on 9/6/05 10:21 am, pamelaj.groves at pamelaj.groves@ntlworld.com wrote: > My Husbands 2X Great Grandfather was John Groves he was a Shipwright. > His son James Henry Groves was married on May 5, 1878 to Elizabeth Catherine > Switzer. > They were married at The Parish Church, in Portsmouth Hampshire. > Both James and Elizabeth were living at Park Street, Portsea, Portsmouth at > the time of their marriage. > James Henry Groves put is age as 27 and a Bachelor. And Elizabeth Catherine > Switzer was 19 and a Spinster. > Elizabeth Switzers father was Henry Switzer a Seaman. > When most people get married and put their fathers Name and Occupation am I > correct that if both fathers were dead > the marriage certificate would usually say Deceased under their names? > When I received James Henry Groves marriage certificate I was quite shocked > that John Groves his father had a completely different Occupation than I > thought? James Henry Groves's father John Groves Occupation was a Shipwright > and not a Bricklayer like James Henry Groves. Hello Pamela. I don't know if this is your James Henry Groves but it's the closest I could get to a match. There were no James or James Henrys in 1861 that matched the details you gave . This one however is possible but is living with a step father. That may not rule him out as several of my ancestors gave their father's names on marriage certificates when the fathers had been dead for years. In the 1861 Census the Isle of Wight came under Hampshire 1861 Census Whippingham, Hampshire 21 Alfred Street Jeremiah Jacobs; Head; 45; b. Chale, Hants Mary A Jacobs; Wife; 38; b. Exmouth, Devon William Jacobs; Son; 17 or 19; Bricklayer; b. Newport, Hants Emily Jacobs; Dau; 13; Scholar; b. Newport, Hants Jeremiah Jacobs; Son; 9; Scholar; b. Newport, Hants Jane A Groves; Dau in Law; 14; Scholar; b. Cowes, Hants Henry Groves; Son in Law; 12; Scholar; b. Cowes, Hants Elizabeth Groves; Dau in Law; 8; Scholar; b. Cowes, Hants Eliza Groves; Dau in Law; 6; Scholar; b. Cowes, Hants There is a death of a John Groves on FreeBMD. Although he died in the June Quarter of 1854 Eliza (above) could still be his child. He could have died when Mary was pregnant and in the Census Eliza might have nearing her 7th Birthday Deaths Jun 1854 Groves  John    I of Wight  2b 307   ---------------------------------------------------------------- Here is Mary Ann's second marriage Marriages Dec 1858 Groves  Mary Ann    I.Wight  2b 884   JACOBS  Jeremiah    I.Wight  2b 884   ---------------------------------------------------------- I looked for John Groves Marriage and came up with this one but at the moment only his name is showing. If you try again in a week or two then you might find his bride Marriages Mar 1843 GROVES  John    Isle of Wight  8 339   Unfortunately the IGI doesn't have this marriage. Maybe now you have this information someone will be able to look John and his family up in the 1851 Census. With luck you'll find he was a shipwright. It looks as though James henry followed the trade of his step father. Good luck Dot Salisbury, Wilts

Hello Dot, Thank you so very much, I think it maybe my James Henry Groves in the 1861 census. As when James Henry Groves married Elizabeth Switzer one of the witnesses to their marriage was a Eliza Groves. It is just that for so long now I have thought that James Henry Groves known as Henry was the son of John Groves and Jane ? her maiden name could have been Young. I think I will be sending for James Henry Groves birth certificate now. So a big thank you for your help, I will also see if someone I know could look up the 1851 census for me to see if there is a John Groves Shipwright. Kind Regards Pamela ----- Original Message ----- From: <gulliver@gotadsl.co.uk> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] DO ANYONE KNOW OF A JOHN GROVES > on 9/6/05 10:21 am, pamelaj.groves at pamelaj.groves@ntlworld.com wrote: >> My Husbands 2X Great Grandfather was John Groves he was a Shipwright. >> His son James Henry Groves was married on May 5, 1878 to Elizabeth >> Catherine >> Switzer. >> They were married at The Parish Church, in Portsmouth Hampshire. >> Both James and Elizabeth were living at Park Street, Portsea, Portsmouth >> at >> the time of their marriage. >> James Henry Groves put is age as 27 and a Bachelor. And Elizabeth >> Catherine >> Switzer was 19 and a Spinster. >> Elizabeth Switzers father was Henry Switzer a Seaman. >> When most people get married and put their fathers Name and Occupation am >> I >> correct that if both fathers were dead >> the marriage certificate would usually say Deceased under their names? > >> When I received James Henry Groves marriage certificate I was quite >> shocked >> that John Groves his father had a completely different Occupation than I >> thought? James Henry Groves's father John Groves Occupation was a >> Shipwright >> and not a Bricklayer like James Henry Groves. > > Hello Pamela. I don't know if this is your James Henry Groves but it's the > closest I could get to a match. There were no James or James Henrys in > 1861 > that matched the details you gave . This one however is possible but is > living with a step father. That may not rule him out as several of my > ancestors gave their father's names on marriage certificates when the > fathers had been dead for years. In the 1861 Census the Isle of Wight came > under Hampshire > > 1861 Census Whippingham, Hampshire > 21 Alfred Street > Jeremiah Jacobs; Head; 45; b. Chale, Hants > Mary A Jacobs; Wife; 38; b. Exmouth, Devon > William Jacobs; Son; 17 or 19; Bricklayer; b. Newport, Hants > Emily Jacobs; Dau; 13; Scholar; b. Newport, Hants > Jeremiah Jacobs; Son; 9; Scholar; b. Newport, Hants > Jane A Groves; Dau in Law; 14; Scholar; b. Cowes, Hants > Henry Groves; Son in Law; 12; Scholar; b. Cowes, Hants > Elizabeth Groves; Dau in Law; 8; Scholar; b. Cowes, Hants > Eliza Groves; Dau in Law; 6; Scholar; b. Cowes, Hants > > There is a death of a John Groves on FreeBMD. Although he died in the June > Quarter of 1854 Eliza (above) could still be his child. He could have died > when Mary was pregnant and in the Census Eliza might have nearing her 7th > Birthday > > Deaths Jun 1854 > Groves John I of Wight 2b 307 > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Here is Mary Ann's second marriage > > Marriages Dec 1858 > Groves Mary Ann I.Wight 2b 884 > JACOBS Jeremiah I.Wight 2b 884 > ---------------------------------------------------------- > I looked for John Groves Marriage and came up with this one but at the > moment only his name is showing. If you try again in a week or two then > you > might find his bride > > Marriages Mar 1843 > GROVES John Isle of Wight 8 339 > > Unfortunately the IGI doesn't have this marriage. > > Maybe now you have this information someone will be able to look John and > his family up in the 1851 Census. With luck you'll find he was a > shipwright. > It looks as though James henry followed the trade of his step father. > > Good luck > Dot > Salisbury, Wilts > > > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >