Dear List, Having found the baptism of my ancestor William SAUNDERS of Fordingbridge in Poole, Dorset in 1802 I am surprised to have been led back into Hampshire on the trail of his mother. William's parents were Edward SAUNDERS and Susannah WATERS who were married in Studland, Dorset in 1798. The SAUNDERS family go back to the late 1600s in that area but there is no trace of a Susannah WATERS in Dorset, indeed the name WATERS does not seem to feature at all in Dorset to any significant degree. Surely it can be no coincidence that a Susanna WATERS was born at exactly the right time (1778) in Fordingbridge, daughter of John WATERS and his wife Susannah ASTON who were married in Fordingbridge in 1763. There is no sign of a marriage of this Susannah WATERS in Hampshire so I am very hopeful that she is the one who married Edward SAUNDERS in Dorset in 1798 - although I have no idea why she might have ended up in Dorset. It would however explain why William SAUNDERS who was still in Poole in! 1823 (when his illegitimate son was born) was in Ellingham, Hampshire by 1825 when he married Elizabeth KENCHINGTON in Fordingbridge. Perhaps he had left Poole to stay with maternal relatives where no-one knew of his past? Further evidence is offered by the fact that John and Susannah WATERS also named two of their daughters Rachel, the second (replacing an earlier daughter who died) was baptised in 1785 in Fordingbridge and William SAUNDERS (her presumed nephew) named one of his own daughters Rachel - not a common name at that time - in 1846. The name Rachel seems to have entered the WATERS family via Susannah ASTON who I take to be a sister of the Rachel ASTON who married Francis COLLINS in Fordingbridge in 1763. It all seems to fit so well and I have unearthed no contrary evidence. I have found nothing on the origins of John WATERS or Susannah ASTON so I do not know if they were of Fordingbridge (or indeed Hampshire) but a John WATERS married an Amey SCOVELL in Fordingb! ridge in 1758 - perhaps Amey died in childbirth and John then married Susannah ASTON in 1763? Also, a John WATERS had two daughters baptised in Fordingbridge in 1753 and 1755 - perhaps they are the father and younger sisters of 'my' John WATERS who was born/baptised elsewhere before the family settled in Fordingbridge? Any information or comments would be most welcome. Thanks James Phillips-Evans

I may be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure that you need to order the certificate to find that out. I think you can order the certificate and ask specifically to have them only send it if the mother's name is Redman. Mandy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marie" <ancestral1@shaw.ca> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 3:05 PM Subject: [ENG-HANTS] Help needed > Please could SKS check the birth of Dorothy Cooper Smith, 1901 June Qtr, > Portsmouth. Ref: Vol 2b, Page 25. > > > > I need to know if her Mother's maiden name was Redman. > > > > Thank you > > > > Marie > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.7 - Release Date: 6/10/2005 > >

In the 1881 British census there is a Mansbridge family at *Kings Worthy, Hampshire: John (72) agricultural labourer, b.Micheldever, and his wife Phoebe, of Kingsworthy Lane; William (66), b.Kingsworthy, labourer, and his wife Elizabeth, and grandaughter Elizabeth Collis (Kingsworthy Street). There is also John (51), b. Micheldever, woodman, and his wife Henrietta, sons Arthur and Alfred, and Louisa Ball, servant (Duck Street Cottage, Micheldever). There is also Richard Collis (71), b.Micheldever, grocer and baker, and his wife Elizabeth (70), grocers’ shop, Micheldever. Could John, William and Elizabeth be family for Arthur Alexander Mansbridge, and was Arthur, grandson of John, named for his uncle in New South Wales? *Kings Worthy is about 18 miles and Micheldever about 21 miles from Southampton where Alexander was tried, and a further 15 miles to Portsmouth Harbour from which the “Captain Cook” sailed. Alexander Mansbridge: There was an Alexander Mansbridge on the convict transport “Captain Cook” (2), arrived 26th August, 1833 (103 704 907 x 635). He was Convict No. 33-1760; aged 19 years, single, Protestant, of Hampshire, England. He was a stableboy/gardener’s labourer (no previous convictions), and had been sentenced at the Southampton Quarter Sessions, 16 October, 1832, for stealing a coat; he was sentenced to seven years transportation. He was born c.1812 and able to read and write; height: 5ft. 3½ ins., complexion: ruddy and a little freckled; brown hair, blue eyes, with a tattoo “AM” on upper right arm. (Indent No. 158). *“Captain Cook” departed Portsmouth 5th May; arrived 26th August 1833 (113 days); 230 embarked; 226 landed; Captain William Thompson; Surgeon John Morgan. [Goulburn death registration above?] He received his Certificate of Freedom, 5th May 1841. If correctly linked to our Ann Clarke in 1850, he was a mail carrier at Keepit, NSW.

Please could SKS check the birth of Dorothy Cooper Smith, 1901 June Qtr, Portsmouth. Ref: Vol 2b, Page 25. I need to know if her Mother's maiden name was Redman. Thank you Marie

I have found my William YELF and his family on the 1851 census for Southampton but I am trying to find his parents Robert and Sophia whom I believe moved to Southampton from the IOW sometime in the early 1850's. Also trying to establish the whereabouts of Robert YELF and his wife Catherine WILLIAMS in 1871 they are in Southampton in 1881. Any help greatly appreciated, Carole.

Pamela, Was I wasting my time sending you all that information about John Groves? Henry Groves's father John died before Henry was born, and was raised by Jeremiah Jacobs his stepfather who was a bricklayer. As Henry didnt know his father personally it would be unlikely that he would follow his natural father's occupation, but followed his step-father's calling instead. I think John was a carpenter, but as he probably worked on boat building (very common on the Island) he might well have called himself a shipwright. As I said in my off-list emails, you will have to purchase a few certificates to verify the information, but having spent a number of years on the IOW Groves families, I think that what I sent you was correct Kind regards and happy hunting Sandra

on 9/6/05 10:21 am, pamelaj.groves at pamelaj.groves@ntlworld.com wrote: > My Husbands 2X Great Grandfather was John Groves he was a Shipwright. > His son James Henry Groves was married on May 5, 1878 to Elizabeth Catherine > Switzer. > They were married at The Parish Church, in Portsmouth Hampshire. > Both James and Elizabeth were living at Park Street, Portsea, Portsmouth at > the time of their marriage. > James Henry Groves put is age as 27 and a Bachelor. And Elizabeth Catherine > Switzer was 19 and a Spinster. > Elizabeth Switzers father was Henry Switzer a Seaman. > When most people get married and put their fathers Name and Occupation am I > correct that if both fathers were dead > the marriage certificate would usually say Deceased under their names? > When I received James Henry Groves marriage certificate I was quite shocked > that John Groves his father had a completely different Occupation than I > thought? James Henry Groves's father John Groves Occupation was a Shipwright > and not a Bricklayer like James Henry Groves. Hello Pamela. I don't know if this is your James Henry Groves but it's the closest I could get to a match. There were no James or James Henrys in 1861 that matched the details you gave . This one however is possible but is living with a step father. That may not rule him out as several of my ancestors gave their father's names on marriage certificates when the fathers had been dead for years. In the 1861 Census the Isle of Wight came under Hampshire 1861 Census Whippingham, Hampshire 21 Alfred Street Jeremiah Jacobs; Head; 45; b. Chale, Hants Mary A Jacobs; Wife; 38; b. Exmouth, Devon William Jacobs; Son; 17 or 19; Bricklayer; b. Newport, Hants Emily Jacobs; Dau; 13; Scholar; b. Newport, Hants Jeremiah Jacobs; Son; 9; Scholar; b. Newport, Hants Jane A Groves; Dau in Law; 14; Scholar; b. Cowes, Hants Henry Groves; Son in Law; 12; Scholar; b. Cowes, Hants Elizabeth Groves; Dau in Law; 8; Scholar; b. Cowes, Hants Eliza Groves; Dau in Law; 6; Scholar; b. Cowes, Hants There is a death of a John Groves on FreeBMD. Although he died in the June Quarter of 1854 Eliza (above) could still be his child. He could have died when Mary was pregnant and in the Census Eliza might have nearing her 7th Birthday Deaths Jun 1854 Groves  John    I of Wight  2b 307   ---------------------------------------------------------------- Here is Mary Ann's second marriage Marriages Dec 1858 Groves  Mary Ann    I.Wight  2b 884   JACOBS  Jeremiah    I.Wight  2b 884   ---------------------------------------------------------- I looked for John Groves Marriage and came up with this one but at the moment only his name is showing. If you try again in a week or two then you might find his bride Marriages Mar 1843 GROVES  John    Isle of Wight  8 339   Unfortunately the IGI doesn't have this marriage. Maybe now you have this information someone will be able to look John and his family up in the 1851 Census. With luck you'll find he was a shipwright. It looks as though James henry followed the trade of his step father. Good luck Dot Salisbury, Wilts

