1851 Census H107 1552 page 781 5 Hawkins Street, St Dunstan Stepney, London Betsy WYATT, Head, married, age 29, Wife to Ship Joiner, born Eling, Hampshire Elizabeth WYATT, Cousin, age 1, born Eling, Hampshire 1851 Census H107 1552 page 786 19 Hawkins Street, St Dunstan Stepney, London George WYATT, age 34, Tailor, born Eling, Hampshire Ann WYATT, wife, age 30, born Oxted, Surrey Ann J. WYATT, dau, age 5, scholar, born Stepney George E. WYATT, son, age 3, born Stepney Linda Tasmania, Australia

Does SKS know if any headstones from this cemetery have been transcribed please? Still searching for my husband's Crassweller ancestors. Many thanks. Sandra.

Image sent off list Shan -------Original Message------- From: Jon Whiting Date: 06/12/05 12:10:09 To: ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-HANTS] Henry DENNIS and family, Hampshire, 1861 census I have found my peripatetic DENNIS ancestors were in Hampshire for the 1861 census. They were Henry Dennis (b.1821), Eliza (b.1826), William (b.1853), Thomas(b.1854), Eliza(b.1857) and Alfred(b.1860). They may have another child or two born before 1853. Could someone please send me details of the entry on the 1861 census, and, if possible, a copy of the image. Regards Jon ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429

I have found my peripatetic DENNIS ancestors were in Hampshire for the 1861 census. They were Henry Dennis (b.1821), Eliza (b.1826), William (b.1853), Thomas(b.1854), Eliza(b.1857) and Alfred(b.1860). They may have another child or two born before 1853. Could someone please send me details of the entry on the 1861 census, and, if possible, a copy of the image. Regards Jon

Dear Sandra, can't answer your immediate question, but just in case you didn't know: Crassweller, surname first found (as John Cressweller) in 1558 in 'Sussex Wills' published by the Sussex Records Society in 1935-41. Sometimes spelt with one 's'. It means 'man from Cresswell', but there are several of these (Carisbrooke [Isle of Wight], Derbyshire, Dyfed, Northumberland, Nottinghamshire, Pembroke, Staffordshire). Since there are innumerable Cresswells (families) in Sussex, there may have been a Cresswell (place) there that is no longer recorded. However, failing this, the vast majority of Cresswells (families) lived in Derbyshire in 1881. The place-name means what it says - 'spring where cress grows' and the one in Derbyshire was spelt Cressewella in 1176. The chairman of the committee who purchased the Lord Mayor's chain for Portsmouth City in 1859 was listed as G. Cressweller, esq., but the majority of the Portsmouth family spelt it Crassweller (and Councillor Charles Crassweller of 11 Lion Terrace, a short walk from Crasswell Street - was a borough magistrate the same year), Crasswell Street in Landport, Portsmouth, was known as Crassweller Street in 1855, no doubt named after the above. If the family money came from brewing, there was a Christopher John James Crassweller, brewer and maltster, owner of the 'Spain Brewery' in Petersfield in 1865 - only 10 miles NE of Portsmouth. By 1875 he had moved to The Square, Petersfield, and was also a baker and corn factor. I understand that the German Grossweiller was sometimes naturalized as Cressweller. Regards, David

If they have the most likely people to know may be the local family history society - it might be worth sending them an e -mail Linda -----Original Message----- From: Sandra [mailto:sfrd@iprimus.com.au] Sent: 12 June 2005 04:32 To: ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-HANTS] St Mary's - Hayling Does SKS know if any headstones from this cemetery have been transcribed please? Still searching for my husband's Crassweller ancestors. Many thanks. Sandra. ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&ta rgetid=5429

1851 Census H107 1552 page 751 1 Sydney Square, St Dunstan Stepney, London Joseph WEST, age 63, Landed Proprietor, born Twickenham, Middlesex Hannah WEST, wife, age 57, born Headley, Hampshire George WEST, son, unmarried, age 20, Customs House Agent Clerk, born Stepney 1851 Census H107 1552 page 752 7 Sydney Square, St Dunstan Stepney, London Jane JAMES, unmarried, age 20, Servant, born Portsmouth 1851 Census H107 1552 page 756 20 Sydney Square, St Dunstan Stepney, London John GOODING, age 28, Journeyman Rope Maker, born Mile End, Middlesex Grace GOODING, wife, age 25, born Portsea, Hampshire John W. GOODING, son, age 2, born Mile End, Middlesex Linda Tasmania, Australia

