave Jacobs ================ At 09:01 27/09/2005, you wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: jean flanagan >To: Kent >Cc: CHESHIRE-L >Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2005 3:21 PM >Subject: Royal Marine Infimary > > >Hi List, I'm hoping for some help to sort out my new found GGGreatuncle >John ARSTALL b.1825 Partington Cheshire. The info I have from the image is >as follows:- 1861 census in top margin is written ??? 'Firequeen' John >ARSTALL age 26 married occupation Private, Partington Cheshire. Reading >from the transcribed page as follows:- Town, Portsmouth Harbour, >Hampshire, England. further down page Registration District Anglesy, Sub >Registration Holyhead, vessel Victory. 1871 census he is a patient at >Melville Hospital and Royal Marine Infirmary district Medway town Chattam, >Kent, as Naval Pensioner. He died 1874 Medway Kent. I can't find his >marriage or his wife on census. Would be grateful for any help about the >above i.e. vessels, hospital, marriage, why two differant places on 1861 >transcribed page. Regards Jean > > >============================== >Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx " Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it. -Mark Twain, author and humorist (1835-1910) Fashion is something barbarous, for it produces innovation without reason and imitation without benefit. -George Santayana, philosopher (1863-1952)
There is also a John Arstall from Catishead Lancashire http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/ENG-LAN-WARRINGTON/2004-01/1074301420 and another reference to him and his wife Elizabeth who had three daughters Harriet b.1858 Margaret b. about 1863 Mary Ann b. about 1867 at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/ENG-LAN-WARRINGTON/2004-01/1074301420 The chap posting the message is after anyone with ARSTALL in the Cheshire area to contact him, so it may be worth an email to eliminate these. There is another page (the URL I have now lost!!) which gives the....... Common misspellings and typos for the surname Arstall Arsatll, Asrtall, Arstaall, Arstalll, Artall, Arrstall, Arstal, AArstall, Arstll, Astall, rstall, Arstlal, Artsall, rAstall, Arsall, Arsttall, Arsstall. And loads of other ARSTALLs at http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/ancestorsearchresults.asp?last_name=Arstall&standardize=N Again mostly Lancashire Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Jacobs" <dave@jacobs.net> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 3:02 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] Fw: Royal Marine Infimary > Hi Jean > > I just looked at the 1861 image, and it is the list of sailors etc based > at the shore station of HMS Victory, Portsmouth Dockyard. Although the > ship itself was still in existence (and it still is) it was in a permanent > dock there. This base was used to hold men who were not at the time > assigned to another ship. > > There is no reference to Anglesey in the image, although you are right > that is it mentioned in the transcript. This is plainly wrong, and I can > only think it is an error by the transcribers. > > Regarding his marriage, this from FreeBMD may be him: > > > ---------- > Marriages Sep 1855 > > ---------- > Arstall John > <http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi//cgi/districts.pl?r=16993704&d=bmd_1126009863>Stockport > 8a > <http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl?vol=8a&page=19&type=MARRIAGES&start=1855&sq=3&end=1855&eq=3&v=MTEyNzgxODU0NjoyOTE3ZTM5MmU2Yzc3NWM1NGZiNDFlY2MzNGM3NWI3NDc4MmNiMWUw&jsexec=1&mono=0&action=Find>19 > <http://www2.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/information.pl?r=16993704&d=bmd_1126009863&scan=1> > Scan available - click to view > > Bowker Thomas > <http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi//cgi/districts.pl?r=16999447&d=bmd_1126009863>Stockport > 8a > <http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl?vol=8a&page=19&type=MARRIAGES&start=1855&sq=3&end=1855&eq=3&v=MTEyNzgxODU0NjoyOTE3ZTM5MmU2Yzc3NWM1NGZiNDFlY2MzNGM3NWI3NDc4MmNiMWUw&jsexec=1&mono=0&action=Find>19 > <http://www2.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/information.pl?r=16999447&d=bmd_1126009863&scan=1> > Scan available - click to view > > Ogden Sarah > <http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi//cgi/districts.pl?r=17041520&d=bmd_1126009863>Stockport > 8a > <http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl?vol=8a&page=19&type=MARRIAGES&start=1855&sq=3&end=1855&eq=3&v=MTEyNzgxODU0NjoyOTE3ZTM5MmU2Yzc3NWM1NGZiNDFlY2MzNGM3NWI3NDc4MmNiMWUw&jsexec=1&mono=0&action=Find>19 > <http://www2.