Hello Derek, My SMITH ancesters were from Essex and Hampshire, David SMITH born 1811 Essex Thirteen children; nine born in Essex and four born in Hampshire. He was a game keeper. Hope to hear from you, Patricia (Pat) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek R. Smith" <Derek@multnomah.demon.co.uk> To: <eng-hampshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 7:04 AM Subject: [ENG-HANTS] Alice Morley > Hi Claire, > I have checked the death indexes from 1956 to end of 1960 and can find > no Alice MORLEY anywhere with an age close to 41, nor any close to > Portsmouth in those years. > Is it possible that Alice was a middle name? > Sorry nothing more positive. > > Derek > ------------------------------------------- > > > Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 07:16:52 +1100 > From: "Claire Bennett-Claypole" <claypole@netspeed.com.au> > Subject: [ENG-HANTS] Death Reference: Alice Morley > > I am trying to order my grandmother's death certificate. I am good at > ordering the certificates (!) but not the right ones as her name, abode > and > age keeps changing. > > It now appears that she may have been living in Portsmouth at the time > of > her death. > > The details are: > > Name: Alice Morley nee French > Year: 1958 (approx), age approx 41 years > Place: Portsmouth (or maybe nearby) > > If SKS could look up the indexes I would be very grateful and maybe it > will > be 3rd time lucky! > > Claire > > (Canberra, Australia) > -- > Derek R. Smith. > > > > ............................................. > Want to contact the local community? > Please visit Hampshire Parish Jottings > http://hants.parishjottings.org.uk > ............................................. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-HAMPSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Claire. Have looked at the indexes from 1956 to 1960 and just don't see a likely entry. Sorry not to be more helpful - not sure where you go from here. Happy to look again if you have more clues (other names etc). Regards, Patsy - New Zealand Subject: [ENG-HANTS] Death Reference: Alice Morley > Hi > > I am trying to order my grandmother's death certificate. I am good at > ordering the certificates (!) but not the right ones as her name, abode > and > age keeps changing. > > It now appears that she may have been living in Portsmouth at the time of > her death. > > > The details are: > > Name: Alice Morley nee French > Year: 1958 (approx), age approx 41 years > Place: Portsmouth (or maybe nearby) > > > If SKS could look up the indexes I would be very grateful and maybe it > will > be 3rd time lucky! > > > Claire > > (Canberra, Australia) >

2008/11/3 Karen Lynn <karenalynn@gmail.com> > 2008/11/3 Chris & Caroline <crhayles@btinternet.com> > >> >> Can anyone enlighten me on there being a detention centre, maybe for >> offenders, in the Gosport area during the 1800s and 1900s. >> And where it would have been situated please. >> Many thanks in anticipation >> >> > Wasn't there a military detention centre at Haslar - long before it was > taken over by HMP to be a young offenders institute and then an immigration > removal centre? > I really must learn not to hit "Reply" until I've finished digging with Google! Apparently there was a Forton Military Prison. It had 244 inmates in the 1861 census ( http://www.visionofbritain.org.uk/descriptions/entry_page.jsp;jsessionid=8BE60A0E1A0E31F10D9B645B2A504A64?text_id=781370&word=NULL), and was also in use during the American Revolution, judging by the title of one of the articles quoted here: http://www.history.army.mil/reference/revbib/pows.htm Karen

2008/11/3 Chris & Caroline <crhayles@btinternet.com> > > Can anyone enlighten me on there being a detention centre, maybe for > offenders, in the Gosport area during the 1800s and 1900s. > And where it would have been situated please. > Many thanks in anticipation > > Wasn't there a military detention centre at Haslar - long before it was taken over by HMP to be a young offenders institute and then an immigration removal centre? Karen

Can anyone enlighten me on there being a detention centre, maybe for offenders, in the Gosport area during the 1800s and 1900s. And where it would have been situated please. Many thanks in anticipation Chris SOUTHERN LIFE(UK) History of the villages of Hampshire, Dorset and the Isle of Wight http://southernlife.org.uk

Hi Claire, I have checked the death indexes from 1956 to end of 1960 and can find no Alice MORLEY anywhere with an age close to 41, nor any close to Portsmouth in those years. Is it possible that Alice was a middle name? Sorry nothing more positive. Derek ------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 07:16:52 +1100 From: "Claire Bennett-Claypole" <claypole@netspeed.com.au> Subject: [ENG-HANTS] Death Reference: Alice Morley I am trying to order my grandmother's death certificate. I am good at ordering the certificates (!) but not the right ones as her name, abode and age keeps changing. It now appears that she may have been living in Portsmouth at the time of her death. The details are: Name: Alice Morley nee French Year: 1958 (approx), age approx 41 years Place: Portsmouth (or maybe nearby) If SKS could look up the indexes I would be very grateful and maybe it will be 3rd time lucky! Claire (Canberra, Australia) -- Derek R. Smith.