I am trying to locate a William Mills or Robinson born 1840 Hound. Parents James Mills and Ann Robinson. James and Ann married May 1843 Hound On the 1841 Census for Hound he is eight months old listed as William Robinson living with William Robinson 54 yrs Ann Robinson 19 ys James Mills 24 yrs 1851 Census listed as William Mills son 10 yrs with James Mills, Ann Mills, siblings, Ellen, George, James, Louisa. 1861 Census Hedge End listed as William Robinson son 21 yrs with above family plus Rose, Albert, Jessie. His occupation 1861 ag lab & milkman. Born Hound. He is not the William Mills in 1881 & 1891 living Hatch Bottom as I now have the marriage certificates for that William who married Harriett Reeves & Charlotte Duffield. (his father was John Mills). Thanks, Rose

Dear List, Further to my last message re John WATERS and Susannah ASTON md. Fordingbridge 1763 I have now found Susannah's baptism under a variant of the surname, i.e. AUSTIN. She was baptised in Fordingbridge in 1740 the daughter of Giles AUSTIN and his wife Mary ELRIDGE whom he married in 1728. They also had a son Giles in 1732. Giles senior was born in Fordingbridge in 1708, son of Ambrose AUSTIN who was born there in 1674 to another Ambrose AUSTIN. Ambrose senior was baptised in Fordingbridge in 1646, son of Thomas AUSTIN. I have not found the baptism of Mary ELRIDGE (presumably als. ALDRIDGE) nor have I found the marriages of Thomas, Ambrose senior or Ambrose junior so I would be geateful if anyone could shed some light on this family which has blessed me with some unusual first names for a change! Thanks. James Phillips-Evans

Greetings from Amsterdam. Seeking anyone with connections to any of the above familes in the area in the area just to the North of Winchester - villages such as Headbourne Worthy, Bullington, Wonston and Sutton Scotney - in the period from 1750-1850. Thanks in advance to anyone who can help. Happy to give more details if that would help Paul Howes

1851 Census H107 1552 page 686 26 Baker Street, Stepney, London Noah BUTLER, age 61, Cordwainer, born Alton, Hampshire Mary BUTLER, wife, age 59, born Stockton Church Samuel BUTLER, son, unmarried, age 20, Cordwainer, born St George the Martyr At the same address as above: 26 Baker Street, but separate entry: George BUTLER, age 35, Cordwainer, born Alton, Hampshire Elizabeth BUTLER, wife, age 30, born St George East Caroline BUTLER, dau, age 10, born Poplar Elizabeth BUTLER, dau, age 7, born St Pancras Mary BUTLER, dau, age 3, born Stepney Lue.ar (hard to read) BUTLER, son, age 1 (age however is written in the column for the females ages), born Stepney Linda Tasmania, Australia

1851 Census H107 1552 page 680 11 Baker Street, Stepney, London James ANDREWS, age 38, Beer Seller, born Portsmouth Mary ANDREWS, wife, age 37, born Shoreham, Kent William ANDREWS, Father, married, age 75, Retired, born London Susannah ANDREWS, wife, age 60, born Portsea George ANDREWS, son, unmarried, age 21, Salesman, born Stepney George ANDREWS, son, unmarried, age 18, Blacksmith, born Shoreham, Kent 1851 Census H107 1552 page 682 14 Baker Street, Stepney, London Charlotte HALL, unmarried, age 24, Dressmaker, born Hampshire 1851 Census H107 1552 page 685 23 Baker Street, Stepney, London Charles MITCHELL, age 66, Fishmonger, born Yeovil, Somerset Jane MITCHELL, wife, age 56, born Alton, Hampshire Charles MITCHELL, son, unmarried, age 22, Cigar Maker, born Alton, Hampshire Sarah MITCHELL, dau, unmarried, age 18, Collar Maker, born Alton, Hampshire At the same address: 23 Baker Street, but separate entry (thought they might be related): Thomas MITCHELL, age 26, Portrait Painter, born Bethnal Green, Middlesex Mary Ann MITCHELL, wife, age 22, born Silk Willoughby, Lincolnshire Catherine Jane MITCHELL, dau, age 1, born Stepney Linda Tasmania, Australia