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/information.pl?r=17041520&d=bmd_1126009863&scan=1> > Scan available - click to view > > Platts Hannah Maria > <http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi//cgi/districts.pl?r=17044788&d=bmd_1126009863>Stockport > 8a > <http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl?vol=8a&page=19&type=MARRIAGES&start=1855&sq=3&end=1855&eq=3&v=MTEyNzgxODU0NjoyOTE3ZTM5MmU2Yzc3NWM1NGZiNDFlY2MzNGM3NWI3NDc4MmNiMWUw&jsexec=1&mono=0&action=Find>19 > <http://www2.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/information.pl?r=17044788&d=bmd_1126009863&scan=1> > Scan available - click to view > > =========== > > Of course this may be some other John Arstall, and your man's marriage may > not be on FreeBMD yet. > > To find out whether this John's bride was Sarah or Hannah, I looked for > both in the 1861 census, but without success. She should be alive > somewhere, or John would have been a widower. But the name Arstall > strikes me as one that could easily be garbled by a transcriber or > indexer. > > Cheers, Dave Jacobs > ================ > > At 09:01 27/09/2005, you wrote: > >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: jean flanagan >>To: Kent >>Cc: CHESHIRE-L >>Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2005 3:21 PM >>Subject: Royal Marine Infimary >> >> >>Hi List, I'm hoping for some help to sort out my new found GGGreatuncle >>John ARSTALL b.1825 Partington Cheshire. The info I have from the image is >>as follows:- 1861 census in top margin is written ??? 'Firequeen' John >>ARSTALL age 26 married occupation Private, Partington Cheshire. Reading >>from the transcribed page as follows:- Town, Portsmouth Harbour, >>Hampshire, England. further down page Registration District Anglesy, Sub >>Registration Holyhead, vessel Victory. 1871 census he is a patient at >>Melville Hospital and Royal Marine Infirmary district Medway town Chattam, >>Kent, as Naval Pensioner. He died 1874 Medway Kent. I can't find his >>marriage or his wife on census. Would be grateful for any help about the >>above i.e. vessels, hospital, marriage, why two differant places on 1861 >>transcribed page. Regards Jean >> >> >>============================== >>Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >>areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >>Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > " > Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are > putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it. -Mark Twain, author and > humorist (1835-1910) > > Fashion is something barbarous, for it produces innovation without reason > and imitation without benefit. -George Santayana, philosopher (1863-1952) > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >
Thank you doing follow up. Regards jean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris and Caroline" <chris@chayles.freeserve.co.uk> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] Fw: Royal Marine Infimary > There is also a John Arstall from Catishead Lancashire > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/ENG-LAN-WARRINGTON/2004-01/1074301420 > and another reference to him and his wife Elizabeth who had three daughters > Harriet b.1858 > Margaret b. about 1863 > Mary Ann b. about 1867 > at > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/ENG-LAN-WARRINGTON/2004-01/1074301420 > > The chap posting the message is after anyone with ARSTALL in the Cheshire > area to contact him, so it may be worth an email to eliminate these. > > There is another page (the URL I have now lost!!) which gives the....... > > Common misspellings and typos for the surname Arstall > Arsatll, Asrtall, Arstaall, Arstalll, Artall, Arrstall, Arstal, AArstall, > Arstll, Astall, rstall, Arstlal, Artsall, rAstall, Arsall, Arsttall, > Arsstall. > > And loads of other ARSTALLs at > http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/ancestorsearchresults.asp?last_name=Arstall&standardize=N > Again mostly Lancashire > > Chris > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Jacobs" <dave@jacobs.net> > To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 3:02 PM > Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] Fw: Royal Marine Infimary > > > > Hi Jean > > > > I just looked at the 1861 image, and it is the list of sailors etc based > > at the shore station of HMS Victory, Portsmouth Dockyard. Although the > > ship itself was still in existence (and it still is) it was in a permanent > > dock there. This base was used to hold men who were not at the time > > assigned to another ship. > > > > There is no reference to Anglesey in the image, although you are right > > that is it mentioned in the transcript. This is plainly wrong, and I can > > only think it is an error by the transcribers. > > > > Regarding his marriage, this from FreeBMD may be him: > > > > > > ---------- > > Marriages Sep 1855 > > > > ---------- > > Arstall John > > <http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi//cgi/districts.pl?r=16993704&d=bmd_11260098 63>Stockport > > 8a > > <http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl?vol=8a&page=19&type=MARRIAGES&sta rt=1855&sq=3&end=1855&eq=3&v=MTEyNzgxODU0NjoyOTE3ZTM5MmU2Yzc3NWM1NGZiNDFlY2M zNGM3NWI3NDc4MmNiMWUw&jsexec=1&mono=0&action=Find>19 > > <http://www2.