Hello My gt gt grandfather, William Alfred DYER was born in Lymington between 1830 and 1833, his father was Joseph DYER, a coachman. I would love to find him with his family on the 1841 or 1851 census, which would give me a clue as to his mother and siblings. I only have information from the time of his marriage to Mary Emma CHIVERTON in 1855 and I have him and his children on the 1861 census onwards. Does anyone have access to either of these census (1841 or 1851). I'm not sure if this is a difficult request as especially the 1841 census, it quite often isn't indexed. If it is at all possible, then I would be very grateful. Regards Ally (Derby)

Hello List, My Husbands 2X Great Grandfather was John Groves he was a Shipwright. His son James Henry Groves was married on May 5, 1878 to Elizabeth Catherine Switzer. They were married at The Parish Church, in Portsmouth Hampshire. Both James and Elizabeth were living at Park Street, Portsea, Portsmouth at the time of their marriage. James Henry Groves put is age as 27 and a Bachelor. And Elizabeth Catherine Switzer was 19 and a Spinster. Elizabeth Switzers father was Henry Switzer a Seaman. When most people get married and put their fathers Name and Occupation am I correct that if both fathers were dead the marriage certificate would usually say Deceased under their names? I know both the Groves and Switzers had relatives living on the Isle of Wight. As in the 1881 Census it states that James Henry Groves known as Henry was living in Whippingham, Isle of Wight with wife Elizabeth and their son James Henry Groves, and that James known as Henry was born in West Cowes between 1849 and 1850. Would someone elderly have changed occupation from Bricklayer to Shipwright? As I know that in the 1881 census their was a John Groves living at Simeon St Grove Cottage, Ryde, Isle of Wight Hampshire, England and whose Occupation was a Bricklayer. When I received James Henry Groves marriage certificate I was quite shocked that John Groves his father had a completely different Occupation than I thought? James Henry Groves's father John Groves Occupation was a Shipwright and not a Bricklayer like James Henry Groves. If anyone has seen any information about a John Groves a Shipwright in the Isle of Wight or Portsmouth, Hampshire I would appreciate some help Please. Thank you in advance for any information I might receive. Kind Regards Pamela J Groves

Hello, Listers I'd like make contact with anyone researching the family of Henry James BISHOP who was born in Sutton Montis, Somerset in 1864. The 1901 census shows him living in Portsmouth with his wife, Harriett and children Ernest, May, Edward and Leonard; all born in Portsmouth between about 1893 and 1899. Regards Tony

I THINK found the family on the 1861.Living in Portsmouth But it says parents born London Middlesex John Harford 40 Mary 38 MARY NOT ANN John 15 Bridget 12 Aanora age 8 born Southampton Mary 2 Felix (few weeks/months ?) _Annora Harford_ (javascript:go70d02915()) abt 1853 Southampton, Hampshire, England Lodger Portsmouth Hampshire (http://content.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=8767&iid=HAMRG9_636_638-0563&desc=Annora+Harford&pid= 7845699) _Bridget Harford_ (javascript:go70d02916()) abt 1849 Southampton, Hampshire, England Lodger Portsmouth Hampshire (http://content.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=8767&iid=HAMRG9_636_638-0563&desc=Bridget+Ha rford&pid=7845698) _Felix Harford_ (javascript:go70d02917()) abt 1860 Brighton, Sussex, England Lodger Portsmouth Hampshire (http://content.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=8767&iid=HAMRG9_636_638-0563&desc=Felix+Ha rford&pid=7845701) _John Harford_ (javascript:go70d02918()) abt 1821 London, Middlesex, England Lodger Portsmouth Hampshire (http://content.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=8767&iid=HAMRG9_636_638-0563&desc=John+Har ford&pid=7845695) _John Harford_ (javascript:go70d02919()) abt 1846 Brighton, Sussex, England Lodger Portsmouth Hampshire (http://content.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=8767&iid=HAMRG9_636_638-0563&desc=John+Harfo rd&pid=7845697) _Mary Harford_ (javascript:go70d02920()) abt 1823 London, Middlesex, England Lodger Portsmouth Hampshire (http://content.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=8767&iid=HAMRG9_636_638-0563&desc=Mary+Harfor d&pid=7845696) _Mary Harford_ (javascript:go70d02921()) abt 1858 Woolwich, Kent, England Lodger Portsmouth Hampshire (http://content.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=8767&iid=HAMRG9_636_638-0563&desc=Mary+Harford&pi d=7845700) 1871 spelt HARFFORD (BRIDGET Now married living with her family) _Ann Harfford_ (javascript:go523aa40()) abt 1827 Not Known, Leicestershire, England Wife Newport Hampshire (http://content.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=7619&iid=HAMRG10_1159_1162-0498&desc=Ann+Harfford&pid=4323 02) _Catherine Harfford_ (javascript:go523aa41()) abt 1870 Isle of Wight, Newport, Hampshire, England Daughter Newport Hampshire (http://content.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=7619&iid=HAMRG10_1159_1162-0499&desc= Catherine+Harfford&pid=432314) _Daniel Harfford_ (javascript:go523aa42()) abt 1866 Southampton, Hampshire, England Son Newport Hampshire (http://content.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=7619&iid=HAMRG10_1159_1162-04 98&desc=Daniel+Harfford&pid=432312) _Felix Harfford_ (javascript:go523aa43()) abt 1861 Brighton, Sussex, England Son Newport Hampshire (http://content.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=7619&iid=HAMRG10_1159_1162-0498 &desc=Felix+Harfford&pid=432310) _Honora Harfford_ (javascript:go523aa44()) abt 1853 Southampton, Hampshire, England Daughter Newport Hampshire (http://content.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=7619&iid=HAMRG10_1159_ 1162-0498&desc=Honora+Harfford&pid=432306) _John Harfford_ (javascript:go523aa45()) abt 1822 Ireland Head Newport Hampshire (http://content.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=7619&iid=HAMRG10_1159_1162-0498&desc=John+H arfford&pid=432300) _John Harfford_ (javascript:go523aa46()) abt 1847 Brighton, Sussex, England Son Newport Hampshire (http://content.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=7619&iid=HAMRG10_1159_1162-0498&desc=John+Harffo rd&pid=432304) _Mary Harfford_ (javascript:go523aa47()) abt 1859 Wdwich, Kent, England Daughter Newport Hampshire (http://content.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=7619&iid=HAMRG10_1159_1162-0498&desc=Mary+Harfford&p id=432308) _Bridget Jones_ (javascript:go523aa48()) abt 1870 Southampton, Hampshire, England Daughter Newport Hampshire (http://content.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=view &r=5538&dbid=7619&iid=HAMRG10_1159_1162-0499&desc=Bridget+Jones&pid=432316) _Patrick Jones_ (javascript:go523aa49()) abt 1867 Southampton, Hampshire, England Grandson Newport Hampshire (http://content.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=7619&iid=HAMRG10_1159_1162-0499&desc=Pat rick+Jones&pid=432318)

Can anybody find trace of a Honora HARFORD born 1852/53 in either Newport, Southampton or the Isle of Wight. Her father was John Harford from Galway and her Mother Ann Clark from Leicester. Many thanks in advance Susan

I be believe your family is among this group of people. I would be interested in learning what his profession is as I could not figure it out. I sent the image to offline. Cynthia Warn New York 1861 Census - Portsmouth Hampshire George Backester abt 1831 London, Middlesex, England Lodger Portsmouth Hampshire Mary Backester abt 1829 Birmingham Lodger Portsmouth Hampshire James Brown abt 1821 Portsmouth, Hampshire, England Lodger Portsmouth Hampshire Alfred Clayton abt 1833 Bristol Lodger Portsmouth Hampshire Elizabeth Clayton abt 1836 Oxfordshire, England Lodger Portsmouth Hampshire Eliza Dickens abt 1811 Ipswich, Suffolk, England Lodger Portsmouth Hampshire John Dickens abt 1811 Bilston, Staffordshire, England Lodger Portsmouth Hampshire Ann Eve abt 1827 Derbyshire, England Lodger Portsmouth Hampshire Catherine Eve abt 1861 Portsmouth, Hampshire, England Lodger Portsmouth Hampshire James Eve abt 1859 Tamworth, Warwickshire, England Lodger Portsmouth Hampshire Peter Eve abt 1857 Woolverhamton, Staffordshire, England Lodger Portsmouth Hampshire William Eve abt 1825 Harlow, Essex, England Lodger Portsmouth Hampshire George Gray abt 1838 London, Middlesex, England Lodger Portsmouth Hampshire Mary Gray abt 1837 London, Middlesex, England Lodger Portsmouth Hampshire Robert Greene abt 1811 Wimbledon, Surrey, England Lodger Portsmouth Hampshire Annora Harford abt 1853 Southampton, Hampshire, England Lodger Portsmouth Hampshire Bridget Harford abt 1849 Southampton, Hampshire, England Lodger Portsmouth Hampshire Felix Harford abt 1860 Brighton, Sussex, England Lodger Portsmouth Hampshire John Harford abt 1821 London, Middlesex, England Lodger Portsmouth Hampshire John Harford abt 1846 Brighton, Sussex, England Lodger Portsmouth Hampshire Mary Harford abt 1823 London, Middlesex, England Lodger Portsmouth Hampshire Mary Harford abt 1858 Woolwich, Kent, England Lodger Portsmouth Hampshire Diana Higatt abt 1836 London, England Wife Portsmouth Hampshire John Higatt abt 1835 Egham, Surrey, England Head Portsmouth Hampshire Sarah Higatt abt 1860 Oxfordshire, England Daughter Portsmouth Hampshire Eliza Hooper abt 1844 Highworth, Wiltshire, England Lodger Portsmouth Hampshire Henry Hooper abt 1841 Bristol, Somerset, England Lodger Portsmouth Hampshire Mary Linsey abt 1831 Waterford, Ireland Lodger Portsmouth Hampshire Elizabeth Mason abt 1834 Islington, Middlesex, England Lodger Portsmouth Hampshire Elizabeth Robins abt 1841 Lodger Portsmouth Hampshire George Robins abt 1836 Leicestershire, England Lodger Portsmouth Hampshire George Smith abt 1835 London, Middlesex, England Lodger Portsmouth Hampshire George Smith abt 1838 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Lodger Portsmouth Hampshire George Young abt 1841 London, Middlesex, England Lodger Portsmouth Hampshire Source information: RG9/638 Registration district: Portsea Island Sub-registration district: Portsmouth Town ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Folio: 61 Page: 56 Household schedule number: 315 GSU Number: 542675 -----Original Message----- From: Susan Bailey [mailto:susan.bailey1@ntlworld.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 2:37 PM To: ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-HANTS] Honora HARFORD/CLARKE Can anybody find trace of a Honora HARFORD born 1852/53 in either Newport, Southampton or the Isle of Wight. Her father was John Harford from Galway and her Mother Ann Clark from Leicester. Many thanks in advance Susan ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx

on 6/6/05 10:18 am, Chris & Caroline at chris@chayles.freeserve.co.uk wrote: > There was a GURD family living just outside of Fawley, Len GURD was a > friend of mine who worked with me with British Rail Parcels, he died > about 12 years ago so not sure if any of the family are still living in > the area. His name was pronounced with a hard "G". > Chris > Thanks for letting me know Chris Our family pronounce the name with a hard G as well which makes it even more surprising that some of the family's names changed from Gurd to Jurd and back again in the Censuses as they moved in and out of the South Stoneham / Botley area. Maybe the Census enumerator didn't have his ear trumpet with him! Dot

There was a GURD family living just outside of Fawley, Len GURD was a friend of mine who worked with me with British Rail Parcels, he died about 12 years ago so not sure if any of the family are still living in the area. His name was pronounced with a hard "G". Chris David DOWD wrote: > Dear Dot, > no, like Steve Davis I'm not connected with anyone interesting. Just > intrigues by rare names - though these turned out to be not so rare. > In view of the etymology and the Census taker's confusion, it looks as > thought the 'G' was soft. > Regards, David > > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.2 - Release Date: 04/06/2005

Dear Kerrie, I meant I only had the 1861 Census on CD, not the 1841. Fordingbridge district and subdistrict census (RG9/669 CD 6) Enumeration districts 1 to 4 and 7, 10, were badly written and poorly reproduced so I cannot be certain I did not miss any Whites. Enumeration districts 5 & 8 were legible but contained no Whites Enumeration district 9 (Godshill) WHITE, Ann, head, widow, proprietress houses?, born Alton WHITE, William, son, 38 servant, born Alton WHITE, Jane, dtr.-in-law, 32 dressmaker, born Breamore .................................. Woodgreen: WHITE, Isaac, head, 50 ag. lab., born Breamore WHITE, Hannah, wife, 46, born Woodgreen WHITE, Ellen, sister-in-law, 35 housekeeper, born Fordingbridge Enumeration district 11 (Rockbourne Street) Schedule 36 WHITE, William, head, 47 ag. lab., born Fordingbridge WHITE, Mary, wife, 42, born Rockbourne Schedule 58 WHITE, John, head, 42 carpenter WHITE, Mary Ann, wife, 45, born Fordingbridge WHITE, Mary Jane, dtr. , 10, scholar ................................. WHITE, George, head, 49, ag. lab., Fordingbridge WHITE, Jane, wife, 52, Damerham WHITE George, son, 19, ag. lab., Damerham WHITE, Henry, son, 10, ploughboy, Rockbourne Enumeration district 12 Schedule 17 Northend WHITE, Leonard, head, farmer & (?), Rockbourne WHITE, Jane, wife, cook Schedule 22 WHITE, John, head, 27, drayman?, Damerham WHITE, Mary, wife, 23, housework WHITE, William, son, 6, scholar WHITE, Edwin, son, 2 Schedule 40 Northend, Baptist Church WHITE, Elizabeth, head, 28 widow, householder (deleted & illegible added), Damerham WHITE, George, son, 8, scholar, Damerham WHITE, Amelia, dtr., 6, scholar, Damerham WHITE, Agnes, dtr., 4, scholar, Damerham WHITE, Henry, son, 2, Damerham WHITE, Thomas, (?, probably months or weeks) Schedule 44 WHITE, William A., nephew, b? (illegible), Bembridge, Isle of White Schedule 45 WHITE, Henry, head, 68, ag. lab., Damerham WHITE, Mary Ann, wife, 65, Damerham WHITE, Simeon, son, 18, herdsman?, Damerham Schedule 46 WHITE, John, head? (illegible), 49, sailor? (illegible), Damerham WHITE, Rachel, wife, 48, occ. illegible, Damerham WHITE, Ann, dtr. 190 scholar, Damerham ................................ Brickspass Cottage WHITE, Jane, head, 79, widow, independent, Damerham WHITE, Sarah, dtr., 36?, household servant, Damerham WHITE, Theadore, grandson, 16, farm servant, Damerham Enumeration district 13 Martin Schedule 53, West Martin WHITE, Josiah, head 36, born Martin WHITE, Harriet, wife, 34, Martin WHITE, Frank, son, 13 WHITE, Mary Jane, dtr., 12, Martin WHITE, Caroline, dtr. 9, Martin WHITE, Agnes, dtr. 6, Martin WHITE, Sarah Eliza, dtr. 4, Martin WHITE, James, son, 3, Martin WHITE, Geo (George?), son, ? WHITE, William, 'Smith' (error), 22, 'Smith' (probably error), Damerham Schedule 67 WHITE, John, head, 41, farmer, Martin WHITE, Elizabeth, wife, 41, Martin WHITE, Riachab, son, 19, Damerham WHITE, Augusta Louisa, dtr., 9, Martin WHITE, Harry, son, 5, Martin WHITE, Eva, dtr., 2, Martin Schedule 86 WHITE, Charles, head, 30, ag. lab., ? (Hants.) WHITE, Mary, wife, 31, Martin WHITE, Feliz (Felicia?) dtr., 8, Martin WHITE, William, son, 7, Martin WHITE, Julia, dtr., 5, Martin WHITE, Fanny, dtr. 3, Martin WHITE, Emma, dtr., 10 months? Schedule 100 WHITE, Eliza, head, 51, widow, charwoman, (looks like) Horsethorn Hawley WHITE, Cornelius, son, 12, ploughboy, ditto. If any of these are particularly interesting, I'm willing to spend more time deciphering them. I also took a gander at the historical commercial directories, with this result for Whites in Hampshire: Pigot's 1828: Hicks & WHITE, bankers, Ringwood Rogers & WHITE, coal merchants, Basingstoke and timber merchants, Odiham WHITE, Ann, cooper, Oyster St., Portsmouth WHITE, Charles, baker, Fareham WHITE, Edward, tailor & draper, Oyster St., Portsmouth WHITE, George, baker, Newtown, Portsea WHITE, Henry, dancing master, High Street, Newport, Isle of Wight WHITE, John, wheelwright, Ryde, Isle of Wight WHITE, Lazarus, victualler, 'Tumble-down Dick', Alton WHITE, Peter, currier, 27 Bucher Street, Portsea WHITE, Richard, surgeon, St. Thomas Street, Portsmouth WHITE, Thomas, baker, Alresford WHITE, Thomas, baker, Cheesehill Street, Winchester WHITE, Thomas 1773-1859, largest boatbuilder in Cowes, Isle of White (later called J. & R. WHITE) WHITE, Thomas, linen draper, Pyle street, Newport, Isle of Wight WHITE, Thomas, perfumier, 120 High Street, Gosport WHITE, T. & Co., ironfounders & millwrights, Orchard Street, Southampton WHITE, William, baker, Fordingbridge WHITE, William, baker, Halfway Houses, Portsea WHITE, William, boot & shoe maker, King-gate Street, Winchester WHITE, William, drawing master, 56 Union Street, Portsea WHITE, William, engraver, 26 Unicorn Street, Portsea WHITE, William, grocer, Newtown, Portsea WHITE, William, ironmonger, Cowes, Isle of Wight WHITE & Powers, fire office agents for Norwich Union, Homewell, Havant WHITE & Son, carpenters & builders, St. Thomas St., Portsmouth Slater's 1852, no Whites in Fordingbridge White's 1859: WHITE, Rev. Gilbert, MA, 1720-1793, wrote best-seller 'Natural History of Selborne' WHITE, Rev. James, MA, living at Woodlynch, Bonchurch, Isle of Wight WHITE, Richard, exiled Regius Professor of Douay at time of James I, Lived Basingstoke but under Fordingbridge is only: WHITE, Isaac, resident, Godshill, Fordingbridge Regards, David