1851 Census H107 1552 page 652 4 Gray Street West, Stepney, London Louisa LIDDELL, widow, age 53, Landed Proprietress, born Wallop, Hampshire Frances LIDDELL, dau, age 25, born Tynemouth, Northumberland 1851 Census H107 1552 page 671 2 South Side, Stepney, London Ernest HENMAN, age 35, Tailor, born St George East Harriot HENMAN, wife, age 38, born West Meon, Hampshire Edwin SIMMONS, stepson, age 14, born Marylebone William SIMMONS, stepson, age 11, born Marylebone Alfred SIMMONS, stepson, age 6, born Stepney Mary A. SIMMONS, stepdau, age 4, born Stepney Linda Tasmania, Australia

Hi Pamela, Your posting raises a lot of matters, which I'll try to respond to. 1) Information on certificates etc In official records the registrar, clerk or enumerator could only put down what people (the informants) told him. If, as perhaps in the case of the Groves/Switzer marriage, the happy couple didn't tell him that their fathers were dead (if they were) the registrar would have had no way of knowing this so would not enter "Deceased." In a small place the registrar might have personal knowledge and might be able to question some of the information given him, but in a relatively large town such as Portsmouth he couldn't know everybody and he would have had no way of verifying what the informants said. 2) Married in Portsmouth Park Street was not in Portsmouth proper. At the time (1878) Portsmouth (parish of St Thomas) and Portsea (parish of St Mary) were geographically separate, were separate ecclesiastical parishes and, to some extent, were still separate administratively. I would have expected the marriage to have taken place in St Mary, Portsea, or in one of its satellite churches - St Paul, All Saints - rather than in Portsmouth. In 1878 the registrars for marriages for the whole of the Portsmouth registration district were William Hatch & William Marshall. Hatch was also the clerk of the parish of St Mary, Portsea. He acted on occasion as a marriage witness. 3) Park Street The street is still in the same location, running east-west, a few blocks directly to the south of the Guildhall. It's shown in an 1856 map and, perhaps, in an 1835 one (small scale & hard to figure out), but not earlier. 4) From bricklayer to shipwright? Highly unlikely. In the 19th century the shipwright (SWT) trade was a skilled one, with a seven-year apprenticeship. SWTs were the key artisans hired by a shipbuilder to build a ship. I can't see an adult engaging himself as an apprentice. I find it hard to imagine that a man would state he was a shipwright if he wasn't. If as Sandra suggests he could have worked on boat building in the IOW or elsewhere I think he would have described himself as a boat builder. Today the term "shipwright" is used a lot more loosely and covers a variety of ship-related activities. 5) Groves at Cowes You indicate that James Henry Groves was born in West Cowes, IOW, ca 1850. For centuries Cowes has been the major shipbuilding centre on the Island: its only rival was Fishbourne, in the first half of the 19th century. Is it possible therefore that John Groves, shipwright, who presumably was born in the 1820s, trained and worked as a SWT in a Cowes yard - and perhaps moved to work in the Portsmouth Dockyard when private shipbuilding declined in mid century? 