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/information.pl?r=16993704&d=bmd_1126009863&s can=1> > > Scan available - click to view > > > > Bowker Thomas > > <http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi//cgi/districts.pl?r=16999447&d=bmd_11260098 63>Stockport > > 8a > > <http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl?vol=8a&page=19&type=MARRIAGES&sta rt=1855&sq=3&end=1855&eq=3&v=MTEyNzgxODU0NjoyOTE3ZTM5MmU2Yzc3NWM1NGZiNDFlY2M zNGM3NWI3NDc4MmNiMWUw&jsexec=1&mono=0&action=Find>19 > > <http://www2.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/information.pl?r=16999447&d=bmd_1126009863&s can=1> > > Scan available - click to view > > > > Ogden Sarah > > <http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi//cgi/districts.pl?r=17041520&d=bmd_11260098 63>Stockport > > 8a > > <http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl?vol=8a&page=19&type=MARRIAGES&sta rt=1855&sq=3&end=1855&eq=3&v=MTEyNzgxODU0NjoyOTE3ZTM5MmU2Yzc3NWM1NGZiNDFlY2M zNGM3NWI3NDc4MmNiMWUw&jsexec=1&mono=0&action=Find>19 > > <http://www2.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/information.pl?r=17041520&d=bmd_1126009863&s can=1> > > Scan available - click to view > > > > Platts Hannah Maria > > <http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi//cgi/districts.pl?r=17044788&d=bmd_11260098 63>Stockport > > 8a > > <http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl?vol=8a&page=19&type=MARRIAGES&sta rt=1855&sq=3&end=1855&eq=3&v=MTEyNzgxODU0NjoyOTE3ZTM5MmU2Yzc3NWM1NGZiNDFlY2M zNGM3NWI3NDc4MmNiMWUw&jsexec=1&mono=0&action=Find>19 > > <http://www2.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/information.pl?r=17044788&d=bmd_1126009863&s can=1> > > Scan available - click to view > > > > =========== > > > > Of course this may be some other John Arstall, and your man's marriage may > > not be on FreeBMD yet. > > > > To find out whether this John's bride was Sarah or Hannah, I looked for > > both in the 1861 census, but without success. She should be alive > > somewhere, or John would have been a widower. But the name Arstall > > strikes me as one that could easily be garbled by a transcriber or > > indexer. > > > > Cheers, Dave Jacobs > > ================ > > > > At 09:01 27/09/2005, you wrote: > > > >>----- Original Message ----- > >>From: jean flanagan > >>To: Kent > >>Cc: CHESHIRE-L > >>Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2005 3:21 PM > >>Subject: Royal Marine Infimary > >> > >> > >>Hi List, I'm hoping for some help to sort out my new found GGGreatuncle > >>John ARSTALL b.1825 Partington Cheshire. The info I have from the image is > >>as follows:- 1861 census in top margin is written ??? 'Firequeen' John > >>ARSTALL age 26 married occupation Private, Partington Cheshire. Reading > >>from the transcribed page as follows:- Town, Portsmouth Harbour, > >>Hampshire, England. further down page Registration District Anglesy, Sub > >>Registration Holyhead, vessel Victory. 1871 census he is a patient at > >>Melville Hospital and Royal Marine Infirmary district Medway town Chattam, > >>Kent, as Naval Pensioner. He died 1874 Medway Kent. I can't find his > >>marriage or his wife on census. Would be grateful for any help about the > >>above i.e. vessels, hospital, marriage, why two differant places on 1861 > >>transcribed page. Regards Jean > >> > >> > >>============================== > >>Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > >>areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > >>Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > " > > Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are > > putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it. -Mark Twain, author and > > humorist (1835-1910) > > > > Fashion is something barbarous, for it produces innovation without reason > > and imitation without benefit. -George Santayana, philosopher (1863-1952) > > > > ============================== > > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > > > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > >