Thanks again. An outstanding explanation of the situation. It is the first time I've seen anyone mention how the family were actually removed - my Adams with 4, and later, 5 children obviously required a biggish cart ! As you say, the scheme is not that far removed from the current system, apart from the fact that it did vary from parish to parish. Very interesting indeed. Hope this discussion has been of interest to others as well. Francis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Firebird" <sparrer@gmail.com> To: <eng-hampshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 10:27 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] Removal Orders - same people twice ! > Francis Payne wrote: > >> A few queries: >> >> How were they able to come back - did they need permission or just went >> anyway ? > > They just went. If they needed permission, it wouldn't have been > granted because they'd already been removed once. > >> How were removal orders physically enforced if people didn't want to go ? > > The family were put in a cart along with their possessions such as > they might have been and taken back to their own parish. It didn't > matter if they didn't want to go. There was a legal court order for > their removal. End of subject. > > If a family was a charge on the parish, then the overseers would have > paid their rent, paid for fuel for cooking and heating, paid for the > clothes on their backs, bedding, repairs to or new shoes and given > them an allowance for food, plus paid for any medical care necessary. > Over a year that could amount to a lot of money and the overseers > only had a limited amount to disperse, just what they could raise from > anyone liable for poor rates. > > Therefore they wouldn't want to pay for a family who had become a > charge to the parish if that family didn't belong to them. A family > could stay if their parish of origin was willing to pay for them and > sent the money to the parish where the family was resident. If the > parish of origin wasn't willing to do that, then out the family went. > >> Were people removed to their original parish ? > > Yes. Families who were not from their parish of residence were > examined before magistrates and any claims were checked. It could be > quite a costly business so it wouldn't have been undertaken lightly. > > I have seen one instance where the head of a family was temporarily > out of work and his parish of residence supported him even though he > was not from that parish. The head of the family was only in receipt > of parish relief for a couple of months before finding work again. > Sometimes the overseers would employ someone who would otherwise be on > parish relief. > > Reading the poor laws books gives a very good insight into what life > was like in a village. You'll find that the parish relief scheme was > not so very far removed from our modern unemployment scheme. In some > ways it was actually better than today's but it did vary from place to > place and from one set of appointed overseers to he next. > > > ............................................. > Want to contact the local community? > Please visit Hampshire Parish Jottings > http://hants.parishjottings.org.uk > ............................................. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-HAMPSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message