6) Shipwrights in mid 19th century By the middle of the 19th century SWTs were faring badly in Portsmouth - and everywhere else in Hampshire. At the end of the French Wars in 1815 the Royal Dockyard at Portsmouth was one of the largest industrial undertakings in the country. In 1835 about 6,000 men (civilian employees) worked there, mostly engaged in shipbuilding, and there were some 3,500 SWTs employed in the Yard in 1849. The vagaries of international affairs and consequent defence-budget constraints, together with the change from wooden sailing ships to steam-powered iron ones, resulted however in considerable fluctuations of staffing levels and there were massive layoffs of SWTs and other trades in 1868, 1887 and 1905. The layoffs had a devastating effect in Portsmouth as a whole, and particularly in Portsea where many of the Dockyard workers lived. The layoffs were particularly hard on SWTs since there were no large private yards in or close to Portsmouth Harbour hence no alternative employment in their trade. Assisted emigration to Canada was offered to them & their families in both 1869 and 1870, and possibly as many as 1,500 people sailed from Portsmouth in the troopships Crocodile and Serapis. 7) Groves in 1830 & 1878 In case it's of any interest, Pigot's 1830 Directory lists the following Groves in Portsmouth (none are listed in the IOW): - Henry Groves, soap manufacturer, East Street, Portsmouth (the street where many of my ancestors lived); - Henry Groves, butcher, 38 High Street, Portsmouth; - Peter Wm Groves, bricklayer, 6 Amelia Row, Southport (Portsea); - William Groves, butcher, 12 Charlotte Street, Southport. White's 1878 Directory has only one Groves in Portsmouth (I didn't check the IOW listings): - Edwin Groves, butcher, 17 Palmerston Road, Southsea; residence 77 St Thomas Street, Portsmouth. 8) Cholera If John Groves died just before his son was born (1849-50) he may have been the victim of the severe cholera epidemic of 1848-49. I hope some of the foregoing is of use. Cheers, Peter Gawn (Canada). ----- Original Message ----- From: "pamelaj.groves" <pamelaj.groves@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 2:21 AM Subject: DO ANYONE KNOW OF A JOHN GROVES OCCUPATION SHIPWRIGHT > Hello List, > My Husbands 2X Great Grandfather was John Groves he was a Shipwright. > His son James Henry Groves was married on May 5, 1878 to Elizabeth Catherine Switzer. > They were married at The Parish Church, in Portsmouth Hampshire. > Both James and Elizabeth were living at Park Street, Portsea, Portsmouth at the time of their marriage. > James Henry Groves put is age as 27 and a Bachelor. And Elizabeth Catherine Switzer was 19 and a Spinster. > Elizabeth Switzers father was Henry Switzer a Seaman. > When most people get married and put their fathers Name and Occupation am I correct that if both fathers were dead > the marriage certificate would usually say Deceased under their names? > I know both the Groves and Switzers had relatives living on the Isle of Wight. > As in the 1881 Census it states that James Henry Groves known as Henry was living in Whippingham, Isle of Wight with wife Elizabeth and their son James Henry Groves, and that James known as Henry was born in West Cowes between 1849 and 1850. > Would someone elderly have changed occupation from Bricklayer to Shipwright? > As I know that in the 1881 census their was a John Groves living at Simeon St Grove Cottage, Ryde, Isle of Wight Hampshire, England and whose Occupation was a Bricklayer. > When I received James Henry Groves marriage certificate I was quite shocked that John Groves his father had a completely different Occupation than I thought? James Henry Groves's father John Groves Occupation was a Shipwright and not a Bricklayer like James Henry Groves. > If anyone has seen any information about a John Groves a Shipwright in the Isle of Wight or Portsmouth, Hampshire I would appreciate some help Please. > Thank you in advance for any information I might receive. > Kind Regards > Pamela J Groves > > ______________________________

I'm new to the list & trying to trace the parents & family of:: Benjamin READ(E) born Milford abt 1789 - 1871 married Sarah ??? Christopher (Cornelius) LIEBERMANN born Germany abt 1774 - 1854 (Pennington) married (1808 Pennington) Mary WARE born Pennington 1790 - 1876 Any help would be much appreciated. Patricia