Dear Dot, no, like Steve Davis I'm not connected with anyone interesting. Just intrigues by rare names - though these turned out to be not so rare. In view of the etymology and the Census taker's confusion, it looks as thought the 'G' was soft. Regards, David

Hi David Would you mind doing a look up for me on the 1841 census for JAMES WHITE and his parents THOMAS & MARY WHITE. I believe that Thomas was a postman and living in Fordingbridge or maybe be Minstead. James would have been about 15 on the 1841 census. I would also appreciate any other family members that appear on the census with his parents and any details would be more than greatfully accepted. Owing to the name White it has been very hardto get any trace on this family for me. Thank you very much for your time it is greatly apprecited. Regards Kerrie Myers Sydney Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "David DOWD" <david.dowd@tesco.net> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 8:00 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] 1851 Census for Hants > Dear Dot, > > The Gurd and Jurd families peacefully coexist at present in Botley, > Eastleigh, Shirley, and Southampton (and separately in innumerable other > Hampshire places, too). > > Jurd first appeared in Suffolk in 1275, as Jorde in Norfolk 1210, Jurde in > Huntingdonshire 1209 and Worcestershire 1275. Said to be a pet form of > Jordan, which became popular under the Normans (from at least 1200) whose > Crusaders brought home flasks of Jordan water to be used at baptisms. > > The best place to get Censuses on CD is Archive CD at > www.archivecdbooks.org/ (there are other sources but they're nowhere near > as good quality) - however I think the nearest at present for Hampshire is > the 1841 or 1861, which I have. Check Rod Neep's site for plans to > issue 1851 - I wouldn't bother buying it from elsewhere. > > Regards, David > > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

Hi Linda Thank you so much for your help. I will be over there next year so will sure to pay a visot to record office. Regards Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Braden" <l.braden@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 8:16 PM Subject: RE: [ENG-HANTS] 1851 Census for Hants >I recently used the index at the Hampshire records office in Winchester and > was impressed how easily I was able to locate my relatives, Unfortunately > I > live 3 hours drive from there or I would offer to look for you - maybe > someone else would be willing - mine were mistranscribed and still only > took > about ten minutes to locate. > Hopefully the 1851 census will soon be available online and make things a > lot easier for us all > Linda B > > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Day [mailto:steve_day@blueyonder.co.uk] > Sent: 05 June 2005 10:54 > To: ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [ENG-HANTS] 1851 Census for Hants > > Dot, > > You might want to start with the 1851 Census indexes produced by the Hants > FHS, http://www.hgs-online.org.uk/ > > To my knowledge currently nobody has produced Hants 1851 on CD several are > taking advanced orders but I'd wait and see who produces it first. > > Regards > > Steve Day > > -----Original Message----- > From: gulliver@gotadsl.co.uk [mailto:gulliver@gotadsl.co.uk] > Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 10:00 AM > To: ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ENG-HANTS] 1851 Census for Hants > > Hello everyone > > I'm new to this list but have been researching the GURD family for years. > The GURDs can be traced back to the early 1500s in Wiltshire, but at the > end > of the 18th century some strayed to Hampshire - mostly to the > Fordingbridge > area. We believe that the JURD families in and around South Stoneham are > connected. > > My reason for this message is the hope that someone can tell me where I > can > buy the 1851 Census for Hampshire. I'm not sure how this List regards > "advertising" of commercial companies, so if necessary could you please > contact me off List with the information. > > Many thanks > > Dot > in Salisbury, Wilts > > > > > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

on 5/6/05 10:53 am, Steve Day at steve_day@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: > Dot, > > You might want to start with the 1851 Census indexes produced by the Hants > FHS, http://www.hgs-online.org.uk/ > > To my knowledge currently nobody has produced Hants 1851 on CD several are > taking advanced orders but I'd wait and see who produces it first. > Thanks for your advice Steve I'll order and index then keep an look out for when the census appears Best wishes Dot