Hi I am trying to order my grandmother's death certificate. I am good at ordering the certificates (!) but not the right ones as her name, abode and age keeps changing. It now appears that she may have been living in Portsmouth at the time of her death. The details are: Name: Alice Morley nee French Year: 1958 (approx), age approx 41 years Place: Portsmouth (or maybe nearby) If SKS could look up the indexes I would be very grateful and maybe it will be 3rd time lucky! Claire (Canberra, Australia)

Can anyone enlighten me on there being a detention centre, maybe for offenders, in the Gosport area during the 1800s and 1900s. And where it would have been situated please. Many thanks in anticipation Chris SOUTHERN LIFE(UK) History of the villages of Hampshire, Dorset and the Isle of Wight http://southernlife.org.uk

Hello all Today we have uploaded as follows: FORDINGBRIDGE BAPTISMS - 1835 TO 1838 - TRANSCRIBED BY LIZ LANE FORDINGBRIDGE BURIALS 1813 TO 1821 - TRANSCRIBED BY LIZ LANE HURSLEY BURIALS 1713 TO 1742 TRANSCRIBED BY LAWRENCE DANIELL You can check on these and all of the other transcriptions FREE online at www.knightroots.co.uk and click on Online Transcriptions. We are always looking for donations of transcriptions or microfiche, village histories and photographs (must be your own copyright)or of course, volunteer transcribers. Contact hampshireopc@btinternet.com for details. To find an entry, either use the CTRL+Find on an individual parish page - or use the site search engine on the left hand navigation pane. Take care Linda & Tony Hampshire OPC Co-ordinators

Hi Adrian Could you check back. It was Nigel who made the unfavourable comments about the LDS site. I'm a BIG fan of the site, have used it for years and made the same points as Jon, if not quite so eloquently. I'd hate anyone to think that the comments made by Nigel came from me! Kate -----Original Message----- From: eng-hampshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-hampshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Martin Sent: 31 October 2008 18:33 To: eng-hampshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] PACK - Christchurch Jon I agree with your more measured response to Kate. Whenever there is a human being involved, there is always the possibility of error. Even original records are often wrongly spelt or written! Thank goodness the LDS Church (to which I belong) makes its vast collection of records available to family history researchers and gives FREE film/fiche copies to those organisations whose records it collects and archives! Efforts are being made to clean up the errors in the IGI. But even referring to original records may not always reveal the truth hence I have one Pretty family whose various siblings have the surnames Pritty, Prettey, Pretey. You tell me which is correct! Regards Adrian Martin (or is that Merton, Martyn, Martine, Martyne, Marton, Meriton.......) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Baker" <jon@vectisjon.com> To: <eng-hampshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 2:21 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] PACK - Christchurch > Nigel > Sweeping statement, thankfully inaccurate, otherwise all of the research > using this site would be worthless. Anyone using the LDS IGI site needs to > have a clear understanding of what they are looking at when they view the > records. There are indeed some appalling records in the database, wholly > inaccurate and misleading. However, by careful inspection of the record > one > can generally ascertain the relative accuracy. > > Any record with the note "Extracted marriage record for locality listed in > the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the > marriage [or baptism] date" and an Mnnnnnn Batch number (for marriages, B > for baptisms) are generally considered to be of very good quality and > usually as accurate as any transcription, often better than many. Of > course > reference to the original PR should always be made for any transcription. > > Any other record in the LDS IGI database should be considered suspect, > though in many cases they do prove to be accurate. You can tell this if > the > record says "Record submitted by a member of the LDS Church". Many are > transcribed from parish registers or Bishops Transcripts but not with as > much care as the original extractions, and many others are pure fantasy. > > Golden rule as always is check the original, but as transcripts go the > extracted records on the IGI are about as good as they get. > > Jon Baker > > Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] PACK - Christchurch > > I wouldn't trust these records, I have checked some of mine that I have > taken direct from Parish Records and theirs are wrong > > > > ............................................. > Want to contact the local community? > Please visit Hampshire Parish Jottings > http://hants.parishjottings.org.uk > ............................................. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-HAMPSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1758 - Release Date: 31/10/2008 08:22 ............................................. Want to contact the local community? Please visit Hampshire Parish Jottings http://hants.parishjottings.org.uk ............................................. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HAMPSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jon I agree with your more measured response to Kate. Whenever there is a human being involved, there is always the possibility of error. Even original records are often wrongly spelt or written! Thank goodness the LDS Church (to which I belong) makes its vast collection of records available to family history researchers and gives FREE film/fiche copies to those organisations whose records it collects and archives! Efforts are being made to clean up the errors in the IGI. But even referring to original records may not always reveal the truth hence I have one Pretty family whose various siblings have the surnames Pritty, Prettey, Pretey. You tell me which is correct! Regards Adrian Martin (or is that Merton, Martyn, Martine, Martyne, Marton, Meriton.......) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Baker" <jon@vectisjon.com> To: <eng-hampshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 2:21 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] PACK - Christchurch > Nigel > Sweeping statement, thankfully inaccurate, otherwise all of the research > using this site would be worthless. Anyone using the LDS IGI site needs to > have a clear understanding of what they are looking at when they view the > records. There are indeed some appalling records in the database, wholly > inaccurate and misleading. However, by careful inspection of the record > one > can generally ascertain the relative accuracy. > > Any record with the note "Extracted marriage record for locality listed in > the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the > marriage [or baptism] date" and an Mnnnnnn Batch number (for marriages, B > for baptisms) are generally considered to be of very good quality and > usually as accurate as any transcription, often better than many. Of > course > reference to the original PR should always be made for any transcription. > > Any other record in the LDS IGI database should be considered suspect, > though in many cases they do prove to be accurate. You can tell this if > the > record says "Record submitted by a member of the LDS Church". Many are > transcribed from parish registers or Bishops Transcripts but not with as > much care as the original extractions, and many others are pure fantasy. > > Golden rule as always is check the original, but as transcripts go the > extracted records on the IGI are about as good as they get. > > Jon Baker > > Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] PACK - Christchurch > > I wouldn't trust these records, I have checked some of mine that I have > taken direct from Parish Records and theirs are wrong > > > > ............................................. > Want to contact the local community? > Please visit Hampshire Parish Jottings > http://hants.parishjottings.org.uk > ............................................. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-HAMPSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1758 - Release Date: 31/10/2008 08:22

Nigel Sweeping statement, thankfully inaccurate, otherwise all of the research using this site would be worthless. Anyone using the LDS IGI site needs to have a clear understanding of what they are looking at when they view the records. There are indeed some appalling records in the database, wholly inaccurate and misleading. However, by careful inspection of the record one can generally ascertain the relative accuracy. Any record with the note "Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage [or baptism] date" and an Mnnnnnn Batch number (for marriages, B for baptisms) are generally considered to be of very good quality and usually as accurate as any transcription, often better than many. Of course reference to the original PR should always be made for any transcription. Any other record in the LDS IGI database should be considered suspect, though in many cases they do prove to be accurate. You can tell this if the record says "Record submitted by a member of the LDS Church". Many are transcribed from parish registers or Bishops Transcripts but not with as much care as the original extractions, and many others are pure fantasy. Golden rule as always is check the original, but as transcripts go the extracted records on the IGI are about as good as they get. Jon Baker Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] PACK - Christchurch I wouldn't trust these records, I have checked some of mine that I have taken direct from Parish Records and theirs are wrong

I'd quite agree if you are referring to records that are shown as having been 'submitted by a member of the LDS Church' in the MESSAGE: section. However, these are shown as 'Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record.' which tend to be far more reliable. Obviously any 'transcribed' record is open to error, so you should always try to check the original document. -----Original Message----- From: eng-hampshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-hampshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nigel Chalk Sent: 30 October 2008 13:42 To: eng-hampshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] PACK - Christchurch I wouldn't trust these records, I have checked some of mine that I have taken direct from Parish Records and theirs are wrong

I wouldn't trust these records, I have checked some of mine that I have taken direct from Parish Records and theirs are wrong ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kate Burhouse" <k.burhouse@btinternet.com> To: <eng-hampshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 8:22 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] PACK - Christchurch > Hi Peter > > You're in luck - it's on this site... > http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/frameset_search.asp > > Sarah's maiden name is NAISS. This is from a transcription rather than a > record placed by a member of the LDS. > > Kate > in sunny Devon, UK > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-hampshire-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-hampshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Peter L Goff > Sent: 29 October 2008 17:42 > To: ENG-HAMPSHIRE@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ENG-HANTS] PACK - Christchurch > > Hello Listers > > I'm new to your list and am researching the Pack family in Hampshire. > > The first request is whether anyone has access to PR's for Christchurch > marriages. I have a marriage of Joseph Pack and Sarah on 28 Sept 1819 at > Priory, Christchurch, Hampshire. I need to know the maiden name of Sarah > and whether Joseph was of the parish. Any other information would be > useful > > Regards > Peter G > > _______________________________________ > No viruses found in this outgoing message > Scanned by iolo AntiVirus 1.5.3.5 > http://www.iolo.com > > > ............................................. > Want to contact the local community? > Please visit Hampshire Parish Jottings > http://hants.parishjottings.org.uk > ............................................. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-HAMPSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ............................................. > Want to contact the local community? > Please visit Hampshire Parish Jottings > http://hants.parishjottings.org.uk > ............................................. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-HAMPSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Peter You're in luck - it's on this site... http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/frameset_search.asp Sarah's maiden name is NAISS. This is from a transcription rather than a record placed by a member of the LDS. Kate in sunny Devon, UK -----Original Message----- From: eng-hampshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-hampshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Peter L Goff Sent: 29 October 2008 17:42 To: ENG-HAMPSHIRE@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-HANTS] PACK - Christchurch Hello Listers I'm new to your list and am researching the Pack family in Hampshire. The first request is whether anyone has access to PR's for Christchurch marriages. I have a marriage of Joseph Pack and Sarah on 28 Sept 1819 at Priory, Christchurch, Hampshire. I need to know the maiden name of Sarah and whether Joseph was of the parish. Any other information would be useful Regards Peter G _______________________________________ No viruses found in this outgoing message Scanned by iolo AntiVirus 1.5.3.5 http://www.iolo.com ............................................. Want to contact the local community? Please visit Hampshire Parish Jottings http://hants.parishjottings.org.uk ............................................. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-HAMPSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Listers I'm new to your list and am researching the Pack family in Hampshire. The first request is whether anyone has access to PR's for Christchurch marriages. I have a marriage of Joseph Pack and Sarah on 28 Sept 1819 at Priory, Christchurch, Hampshire. I need to know the maiden name of Sarah and whether Joseph was of the parish. Any other information would be useful Regards Peter G _______________________________________ No viruses found in this outgoing message Scanned by iolo AntiVirus 1.5.3.5 http://www.iolo.com

Hello everyone, Not strictly Hampshire but wondered if anyone could help a German friend of mine (not the lady featured) cHRIS I have a request from a lady who was born in 1955 (on 14.04.1955 in Brake near Lemgo) to help find her Father or still living members of his family. She believes from her mother that he was born 24.04.1935, 1936 or 1937 but is unsure of this then her aunts suggest his birthday was celebrated later in the year "when the heather bloomed" which although four different heather blooms in the area, it is closer to the end of the year than to the spring, but the date she was told, is the 24th of April (and that in 1955 he was between 20 and 22) as that was the date that stuck in her mother's head. Her relatives before dying told her they remembered John being (according to her own Aunt's and Mother) Good looking, Tall, Thin and having dark curls. He spoke very good German and the family (at the time) did not speak any English. He was in the Royal Signals, an OWL or as she says radio operator (or related trade?) attached to the 1 ASSU and that he came from Torquay and that his parents had a Radio Shop in the town, which may be why he was in the Signals. However her searches have failed to find evidence of such a Radio Shop with that surname, so maybe it was a similar sounding place (like Torbay)? Any Ideas? When he found his German girlfriend was pregnant, he wanted to marry her and they met daily which he did even if it meant getting into trouble for going out of the camp when ordered not to do so, and wanted to arrange a marriage which the woman's parent's were not so keen on, even though the knew she was pregnant, then she was just 16 at that time, but the Camp O/C (or John himself?) may have also been against it. Then one day he failed to meet her mother outside the camp gates and she was told he had been posted and they lost all contact. All the other friends of his she knew clamped up, only saying he had been sent somewhere else to split them up and even later denying he had ever been there or that they knew him. The mother may have not gotten letters sent by John, as it is possible the parents intercepted and destroyed the post. Eventually she gave up hope, destroyed (out of frustration) all the photographs of John and them together, and got on with her life. She apparently never married, as no one would ever match her "Jonny" as she called him. (But says every second soldier had that nickname) The Daughter is now over 50, so she does not want to claim child support or anything, just know her roots and more about her Father who she has only ever heard (from her mother, her aunts, and grandparents) about in glowing terms. He is always in her mind, and although she has never met him, she loves him from just that she learnt from her mother about him, and wants to know more about him and what path his life took after winter 1954 to make her own life complete. She writes she does not want to cause anyone trouble, but needs to find closure on a life long mystery. She would like a picture of John, or to give him some of her and his grandchildren, etc. But would understand if he (or his existing relatives) do not want that chapter of his life to be reopened. However she had serious cancer five years ago, and nearly dying wanted to close this unfinished mystery of her own life and be able to pass the story of it to her grandchildren, including her four year old granddaughter who was also recently very ill and has a hole n the Kidney since birth. Does anyone here know of a John Randal, Rendel, Rendal, Randel who served in 1ASSU in 1954 (was posted away or sent home in December 1954?) as a Signalman or Lance/Jack? I will not pass any details on to her without the permission of John should he still be alive, but as she says, time is running out rapidly due to her age and of everyone on his family or friends side who may still be able to remember. I attach the Original text of the second letter I got from her, but leave out the too-personal bits she would not necessarily like broadcast on-line. All Help would be apreciated. This email was cleaned by emailStripper, available for free from http://www.papercut.biz/emailStripper.htm