Hello James Just a quick comment about your Susannah Waters, that she might have moved from Fordingbridge to Studland either to obtain a job or by following the family for whom she worked. You do not give her employment, but it is likely that she might have worked for a family employing servants or others. In other words, she could have been an economic migrant. Colyn. ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Phillips-Evans" <Blorenge@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 6:41 PM Subject: [ENG-HANTS] WATERS and ASTON of Fordingbridge > Dear List, > > Having found the baptism of my ancestor William SAUNDERS of Fordingbridge in Poole, Dorset in 1802 I am surprised to have been led back into Hampshire on the trail of his mother. William's parents were Edward SAUNDERS and Susannah WATERS who were married in Studland, Dorset in 1798. The SAUNDERS family go back to the late 1600s in that area but there is no trace of a Susannah WATERS in Dorset, indeed the name WATERS does not seem to feature at all in Dorset to any significant degree. Surely it can be no coincidence that a Susanna WATERS was born at exactly the right time (1778) in Fordingbridge, daughter of John WATERS and his wife Susannah ASTON who were married in Fordingbridge in 1763. There is no sign of a marriage of this Susannah WATERS in Hampshire so I am very hopeful that she is the one who married Edward SAUNDERS in Dorset in 1798 - although I have no idea why she might have ended up in Dorset. It would however explain why William SAUNDERS who was still in Poole in! > 1823 (when his illegitimate son was born) was in Ellingham, Hampshire by 1825 when he married Elizabeth KENCHINGTON in Fordingbridge. Perhaps he had left Poole to stay with maternal relatives where no-one knew of his past? Further evidence is offered by the fact that John and Susannah WATERS also named two of their daughters Rachel, the second (replacing an earlier daughter who died) was baptised in 1785 in Fordingbridge and William SAUNDERS (her presumed nephew) named one of his own daughters Rachel - not a common name at that time - in 1846. The name Rachel seems to have entered the WATERS family via Susannah ASTON who I take to be a sister of the Rachel ASTON who married Francis COLLINS in Fordingbridge in 1763. It all seems to fit so well and I have unearthed no contrary evidence. I have found nothing on the origins of John WATERS or Susannah ASTON so I do not know if they were of Fordingbridge (or indeed Hampshire) but a John WATERS married an Amey SCOVELL in Fordingb! > ridge in 1758 - perhaps Amey died in childbirth and John then married > Susannah ASTON in 1763? Also, a John WATERS had two daughters baptised in Fordingbridge in 1753 and 1755 - perhaps they are the father and younger sisters of 'my' John WATERS who was born/baptised elsewhere before the family settled in Fordingbridge? Any information or comments would be most welcome. > > Thanks > > James Phillips-Evans > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Hi , I'm a new recruit to the Hampshire list. I am seeking information on the ARNOLD family from Alton. Does anyone have any information or advice on where I might be able to find the parents of William Arnold (Bn around 1778) who married Rebecca Warner in 1812. Other names of interest , also from the Alton area are WARNER POLLARD COOPER JACKSON POOK Any information would be gratefully received. Many Thanks Mike High Wycombe Bucks

Marie, I'm afraid no one can check this for you - you will have to purchase the certificate to see the details. Kind regards Sandra Marie wrote: >Please could SKS check the birth of Dorothy Cooper Smith, 1901 June Qtr, >Portsmouth. Ref: Vol 2b, Page 25. > > > >I need to know if her Mother's maiden name was Redman. > > > >Thank you > > > >Marie > > > > > > > > > >============================== >Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for >ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > > > >

Hello Sandra. I was very grateful for your help, but as I said in my email, I felt that Jane was Henry's mother, and for a long time until recently when I sent for James Henry Groves marriage certificate I found out that his father was a Shipwright and not a Bricklayer, and usually on all of my other certificates I have sent for which is about thirty now they put if the father or mother is deceased. So I naturally thought that John was still living at the time of James's marriage in 1878. I have been researching both my husbands and both of my parents family history for over ten years now. So please forgive me for asking other peoples advice on John Groves. Kind Regards Pamela ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra J Smith" <sandra.s@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 12:04 PM Subject: [ENG-HANTS] John Groves > Pamela, > Was I wasting my time sending you all that information about John Groves? > > Henry Groves's father John died before Henry was born, and was raised by > Jeremiah Jacobs his stepfather who was a bricklayer. As Henry didnt know > his father personally it would be unlikely that he would follow his > natural father's occupation, but followed his step-father's calling > instead. > > I think John was a carpenter, but as he probably worked on boat building > (very common on the Island) he might well have called himself a > shipwright. > > As I said in my off-list emails, you will have to purchase a few > certificates to verify the information, but having spent a number of years > on the IOW Groves families, I think that what I sent you was correct > Kind regards and happy hunting > Sandra > > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

