Hi Folks, Greetings from Toronto, Canada. William Norris ROPER (c1849 - 1896) married Letitia KEYNES in 1871. They lived in Spettisbury, Dorset, England; farmed in Milton Abbas, Dorset, England; lived in Chitterne All Saints, Wilts; and also in Stockbridge, Hants, England. William Norris and Letitia had issue: 1. William ROPER, born 1874 in Spettisbury, who married Emma and they had issue; 2. Mary ROPER, born 1876 in Spettisbury, died a spinster in 1960, aged 83; 3. George ROPER, born 1877 in Spettisbury; he had issue; 4. Robert ROPER, (1879 - 1963) born in Spettisbury, married and with issue; 5. Ada ROPER, (1880 - 1947) born in Spettisbury; married Robert Moon Middleton; lived in Farnham, Hants; they had issue; 6. Elizabeth ROPER, born 1882 in Milton Abbas, Dorset; 7. Eric ROPER, born c1883 in Milton Abbas, Dorset; he married and had issue. I am seeking to connect with any relation or researcher of this family and to exchange research notes. Best wishes. Peter.

Off on my hols so would like to unsubscribe for a while. Debra On 22 Jun 2005, at 18:43, Roger Phillips wrote: > Would SKS who has access to the 1841 Census, kindly do a lookup for > me. > I am seeking information on JAMES WELLOCK, wife Bridget, and family > members. James and Bridget were married in 1805 in Old Basing. Any > information provided will be most appreciated, and I thank you in > advance. > Regards, > Jane in Cal. > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > >

Hi Alice, I was able to pay and search 1837.com. I found via the Marriages search tool, the Marriage of James NEILL and Mary WILLIAMS - Oct, Nov, Dec 1852 2b 733 at Alverstoke. :D Both match with the same nos., will now purchase the Marriage Cert. Thanks for your assistance Alice! Best Wishes, Karen >From: Aliceclarke8@aol.com >Reply-To: ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com >To: ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] Searching for NEILL and WILLIAMS >Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 16:01:16 EDT >Yes they are searchable on 1837.com. There are various sets of army records >- chaplains', regimental etc. They say you can pay by credit/debit card or >by something called BT Click and pay (don't know about this). Even if you >don't have a credit card, look at the information about the site and if >needful >get somebody to put £5 (the minimum) on for you >You can also find army marriages in other places. I found one marriage in >my family in 1832 in a site called Malta Family History which I found by >trawling with a search engine. >Best wishes >Alice Clarke > > >============================== >Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > _________________________________________________________________ Dating? Try Lavalife – get 7 days FREE! Sign up NOW. http://lavalife9.ninemsn.com.au/clickthru/clickthru.act?context=an99&locale=en_AU&a=19180

Would SKS who has access to the 1841 Census, kindly do a lookup for me. I am seeking information on JAMES WELLOCK, wife Bridget, and family members. James and Bridget were married in 1805 in Old Basing. Any information provided will be most appreciated, and I thank you in advance. Regards, Jane in Cal.

Yes they are searchable on 1837.com. There are various sets of army records - chaplains', regimental etc. They say you can pay by credit/debit card or by something called BT Click and pay (don't know about this). Even if you don't have a credit card, look at the information about the site and if needful get somebody to put £5 (the minimum) on for you You can also find army marriages in other places. I found one marriage in my family in 1832 in a site called Malta Family History which I found by trawling with a search engine. Best wishes Alice Clarke

Hi Alice, Thanks for your reply. No I have not tried the Army Chaplain's records. Are they searchable on 1837online.com? Is that the website you are refering to? if so, I have not tried there, as I do not have a credit card to purchase credits to view. Regards, Karen. >From: Aliceclarke8@aol.com >Reply-To: ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com >To: ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] Searching for NEILL and WILLIAMS >Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 14:53:36 EDT > >Have you tried the Army Chaplains' records on 1837.com? They are by no >means >complete but I did find one family marriage there >Best wishes >Alice Clarke > > >============================== >Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > _________________________________________________________________ Sell your car for $9 on carpoint.com.au http://www.carpoint.com.au/sellyourcar

Many kind thanks for your help, Chris and Caroline Regards Mark ----- Original Message ----- > Hi Mark > Hope this is of some use to you, I think it is where the primary school is > situated. > Chris and Caroline > > > Micheldever > Hampshire > SU5139 > refce: Coates 1989 > old map: 25inch County Series map -- Hants XXXIII.6 > Southbrook > otherwise: Suthbrok, 1216-1272; Southbroke, 1586 > > refce: Coates 1989 > SOUTHBROOK, tithing of Micheldever > Middle English 'south of the brook', ie: Micheldever stream; opposite is > 'Northbrook' (1256 'Northbrok'). > Hampshire Gazetteer - JandMN: 2001 > ------------------------------ > > Almshouses (Site) > C.19 Rook Lane. Building demolished 1966. 3-storey and attic, brick > with old tile roof. Central rectangular chimney stack. T-shaped plan. > Stone tablet preserved showing the name as Southbrook House. Probably on > site of Wriothesley's House, C.16. Ref: History of Micheldever, 1924, > (Milner). > ------------------------------ > Lunæ, 22 die Februarii: Anno 11 Georgii IV ti Regis, 1830. > Petitions complaining of Agricultural Distress. > > A Petition of Inhabitants of the parish of Broughton; -of the parishes of > East Stratton and Micheldever;-of the parish of Burclere;-of the parish of > Longstock, in the county of Southampton;-and, of the Merchants, Traders > and other Inhabitants of the town of Bury Saint Edmund's,-were presented, > and read; setting forth, That the Petitioners beg to represent to the > House, that the agriculture and commerce of the country are labouring > under peculiar and unprecedented difficulties, which appear to increase so > rapidly, that the Petitioners look forward to the future with the most > anxious fears, apprehensive that some dreadful crisis may occur; they beg > to declare, that the pressure is not confined to one class only, but that > all the industrious classes alike suffer; commerce is embarrassed and > confidence destroyed, not in the integrity of men, but their ability to > fulfil their obligations; stagnation often prevails in the markets, and > sacrifices are daily made to meet existing engagements, while, at the same > time, the want of employment and the reduced wages of the labourer are > productive of grievous sufferings to them, and the poor-houses and gaols > are crowded to an unprecedented degree; and praying the House to take the > present alarming state of the Country into their most serious > consideration, and to adopt such measures as may be most conducive to the > revival of its former prosperity. > > And the said Petitions were ordered to lie upon the Table; and that the > last be printed. > http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.asp?compid=16179 > > > Mark wrote: > >> Hi List, >> >> On the English 1861/1871 census records for Micheldever, it mentions the >> tything of SOUTHBROOK. Could SKS please help me to find where it is and >> possibly the location of it on a map of that era or even modern day. Any >> help muchly appreciated. >> >> Regards >> >> Mark

Have you tried the Army Chaplains' records on 1837.com? They are by no means complete but I did find one family marriage there Best wishes Alice Clarke

Hi Listers I've just discovered on the 1881 census that an ancestor (George MAY) was working at Corhampton House as a farm bailiff. I realise this might be a tall order but I wondered if anyone familiar with the area could tell me if there was any way of working out which of the residents of Corhampton would have worked with George on the Corhampton House farm? The census - RG11/1237 Folio 5 Pages 3, 4 & 5 - lists 2 'cottages' next to Corhampton House housing the bailiff and the coachman, who obviously worked for Corhampton House. However, it's not obvious (to me anyway) which of the residents of the neighbouring dwellings (such as 'Corhampton Lane Cottages', other cottages in Corhampton, Stains Cottage and 'cottages in Corhampton Yard') who were ag labourers etc. would have worked for Corhampton House. Does anyone have any ideas. Also - does anyone know if Corhampton House still exists? Many thanks Lindsay Eaton Wellington New Zealand

Hi everyone!, I am requesting the assistance of some kind soul to help me with a look up of 1851 Census of Winchester. I have place this same message on Rootsweb Hampshire General board, no such luck with any answers, but I still have my fingers crossed! Name of Interest - Sgt James NEILL of 38th Staffordshire Regiment. He was born in Loughgall Ireland. He enlisted into the Regiment in 1847. His trade before enlistment was a Weaver. I am wondering if possibly James, after his enlistment, was stationed in the area 1847 to 1851. As Winchester was the Headquarters of the 38th Foot. James had a son born in 1853 in Brompton/Gillingham, Kent. James NEILL married a woman by the name of Mary WILLIAMS. Mary WILLIAMS was from Tincleton in Dorset. Born in Boadmayne, Dorset around 1826. She could have moved from Dorset for work elsewhere. As she is not listed on the 1851 Census of Tincleton, Dorset with the rest of her WILLIAMS family. Yet she is found on the 1841 Census of Tincleton, Dorset, aged then 15yrs with her WILLIAMS family. No luck with the finding James and Mary's marriage in Kent or in Dorset. Possibly they could have been married at the Barracks Church? Only the birth cert. of their son, James Williams NEILL, shows James and Mary were his parents, married, and living in Brompton, Kent. After this event of their son's birth, Sgt NEILL was shipped off to the Crimean War Sgt NEILL served in the Crimean War with the 38th Foot. Died at Scutari, Turkey in 1855. Medals Awarded, Distinguised Conduct Medal, British Crimean Medal with clasps for Alma, Inkermann and Sebastopol. Fingers are crossed one of you can help me..... Many Thanks, Karen Neill in Australia. _________________________________________________________________ SEEK: Over 80,000 jobs across all industries at Australia's #1 job site. http://ninemsn.seek.com.au?hotmail

Chris and Caroline Thanks anyway as I said to Kathryn, it looks like it is back to the drawing board !!! Cheers Jennifer In OZ

Kathryn Many thanks for the extra info ... it may well be that his father was indeed a labourer at Dummer Grange ... unfortunately I do not know for sure ... I have very little information on Thomas or Tom as he was known ..... I know that he married into my MORSE family pre 1914 (this is when the first of three children were born) ... his wife was born 1879....... I lose track of them until 1933 when the death of their youngest daughter occurs in Victoria Australia .... then the trail goes cold again!!! I have photos of him and his wife Beatrice and DOB for the children .... he is in uniform, and some time ago someone on one of the lists told me that it was a Yeoman's uniform, but unfortunately I was not able to confirm what unit he was attached to. I actually found a Tom Arthur COOPER on the 1881 also born Basingstoke aged 8 living with his father William J (incidentally Tom's son was William John) an Auctioneer/Valuer living Eastrop Hants ... wherever that is ? Looks like it is back to the drawing board ... need to find a marriage for him and Beatrice ... which I am guessing occurred after 1901 as she is listed on the 1901 with her mother and sister, but possibly before 1903, which is when her mother died and she did not rate a mention in the will!!! Again many thanks Cheers Jennifer In OZ

Hi List, On the English 1861/1871 census records for Micheldever, it mentions the tything of SOUTHBROOK. Could SKS please help me to find where it is and possibly the location of it on a map of that era or even modern day. Any help muchly appreciated. Regards Mark

Hi Jennifer, freeBMD has 2 possible marriages, 1902 to ?Beatrice HASE or 1901 to ?Beatrice KEMP Do either of these surnames ring a bell? Of course it's possible that either Thomas Cooper married one of the other women on the page. Kathryn -----Original Message----- From: Jennifer Burt [mailto:keelawee@hotkey.net.au] Sent: 19 June 2005 14:00 To: ENG-HAMPSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-HANTS] DUMMUR GRANGE - COOPER FAMILY Kathryn Many thanks for the extra info ... it may well be that his father was indeed a labourer at Dummer Grange ... unfortunately I do not know for sure ... I have very little information on Thomas or Tom as he was known ..... I know that he married into my MORSE family pre 1914 (this is when the first of three children were born) ... his wife was born 1879....... I lose track of them until 1933 when the death of their youngest daughter occurs in Victoria Australia .... then the trail goes cold again!!! I have photos of him and his wife Beatrice and DOB for the children .... he is in uniform, and some time ago someone on one of the lists told me that it was a Yeoman's uniform, but unfortunately I was not able to confirm what unit he was attached to. I actually found a Tom Arthur COOPER on the 1881 also born Basingstoke aged 8 living with his father William J (incidentally Tom's son was William John) an Auctioneer/Valuer living Eastrop Hants ... wherever that is ? Looks like it is back to the drawing board ... need to find a marriage for him and Beatrice ... which I am guessing occurred after 1901 as she is listed on the 1901 with her mother and sister, but possibly before 1903, which is when her mother died and she did not rate a mention in the will!!! Again many thanks Cheers Jennifer In OZ ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

1851 Census H107 1552 page 992 16 Holmes Street, Stepney, London John R. SQUIRRELL, age 32, Clerk Customs, born Harwich, Essex Maria SQUIRRELL, wife, age 32, born Harwich, Essex Marianne SQUIRRELL, dau, age 3, born Southampton Maria SQUIRRELL, dau, age 1, born Stepney Mary Ann NEWTON, Aunt, widow, age 68, Dependent, born Harwich, Essex Linda Tasmania, Australia

Hi Chris & Caroline, Been a while since we 'spoke' ... could well be, but need to establish a connection to the COOPER family ..... any suggestions? Cheers Jennifer In OZ

Hi Jennifer, Thanks for the hint he was known as Tom. I have found him on the 1891,with his Mum & Dad at The Grange Farm House, Dummer. 1891 census . Head, William John Cooper, 40 yrs, Farmer, Born Basingstoke Hants Wife Charlotte Cooper, 44 yrs Born Kineton Warwickshire. Son Tom Arthur Cooper, 18 yrs Unmarried, Occupation Farmers Son, Born Basingstoke.Hants. There are various Grange Cottages with Agricultural staff in them. Hope this helps. best wishes Jean.

Hi Mark Hope this is of some use to you, I think it is where the primary school is situated. Chris and Caroline Micheldever Hampshire SU5139 refce: Coates 1989 old map: 25inch County Series map -- Hants XXXIII.6 Southbrook otherwise: Suthbrok, 1216-1272; Southbroke, 1586 refce: Coates 1989 SOUTHBROOK, tithing of Micheldever Middle English 'south of the brook', ie: Micheldever stream; opposite is 'Northbrook' (1256 'Northbrok'). Hampshire Gazetteer - JandMN: 2001 ------------------------------ Almshouses (Site) C.19 Rook Lane. Building demolished 1966. 3-storey and attic, brick with old tile roof. Central rectangular chimney stack. T-shaped plan. Stone tablet preserved showing the name as Southbrook House. Probably on site of Wriothesley's House, C.16. Ref: History of Micheldever, 1924, (Milner). ------------------------------ Lunæ, 22 die Februarii: Anno 11 Georgii IV ti Regis, 1830. Petitions complaining of Agricultural Distress. A Petition of Inhabitants of the parish of Broughton; -of the parishes of East Stratton and Micheldever;-of the parish of Burclere;-of the parish of Longstock, in the county of Southampton;-and, of the Merchants, Traders and other Inhabitants of the town of Bury Saint Edmund's,-were presented, and read; setting forth, That the Petitioners beg to represent to the House, that the agriculture and commerce of the country are labouring under peculiar and unprecedented difficulties, which appear to increase so rapidly, that the Petitioners look forward to the future with the most anxious fears, apprehensive that some dreadful crisis may occur; they beg to declare, that the pressure is not confined to one class only, but that all the industrious classes alike suffer; commerce is embarrassed and confidence destroyed, not in the integrity of men, but their ability to fulfil their obligations; stagnation often prevails in the markets, and sacrifices are daily made to meet existing engagements, while, at the same time, the want of employment and the reduced wages of the labourer are productive of grievous sufferings to them, and the poor-houses and gaols are crowded to an unprecedented degree; and praying the House to take the present alarming state of the Country into their most serious consideration, and to adopt such measures as may be most conducive to the revival of its former prosperity. And the said Petitions were ordered to lie upon the Table; and that the last be printed. http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.asp?compid=16179 Mark wrote: > Hi List, > > On the English 1861/1871 census records for Micheldever, it mentions > the tything of SOUTHBROOK. Could SKS please help me to find where it > is and possibly the location of it on a map of that era or even modern > day. Any help muchly appreciated. > > Regards > > Mark > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.8/22 - Release Date: 17/06/2005

Could well be Alison ... what I need to find is a connection to the COOPER family !!! Any suggestions of where to look? Cheers Jennifer

-Hi Jennifer, A2A has details of 2 house sales for Dummer Grange but the name ADAMS is mentioned. You don't say when Thomas was born. The 1881 census gives a Thomas A COOPER aged 2, born Basingstoke, father a labourer. Dummer Grange was a large property. It maybe that the family worked there. Kathryn