Sorry folks I gave you some duff gen last night, then the form you need is not the SAR one but the "COK for the army" one (for ATS) Here the link to the page with the relevant details and pdf download for the form... For Army Relatives and "Army Certificate of Kinship" see this page... http://www.veterans-uk.info/service_records/army.html (Information) or this link http://www.veterans-uk.info/pdfs/service_records/army_kinship.pd f for the "ARMY Certificate of Kinship" Appologies for any inconvenience Chris SOUTHERN LIFE(UK) History of the villages of Hampshire, Dorset and the Isle of Wight http://southernlife.org.uk

Thank you David - I was surprised how many Gulley families lived in Somerset. Keep running into brick walls but thank you for getting back to me. kind regards Valerie ----- Original Message ----- From: "dubhda2" <david.dowd@btinternet.com> To: <eng-hampshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 4:40 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] Ruth GULLEY > Dear Valerie, > can't answer your immediate question but I was struck by the fact that the > Gulley family (and Gully, Gullyes, Golley) have been in Somerset since > time immemorial. The name is from Middle English golias 'a giant' > (obviously a nickname from the Biblical one), so predates the conquest but > the first known record was John and Thomas Gulias in the Assizes for > Somerset of 1202. > Regars, David > >

Thank you for your note. Ruth put Portsea as her place of birth on the census....still I recognize that this may be what she believed. I know subsequent family members adhered to the naming pattern. Valerie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra J Smith" <sandra.s@ntlworld.com> To: <eng-hampshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 6:07 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] Ruth GULLEY > Hi Ruth, > Please be very careful about using naming patterns - they are very much a > generalisation and varied from one part of the country to another. > Additionally, reliance on such a pattern may not take into account the > birth and infant death of intervening children. > Sandra > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gil Michaud" <gdmvnmim@comcast.net> > To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 1:59 AM > Subject: [ENG-HANTS] Ruth GULLEY > > >> Help please >> >> Ruth GULLEY, was born Portsea C1801. Ruth married my great great >> grandfather, William PITTARD, in Somerset. >> >> Ruth's first two daughters were Eliza and Charlotte. Relying on the >> naming pattern that seems to have been followed in my family at that >> time, I'm "assuming" that ELIZA was the name of Ruth's mother and >> Charlotte PITTARD was the name of William's mother. >> >> Again relying on the naming pattern William was the name of William >> PITTARD's father and Joseph GULLEY was the name of Ruth's father. >> >> Does anyone on the list know of a possible Joseph and Eliza GULLEY? >> Ruth's parents would probably have been born C1775. >> >> I know I am assuming a lot but I live in hopes! >> Valerie >> >> ............................................. >> Want to contact the local community? >> Please visit Hampshire Parish Jottings >> http://hants.parishjottings.org.uk >> ............................................. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-HAMPSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> _______________________________________ >> No viruses found in this incoming message >> Scanned by iolo AntiVirus 1.5.4.5 >> http://www.iolo.com >> > > > _______________________________________ > No viruses found in this outgoing message > Scanned by iolo AntiVirus 1.5.4.5 > http://www.iolo.com > > >