Hello Dot, Thank you so very much, I think it maybe my James Henry Groves in the 1861 census. As when James Henry Groves married Elizabeth Switzer one of the witnesses to their marriage was a Eliza Groves. It is just that for so long now I have thought that James Henry Groves known as Henry was the son of John Groves and Jane ? her maiden name could have been Young. I think I will be sending for James Henry Groves birth certificate now. So a big thank you for your help, I will also see if someone I know could look up the 1851 census for me to see if there is a John Groves Shipwright. Kind Regards Pamela ----- Original Message ----- From: <gulliver@gotadsl.co.uk> To: <ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] DO ANYONE KNOW OF A JOHN GROVES > on 9/6/05 10:21 am, pamelaj.groves at pamelaj.groves@ntlworld.com wrote: >> My Husbands 2X Great Grandfather was John Groves he was a Shipwright. >> His son James Henry Groves was married on May 5, 1878 to Elizabeth >> Catherine >> Switzer. >> They were married at The Parish Church, in Portsmouth Hampshire. >> Both James and Elizabeth were living at Park Street, Portsea, Portsmouth >> at >> the time of their marriage. >> James Henry Groves put is age as 27 and a Bachelor. And Elizabeth >> Catherine >> Switzer was 19 and a Spinster. >> Elizabeth Switzers father was Henry Switzer a Seaman. >> When most people get married and put their fathers Name and Occupation am >> I >> correct that if both fathers were dead >> the marriage certificate would usually say Deceased under their names? > >> When I received James Henry Groves marriage certificate I was quite >> shocked >> that John Groves his father had a completely different Occupation than I >> thought? James Henry Groves's father John Groves Occupation was a >> Shipwright >> and not a Bricklayer like James Henry Groves. > > Hello Pamela. I don't know if this is your James Henry Groves but it's the > closest I could get to a match. There were no James or James Henrys in > 1861 > that matched the details you gave . This one however is possible but is > living with a step father. That may not rule him out as several of my > ancestors gave their father's names on marriage certificates when the > fathers had been dead for years. In the 1861 Census the Isle of Wight came > under Hampshire > > 1861 Census Whippingham, Hampshire > 21 Alfred Street > Jeremiah Jacobs; Head; 45; b. Chale, Hants > Mary A Jacobs; Wife; 38; b. Exmouth, Devon > William Jacobs; Son; 17 or 19; Bricklayer; b. Newport, Hants > Emily Jacobs; Dau; 13; Scholar; b. Newport, Hants > Jeremiah Jacobs; Son; 9; Scholar; b. Newport, Hants > Jane A Groves; Dau in Law; 14; Scholar; b. Cowes, Hants > Henry Groves; Son in Law; 12; Scholar; b. Cowes, Hants > Elizabeth Groves; Dau in Law; 8; Scholar; b. Cowes, Hants > Eliza Groves; Dau in Law; 6; Scholar; b. Cowes, Hants > > There is a death of a John Groves on FreeBMD. Although he died in the June > Quarter of 1854 Eliza (above) could still be his child. He could have died > when Mary was pregnant and in the Census Eliza might have nearing her 7th > Birthday > > Deaths Jun 1854 > Groves John I of Wight 2b 307 > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Here is Mary Ann's second marriage > > Marriages Dec 1858 > Groves Mary Ann I.Wight 2b 884 > JACOBS Jeremiah I.Wight 2b 884 > ---------------------------------------------------------- > I looked for John Groves Marriage and came up with this one but at the > moment only his name is showing. If you try again in a week or two then > you > might find his bride > > Marriages Mar 1843 > GROVES John Isle of Wight 8 339 > > Unfortunately the IGI doesn't have this marriage. > > Maybe now you have this information someone will be able to look John and > his family up in the 1851 Census. With luck you'll find he was a > shipwright. > It looks as though James henry followed the trade of his step father. > > Good luck > Dot > Salisbury, Wilts > > > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >